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Posted: Friday June 23rd, 2006 07:34 |
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@Girlfromthenc........you really will not hear Igbo's try and claim anyone else, we know that people were taken from many countries, so to suggest that everyone is Ghanian or Nigerian is rather silly, however there are some places in the states where people are known to have come from Igbo ancestry and it is agknowledged, it has nothing to do with the way they look either.
Ever heard about the Igbo landing?
@Ayanfe, you were wrong for that, when have you ever heard the suggestion of the original poster come out of anyone's mouth? These are her own views.
Anyhoo the whole slavery thing, Nigeria does have some slavery monuments, why forget that it was our own people who were taken and mistreated, before they ever stepped foot on any boat taking them to America, they were not Americans they were Nigerians and their memory should be honored.
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Posted: Friday June 23rd, 2006 07:39 |
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@ Girlfrom NC........some general info.
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Ibo landings
"..On the surface, the story seems one of simple defiance, as Ibo men, women and children drowned themselves in front of their white captors..."
Suddenly the other implications of the Ibo Landings become quite clear:
- All African American people whose ancestry is traceable to the Georgia Coast "Ibo (Ebo) Landings" of slaves abducted from Igboland and Biafraland during the days of Slave Trade are part of the Igbo race and heritage
- All Caribbean people who were plucked from Igboland and Biafraland and sent there as slaves, and their present offspring are part of the Igbo race and heritage
- Any persons or groups of persons or people who have Igbo blood and genes in them in any part of the world, no matter under what circumstances they left Igboland / Biafraland, is Igbo and is therefore part and parcel of the Igbo race, Igbo heritage, and Igbo Nation.
The Igbo race has a homeland in Biafraland. But the Igbo race is also dispersed, established and entrenched in so many other countries today that it is more accurate to speak of a "Greater Igbo Nation."
While Nigeria marginalizes and threatens to snuff out and finish off Igbo / Biafrans in Igbo / Biafra natural homeland, it is quite clear that the Igbo / Biafran race is here to stay. This should be a source of consolation, hope, and inspiration for the determined struggle to carve Biafra out of Nigeria. This should constitute a lesson to Nigeria: Biafra is, Biafra shall be; Biafra lives. We will pay any price for our freedom.
________________________________________________ "Throughout Georgia's Sea Islands, there are several different "Ibo Landings." Although most of the stories originate from Dunbar Creek on St. Simons Island, just about every surrounding island has a little inlet that the locals call "Ibo Landing." This is less the result of historical confusion as much as it is an indication of how this story has been embraced and mythologized by African-Americans in this region.
This story is one of many versions of this popular legend. No one is quite sure who these Ibo (also spelled "Ebo" and "Igbo") captives were, where they came from, or if they committed suicide at all. Records from the period are sketchy concerning this incident. But it doesn't really matter whether the incident happened or not, for over time it became a myth that gave pride to thousands of Africans forced into slavery on the vast Sea Island plantations that once controlled the area.
On the surface, the story seems one of simple defiance, as Ibo men, women and children drowned themselves in front of their white captors. As the story spread throughout the islands, however, two popular myths emerged: that the Ibos walked on the water back to Africa, or they flew back. Either way, the metaphor of a cultural link between African-Americans and the Motherland is strong. The Ibo Landing story continues to be used today as an argument for cultural continuity, most notably in Julie Dash's 1991 film about the Gullah people, Daughters of the Dust.
If you're interested in learning more about Gullah culture and the Sea Islands, you may want to check out the following sites:
Georgia Sea Island Singers - For over 20 years, this unique group has toured the world sharing songs and stories set against the history and mystique of the Georgia Sea Islands.
Golden Isles Navigator - A very comprehensive site about the region and its people. Especially helpful if you're planning a trip.
Daughters of the Dust - From the Internet Movie Database. Learn about one of the few films to feature the Gullah people and their unique traditions."
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[size=2 family="SANSSERIF"]Site sanctification:
[size=2 family="SANSSERIF"]"...[size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"]We are now in the final phase of our goal - the peaceful actualization of the world power Biafra. Our African American brethren our now stepping forward, they are now ready to carry our fight to the White House, Congress and beyond. But before this phase is put in place, there is the matter of the sanctification of at least one "[size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"]Ibo Landing site[size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"]", - "Thoroughly research, locate and sanctify all “Ibo Landing� sites in the new world, so that the souls of our departed brethren may finally find peace". Umu Biafra, a site has been designated, there are plans being made for this most important ceremony towards the later part of this year. Please keep this in mind. It is important that we show up for this great occasion, for unless we stand by our brethren in the New world, why should they stand by us?...Ekwe Nche. April 2002
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Posted: Friday June 23rd, 2006 07:46 |
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@ Ayanfe........
Second Black Heritage Festival Holds in Lagos
The Second Black Heritage Festival will hold in Badagry, Lagos State, Nigeria from 23rd August to 1st Septemebr, 2002. The program of activities released by the Lagos State Waterfront and Tourism Development Corporation, the State agency organizing the festival, include among other events, a UNESCO-sponsored colloquium, cultural processions, guided tour of historic sites and monuments, courtesy visits on traditional rulers, an economic forum and a gala night.
Nigeria Airways is the designated official airline for the festival. The airline offers concessional fares to delegates for the festival on its flights from New York to Lagos and return on Tuesday, August 20 and Saturday, August 24, 2002. In addition, arrangements have been concluded for hotel reservations in four hotels in the Lagos area. These are Eko Le Meridien, Victoria Island; Federal Palace Hotel, Victoria Island; Whispering Palms, Badagry; and Eko Tourist Beach Resort, Akodo. Nigerian Missions abroad are prepared to assist delegates in procuring appropriate traveling visas.
The maiden edition of the festival which was held in Badagry from the 24th to 31st May, 2001 was a resounding success. Several delegates from the United States of America including African-American Majors attended last year's event. The festival is put together annually by the Lagos State government as its contribution towards supporting the Slave Route Projects of the United Nations Educational Scientific and Cultural Organisation (UNESCO). The major objective of the festival is to provide a formidable platform for blacks in diaspora to realize their burning desires and yearnings to re-unite with their lost heritage.
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Posted: Friday June 23rd, 2006 20:13 |
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| I really don't see the point to this thread at all. I'm sick of people thinking that beauty has to be approved by white males. I couldn't give a sweaty, mite infested testicle what white male though of me. I'm sick of everybody thinking that every African person is supposed to have one look. People are willing to see the differences of people within Europe, they need to start seeing the similar, but beautiful differences in Africans as well. Not all Africans look like a standard Idi Amin and Alek Wek.
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Posted: Monday June 26th, 2006 16:02 |
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ayanfe2006 wrote: @Girlfromthenc,
Hey Hun, We Nigerians are too proud to try to claim Afro-Americans as Nigerians. Notice that of all West African nations, only Nigeria has not honored slavery monuments or given free Visa for Diaspora blacks. And perhaps we never will.
When we are the dominant black nation, the largest black Nation in the history of the planet, 1 in 6 negroes are Nigerians, you will understand that minority black nations like Afro-Americans are not on our minds. You want some real challenge? Visit http://www.nairaland.com or http://www.nigeriavillagesquare.com/board and watch yourself get slaughtered by proud and educated Nigerians with your diatribe.
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You SHOULD be proud to be Nigerian, ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU ARE ONE! I have no argurement about that!
I simply asked the AUTHOR of this thread, to please give some kind of clarity to this wild asumption that AA's look like they do because of Igbos!
I also applaud Nigerians decision not to give visas to anybody in the world just because they happen to be nappyheaded. Nigeria is for Nigerians, ie ( people who want to be and are PROUD to be Nigerian). I have never seen Indians offer their Carribean descendents any can of amnesty and they left Indian far later. I've read articles of how the classist Indian people consider Carribean indians to be lower than they (ie simply refusing to let their family memebers marry them) because 1.) they are the descendants of slaves 2.) they are terrified that some of the Carribean Indians might have "Mixed" some of their blood with the locals (mainly Blacks of course) and therefore are not "pure" Indian..............so its good to see some Africans withold these kind of high standards.
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Posted: Monday June 26th, 2006 16:27 |
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chi wrote:
@ Girlfrom NC........some general info.
Ibo landings
"..On the surface, the story seems one of simple defiance, as Ibo men, women and children drowned themselves in front of their white captors..."
Suddenly the other implications of the Ibo Landings become quite clear:
- All African American people whose ancestry is traceable to the Georgia Coast "Ibo (Ebo) Landings" of slaves abducted from Igboland and Biafraland during the days of Slave Trade are part of the Igbo race and heritage
- All Caribbean people who were plucked from Igboland and Biafraland and sent there as slaves, and their present offspring are part of the Igbo race and heritage
- Any persons or groups of persons or people who have Igbo blood and genes in them in any part of the world, no matter under what circumstances they left Igboland / Biafraland, is Igbo and is therefore part and parcel of the Igbo race, Igbo heritage, and Igbo Nation.
The Igbo race has a homeland in Biafraland. But the Igbo race is also dispersed, established and entrenched in so many other countries today that it is more accurate to speak of a "Greater Igbo Nation."
While Nigeria marginalizes and threatens to snuff out and finish off Igbo / Biafrans in Igbo / Biafra natural homeland, it is quite clear that the Igbo / Biafran race is here to stay. This should be a source of consolation, hope, and inspiration for the determined struggle to carve Biafra out of Nigeria. This should constitute a lesson to Nigeria: Biafra is, Biafra shall be; Biafra lives. We will pay any price for our freedom.
________________________________________________ "Throughout Georgia's Sea Islands, there are several different "Ibo Landings." Although most of the stories originate from Dunbar Creek on St. Simons Island, just about every surrounding island has a little inlet that the locals call "Ibo Landing." This is less the result of historical confusion as much as it is an indication of how this story has been embraced and mythologized by African-Americans in this region.
This story is one of many versions of this popular legend. No one is quite sure who these Ibo (also spelled "Ebo" and "Igbo") captives were, where they came from, or if they committed suicide at all. Records from the period are sketchy concerning this incident. But it doesn't really matter whether the incident happened or not, for over time it became a myth that gave pride to thousands of Africans forced into slavery on the vast Sea Island plantations that once controlled the area.
On the surface, the story seems one of simple defiance, as Ibo men, women and children drowned themselves in front of their white captors. As the story spread throughout the islands, however, two popular myths emerged: that the Ibos walked on the water back to Africa, or they flew back. Either way, the metaphor of a cultural link between African-Americans and the Motherland is strong. The Ibo Landing story continues to be used today as an argument for cultural continuity, most notably in Julie Dash's 1991 film about the Gullah people, Daughters of the Dust.
If you're interested in learning more about Gullah culture and the Sea Islands, you may want to check out the following sites:
Georgia Sea Island Singers - For over 20 years, this unique group has toured the world sharing songs and stories set against the history and mystique of the Georgia Sea Islands.
Golden Isles Navigator - A very comprehensive site about the region and its people. Especially helpful if you're planning a trip.
Daughters of the Dust - From the Internet Movie Database. Learn about one of the few films to feature the Gullah people and their unique traditions."
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[size=2 family="SANSSERIF"]Site sanctification:
[size=2 family="SANSSERIF"]"...[size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"]We are now in the final phase of our goal - the peaceful actualization of the world power Biafra. Our African American brethren our now stepping forward, they are now ready to carry our fight to the White House, Congress and beyond. But before this phase is put in place, there is the matter of the sanctification of at least one "[size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"]Ibo Landing site[size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"]", - "Thoroughly research, locate and sanctify all “Ibo Landing� sites in the new world, so that the souls of our departed brethren may finally find peace". Umu Biafra, a site has been designated, there are plans being made for this most important ceremony towards the later part of this year. Please keep this in mind. It is important that we show up for this great occasion, for unless we stand by our brethren in the New world, why should they stand by us?...Ekwe Nche. April
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This article sounds like the man is trying to come up with some kind of REASONING for have Black Americans jump in on the so call "ibo races' side" in this Nigerian land dispute issue.
Anyway sounds like proganda if i've ever heard it!
Also, reason would have it that if the IBO tribe is a race, then quite naturally Black Americans are an ethnic group and there fore their OWN race!
More importantly not only does the author not show any dna evidence on Igbo ancestry (which was the article I was asking for) the author doesn't even provide footnotes or any other kind of sources to his article. Its like he's just writing his own opinions down selling them as facts!
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Posted: Monday June 26th, 2006 16:36 |
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ayanfe2006 wrote: @Girlfromthenc,
Hey Hun, We Nigerians are too proud to try to claim Afro-Americans as Nigerians. Notice that of all West African nations, only Nigeria has not honored slavery monuments or given free Visa for Diaspora blacks. And perhaps we never will.
Please list all these West African countries that have given free visa to Diasporan blacks please.. I am ignorant and want to learn. 
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Posted: Monday June 26th, 2006 17:57 |
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DSP wrote: ayanfe2006 wrote: @Girlfromthenc,
Hey Hun, We Nigerians are too proud to try to claim Afro-Americans as Nigerians. Notice that of all West African nations, only Nigeria has not honored slavery monuments or given free Visa for Diaspora blacks. And perhaps we never will.
Please list all these West African countries that have given free visa to Diasporan blacks please.. I am ignorant and want to learn.
I guess she's talking about Ghana.
***Rolls eyes***
What is so dishonourable about welcoming the children of our own people who were taken as slaves? A lot of diasoprans who go to Ghana do so because they want some sort of a connection with their ancestors. As long as they come to the country with respect for Ghanaian people and culture, I don't see what the problem is, so please can it with this Nigerians are prouder than other West Africans because they don't honour slaves.
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Posted: Monday June 26th, 2006 18:25 |
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Aryek wrote: I guess she's talking about Ghana.
***Rolls eyes***
What is so dishonourable about welcoming the children of our own people who were taken as slaves? A lot of diasoprans who go to Ghana do so because they want some sort of a connection with their ancestors. As long as they come to the country with respect for Ghanaian people and culture, I don't see what the problem is, so please can it with this Nigerians are prouder than other West Africans because they don't honour slaves.
You know, I was about to comment on that statement, but what I would have said probably would have sparked an African vs. African-American sling-out.
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Posted: Monday June 26th, 2006 21:08 |
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Please list all these West African countries that have given free visa to Diasporan blacks please.. I am ignorant and want to learn.
DSP, I think Gambia and Senegal does it too. Or it is relatively easy for say AA to get a visa...
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Posted: Monday June 26th, 2006 22:10 |
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Girl, we need more of you. We are the future of the black race thinking logically beyond our emotions. Currently I am battling socio-communists, who want to redefine Africa as one Union of Comunistic Brotherhood. We cannot even stand ourselves. I am pissed because Nigeria bankrupted her own banks, and sacrifised her own ties and trade to Western nations just so that some other African countries can be free from Apartheid and Wars. But time and time again these same countries come back to hate on Nigerians. These nations now trade with the self same Western nations that supported Apartheid and the wars, and these nations will harrass or kill any Nigerian that enters their country. Alot of people in Nigeria are aware of this, and I am not the first to say it on the internet.
All I want them to understand is I am first for Nigeria prosperity, and then West African prosperity, since we are already forming a federation already. If the rest of Africa can move at our pace, and leave their hates on West Africans aside, then they can be included. But it must be based on Capitalism. Not this communism/socialism nonsense that led African to where it is, a continent of people who cannot work for themselves except depend on Government.
girlfromthenc wrote: You SHOULD be proud to be Nigerian, ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU ARE ONE! I have no argurement about that!
I simply asked the AUTHOR of this thread, to please give some kind of clarity to this wild asumption that AA's look like they do because of Igbos!
I also applaud Nigerians decision not to give visas to anybody in the world just because they happen to be nappyheaded. Nigeria is for Nigerians, ie ( people who want to be and are PROUD to be Nigerian). I have never seen Indians offer their Carribean descendents any can of amnesty and they left Indian far later. I've read articles of how the classist Indian people consider Carribean indians to be lower than they (ie simply refusing to let their family memebers marry them) because 1.) they are the descendants of slaves 2.) they are terrified that some of the Carribean Indians might have "Mixed" some of their blood with the locals (mainly Blacks of course) and therefore are not "pure" Indian..............so its good to see some Africans withold these kind of high standards.
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Posted: Tuesday June 27th, 2006 16:22 |
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@ Girlfrom the NC.......does the NC stand for North Carolina?
I provided you with info, you are in the US and are in a better position to find out about the Igbo Landing than me (thats if you are genuinely interested). The people are still there, why not go and visit them and ask them yourself they are very much aware of their ancestry.
I must tell you though, I posted the info, not to "claim" anyone , but because I am very aware that many AA dont know about the Igbo landing, even though they really should, in fact it should be you telling us about it rather than the other way around, if I'm being honest.
I now see why,ayanfe responded to you in that way earlier, you somehow seem to think people want to AA's as some kind of coveted prize....thats not the case, we just respect our ancestral bonds thats all.
Its not about getting AA's "on side" either, I know the word "tribe" may conjure up certain images to you ....Igbo's are about 20 million strong, without counting those who were taken during slavery, thats the man described us as a nation.....we dont need to beg anyone to "join"
@ ayanfe.....your first suspicion seems to be correct actually, I think she things we want to claim AA's as some sort of jewel in the crown or something.
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Posted: Tuesday June 27th, 2006 23:19 |
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Shemsi en Tehuti wrote
You know, I was about to comment on that statement, but what I would have said probably would have sparked an African vs. African-American sling-out.
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Good replies from Aryek and Shemsi. I am getting tired of this ayanfe2006 man or woman. I seriously suspect this ayanfe2006 to be none other than Shabaka1 or many of the other aliases.
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Posted: Wednesday June 28th, 2006 14:07 |
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@VK, If you are firmly rooted in your views, it can withstand any challenge. To advocate shutting down different views is like fearing the weakness of your point of view. Man Up and allow your views to be challenged!! If your views are the right way to go, you will end up convincing people like me. I think we need to set up a debate on a new thread for debate, perhaps include the likes of GirlfromtheNC and Parris. No going personal or anything, just purely intellectual debate on the thread. We could perhaps start by debating the justification and limits of Pan-Africanism.
Vubundada_Kandaba wrote: Shemsi en Tehuti wrote
You know, I was about to comment on that statement, but what I would have said probably would have sparked an African vs. African-American sling-out.
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Good replies from Aryek and Shemsi. I am getting tired of this ayanfe2006 man or woman. I seriously suspect this ayanfe2006 to be none other than Shabaka1 or many of the other aliases.
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Posted: Wednesday June 28th, 2006 20:27 |
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Dark Prince wrote: DSP wrote:
Please list all these West African countries that have given free visa to Diasporan blacks please.. I am ignorant and want to learn.
DSP, I think Gambia and Senegal does it too. Or it is relatively easy for say AA to get a visa...
Havn't heard that before. Why Gambia and Senegal?
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Posted: Wednesday June 28th, 2006 21:00 |
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DSP wrote: Dark Prince wrote: DSP wrote:
Please list all these West African countries that have given free visa to Diasporan blacks please.. I am ignorant and want to learn.
DSP, I think Gambia and Senegal does it too. Or it is relatively easy for say AA to get a visa...
Havn't heard that before. Why Gambia and Senegal?
What do you mean by why ? MANY slaves were taken from there including one of the most Kunta Kinte. Goree island is where the slaves just to be kept.
Byt I am not sure about this. I am quire sure though it is easy for AA to get visas and citisenship. I mean the Roots festival is their honour  ...
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Kutu Kente was never an actual person. He was a Fictional character by author Alex haley, the same man that wrote another fictional story called "Queen" in which Halle Berry starred in.
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chi wrote: @ Girlfrom the NC.......does the NC stand for North Carolina?
I provided you with info, you are in the US and are in a better position to find out about the Igbo Landing than me (thats if you are genuinely interested). The people are still there, why not go and visit them and ask them yourself they are very much aware of their ancestry.
I must tell you though, I posted the info, not to "claim" anyone , but because I am very aware that many AA dont know about the Igbo landing, even though they really should, in fact it should be you telling us about it rather than the other way around, if I'm being honest.
I now see why,ayanfe responded to you in that way earlier, you somehow seem to think people want to AA's as some kind of coveted prize....thats not the case, we just respect our ancestral bonds thats all.
Its not about getting AA's "on side" either, I know the word "tribe" may conjure up certain images to you ....Igbo's are about 20 million strong, without counting those who were taken during slavery, thats the man described us as a nation.....we dont need to beg anyone to "join"
@ ayanfe.....your first suspicion seems to be correct actually, I think she things we want to claim AA's as some sort of jewel in the crown or something. __________________________ Well I feel like I should start by telling you that if you come to the US asking about an Igbo landing everyone will be wondering what the hell you are talking about! "Gullah" is what they call themselves or "Geechees" (which I've already told you but appearently you weren't listening") and they call their land "gullah island". So what would the piont of me posting more information about them if you can't even get the people's name right? Secondly I am not part of the Gullah ethnicity anymore than you're part of the Zulu tribe of South Africa!!!! Do you by chance go to South Africa or Somali or Kenya or anywhere else looking for "roots" with these people? I bet my life you don't......................and I don't either! Don't get me wrong I find their culture quite fasinating, however I don't feel apart of it. Lastly, I never intended to imply that Afro-Americans are some kind of treasure. By far most of us are not, but this guy just rubs me the wrong way. He reminds me of some oreos that are always going back hundeds of years and finding Cherokee ancestors or Irish grandfathers etc! He's just like these people. He's going back however far back that he has to to draw some connection to people who he really ISN'T truly connected to at all! An igbo is a person born to Igbo parents. Piont blank. Not anybody in the world with a nappy head. Not anybody that's darker than Halle Berry. Not anybody that's a minority. And not anybody that calls themselves Black. Igbos are people born from Igbo PARENTS. You are "Black", You are "African", does that alone make you an Igbo?
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girlfromthenc wrote: FYI:
Kutu Kente was never an actual person. He was a Fictional character by author Alex haley, the same man that wrote another fictional story called "Queen" in which Halle Berry starred in.
Funny that you say soo cause my cousing and I were about to go there and meet some of his (distant relatives). Alex Halyes relation to him is considered a myth. Kunta did exist as far as I know. But maybe you could back it up. It never nice being wrong
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