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Posted: Monday March 14th, 2005 19:15 |
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WHY...WHY....WHY..... do people claim Ghettos in the U.K...! WHY...!
The thing is though, is that most of the people that claim, ain't even ever seen a ghetto....! IT's a stupid thing that black brits love to claim, Especially the black youths, personnally, I have travvelled and seen ghettos in africa, jamaica and the carribean, and many many parts of america, so I know what i'm talking about....Ghetto ain't something where you reach the age of 14 and want to start claiming the word Ghetto cause your into the "THUG LIFE"..! GHETTO is extreme POVERTY...! It's not MTV BASE, It's not PRADA, it's not NICE CARS, Ghetto is something you want to strive away from....The carribean has ghettos, America has ghettos, Africa has ghettos.......These places don't have National health services, america might have a welfare system, but you have to work a number of hours each week to beable to claim it.................In ghettos, life is hard because the Economy won't support you to beable to live a descent life style, even if you have 6 children.....It's not just street crime and drugs....It's houseing and limitations....In the ghetto, there is no support, It's deprivation of a good life....
So where in the U.K is it this bad....? I'm open-minded and happy to reply to anybodys replies and views.
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Posted: Monday March 14th, 2005 19:39 |
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| Yeah man i hear it. Throughout chatrooms even, no matter where they're from, wether it's london, birmingham, or even f**kin leeds! They think it's a ghetto because of the people. How the hell does a convention consisting of tracksuit bottoms, addidas trainers, and and a pre-gold chain bought from a streetstore make them "gangsta" or a "soul-ja" yeah they're more like backyard rambos.
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Posted: Monday March 14th, 2005 19:54 |
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^^^ yeah I agree with you for real..
the black youths in the uk do not have a clue.. It only takes an adult to confront them before they get all sensitive. and be like arrgh arrgh am goin thru a ruff life, am ghetto am ghetto...
Lol they should do a documentary series and take a couple of london black youths to a proper ghetto and see if they will survive for one day.
Lol whats funny 3/4 of the A-list rappers dont even look int he ghetto. but alotta these dudes think they do.
I dont know how you can be in a 1st world country and outta everywhere, you choose to wanna be the resident of a ghetto.
It iant they fault tho. I think the government as spoon fed the people too much compare to other countries.
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Posted: Monday March 14th, 2005 19:55 |
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there aint no (more) ghettos in western europe.
maybe in romania, albania etc...
same with gangsters.
who really wants t be a gangster. u even find kids in europe who sell dope just for the image, not for survival.
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Posted: Monday March 14th, 2005 20:07 |
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Exactly.........These youths go to a rave and startin calling it GHETTO....! The other day I was watching one documentary on t.v and there was these 3 young black boys talking about how they could relate to 50CENT cause he was from the ghetto "like them" and these boys are from london...PLEASEEEEEEE!!!
People think that them rappers on T.V look ghetto, they don't look ghetto because people in the ghetto don't roll in $100,000 cars with the rims and blinging million dollar jewels....!
IN THE U.K....all they know is ghetto fabulous..!
I have american friends that come to the U.K and clearly say themselves that they don't see any ghetto over here, and I do show them what people call ghetto....!
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Posted: Monday March 14th, 2005 22:09 |
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Posted: Monday March 14th, 2005 22:18 |
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so whats in a ghetto
poverty
drugs & crime
murder
we have all those things in areas of the uk
therefore they are uk ghettos although not as harsh
I too have seen Nuff REAL ghettos
and even on the streets of kingston I could liken it to SOME things here
so I think your bein a lil harsh on that one geeza
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Posted: Monday March 14th, 2005 22:33 |
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hackney my negro ass!!.
what cuz a place is highly populated by blacks , who shoot them selves everynow and again. just to make the shov the iraq news of the major headlines off bbc news. Doesnt mean they are ghetto.
Actualy its a shame that threre is no place in this country that is highly populated by blacks and not considered a ghetto.
I know nuff brez from hackney who front like thugz on road and when its 6pm . they phone and screw at the mumz cuz they puddin aint ready. they man ass ziggins outhere trust.
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Posted: Monday March 14th, 2005 22:43 |
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black power u go to the ghetto in africa or the carribean or even the bronx and ask them if they want to swap ith the one ere and see how fast they will jump on the plain.
yeah there is poveryty in this country on the englih manz standard.. poverty to them is living in the council flat and not drinkin tea and not yammin biscuit everyday.
but real world poverty status aint none that ish down ere. s
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Posted: Monday March 14th, 2005 23:08 |
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| The word Ghetto is a European word that simply means, low income. Do you remember the Warsaw Ghettos during WWII? We as blacks just happened to take on this lable that was not originally meant for us. I repeat!! We just happened to take on this lable that was not meant for us!!
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Posted: Monday March 14th, 2005 23:10 |
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Black power u only stated,
poverty
drugs & crime
murder
Those 3 things are a known factor in almost every city around the world....There's nothing that harsh about areas in london that distinguishes it has a "GHETTO"
What about......don't even bother call the police if you got shot in hackney, cause you ain't going to beable to afford it.....share a 1 bedroom no air conditioned flat amongst 6 people cause the goverment won't give you no housing and PAY RENT FOR IT<<<<<<<only if your lucky.......Or you can live in a trailer<<<<<america, or wooden house with tin roof and outside toilet<<<<<<Carribean, or just a plain old tin shack the size of your bathroom<<<<<south africa........and you wanna say londons got ghetto...!
A Ghetto deprivation is opportunity, it's about getting an opportunity to do what you want in life.....IN Englands "SO CALLED GHETTOS" you can be born into it and become a lawyer, doctor, scientist, whateva you wanna be because the goverment will fund you, and thats also if you put the effort in and work hard.....In america, that opportunity isn't even there for people in the ghetto cause they can't afford it university, unless there sponsored......Thats why so many young black american people turn to the idea of being a rap star, because it's like the only way out and having a good life....and because they see rappers today who have done it and made it and they now see what they have, they feel more influenced to just become rapstars, because it also comes along with money, women, cars...and so on.......
It's like a trap thats designed the deprivate black youths, when you look at it in that sense....!
This is why it really bugs me when I don't see young black people in england taking advantage of the system that others around the world would kill for...!So many young black people in britain don't attend college or university, something that we can all easily acheive in britain to break the black stigma and not just be another statistic when we so easily and have the opportunity to break it.
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@Finest_G
first your point of
"you can be born into it and become a lawyer, doctor, scientist, whateva you wanna be because the goverment will fund you"
is not true.......................we have fees......................
@all
is Harlseden Ghetto?.....................Stonebridge park Ghetto........................Lea Bridge Rd Ghetto and Queensbridge Rd in Hackney.............gehtto
It has nothing to do with black areas.............no such thing?.............actually most of them are populated by majority eastern european and asians and little blacks.
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Posted: Tuesday March 15th, 2005 14:46 |
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Although many of the comments posted are valid in that the youth of today are too quick to affiliate themselves with ghetto life, those of you who say the UK doesn't have ghetto's obviously don't have your eyes and ears open.
My understanding of a ghetto is when life is impaired, below standard in all aspects. Education, Health, Housing and Crime. I live in HACKNEY and those who say Hackney is not a ghetto need to come down there. I will show you the side of Hackney that visitors don't see.
A third of incomes in Hackney are below £5000 a year, and two thirds below £10,000.
- Unemployment in Hackney runs at 3 times the rate nationally at 33%.
- Long term illness is the highest in London
- Two in five Hackney children live in households with no one in employment.
- They've shut down a number of schools in Hackney due to under-achievement and violence. (etc KINGSLAND, HACKNEY DOWNS)
According to the Index of Multiple Deprivation for 2000, Hackney's average ward ranks make it the second most deprived area in the country. All 23 old wards in Hackney (out of 8,414 in the whole country) are in the worst 10% nationally and 7 wards are in the worst 3%
There are many boroughs in London and many cities across the UK where people are living in poverty, Manchester, Leeds, Glasgow, Birmingham to name a few.
Furthermore, though the factors mentioned above can somewhat be used a checklist to define a ghetto. I also think that mind state is a serious issue and that's what many of these children in London and across the world are trapped in. There are ways and means of working yourself out of financial poverty, which would have a positive effect on your housing, health and educational situations but the problem is with the GHETTO MENTALITY of our young people.
TO CONCULDE.......................
Comparing the concrete jungles of inner city council estates with the slums of Kingston JA or the Johannesburg or other parts of the world is redundant because the wealth of the country is an indicator of how bad a ghetto is. The fact that we have an infrastructure, a National Health Service and the DSS and other social agencies that are supposed to assist people, but a large majority of UK peoples regardless of ethnicity, are still living in poverty is a testament to the fact that our GHETTO'S are just as real as anyone else's.
 TRY reading this book........an outstanding exploration of the reality of poverty and ghetto life in Britain.
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Posted: Tuesday March 15th, 2005 15:23 |
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I will buy the book..........seems like an interesting read.........and it's 20% off too!
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Posted: Tuesday March 15th, 2005 15:28 |
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| @SoFresh try buying it off Amazon that's where the discount is.
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Posted: Tuesday March 15th, 2005 19:27 |
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Ok fine, maybe there are ghettos in the uk. Thus i've lived here for two years coming from connecticut and these so-called ghettos in uk are a bunch of try-hards trying to make a big indication of the ghetto.
By this i mean talking about a group of guys in tracksuits sitting against a wall looking for trouble i'd say.
Now i've constantly been to new jersey, and you even get treated with more respect in these ghettos.
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Posted: Tuesday March 15th, 2005 20:04 |
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Amid the shouts of ghettology a book appeared out the mist.
Nice one MissNyomie.
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Posted: Tuesday March 15th, 2005 20:55 |
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khalil wrote: ^^^ yeah I agree with you for real..
the black youths in the uk do not have a clue.. It only takes an adult to confront them before they get all sensitive. and be like arrgh arrgh am goin thru a ruff life, am ghetto am ghetto...
Lol they should do a documentary series and take a couple of london black youths to a proper ghetto and see if they will survive for one day.
Lol whats funny 3/4 of the A-list rappers dont even look int he ghetto. but alotta these dudes think they do.
I dont know how you can be in a 1st world country and outta everywhere, you choose to wanna be the resident of a ghetto.
It iant they fault tho. I think the government as spoon fed the people too much compare to other countries. Yh dats really tru actually, come 2 fink of it da 1'z hu claim der ghetto dat really aint at all, der probably spoilt little brats but if dey was to get a taste of poverty den im sure dey wont want to seem bad nemore
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Posted: Tuesday March 15th, 2005 21:15 |
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There is a difference between absolute poverty and relative poverty.
In the UK nobody is starving, however, the gap between rich and poor, furthermore the gap between the average and the poor is extrememly high. It is this difference rather than the poverty itself which breeds the violence.
Also be aware that the UK has the highest rates of drug abuse and teen pregnancy in western Europe. The links between drugs and violent crime doesnt really need explaining.
There are no slums like in Sao Paulo or Mexico city, Peckham is not Soweto but to deny that crime and poverty exists is inexcusable.
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Posted: Tuesday March 15th, 2005 21:29 |
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NNNAAAAH Man
I dont care how any book wants to justify the uk as a ghetto, I aint buyin it..
I still believe it all comes down to spoon feeding...
cant compare the ghettoes of america to here. thats why u will get the most haggiest blacks up there. It is also the reason why they have the most succesful blacks as well. cuz theys no spoon feedin like ere over there. you are on yah own. so everybody is with that hustling spirit.
All them damon dash, p.diddy and jay-z been succesful in the rap buisness it jsut doesnt boil down to who they hook up with or the music they make. its the drive which as been constructed through poverty.
Thats why you never really see any so called ghetto uk dude. turnin out to be a succesfull moguls. cuz the government as spoon fed them so much..That they are now left in a comfort zone. Which as Murdered they drive to work hard.
I mean just look at channel U. these dueds want to makebeats on a playstation 2, shoot a camera phone video and want to be millionares. without working extra hard..lol..
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Posted: Tuesday March 15th, 2005 21:42 |
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Channel U and Puffy (an elite University grad) are not the standards you judge poverty by.
In America as in Britain, nobody is starving. There are no babies with bloated bellies and flies on their face... what there is, is RELATIVE poverty. Joe schmo who is living on welfare and has no job, sharing a flat with his crackhead blowjob giving to make a dime sister is living not one mile away from a guy on Wall street making 2 million a year. RELATIVE POVERTY.
It exists in the UK too. Look at the stats of drug use, the size of the shipments seized and the buglary and theft rates in the worst areas (like glasgow or sheffield) and you will see what I mean.
Look Ive seen what they call a ghetto in LA (have cousins there) and they have big fat houses, near everyone has a car... but they are dirt poor.
I live fairly well off and wouldnt be considered poor by any stretch of the imagination but I dont have a car... go figure.
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Posted: Tuesday March 15th, 2005 22:06 |
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true that@ dm
some of them ghettos in LA look like wisteria lane out of Desperate Housewives
I remember Ahmaad making a similar point in a different post
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Posted: Tuesday March 15th, 2005 22:13 |
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most of da brez in this country just shot cuz its cool to shot.not cuz they need it to survive.
secondly as for the puffy thing. Just used that as an example like jayz and dame and besides puffy dropped out on his way he didnt complete his degree. alotta people get that twisted. and how many graduated ere do u kno that have tha tbuisness minded spirit and drive like them.
My point was this anyway. we r too spoon fe din this country to be called ghetto. yeah theres crime and shootouts and what not. but that nnot what really justifies ghetto
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Posted: Wednesday March 16th, 2005 00:49 |
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MISSNYOMIE.........I appreciate your view, but have you actually seen other ghettos in some of the poorist countries across the world...! Hackney is deprived because of the people and there behaviour with the gang wannabe attitudes......In america, dosen't matter who you are or how you behave, you ain't getting sh*t.....!!!!!
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is not true.......................we have fees......................
WRONG SOOFRESH
We don't have to pay fees....We only pay the student loans back , and only when we earn a certain amount after we gain our degree, and it's also our choice weather we want the loan.......The fees only applies to those who can afford it.........! So in what does this appear has deprivation to you in a ghetto way.......It's pratically a FREE degree...! America dosen't even get close to that S*IT......America ain't no land of freedom..!
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Posted: Wednesday March 16th, 2005 01:07 |
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In England.....these "FAKE BADBOYS" run from the police who don't even carry guns........I was in america not so long ago, talking to these guys in one Ghetto area in the south, and i was telling them how the police in the U.K don't carry guns, so they were like..."Guys over there run from the police and they don't even carry guns" They were laughing at this.....Then they saying that in the states they only run because you can be killed by the police because they carry guns in the states, so they feel a real need to run because they face a real threat, if the police didn't carry guns they would just fight back, and believe, them "GHETTO PEOPLE" would fight back....they go through some tough S*it!
That's how fake the bad boy image is in the U.K......They only run because it looks cool and they can go back to there bredrins and say they took chase from 5,0....!
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Thats why you never really see any so called ghetto uk dude. turnin out to be a succesfull moguls. cuz the government a
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