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Posted: Wednesday September 8th, 2004 18:21 |
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I would like to extend my deepest condolensces to the family of Natasha Derby, who was murdered at a Bashment rave last Friday evening in Wycombe.
I didnt really know Tasha that well, I met her off this very website back in November 2000 and travelled up to Wycombe to meet her. People may consider this strange, maybe even bizarre. Looking back on it, its hard to believe even now.
Tasha had the most incredible singing voice, it would havehad to be heard to be appreciated. Having taken her number she told me she dabbled in singing, so I asked her to sing to me down the phone. My heart skipped a beat when I heard her sing "Say My Name" by Destiny's Child and I knew I had to meet this person. She had the voice of an angel. Infact I would say she had the voice of an angel and the eyes of a princess!
Things didn't work out between us, and me being the young foolish pig headed muppet that I occassionally was as a youngster (this was 4 years ago remember) I deleted the number when I realised that things werent going to develop between us. It probably turned into one of my biggest regrets. I had been going through a few issues in my life and I guess I met Tasha at the wrong time. What hurts now is that looking back I realised that she too had some issues too. Infact even though I only spent about 4 hours with her on a Sunday evening in November 2000, she told me extensively about some of the problems in her personal life. Infact it was weired because we both shared intimate secrets from our personal lives, which made it all the more bizarre that we were to go our seperate ways so soon after.
As I said I regret not taking the time to get to know her better because from the short time I knew her, it was obvious she was a very sweet person. I remember our 'date' very well because while in Wycombe there was a thunder storm and my precious Nike Umbrella turned inside out and broke. Tasha didnt laugh or mock me, instead she gave me her own so that I wouldnt get wet on the way back to North London. If only I was more mature then, I would have realised that this was someone you dont meet everyday. Instead I acted the fool and decided it wasnt worth the trouble if she werent 'letting off', as I called it back then.
I always thought I would hear about Tasha again one day, I used to tune into the Pop Idol shows to see if she finally got a big break. Never in my wildest dreams could I have expected to hear about in these circumstances. When I first heard that a young black girl had been shot in Wycombe, I remember saying to someone at the time "I used to know someone in Wycombe". Then more and more came out after she died, such as the fact she lived at the YMCA, which was where I actually met her. The bombshell which greeted me this lunchtime when I saw her face in the news was of utter devestation and shock. I couldn't believe that this young sweet talented individual had met such a miserable and horrible end.
Since me and Tasha went our seperate ways in early 2001 I had a long hard look at myself and semi-regained my christian faith. Im not here to preach, but I hope that if there is a God, then he is looking after Tasha because her voice and her sincerity was too immaculate for us mere mortals on earth.
Rest In Peace Tash
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Posted: Wednesday September 8th, 2004 18:34 |
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@heartbroken....very sorry to hear your story....it is a sad thing to care for someone and have them taken away in such a bissarre (spelling) way, I hope you pull through ok. It is truly tragic to know someone and realise you ain't gonna see them again.
My nephew was shot in the chest by his friend... whom he use to visit and take lunch to while he was in prison, and shortly after he came out he murdered him, just for laughing at another person's joke which he the friend did not find it funny.
Begging and pleading did not save him, some people are just evil and cold not worth your friendship....as they say you cannot befriend evil....evil is evil
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Posted: Wednesday September 8th, 2004 20:19 |
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IM SO SORRY! IT SEEMS YOU REALLY LIKED HER! MAY I JUST ASK YOU THIS. DO YOU THINK YOU LOVED HER?! WHEN I HEARD IT ON THE NEWS I THOUGHT " WHAT AN AWFUL THING TO DO" AND " WHAT AN AWFUL END TO SOMEONES LIFE". 
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Posted: Wednesday September 8th, 2004 21:15 |
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no no shanny, I wouldn't say I loved her or anything like that, I mean I barely knew the girl afterall. We only really spoke for a very short time, about a month before we met and then briefly after. I just regret the way things ended up between us because she was a nice person and probably didn't need my added tantrums in her already complicated life.
It just feels like such a waste...a talented young female with her life barely begun. I remember when I met her I told her she should pursue her dreams to be a singer. Its ironic because one of my good friends has recently just broken through and its so wonderful to see something back after so many years of trying. Hes a bit older than her and it just seems a pointless waste because she was taken away before she had the opportunity to express her talents.
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Posted: Wednesday September 8th, 2004 21:40 |
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Posted: Wednesday September 8th, 2004 22:15 |
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@Heartbroken, I am really sorry to hear about your loss and my thoughts are with you and Natasha's friends and family. Its always hard to know what to say when someone has a bereavement. I think its really important that you made this post and I have the utmost respect for you for taking the time to pay tribute to Natasha in this forum. I have been following the story in the media and i heard quotes from people saying this seems so tragic and senseless and what a genuinely nice person she was.
Forgive me if you think I am talking too much, but I don't think you should harbour guilt (not sure if that's the right word) about how you were toward Natasha during your brief friendship. I believe that people come in to your life at various times to show you things to help you to grow and learn things about yourself. Even though your paths crossed for such a short time she has obviously made a strong impact on you and you have said that she has made you face up to certain aspects of your personality and now you are thinking about your faith and spirituality. I think that is great and maybe you will positively impact others lives they way Natasha impacted yours.
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Posted: Thursday September 9th, 2004 00:45 |
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It is sad indeed.
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Posted: Thursday September 9th, 2004 20:02 |
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well wherever she is shes in a better place. This world is horrible and this country is a disgrace! If gun crime was a predominantly white problem then the govt would have tackled the problem years ago. Its been a disease eating away at our society for ages but everybody pretends it is not happening. Think back 18 months and you had the case of the two females murdered outside a hair salon in Aston by the Burger Bar Crew. It made front page news and caused outrage throughout Britain. Since then there has been numerous shootings and murders, so much so that in places like Nottingham (or should that be Shottingham?) it appears that civilisation has gone backwards to the law of the gun with an increase in vigilante judicial lawlessness. A middle aged couple were executed near the seaside resort of Skegness and now a young female has been murdered in a sleepy Tory Town like Wycombe. Whats going on? When will the govt wake up and do something about this problem?
I respect the work of groups like Trident because it was about time a taskforce was set up to tackle the issues. When I lived in North London I remember well the gun culture which was growing which has now expanded to almost every corner of the UK. I remember the string of shootings which renamed the area between Hackney and Tottenham as the 'murder mile'. Trident has done well to penetrate the black community and alienate those who use firearms to settle conflicts, but it is unrealistic to expect that because a few faces are now off the streets that the overiding culture has been eradicated. The only way for the gun culture to be challenged is by making it virtually impossible to risk being caught with one. 15 years without parole sounds about right. Sounds harsh? Well think about it. What purpose does anybody have for illegally carrying a firearm? Is it for everyday use in their line of work? A pastime? Or just to ruin or end lives?
A 15 year mandatory sentence for illegally possessing a firearm would be an adequate deterant against the menace that is gun crime. At the moment the courts simply pay lip service to current legislation which means that some people convicted of firearm offences receive little more than two or three years which for the severity of the offence is laughable!
The more and more that comes out about this tragic case the more and more it seems that Tasha was killed for no apparent reason. She had no known enemies and wasn't involved in criminal activities. It makes her passing all the more poignant and serves as a reminder to us all that gun crime doesn't necessarily involve 'people who had it coming'.
Anyone who was at the Multi-Racial Centre on the evening of the shooting or anyone who may have been near to the centre in the early hours of Saturday morning is urged to call DCI Taylor on 08458 505 505 or call Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555111.
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Posted: Friday September 10th, 2004 16:10 |
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agree about the change in perceptions, news coverage on this has been very brief. Saw a bit in the Sun and on a search in google only this came up
http://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/localnews/display.var.526270.0.0.php
seems as though everyone just treats it like just another day
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Posted: Friday September 10th, 2004 16:29 |
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| Heartbroken Wrote:"I remember the string of shootings which renamed the area between Hackney and Tottenham as the 'murder mile'. ".........I agree with all U say especially as Brixton/Camberwell/Peckham/Kennington in South London 1 Mile Radius is also known as "The Murder Mile"....15 years ?...Why Not?....For anybody....
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Posted: Friday September 10th, 2004 17:07 |
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I think I know what happpened
Judging by her physical appearance( very preety indeed) she must hav been dancing, man try to push up against her, she rejected him, he took exception to that, draw for the gun, the rest is history......
The reason i think this is because my friend told me of a siimilar incident in ministry where some man pushed a broken bottle into the face of a woman who wouldnt let him have a dance. f**ked up innit
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Posted: Friday September 10th, 2004 17:54 |
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how can someone get glassed in ministry? I have been smoove a few times and I been frisked more than at Heathrow Airport coming back from Dam...security is meant to be extra
If that was along the lines of what happened then thats poor. But not as poor as the fact that 150 people were there in the place but only 10 people have come forward.
And people wonder why gun crime is growing: because nobody is prepared to stand up to the bullies
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Posted: Friday September 10th, 2004 17:59 |
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| I am the police officer investigating the death of Natasha and would like to express my sympathy with Heartbroken and all those who knew and loved Natasha. It truly was a dreadful crime and a tragic waste of a young life. I agree with the comments about the lack of media coverage but have received a great deal of support from the 'local' media, Natasha's family and the community as we try to find those responsible for her death. If you know anything about her shooting please contact us - Natasha.help@thamesvalley.pnn.police.uk If you feel you can't contact the police then please ring crimestoppers on 0800 555111 - Thank you - Andy
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Posted: Friday September 10th, 2004 18:02 |
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Record Breaking Gunners wrote:
And people wonder why gun crime is growing: because nobody is prepared to stand up to the bullies
Sorry RBG: but I think you're being a bit harsh....lets get this into perspective these guys apparently sought this woman out, they came to High Wycombe to find her for godsake.. Dooes this samack of someone who would flich at finding the next person whereever they are and killing them too?
Its easy to be brave when its just you one to think about, but some people families to think about... So whilst I take your point entirely..please lets put this issue into its proper perspective..People need to have confidence that the police will act and that the CPS will get a conviction that ends up as life meaning life and not 5 years,...
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Posted: Friday September 10th, 2004 18:21 |
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kunjufu you make a fair point about the role of the police once someone comes forward. I think there is a great deal of apathy amongst the black community to put themselves on the line and speak up. People always think that the police will leave them open to retribution from the suspects or aquaintances of the suspect. I see a police officer has posted, it would be interesting to see what he has to say about this in particular because it is a valid issue which has been raised.
On the otherhand kunjufu I disagree with you on another point about her being 'sought out'. I think heartbroken said how there is no indication that Natasha 'had it coming' so to speak. Not all victims of gun crime have been involved in shady backgrounds and it is wrong to make any unfounded link based on stereotypes which are often played up in the media.
I also agree with Andy Taylors comments about the work of the local media, which has helped to raise awareness of the case. If they didn't bother with the story then I doubt few other people would know about it either because the google search didnt bring up too many results. Just another sign of relaxed attitudes to a cancer which is tearing our community apart.
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Posted: Friday September 10th, 2004 18:32 |
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RBG: you will that I have taken the liberty of reposting the police request in a more prominent place..because i think this is very important and I want as much anyone else for these b**tards to be caught and jailed..
I also want to make it very clear, that I'm not suggesting that Nastasha was involved in anything.. However ruling out a case of mistaken identity, or a jealous or possessive boyfriend or Ex..boyfriend for that matter.. What took place has all the hallmarks of a hit.. if that is true it does raise a number of unsavory possiblities...
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Posted: Friday September 10th, 2004 18:48 |
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| Both RBG and kunjufu raise valid concerns about the role of the police and the Criminal Justice system in supporting those brave enough to come forward, without wishing to become involved in the 'politics' of this discussion, as an investigator I am very aware of my responsibility to those people. I must make it clear that we are following a number of 'lines of enquiry' (please excuse the jargon) but we do not know why Natasha was killed, the answer to that question may help us identify her killer. We need the support of those at the 'Summer Jam' event in Wycombe to come forward and tell us what they saw, easier said than done I suspect, but that is where the answer lies. Thanks Andy.
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Posted: Friday September 10th, 2004 18:56 |
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I see you moved the post nice one
Im still not sure about your theory though kunjufu. Usually when someone gets murdered in this way, within a couple of days it usually becomes clear that somebody had upset someone else or that they were involved in drugs etc. I just read the article again and it says that she was working on the door but left to go to the dancefloor where she was killed. There is also a mention of security breaking down after midnight which would probably have allowed individual(s) to attain access to the venue with weapons. Finally there is also a reference to the fact that the venue was poorly lit which may even indicate the killer committed an act of random violence as it would have probably have been impossible to target someone in particular.
I think Cashmoney had an interesting theory which although not entirely plausable is logical given the information available. Unless of course anybody has heard something entirely different, which as kunjufu says, should be expressed through the relevant channels
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Posted: Friday September 10th, 2004 19:37 |
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most communities regardless of colour are weary esp when guns are involved.
its sad to read about this young girl whose life ended this way. but most shootings dont happen for no reason. its either mistaken identity or they meant to go after her. for reasons unknown to all
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Gun crime clear up rates in the Midlands are amongst the poorest in the country, with Nottinghamshire Police in particular reporting just a 24% chance of conviction. What is the result of this? More gun crime as the individuals simply deal with justice in their own warped scheme of logic. More deaths, more bloodshed and more misery. The message to the gunmen is clear: use a firearm because the risk of being brought to justice is far less.
The statistics reflect this as well, as an article in the Guardian recently demonstrated. Whereas ten or fifthteen years ago firearms were used predominantly in high level crimes such armed robberies and gangland style executions, they have now become a common feature of so-called low level crime as well such as burglary and small scale drug dealing.
The unwillingness of our community to address the problems by identifying and reporting known perpetrators of gun crime has resulted in our very existence being held to ransom by criminals. People simply opt for firearms as means of exercising crime because the evidence suggests that a code of silence will conceal their identity and protect them.
Its time to break the habit of a lifetime. Before theres nobody left to speak for us
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Posted: Sunday September 12th, 2004 10:16 |
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| I would just like to say to Natashas family and friends that I am sorry. My prayers are with you.
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Posted: Sunday September 12th, 2004 10:58 |
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One early morning whilst going to work two black guys were calling at me I meant hollering, then they started hurling abuse and calling me all sorts of name, people would have thought I knew them from somwhere.....  and even though I ignored them, even though people wer passing up and down,the two idiots came straight up in my face telling me what and what I must go and do with my mom.
I returned the favour about their mom and they did not take it too kindly one of them started pushing my face around and told me that if I were around his ends I would not live to see tomorow, he said I should consider myself lucky can you imagine the fright I felt,
I did not bother with work that day I watched where they were heading and alerted the police, and I went straight and pointed them out....my friends were angry at me for getting the police involved ,cus they were black men was I wrong to call police?? or I should just go on my merry way anyway it turned out that both of them were wanted men for crimes.
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Posted: Sunday September 12th, 2004 11:02 |
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Shellyanne: No you were NOT wrong in pointing these arseholes out, in fact you ought to be commended because maybe these idiots won't accost some other poor woman in the same way they did you. Well- done..
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Posted: Sunday September 12th, 2004 11:12 |
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Thank you Kunjufu...but it cost me some friends or maybe they were not real friends. They said they do not want anything to do with an informer, I felt gutted, cus they withdrew from me and gave me a proper cussing.
The perpetrators, were caught on CCV camera the evidence was there.
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| Shellyanne: they are NOT you're friends and you are well rid of these low life friends.. I can't imagine a friend of mine condoning never mind cussing me as the victim. Just because i bagged and tagged individuals who were not only disrespecting me but were threatening my life too.. No tell your friend to go f**k themselves and move on..
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