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Posted: Sunday March 18th, 2007 15:12 |
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“Black Children Speak out on Stop and Search�
Youth led presentation
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TIME:2PM –6PM
DATE: 7th April 2007
VENUE: The Base, 44-47 Offley Road, Brixton SW2
FOR INFO CALL 07940005907
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Posted: Monday March 19th, 2007 23:42 |
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This just fills me with pride. I love it when the black youth speaks out against "Stop and Search". After all, the Police are ALWAYS racist and NEVER have a good reason to stop and search an ethnic minority. Why should violent criminals who carry knives be in-convenienced by the Police? They should be free to carry weapons without fear of persucution.
I'm sure that it really benefits the black community when these gangsters play the race card and claim "victimisation". The black community needs MORE knives and MORE guns. We don't have enough murders and stabbings. That's why, instead of focusing on removing the cancerous, criminal scum who are steadily destroying our community, we should instead be focusing on blaming the "eternal enemy" - the police.
I wonder how many young black men would still be alive if the police had stopped-and-searched their would-be killers.
The blame game has been uttertly ineffective. It has protected the wrong people. If everyone is going to scream "racism!" everytime the police stop and search a brother, they had better be prepared for more of this:
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Posted: Tuesday March 20th, 2007 00:01 |
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Indeed has it been proved anywhere that stop and search reduces crime. So if the police stop a youth and take a knife off him.. and he goes to court is that really going to stop him getting another knife.. especially when he knows there are youths who will rob him..stab him. Stop and search is really addressing the problem is it? There aint enough police in the country for that unless you want to revert to martial law.
Did stop and search reduce the amount of knifings/ robbing/ and general shenanigans back in the 80s when black youth were getting stopped left right and centre. As a youth I used to end up in a cell about 6 times a year because "you fit the description" bollocks. So let nobody tell me that the police are not racist in the main. That black youth are not stereotyped by chracterisations about their character that go way way back than this 2007 history we are living now.
Oblivion wrote:
I'm sure that it really benefits the black community when these gangsters play the race card and claim "victimisation".
So now all black youth who complain of stop and search are gangsters are they. I suppose gangsters or wannabe's have time to go to meetings and protest about stop and search. That is really gangster style isnt it?
Think.. engage mental clutch..then type.
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Posted: Tuesday March 20th, 2007 00:57 |
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So now all black youth who complain of stop and search are gangsters are they. I suppose gangsters or wannabe's have time to go to meetings and protest about stop and search. That is really gangster style isnt it?
Think.. engage mental clutch..then type.
^^^ No, not all black youth who complain of "Stop and Search" are gangsters. Nobody has made that claim. What I am saying, is that by constantly focusing on the police rather than coming up with positive solutions, the community fails to take any responsibility for what is a happening.
That's what this is all about - responsibility.
Example: look at the endless claims by British Muslims of "victimisation" and "Islamaphobia". Protest after protest. And yet, I didn't see any Muslims protesting against the 7/7 attacks, the murder of Theo Van Gogh, or the placards in London that read "death to non-Muslims" and "behead those who insult Islam". In other words, hypocrisy is running rampant.
The self-proclaimed black leaders who go on about police racism and interference, are the very same ones who complain "where were the police, why didn't they do anything?" when yet another black kid gets killed. It's a catch 22 situation - the police are damned if they do, damned if they don't.
Back in the 70's when IRA terrorism was at its height, the police stopped and searched a shed load of Northern Irish people. Fair enough if you ask me. While most of the people they stopped were innocent, the 1 in 100 who proved to be the real deal, were prevented from carrying out their attacks/murders.
Nobody can expect the police to solve a socio-economic problem. But nor can we continue with this culture of blame. It simply has not worked.
The real enemy is not the police - it's the culture of violence that's becoming more reminiscent of 'Lord of the Flies' by the day.
A couple of ideas:
1) Instant 2 year jail term for carrying a knife - 5 years for a gun.
2) Massive media campaign to increase the number of black (male) primary and secondary school teachers ten-fold.
3) Massive police Stop and Search blitz on trouble hotpsots.
4) Increase the number of black police officers to represent 15% of metropolitan force.
5) Zero tolerance policy on drugs - even possession of 'Class C' drugs to be an imprisonable offence. Zero tolerance on graffitti and anti-social behaviour. The assets of drug dealers seized and re-distributed - making drug dealers effectively bankrupt.
^^^ They finally used the 'Zero tolerance' approach in New York from the late eighties (when things had become horrendous) and it has been an unpredented success. Looks like London is going in the same direction.
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Posted: Tuesday March 20th, 2007 01:32 |
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Oblivion wrote: So now all black youth who complain of stop and search are gangsters are they. I suppose gangsters or wannabe's have time to go to meetings and protest about stop and search. That is really gangster style isnt it?
Think.. engage mental clutch..then type.
^^^ No, not all black youth who complain of "Stop and Search" are gangsters. Nobody has made that claim. What I am saying, is that by constantly focusing on the police rather than coming up with positive solutions, the community fails to take any responsibility for what is a happening.
That's what this is all about - responsibility. Ok and who is responsible? Is the man or woman who brings up his child to the best of their ability responsible for the wankers who want to stab his/her child? Is the community responsible for the media influence (outside the home) and multimillion pound industry called Hollywood and music that re-enforces negative thinking?
Example: look at the endless claims by British Muslims of "victimisation" and "Islamaphobia". Protest after protest. And yet, I didn't see any Muslims protesting against the 7/7 attacks, the murder of Theo Van Gogh, or the placards in London that read "death to non-Muslims" and "behead those who insult Islam". In other words, hypocrisy is running rampant. And what can British muslims do about a young muslim who gets influenced by whoever to do that madness. Is it their responsibility when the wife and parents of said persons dont even have a clue what they are doing. If I am going to blow up a train Im hardly going to advertise my intentions. Poor analogy my friend. The self-proclaimed black leaders who go on about police racism and interference, are the very same ones who complain "where were the police, why didn't they do anything?" when yet another black kid gets killed. It's a catch 22 situation - the police are damned if they do, damned if they don't. You my friend have too much faith in the police. I come from a era where police were kicking out black people teeth.Happily. Ask anyone who has been to Battersea police station/ Union Grove... Stoke Newington etc..
Back in the 70's when IRA terrorism was at its height, the police stopped and searched a shed load of Northern Irish people. Fair enough if you ask me. While most of the people they stopped were innocent, the 1 in 100 who proved to be the real deal, were prevented from carrying out their attacks/murders. So you would justify victimisation of black youth for a 1 in 100 chance. Isnt that a waste of time and effort and literally "pissing in the wind".
Nobody can expect the police to solve a socio-economic problem. But nor can we continue with this culture of blame. It simply has not worked. Exactly. Ideally and realistically police are not there to solve social problems and neither to prevent crime at source. They deal with things as it happens. They cannot police minds.
The real enemy is not the police - it's the culture of violence that's becoming more reminiscent of 'Lord of the Flies' by the day.
A couple of ideas:
1) Instant 2 year jail term for carrying a knife - 5 years for a gun. Wiil do nothing to solve problem.
2) Massive media campaign to increase the number of black (male) primary and secondary school teachers ten-fold. Again admirable but black teachers work within a system. Far better to teach our own within our own rules.
3) Massive police Stop and Search blitz on trouble hotpsots. For how long. When the youth got shot in Clapham ( non African mind you) they blitzed the area for a few days. To what end? There aint enough money for that neither will martial lawing an area solve the problem. Ask the police in Jamaica where they have a shoot the criminal on site policy. All that happens is more spring up. Beacuse they are not addresssing the criminal factories that are there or the factories in the estates. Man I have discussed with white guys the problems of the streets and they even acknowledge that alot of these places just breed criminal soldiers. White and black. Increase the number of black police officers to represent 15% of metropolitan force. Again working within a system. Has the amount of black police officers/ mayors/ chief of police in the USA stopped police brutality or ensured that justice is meeted out. I think not.
5) Zero tolerance policy on drugs - even possession of 'Class C' drugs to be an imprisonable offence. Pure foolishness and victimation of a class of people. Do you know how much Doctors/ Engineers/ professionals smoke Ghanja. And since when was a Class C drug a danger to public safety. When is the last time you have heard of Ghanja dealers fighting it out on the streets and inducing people to drum houses/ rob and steal. Do weed smokers go out on a Friday night fighting and stabbing people? More likely to be down the local petrol station stocking up on munchies. Zero tolerance on graffitti and anti-social behaviour. The assets of drug dealers seized and re-distributed - making drug dealers effectively bankrupt. What has graffitti got to do with anything? Man you sound like a Blairite.
^^^ They finally used the 'Zero tolerance' approach in New York from the late eighties (when things had become horrendous) and it has been an unpredented success. Looks like London is going in the same direction. Yes and black men are in prison in unprecendented numbers. You see to sanction the state to deal with black men in a zero tolerance style only means that the corrupt justice system will bang up more black men for foolishness and let off their white counterparts. As it currently does and explains the high number of black men in prison in this country. Unless you subscribe to the theiory that black men are inherently more criminal minded than their counterparts on the estates of Nottingham./ Newcastle... Cardiff etc. I dont doubt your heart is in the right place but your solutions are the stuff of policticians soundbites. How about stopping the social engineering that weakens family structures.. actively encourages single mothers.. celebrity worship ..material goods and consummerism without the work ethic..which drives most of the crime in this country. The youths are not going on with badness beacuse they are hungry. Greed drives most of it..
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