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Posted: Friday February 9th, 2007 14:49 |
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Posted: Friday February 9th, 2007 18:47 |
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I haven't read the book but will trust you  I read the synopsis of the book from it's website http://www.whenweruled.com/articles.php?lng=en&pg=31 and it seems to be about African history on the continent. While I wholey endorse such a thing (and will look to buy for myself) and back you on this for the sake of it, I can't see it being included in the national curriculum of Great Britain for the reason of relevance. The reason they teach slavery here because here was the center of that and slavery had relevance. If as it is, as it appears to be a book on African continental civilisations then I see no reason a UK government would insert that into it's curriculum any more than it would a history of china or india for example. To be taught in UK history one would assume it would have relevance to the UK itself. So naturally that would start with colonisation, slavery etc.
Anyway... where is the petition? I checked out the links but don't see one
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Posted: Friday February 9th, 2007 19:15 |
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http://www.amazon.com/Capitalism-Slavery-Eric-Williams/dp/0807844888
Sis this is the kind of thing I'm talking about. This is what ALL UK citizens need to understand and know about slavery and the tremendous impact in had on the UK itself. Without it, no financing of industrial revolution, no massive city institutions which now keep Britain aloft... nothing. If this is about putting suggestions, I'll back yours but show me where and I'm adding this to the list too.
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Posted: Friday February 9th, 2007 19:26 |
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Htp Watcher,
Our case, if presented correctly, is of the upmost relevance. The links are to the department of education which are presently holding a review of the curriculum from 5th february to 30 April 2007. If we as a collective put forwared a proposal, it will be taken into consideration. I will try and contact the author so he himself can tell you how this book is structured and how it will be beneficial to our youths and yes counter some of the "slavery" rhetoric.
We have an ideal opportunity to TRY to change things. At present there is no petition .. am trying to muster support and people with certain skills/talents who are willing and able to contribute .... we can only try.... as a collective, it can be done ..
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Posted: Friday February 9th, 2007 21:48 |
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Sekhmet, I think this is a grand idea, we do have an oppourtunity to make some form of a difference to how Slavery is taught to our children. Maybe it's worthwhile contacting the MP who has also collated MP signatures for the same book to be taught in schools - Dawn Butler.
I'd love to help out any way that I can, perhaps I can liase with those in my field of work youth justice, rally the troops.
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Posted: Friday February 9th, 2007 22:46 |
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Htp
@ Watcher - I hear you, but one will open the door to all others  . We are working against a time limit .....
@BlessingsfromGod - Thank you sis offering your services  . I have asked Kunjufu and LadyDay (if she would be so kind ) to co-ordinate, so please liaise with them. Dawn Butler does seem to be rather elusive, between the "collective" that is one aspect that needs to be look into, but time is of the essence, so whoever has got something to offer ..... bring it to the table
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Posted: Friday February 9th, 2007 22:54 |
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The Watcher wrote: http://www.amazon.com/Capitalism-Slavery-Eric-Williams/dp/0807844888
Sis this is the kind of thing I'm talking about. This is what ALL UK citizens need to understand and know about slavery and the tremendous impact in had on the UK itself. Without it, no financing of industrial revolution, no massive city institutions which now keep Britain aloft... nothing. If this is about putting suggestions, I'll back yours but show me where and I'm adding this to the list too.
Thanks for bringing this one to our attention.
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Posted: Friday February 9th, 2007 23:07 |
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| Forum...can i suggest a steering committe of all those interested in moving this forward....two to three people willing to co ordinate this process.... (unfortunately as i have just advised sekhmet..for very personal reasons I'm unable to put the time in..however i will support when and where i can.....anybody willing to be part of the steeering group for this idea..
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Posted: Friday February 9th, 2007 23:43 |
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For anyone who thinks that this book cannot get into schools, first we must try for the sakes of those currently being miseducated. If you think it has no relevance then you must understand what it is to stand in front of a room of a hundred or so youths who look like us, ask them to say three great things about African history without mentioning slavery or civil rights and then look at the blank stares. As far as I know there has always been space in the curriculum for African history but we have never gotten up to make sure that it gets in and it is puhed to the side so that we can all learn about Henry the VIII for four years running. Whether or not it is relevant to history of slavery, it is relevant to Africans understanding ourselves as more than just slaves to history and so we must allow this to be taught in schools. It is high time we all stop complaining about this not being taught in schools on chat forums and stop being keyboard warriors. We need to start trying to make sure that we are all educated at least to some degree about African history before we imprint in our minds a percieved shame at being "slaves" that the education system will instill in our youth otherwise.
The only way that we can get them to start implimenting books into the curriculum like the one you mention Watcher (which looks excellent by the way so thanks for the recommendation) is by making sure that a book like Robin Walkers becomes commonplace in schools, then there can be no opposition to the facts but as things stand, in a school system where it is told that Africans have no history before slavery, it would be difficult to even get Mr William's book into schools. I also think it is more important that Africans learn that there is nothing to be ashamed about being called African (and believe continental Africans have it rough in school) and i think giving them some pride in their history is a step in the right direction.
This is my stand point so I will be watching this forum carefully for anyone who dares to say there is no organisation in our community so that I can remind them that here is a chance to be a part of creating it. As has been said by Sekhmet, there is a window of opportunity that we need to utilise here. Where we would usually have great difficulty getting this done, this is a chance to get it done properly and actually witness a result. Everybody needs to lend support in any way they possible can and i am going to be one of those people who do.
I hope I do not stand alone with this sentiment.
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Posted: Saturday February 10th, 2007 01:00 |
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I am willing to help in any way I can to make it happen.
Asante sana for highlighting this.
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Posted: Saturday February 10th, 2007 01:08 |
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http://www.petitiononline.com/create_petition.html
http://gopetition.com/create.php
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Posted: Saturday February 10th, 2007 10:10 |
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Robin Walker himself has quite clearly stated on at least three separate radio interviews that I have heard that his book "When We Ruled" is not intended for children, but for parents.
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Posted: Saturday February 10th, 2007 10:45 |
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blessingfromgod wrote Friday February 9th, 2007 21:48: "... Maybe it's worthwhile contacting the MP who has also collated MP signatures for the same book to be taught in schools - Dawn Butler ..."
Many of us here will not be aware of this - could you elaborate?
Is this what you are talking about?
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Posted: Saturday February 10th, 2007 13:05 |
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MarcusGarveyLives wrote: blessingfromgod wrote Friday February 9th, 2007 21:48: "... Maybe it's worthwhile contacting the MP who has also collated MP signatures for the same book to be taught in schools - Dawn Butler ..."
Many of us here will not be aware of this - could you elaborate?
Is this what you are talking about?
Yes MGL, I was looking for the link that you once provided to the signatures. Elaborate, well, as I read from your link, the MP has also been pushing for this book to be taught in schools - last I checked she had a considerable amout of MP sigs. That is all I know. Do you know more?
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Posted: Saturday February 10th, 2007 13:15 |
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I am not aware that Dawn Butler MP has done anything at all. Please inform us precisely what you are referring to so that it can be properly investigated.
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Posted: Saturday February 10th, 2007 13:54 |
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MarcusGarveyLives wrote: I am not aware that Dawn Butler MP has done anything at all. Please inform us precisely what you are referring to so that it can be properly investigated.
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Posted: Saturday February 10th, 2007 14:59 |
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Peace & blessings
@RasRuben, Prince Hakeem - thank you for your support of offer of your services. And thanks to all who offered services via pm
@ Watcher - we are trying to get a mission statement together and hopefully both petition and mission will be launched shortly ..... behind the scenes trying to link with necessary groups .....
@MLG .. I have spoken with some educators/teachers .. and any book which an adult can read can be taught to children. You break it down and teach in modules ...
@blessingsfromGod - thanks for posting the link sis, the last lecture I attended by Robin, I asked him if he had heard anymore from Dawn Butler. He has heard nothing more from her ...this definitely needs looking into ....
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Posted: Saturday February 10th, 2007 15:49 |
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Thank you blessingsfromgod for drawing attention to the contribution made by Dawn Butler MP on this issue. It was believed that the visually pleasing Ms Butler MP had disappeared from the face of the earth.
Can I suggest that rather than setting up yet another organisation, you try here instead.
As an alternative, if any African parent wants the contents of "When We Ruled" taught to their children, can I suggest that rather than waiting another 500 years for Europeans to act, they simply go to their nearest African bookshop and purchase a copy (or two).
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Posted: Sunday February 11th, 2007 17:46 |
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Can see where T.W is coming from, english history more or less starts with colonialism but I this is worth a try we have a right to determine what is taught to our own in schools. If they're celebrating the abolition (which really grates with me) they're supposed to show that they're moving on. We have to get something out of this whole abolition farce it has to be one of the worst attacks to date.
Will you sign the petition MGL? The book is for adults but theres no reason why it can't be taught to children, the author is a teacher himself.
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Posted: Sunday February 11th, 2007 18:17 |
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Please can you remind me - if an African parent or child wants to read this excellent book, what prevents them from so doing now?
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Posted: Monday February 12th, 2007 13:16 |
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A lack of publicity... the parents fear of teaching anything to do with our history to their children as they don't understand it themselves... the lack of education some parents have themselves some even thinking that us Caribs actually come from the Carribean.... The lack of time parents have to spend with their children... The overly religious thinking that our history is some godforsaken place full of tree gods and Mami Watas rather than of Kings and Queens etc etc.
The list goes on....
You're being idealistic M.G.L, whats stopping us from uniting and fixing up our own communities? What stopping the governments in Africa from ruling out corruption?
I think your answer is a lack of proper action.
The G.A.C have given their support btw.
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Posted: Wednesday February 21st, 2007 19:25 |
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How goes this progress? I contacted MP Dawn Butler to see how far her campaign had gotten and what we at BNV were planning; could she assist us or advice us! Just got a standard reply from her office advising on what we already knew(was I surprised - NO)
Thank you for your email to Dawn Butler MP regarding you work as part of Black Net Village and the campaign to have ‘When we Ruled’ added to the National Curriculum in UK Secondary Schools.
Dawn has asked me to provide you with some information regarding the campaign.
Dawn has been campaigning on this issue since last year and submitted a motion in Parliament calling for the mainstreaming of all aspects of Black and Ethnic minority history in UK schools, including ‘When We Ruled’.
Dawn has also asked me to draw your attention to the current review of the national curriculum that is taking place. You can find further details on the Qualifications and Curriculum Authority’s website at: http://www.qca.org.uk/secondarycurriculumreview/. A submission to this review from the Black Net Village regarding ‘When We Ruled’ and interested individuals will help the campaign.
I hope this advice is helpful.
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BNV we got to do for ourselves! Any other feed back? What next?
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Posted: Saturday February 24th, 2007 15:49 |
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Hey Sekhmet,
Great idea. Has there been a petition or group set up for this yet? I'm looking at the links provided for other Nubian organisations. Any chance we can rally support to make a joint petition or has this already been done?
I'm in and totally agree that we need to push for this. When I checked out the history section of the curriculum so far I don't think it goes back far enough to really set some form of power and knowledge into our youths. Staying on the slavery as they do the Holocaust gives the impression that that's all we were good for and that's the only story we have.
Aspects of British history including:
- the development of political power from the middle ages to the 20th century, including changes in the relationship between rulers and ruled over time; the changing relationship between the Crown and Parliament and the development of democracy
- the changing relationships through time of the peoples of England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales
- the impact through time of the movement and settlement of diverse peoples to, from and within the British Isles
- the way in which the lives, beliefs, ideas and attitudes of people in Britain have changed over time and the factors - such as technology, economic development, war, religion, culture - which have driven these changes
- the development of trade, colonisation, industrialisation, technology and the British Empire, its impact on different people in Britain and overseas, and the nature and effects of the slave trade.
The development of trade, colonisation, industrialisation, technology and the British Empire, its impact on different people in Britain and overseas and the nature and effects of the slave trade
This includes studying how the development of trade, colonisation, industrialisation and technology affected the United Kingdom. There should be a particular focus on the British Empire and its effect both on Britain and on the regions it colonised, as well as its legacy in the contemporary world for example in Africa, the Middle East and India. The study of the slave trade should include the abolition of slavery and work of reformers such as Olaudah Equiano and William Wilberforce. Links could be made to emancipation, segregation and the twentieth century civil rights movement in the USA.
Aspects of European and world history including:
- the impact of significant political, social, cultural, religious, technological and/or economic developments and events on past European and world societies
- the changing nature of conflict between countries and peoples, its lasting impact on national, ethnic, racial, cultural or religious groups, including the nature and impact of the two world wars and the Holocaust, and the role of international institutions in resolving conflicts.
The impact of significant political, social, cultural, religious, technological and/or economic developments and events on past European and world societies
This includes studying the impact of significant developments and events on past European and world societies. For example, the impact of the French Revolution and Napoleonic era on Europe in the late eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries and the rise of modern China from 1925 and its impact on world history. Where appropriate, these could be linked to aspects of British history, for example, a study of the political and cultural achievements of the Islamic states from 600 - 1600 could provide a contrasting overview of the medieval period.
The changing nature of conflict between countries and peoples and its lasting impact on national, ethnic, racial, cultural or religious groups, including the nature and impact of the two world wars and the Holocaust
This includes studying the causes and consequences of various conflicts including the two world wars and the Holocaust and developing an understanding of the changing nature of conflict over time and attempts to resolve conflict including through international institutions such as the UN and the EU. The selection of conflicts should take into account their significance in terms of scale, characteristic and unique features and immediate and longer-term impact including on civilians. This links with the study in citizenship of the UK's interconnections with the world as a global community.
I also feel that if more Nubian teachers aren't recruited or supported to teach such subjects then it will have less effect too on what our youths will learn....where do I sign. This is too valuable an opportunity to miss.
Let's do it for our children!
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