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Posted: Thursday January 6th, 2005 20:38 |
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All over I see these misconceptions that categorize Africans and their features according to regions and this is not neccessarily the case. Connections are more ethnic/tribal than regional. These regions of Africa are not genetic boxes where only certain people of certain features are from. There are some tribes in North and West Africa that can be found in Central and East Africa, there are some in East Africa that are related to those in the South and Northwest. There are Senegalese Puel that may be mistaken for Tutsi of Rwanda or Somali midgaan, or Ethiopian Oromo and Somalis that are bantus that could pass for a Nigerian Igbo, not to mention the migration of tribes and intermarrying over the years.
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Posted: Thursday January 6th, 2005 23:50 |
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| You are 100% correct.....They that will be a blow to the so called experts...And another thing that annoys me is the false labling of peoples.
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Posted: Friday January 7th, 2005 17:08 |
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 I am very impressed with what you have stated. I am Black Ameircan ,and I have noticed even the West and East Africans sometimes have similar features.I thank you for discussing this. I went to a Seminar for college on African Diplomacy ,and a Nigerian Guy told me that my ancestors were probably from Kenya by looking at my features. I have met people of Kenyan Decent and they look like PEople from the West africa.In America the only Ethinic group they show are the Maasi People,and the People I met look nothing like the Maasi people.
I was a bit disturbed when I hear continental Africans speaking on those issues. It seems they to have bought into this image of certain features as well being from certain regions.
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Posted: Saturday January 8th, 2005 13:31 |
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| Could you post some photographic evidence of what you are referring to? Thank you.
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Posted: Saturday January 8th, 2005 14:52 |
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MarcusGarveyLives wrote: Could you post some photographic evidence of what you are referring to? Thank you.
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Not being sarcastic, but what if I didn't have photographic evidence? All Africans originate from Sudan. Many ethnic groups migrated west, south, and east to get away from the Islamic invasion or due to internal disputes. There are no such thing as regional African features.
 Somali Bantu
 Somali Bantu
 Somali Bantu
 Gambella people of Ethiopia
 Bantu of Ethiopia
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of Fulani ethnic group
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Posted: Saturday January 8th, 2005 14:55 |
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 Former arab slave of Mauritania, West Africa
 Women of Mali, West Africa
 Fulani of Nigeria
 Tuareg of West Africa - Senegal, Niger, Mali, Burkina Faso,
 West African woman
 Woman from Sudan, North East Africa
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Posted: Saturday January 8th, 2005 15:05 |
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tab wrote: I am very impressed with what you have stated. I am Black Ameircan ,and I have noticed even the West and East Africans sometimes have similar features.I thank you for discussing this. I went to a Seminar for college on African Diplomacy ,and a Nigerian Guy told me that my ancestors were probably from Kenya by looking at my features. I have met people of Kenyan Decent and they look like PEople from the West africa.In America the only Ethinic group they show are the Maasi People,and the People I met look nothing like the Maasi people.
I was a bit disturbed when I hear continental Africans speaking on those issues. It seems they to have bought into this image of certain features as well being from certain regions.
Thanks a lot Dsp!!
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I've met some people of certain tribes from Kenya, that can be found in my country also. Many languages are simliar also. My background is made up of 3 different ethnic groups one of which can be found in West, Central, and East Africa.
Chariubangi, I get annoyed with the false labeling myself. These so called experts kill me..LOL!! It's so obvious, but people never really question it, they just assume and base everything on their personal limited exposure.
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Posted: Saturday January 8th, 2005 15:30 |
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DSP: Those people who think all black folks looke the same are "silly" anyway, most of us black peolpe all over the world have "negroid features"
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Posted: Saturday January 8th, 2005 21:15 |
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All over I see these misconceptions that categorize Africans and their features according to regions and this is not neccessarily the case. Connections are more ethnic/tribal than regional. These regions of Africa are not genetic boxes where only certain people of certain features are from. There are some tribes in North and West Africa that can be found in Central and East Africa, there are some in East Africa that are related to those in the South and Northwest. There are Senegalese Puel that may be mistaken for Tutsi of Rwanda or Somali midgaan, or Ethiopian Oromo and Somalis that are bantus that could pass for a Nigerian Igbo, not to mention the migration of tribes and intermarrying over the years.
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I'll meet you half-way. You're correct, in the sense that regional feature variation on the continent isn't an absolute. There's always been migration. Yet, in the grand scheme of things there is indeed regional similarities among groups, along national & ethnic lines.
I tell you, I can 9 times out of 10 physically distinguish blacks born in africa from black americans. The west africans tend to be darker skinned and their facial features are usually different. Some ethnicities would likely throw me off though, like the fulani. Many of whom resemble black americans, from what I've seen.
You'll find regional similarities in central, eastern and southern africa as well. Of course, it's not an exact science.
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Posted: Saturday January 8th, 2005 21:51 |
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Somali women of the majority race in Somalia (kushetic)
 Somali Bantu women and children
 Somalis (kushetic)
 Taureg women of Niger (Berber)
Massia of Kenya
 Tigray of Ethopia
 Young Wodaabe men in traditional celibration clothes in Niger. (hamatic)
Ogoni people of Nigeria
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An insight of the different races and cultures of Africa, There are some many that it is countless!!!
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Posted: Saturday January 8th, 2005 22:19 |
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Of course, it's not an exact science.
i agree with this and the bulk of what Ceazar says. i am of South African origin. though i realize that South African blacks have more or less a similar look that is different from the west African look, i also know that types that can be found in west Africa can also be found in the east, central or south. i see the faces every day. the fact of the matter is Africans are a mix of racial types, but reading Tony Morrison's "Song of Solomon" might get you to comprehend the whole story, and realize that there are indeed racial, if not family types in Africa.
the Igbo of Nigeria would in general not look like anyone else on the continent, what with their large round craniums and robust physic that is uncommon in other parts of Africa, and so would the Fulas or Yoruba’s judging by individual features, but each individual Igbo would tell you even though they can know by appearance whether a person is of their own group and not foreign, they have of times miscalculated by a margin of west, south or east Africa.
what we are dealing with here are families, and the resemblances they share. we have one thing that connects us all, and that is blackness. important to know is, as soon as a group of disparate African types settle some place, they get their racial types mixed into one genetic type by interbreeding, and eventually, as a whole, look somewhat dissimilar to each of their respective origins, the similarities still pop up now and then.
to give an example: the West Indian look is a result of a combining of several African types, including a little of non-African looks like white or American Indian, and so is the African American look. but the two no longer resemble, even though most Afro-Americans are originally from Africa but almost all passed through the Caribbean. somewhere along the line, individuals simply passed along all they had in them in term of dominant genetic info., creating the new look of the family, but once in a while, the recessive genes they passed along make a show.
this factor is the same on the continent. If you look at Mandela, you see Bantu in him, but you also see Asian in him which comes from the Madagascar-Asia connection. and so the story goes...
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Posted: Saturday January 8th, 2005 22:44 |
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Yes bro. There are many carribeans brothers/sisters that look like their "typical" Ashanti/ Yoruba/ etc. counterparts on the continent.
Ah Kweli dat.
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Posted: Sunday January 9th, 2005 00:35 |
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I'll meet you half-way. You're correct, in the sense that regional feature variation on the continent isn't an absolute. There's always been migration. Yet, in the grand scheme of things there is indeed regional similarities among groups, along national & ethnic lines.
I tell you, I can 9 times out of 10 physically distinguish blacks born in africa from black americans. The west africans tend to be darker skinned and their facial features are usually different. Some ethnicities would likely throw me off though, like the fulani. Many of whom resemble black americans, from what I've seen.
You'll find regional similarities in central, eastern and southern africa as well. Of course, it's not an exact science.
Well you are sort of right that it is possible to distinguish black americans and west africans in some cases (some are very hard) I don't think that african americans look anything like fulani. And i kind of know since my fathers grandmother are all fulani. Or maybe it was grandfather. Which is probably why I am not lactos intolerant. And the fulani themselves range from all colours. From what I have seen and know about fulani i wouldn't say that they resembled african americans that much. That is merely my observation. since i have been in africa and the last time I was there I spent alot of time with a fulani guy.
But I do agree that isn't anything like "african features". My grandmother has gortasian eyes. As in slanted and so does my father to a certain degree. I have however not inherited that.
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Posted: Sunday January 9th, 2005 01:43 |
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Ceazar wrote: DSP wrote:
All over I see these misconceptions that categorize Africans and their features according to regions and this is not neccessarily the case. Connections are more ethnic/tribal than regional. These regions of Africa are not genetic boxes where only certain people of certain features are from. There are some tribes in North and West Africa that can be found in Central and East Africa, there are some in East Africa that are related to those in the South and Northwest. There are Senegalese Puel that may be mistaken for Tutsi of Rwanda or Somali midgaan, or Ethiopian Oromo and Somalis that are bantus that could pass for a Nigerian Igbo, not to mention the migration of tribes and intermarrying over the years.
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I'll meet you half-way. You're correct, in the sense that regional feature variation on the continent isn't an absolute. There's always been migration. Yet, in the grand scheme of things there is indeed regional similarities among groups, along national & ethnic lines.
I tell you, I can 9 times out of 10 physically distinguish blacks born in africa from black americans. The west africans tend to be darker skinned and their facial features are usually different. Some ethnicities would likely throw me off though, like the fulani. Many of whom resemble black americans, from what I've seen.
You'll find regional similarities in central, eastern and southern africa as well. Of course, it's not an exact science.
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I see where you're coming from, but I'm not even saying they're not absolute, I'm saying that it's of very little influence and more to do with migration and clusters of people who create their own sub ethnic groups. but they're not neccessarily regional, they are ethnic. Certain cultures may or may not travel outside of colonial boarders. Those artificial borders don't determine the physical characteristics, whether in ancient or contemporary times. How do we account for Kenya, Mozambique, Nigeria, Ethiopia, Liberia, and Cameroon having related tribes, or the Tutsis who consider Senegalese as brothers of the similar ethnic groups, not to mention the Arabs who have been trading and doing commerce in every region since ancient times. In contemporary times now you have Ethiopians who live in Southern and West Africa, and the numerious people from West African(Nigerian, Senegalese,etc.) who are of many ethnic groups that live in Kenya, Tanzania, etc. The Bantu slaves that the british took from Mozambique and Tanzania to Somalia, not to mention the Somali bantus that were there before the semetic looking Somalis came.
The west africans tend to be darker skinned - not true, Africans of every region come in many complexions(sp?). You're basing this on your personal exposure. We ALL have limited exposure.
and their facial features are usually different. - Once again you can not put millions of Africans in a regional category, very very misleading and stereotypical. In my own limited personal experience I have scene the contrary. Fore example, Nigeria alone has 150 million people, many ethnic groups that may have never traveled to the area where you live and you can not know they exist unless you see them.
Some ethnicities would likely throw me off though, like the fulani. Many of whom resemble black americans, from what I've seen <--- this is what I mean, you're basing it on your own experience. This is where people fall into the trap of categorizing, when their personal experience is very limted.
There's always been migration. Yet, in the grand scheme of things there is indeed regional similarities among groups, along national & ethnic lines. - Explain how conceptual geographical borders determine physical charactersitcs.
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Posted: Sunday January 9th, 2005 05:06 |
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Explain how conceptual geographical borders determine physical charactersitcs.
a lot of Africans on the continent equate race with the artificial borders themselves. that's how bad the brainwashing has become... more reason to get rid of the borders ASAP.
Southern African Bantus (urbanized)
bunch of ultra-broke background Southern African Bantu kids
SA bantu
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DSP I completly agree.
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Posted: Sunday January 9th, 2005 18:35 |
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| I look like every single one of those photos and my folks are from Barbados,I am the Heinz 57 of African stock...... and de de de de deh im lovin it!
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Saw a thread that made me want to push this back to the top..
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Posted: Wednesday February 23rd, 2005 19:10 |
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DSP wrote: Ceazar wrote: DSP wrote:
All over I see these misconceptions that categorize Africans and their features according to regions and this is not neccessarily the case. Connections are more ethnic/tribal than regional. These regions of Africa are not genetic boxes where only certain people of certain features are from. There are some tribes in North and West Africa that can be found in Central and East Africa, there are some in East Africa that are related to those in the South and Northwest. There are Senegalese Puel that may be mistaken for Tutsi of Rwanda or Somali midgaan, or Ethiopian Oromo and Somalis that are bantus that could pass for a Nigerian Igbo, not to mention the migration of tribes and intermarrying over the years.
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I'll meet you half-way. You're correct, in the sense that regional feature variation on the continent isn't an absolute. There's always been migration. Yet, in the grand scheme of things there is indeed regional similarities among groups, along national & ethnic lines.
I tell you, I can 9 times out of 10 physically distinguish blacks born in africa from black americans. The west africans tend to be darker skinned and their facial features are usually different. Some ethnicities would likely throw me off though, like the fulani. Many of whom resemble black americans, from what I've seen.
You'll find regional similarities in central, eastern and southern africa as well. Of course, it's not an exact science.
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I see where you're coming from, but I'm not even saying they're not absolute, I'm saying that it's of very little influence and more to do with migration and clusters of people who create their own sub ethnic groups. but they're not neccessarily regional, they are ethnic. Certain cultures may or may not travel outside of colonial boarders. Those artificial borders don't determine the physical characteristics, whether in ancient or contemporary times. How do we account for Kenya, Mozambique, Nigeria, Ethiopia, Liberia, and Cameroon having related tribes, or the Tutsis who consider Senegalese as brothers of the similar ethnic groups, not to mention the Arabs who have been trading and doing commerce in every region since ancient times. In contemporary times now you have Ethiopians who live in Southern and West Africa, and the numerious people from West African(Nigerian, Senegalese,etc.) who are of many ethnic groups that live in Kenya, Tanzania, etc. The Bantu slaves that the british took from Mozambique and Tanzania to Somalia, not to mention the Somali bantus that were there before the semetic looking Somalis came.
The west africans tend to be darker skinned - not true, Africans of every region come in many complexions(sp?). You're basing this on your personal exposure. We ALL have limited exposure.
and their facial features are usually different. - Once again you can not put millions of Africans in a regional category, very very misleading and stereotypical. In my own limited personal experience I have scene the contrary. Fore example, Nigeria alone has 150 million people, many ethnic groups that may have never traveled to the area where you live and you can not know they exist unless you see them.
Some ethnicities would likely throw me off though, like the fulani. Many of whom resemble black americans, from what I've seen <--- this is what I mean, you're basing it on your own experience. This is where people fall into the trap of categorizing, when their personal experience is very limted.
There's always been migration. Yet, in the grand scheme of things there is indeed regional similarities among groups, along national & ethnic lines. - Explain how conceptual geographical borders determine physical charactersitcs.
The Bantu slaves that the british took from Mozambique and Tanzania to Somalia, not to mention the Somali bantus that were there before the semetic looking Somalis came.
1] The British never brought Bantu Slaves to Somalia..It was the Arabs who brought them Southern Somalia some 700 years ago... The British were not even in control of Southern Somalia and properly never encountered Somali Bantus who are only found in Southern Somali and not the Northern Somalia which colonized
2] Where the hell did you get the idea that Somalis chased of Bantus from Somalia..when their were no Bantus present in the whole of East Africa let alone the most Eastern country in Africa...The Somalis chased of were Gallas who are subclan of Oromias... And last time I checked the Oromas were cush*tic speakers who closest relatives were not bantus but Somalis....ohh Ya about semetic looking Somalis... I would say its more like cush*tic looking Somalis since all the cush*tic speakers look allot like Somalis....
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Posted: Wednesday February 23rd, 2005 19:14 |
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Former arab slave of Mauritania, West Africa
Women of Mali, West Africa
Fulani of Nigeria
Tuareg of West Africa - Senegal, Niger, Mali, Burkina Faso,
West African woman
Woman from Sudan, North East Africa
how come you are not mentioning the ethnic group of these beautiful woman?
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how come you are not mentioning the ethnic group of these beautiful woman?
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Because only the COUNTRY was listed and NOT the ethnic groups, and where did I say Bantus were chased out of Somalia?
.... and I notice you ONLY asked about the lightskinned muslim dressed women...lol.
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