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Posted: Saturday January 15th, 2005 13:26 |
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Black N Proud, just read ur post i'm going to reply at some point tonight or tomorrow morning but i need to go out, i've been lying on the sofa all morning and i've got stuff to do. however what i will say now is, bearing in my mind i've scanned through your post very quickly. you've decided that the concept of african as a race has in effect become supplanted because of the fact that some west africans suffered from displacemmet via the slave trade. now because they refer to themselves as black and not african, the term african is not legitimate as a race other than if being used in an subcultural context, that of pan- africanism.
some west africans been displaced and mixed with other races doesn't mean that modern day africans- those who have a non -negiotiable or deniable link which their africaness, should decide that they are now black becuase its what the 'darker' peoples of the americas call themselves. that denying our true race to fit in with what the other have come to associate themselves with because they do not associate themselves with the west african heritage that is most racilally manifest in them.
whites are racially European, 'Browns' and Yellows' (by ur logic) are racially Asians whether this be eastern or Southern Asian. the people of today who choose to call themselves black are african racially.
Those displaced through slavery Blacks as far as i'm concerned can call themselves black becasue most of them choose to believe that they are mixed with everything, whetehr it be native american or european even thoughits the african that is most manifest, or most commonly the only racial marker idenitifiable and i am not talking about skin tone here.
anyway like i said, need to get out!!
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Posted: Saturday January 15th, 2005 15:09 |
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Blu Oshun wrote: Black N Proud, just read ur post i'm going to reply at some point tonight or tomorrow morning but i need to go out, i've been lying on the sofa all morning and i've got stuff to do. however what i will say now is, bearing in my mind i've scanned through your post very quickly. you've decided that the concept of african as a race has in effect become supplanted because of the fact that some west africans suffered from displacemmet via the slave trade. now because they refer to themselves as black and not african, the term african is not legitimate as a race other than if being used in an subcultural context, that of pan- africanism.
some west africans been displaced and mixed with other races doesn't mean that modern day africans- those who have a non -negiotiable or deniable link which their africaness, should decide that they are now black becuase its what the 'darker' peoples of the americas call themselves. that denying our true race to fit in with what the other have come to associate themselves with because they do not associate themselves with the west african heritage that is most racilally manifest in them.
whites are racially European, 'Browns' and Yellows' (by ur logic) are racially Asians whether this be eastern or Southern Asian. the people of today who choose to call themselves black are african racially.
Those displaced through slavery Blacks as far as i'm concerned can call themselves black becasue most of them choose to believe that they are mixed with everything, whetehr it be native american or european even thoughits the african that is most manifest, or most commonly the only racial marker idenitifiable and i am not talking about skin tone here.
anyway like i said, need to get out!!
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What about Africans who are mixed?
By the way there is no such thing as West African heritage or East African, we've been miseducated. As you said earlier it's about ethnic or tribes, not region.
http://www.blackchat.co.uk/theblackforum/forum34/7100.html
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Blu Oshun wrote: "Black N Proud, just read ur post i'm going to reply at some point tonight or tomorrow morning but i need to go out, i've been lying on the sofa all morning and i've got stuff to do. however what i will say now is, bearing in my mind i've scanned through your post very quickly. you've decided that the concept of african as a race has in effect become supplanted because of the fact that some west africans suffered from displacemmet via the slave trade. now because they refer to themselves as black and not african, the term african is not legitimate as a race other than if being used in an subcultural context, that of pan- africanism.
some west africans been displaced and mixed with other races doesn't mean that modern day africans- those who have a non -negiotiable or deniable link which their africaness, should decide that they are now black becuase its what the 'darker' peoples of the americas call themselves. that denying our true race to fit in with what the other have come to associate themselves with because they do not associate themselves with the west african heritage that is most racilally manifest in them. "
Black Americans and Black Caribbean people are primarily West African descended which is why they're BLACK American and BLACK Caribbean people, they wouldn't be BLACK anything if it wasn't for their African ancestry. Like I said, Africa is the heart and soul of the Black world. The majority of Black people on this planet live in Africa, prior to 1501 all Black people lived in Africa. You're right, the term African as a racial marker is not legitmate unless you're using it in a pan-Africanist context, I don't understand you're arguement against this. Africans became "Black" when Europeans first set foot on the African continent and initiated the slave trade and colonialism, actually before that when we first had contact with Arabs who called the continent 'El-Sudan' ( Land of the Blacks ). If diasporan Black people call themselves 'Black' but don't acknowledge their African heritage as the reason for it, then they are simply wrong. I don't know if you're playing with semantics, but the point is Africans, Black Americans and Black Caribbean people belong to the same 'race', they share the same broad phenotype as a result of being of African descent, if they don't acknowledge this, then they are simply wrong. Call us the 'Black' race, or call us the 'African' race, but acknowledge it or not, we belong to the same 'race', you don't have to be a pan-Africanist to acknowledge this reality.
"whites are racially European, 'Browns' and Yellows' (by ur logic) are racially Asians whether this be eastern or Southern Asian. the people of today who choose to call themselves black are african racially. "
I don't understand this. You say the people of today who call themselves 'Black' are racially African, so here you are using 'African' in a pan-Africanist context. You seem to be acknowledging Europeans are Whites, 'Browns' and 'Yellows' are Asians, and Africans are Black. Again, you can call us the 'African' race or you can call us the 'Black' race, Africans, AA's, Afro-Caribbean, Afro-Brazillian, we belong to the same race, and since most diasporan Blacks won't accept 'African', 'Black' is what we have in common racially. Again, I understand why you would argue why we should place our (immediate/continental) African heritage and identity over pan-African/Black identity, but either way we belong to the same race and 'Black' is what we call this race.
"Those displaced through slavery Blacks as far as i'm concerned can call themselves black becasue most of them choose to believe that they are mixed with everything, whetehr it be native american or european even thoughits the african that is most manifest, or most commonly the only racial marker idenitifiable and i am not talking about skin tone here. "
This is irrational on their part. If they are 'Black' that is attributable to their African ancestry, their White or Native American blood is not responsible for their being Black, so what distinguishes Steve Harvey from George Bush or a Native American? His African ancestry, no matter how much White/Native American ancestry he may have, and how much people think that shows up on his features, he is primarily African descended. I have 1/8th Scottish ancestry, but I am Black/African because I am primarily descended from Black Africans. Black= race, African, Black American, Black Brazillian, Black Caribbean= ethnicities within the Black race, unless you want to use African as a racial designation which includes diasporan Blacks.
"What about Africans who are mixed? "
This is a logical response to those diasporan Blacks who see themselves as to 'diluted' to be African, but Black inspite of non-Black blood, like you have to be pure to be 'African', but damn near anything goes for 'Black'. 'Black blood' comes from Africa. Barack Obama is an African, he's not just African because you can't discount his White mom , but he is an African because of his father. He has enough African blood to be my cousin, half-brother, son ( even though I will never have bi-racial children ) etc., same goes for Rhian Benson, Boris Kodjoe, Sade, Samantha Mumba etc., and they have more White blood then the average Black American ( who on average, if I'm not mistaken , has 25/30% non-Black blood, and 20% of White Americans have some Black slave ancestry ).
"By the way there is no such thing as West African heritage or East African, we've been miseducated. As you said earlier it's about ethnic or tribes, not region. "
As far as I'm concerned, I'm an African first and foremost.
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Posted: Sunday January 16th, 2005 21:45 |
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DSP Wrote: By the way there is no such thing as West African heritage or East African, we've been miseducated. As you said earlier it's about ethnic or tribes, not region.
i haven't read the link you've provided but i'll save it as my favourite to read offline.
i completely agree with you and wish this is something that Black N Proud could understand, i can't understand for the life of me what it is about the word black that makes him/her need to hold onto and identify with it so much. i myself as an African will not use a euphemism, with 'black', is describe myself. why should i employ a code because Europeans during slavery and colonialism went about to eradicate through denigration everything about the thousands of cultures and ethnicities of sub-Saharan Africa? for example as i have already said i am a Yoruba of the region in west Africa that is now none of Nigeria. but the deplorable means by which the Europeans butchered Africa in order to create such boundaries so that they could own them with greater ease means that Yoruba's also exist in the country known as Benin, but the colonial rulers and their imposed cultures mean that differences within the modern day Yoruba's of Nigeria and Benin, exist. for one group speak French and the other English, likewise one are Catholics the other Christians. either way tragic.
Black N Proud Wrote: You're right, the term African as a racial marker is not legitimate unless you're using it in a pan-Africanist context, I don't understand you're argument against this.
why is that acknowledging my race as it should be is pan-africanist? and how is it that you have decided that i am a pan- africanist because i have chosen not to subscribe to the label that Europeans want to call me so as to dilute my culture? it seems to me that black means so much to you so that you are able to maintain a link, identification with blacks of the Americas. this is jot important to me. Africans are important to me, so I have inclination to go into any further discussion of blacks throughout the Americas.
while you dismiss my identification of my race as African as opossum to 'black' as pan-africanist thus not really having any real legitimacy, you do realise that in this you are relegating the true ethnicities of Africans as mere subjective nik naks if you will. what i mean is that in your categorisation of the black as a race, and African as an ethnicity. your invalidating the true ethnicities (aka Tribes). in your logic these do not exist as objective and real, but a mere metaphorical side dish- you don't really need it but it gives a lil' something to the main dish. do you realise how subservient you come across? because Europeans decided to call themselves white, and as you correctly note they did this in direct contrast to how they viewed the African, we must obediently deny our race in order to reinforce their superior notions of themselves.
as it ever occurred to you why we describe the 'yellows and browns' of the planet as Red Indians native Americans or Asians?, or even why is it that we don't have such lazy and colour chart descriptions for the aboriginals of Australia?. because when Europeans began to call themselves white they did this with the African as a central tenet. white stood for all that was pure, heavenly divine and right- in aesthetics terms it was the very manifestation of beauty, while black stood for the exact opposite- the depraved, evil, immoral all manifested in that dark skin and kinky curl- and let's not forget that wide nose and those thick ole lips. Europeans lose nothing by identifying as white, their languages and cultures have never been under threat- and they have chosen this. why do you hold on to this notion that Africans must comply, in exsentuating the Europeans conception of themselves through the denigration of the African?
when Asians (southern) came to Britain in the 60s, they were classified as black/coloured. either way they were classified in exactly the same way as those of west African descent. now they are foremost Asians. in the UK this correct transition is legitimate and makes for complete sense for Africans to do the same it would upset the Europeans perfectly created dichotomy. how can they be while and exemplify all that white is if there is noone at the other end of the dichotomy. without black, there is no dichotomy, thus white becomes illegitimate, at the very least ambiguous.
I said that i had no concern talking about blacks of the Americas but what i will say is that i don't deny that they are of west African ancestry but seeing as they identify most with their cultures of those who reaped the fruits of their enforced labour and like to believe that their is a minutiae of African in their blood. let them. this is their prerogative and as such i think that the term black can be used to describe them as they subscribe to it more eagerly than anything else anyway. the euphemism suits them.
Black N Proud: in relation to one of your former posts on the same subject, you said "It should be very interesting to hear you explain how an Indian, Irishman and China man are closer to 'Black' then an African though...."
what i mean in this is that, from the term black initially been coined (in respect to describing Africans) for the sole purpose of a raw and cruel denigration, now it is used to further dilute Africans ethnicities by way of separating us from our cultures. if you are not Caucasian you are 'black'. even 'black' people in the UK will vehemently state that Italians and Greeks and Turks are black, not because they are not Caucasian but because they are not English!! but back to my point. the term 'black' presently serves to mean 'not Europeans, of dark skin' do you know how many debates I have heard on bbc radio ( since Eminem and a TV character we have over here called Ali G ( a 'wigga' played by a Jew), and i'm not talking about the 'ethnic slots' either arguing over whether anyone can be black? and in response white people will say 'oh yes, anyone can be black, its pop culture in it'.
if believing that Africans have no business calling themselves black, I'll gladly look into pan-africanism, but i won't accept or respect this being relegated to the confines of pan-africanism.
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Blu Oshun wrote: DSP Wrote: By the way there is no such thing as West African heritage or East African, we've been miseducated. As you said earlier it's about ethnic or tribes, not region.
i haven't read the link you've provided but i'll save it as my favourite to read offline.
i completely agree with you and wish this is something that Black N Proud could understand, i can't understand for the life of me what it is about the word black that makes him/her need to hold onto and identify with it so much. i myself as an African will not use a euphemism, with 'black', is describe myself. why should i employ a code because Europeans during slavery and colonialism went about to eradicate through denigration everything about the thousands of cultures and ethnicities of sub-Saharan Africa? for example as i have already said i am a Yoruba of the region in west Africa that is now none of Nigeria. but the deplorable means by which the Europeans butchered Africa in order to create such boundaries so that they could own them with greater ease means that Yoruba's also exist in the country known as Benin, but the colonial rulers and their imposed cultures mean that differences within the modern day Yoruba's of Nigeria and Benin, exist. for one group speak French and the other English, likewise one are Catholics the other Christians. either way tragic.
Black N Proud Wrote: You're right, the term African as a racial marker is not legitimate unless you're using it in a pan-Africanist context, I don't understand you're argument against this.
why is that acknowledging my race as it should be is pan-africanist? and how is it that you have decided that i am a pan- africanist because i have chosen not to subscribe to the label that Europeans want to call me so as to dilute my culture? it seems to me that black means so much to you so that you are able to maintain a link, identification with blacks of the Americas. this is jot important to me. Africans are important to me, so I have inclination to go into any further discussion of blacks throughout the Americas.
while you dismiss my identification of my race as African as opossum to 'black' as pan-africanist thus not really having any real legitimacy, you do realise that in this you are relegating the true ethnicities of Africans as mere subjective nik naks if you will. what i mean is that in your categorisation of the black as a race, and African as an ethnicity. your invalidating the true ethnicities (aka Tribes). in your logic these do not exist as objective and real, but a mere metaphorical side dish- you don't really need it but it gives a lil' something to the main dish. do you realise how subservient you come across? because Europeans decided to call themselves white, and as you correctly note they did this in direct contrast to how they viewed the African, we must obediently deny our race in order to reinforce their superior notions of themselves.
as it ever occurred to you why we describe the 'yellows and browns' of the planet as Red Indians native Americans or Asians?, or even why is it that we don't have such lazy and colour chart descriptions for the aboriginals of Australia?. because when Europeans began to call themselves white they did this with the African as a central tenet. white stood for all that was pure, heavenly divine and right- in aesthetics terms it was the very manifestation of beauty, while black stood for the exact opposite- the depraved, evil, immoral all manifested in that dark skin and kinky curl- and let's not forget that wide nose and those thick ole lips. Europeans lose nothing by identifying as white, their languages and cultures have never been under threat- and they have chosen this. why do you hold on to this notion that Africans must comply, in exsentuating the Europeans conception of themselves through the denigration of the African?
when Asians (southern) came to Britain in the 60s, they were classified as black/coloured. either way they were classified in exactly the same way as those of west African descent. now they are foremost Asians. in the UK this correct transition is legitimate and makes for complete sense for Africans to do the same it would upset the Europeans perfectly created dichotomy. how can they be while and exemplify all that white is if there is noone at the other end of the dichotomy. without black, there is no dichotomy, thus white becomes illegitimate, at the very least ambiguous.
I said that i had no concern talking about blacks of the Americas but what i will say is that i don't deny that they are of west African ancestry but seeing as they identify most with their cultures of those who reaped the fruits of their enforced labour and like to believe that their is a minutiae of African in their blood. let them. this is their prerogative and as such i think that the term black can be used to describe them as they subscribe to it more eagerly than anything else anyway. the euphemism suits them.
Black N Proud: in relation to one of your former posts on the same subject, you said "It should be very interesting to hear you explain how an Indian, Irishman and China man are closer to 'Black' then an African though...."
what i mean in this is that, from the term black initially been coined (in respect to describing Africans) for the sole purpose of a raw and cruel denigration, now it is used to further dilute Africans ethnicities by way of separating us from our cultures. if you are not Caucasian you are 'black'. even 'black' people in the UK will vehemently state that Italians and Greeks and Turks are black, not because they are not Caucasian but because they are not English!! but back to my point. the term 'black' presently serves to mean 'not Europeans, of dark skin' do you know how many debates I have heard on bbc radio ( since Eminem and a TV character we have over here called Ali G ( a 'wigga' played by a Jew), and i'm not talking about the 'ethnic slots' either arguing over whether anyone can be black? and in response white people will say 'oh yes, anyone can be black, its pop culture in it'.
if believing that Africans have no business calling themselves black, I'll gladly look into pan-africanism, but i won't accept or respect this being relegated to the confines of pan-africanism.
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I'm not interested in a ping pong debate with you my sister. First off, who the hell says Italians and Greeks are Black??!? South Asians aren't 'Black' either, 'Black' refers to African descended people.
my points are, I understand the importance of culture/ethnicity over race and not wanting to lose our cultural/ethnic identity( "dilute our culture" and how Europeans can identify as White because their languages and culture aren't threatened or whatever) is a good reason to identify ethnically over racially. You said the Black people in the Americas weren't important to you, allright, I understand this, but all of what you are saying is only arguing why you identify as African before Black. I am a human being and George Bush is a human being whether we identify with one another or not, we're both human beings. Africans and Caribbean/American Black people are both Black; we belong to the same race, whether that means anything to you or not, my just acknowledging that isn't going against what you're saying of identifying as Africans first and foremost. I consider myself an African first and foremost ( and I am not "invalidtating the true ethnicities ( aka tribes )" I just see my ethnic identity as being African period). You don't have to consider yourself Black first and foremost but you are "Black". Black is our race, what we look like, and African encompasses our cultural/ethnic identity. For you to say African is your race but then ask me how does this make you a pan-Africanist, it either makes you a pan-Africanist or mistaken seeing as how Africans and American/Caribbean Black people belong to the same race, we call this race 'Black', if you say racially you are African then, you are either using it in a pan-Africanist context or are incorrect, because if you are not using it in a pan-Africanist context, it is incorrect because Africans are not a completely different race than American and Caribbean Black people. This would be like a Scotsman saying his race is Scottish, his ethnicity/culture is Scottish, if he chooses to identify as Scottish over White, this is his perogative, but he is still White, like he is still human period. All your arguements only point out why we should identify as African before Black. Why don't we just identify as human first and foremost, forget about 'race', culture/ethnicity, being African, West Indian, Black, Asian etc. and just be humans? Well we can identify as humans first and foremost, or by our own ethnic/racial/or whatever else groups but we ARE all humans, whether we identify as human first and foremost or not. I'm not a pan-Africanist ( ie. someone who promotes the unity of all African descended/Black people worldwide irrespective of nationality, ethnicity/culture etc. ), but what Africans and Black people of the America's have in common is that 'racially' ( 'race' having to do with phenotype; common ancestry ) we are all BLACK, should we unite because of it? That's your call, I understand you identifying as African before Black, because that's more important to you, but you ARE Black just like you are human period. A Nigerian and a Barabadian are both Black/of African descent. The Nigerian is African but ( unless you are a pan-Africanist and use 'Black' synonymously with 'African' and this is all about semantics ) the Barbadian is not, he is Caribbean. They come from different ethnicities, they are African and Caribbean, but they belong to the same 'race', ie. they have a common African descent and share the same broad phenotype. There is something they have in common that distinguishes them from a Japanese or Irish person. What other word describes what we have in common as people of African descent, if not 'Black', since diasporan Black people will generally not accept "African" and if you do think 'African' should replace 'Black' in describing all African descended people, then you are playing with semantics. Whatever diasporan 'Black' people are racially we are because we belong to the same 'race', you acknowledged that they are of West African ancestry so at one point did we become different races?
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| This is my first time doing anything on this site. I have read a lot of what people have wrote on this site and to be honest I’m a little disappointed. No disrespect to any one on here but a lot of you people have identity crisis’s. It’s almost like you use this site to help validate the fact that your Black, then look in the mirror and cry about the fact that your are black. I feel sorry for any one who has melamine in their skin, a flat nose and nappy hair who says that they aren’t black or of African heritage. This is directed to people who say they are from the West Indies let me point out one fact, unless you are Indian you are not from the Wets Indies. You’re from the Caribbean, I speak for myself personally when I state that I’m not from India never been to the West of India therefore I’m not from the West Indies. It was called that because Columbus didn’t know his right from his left or up from down. Secondly, to claim that every one born in the Island is mixed is wrong, In Jamaica they have a tribe called the Maroons that fought and liberated the country from white people and they never mixed with any race. I personally call myself a Blackman because that’s what I am It just so Happens that white people called the continent I’m from Africa so to a Whiteman I’m African. The word Africa comes from the Greek "Aphrike" meaning "without cold", and I don’t like the cold therefore I am AFRICAN. Now those who choose to call themselves mix may do so, but I can’t because I don’t know if my ancestors where rape by the Whiteman or if they mixed by choice, 9 time out of 10 they were probably rape, I see no pride in claiming genes I never asked for. If you think you, could go to Europe and tell a Whiteman that, Europe is you continent; they would laugh at you and tell you to go back to Africa so all those who claim Europe as their motherland (Especially in the Islands) and are not Caucasian are hallucinating. You never see and a White Afrikan or Whiteman in America with the last name O’Brian who is an 8th generation Irish say they are not Irish so why do Black people not call themselves African. I will tell you because we have this negative view of Africa that doesn’t exist. This view is spread through dum show’s like World vision, it all propaganda. I have Visited Africa, Ghana to be precise and it was great, people were great, Country was peaceful and loving, every black person I met was very nice and they generally were very nice to each other. There was one saying that stuck in my mind, every time some one was eating, they would say “YOU ARE INVITED� meaning you could join them if you chose to. A Whiteman would never say that. I only found my way to Africa because my father traced his ancestry to Cape Coast in Ghana. So Yes you too can trace you ancestry, now you have no excuse to say that you don’t know which part of Africa you came from. Most of what I have read on this site has been generalization about black worldwide. I invite every black person to take one trip to Africa and you will change you perception of the Continent. What we need to do as young Black people is move forward and help African grow as a powerhouse Economically, this way if we get tired of a Whiteman rules and laws we can go to a Black State and live in luxury and not complain that White people are not Just, the Chinese do it so why can’t we. This will only happen once we accept the fact that we are All Africans. By the way My Dad is Jamaican and my Mother is American, but I reside in CANADA but I AM ALL AFRICAN.
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Black N Proud Wrote: "This would be like a Scotsman saying his race is Scottish, his ethnicity/culture isThis would be like a Scotsman saying his race is Scottish, his ethnicity/culture is Scottish, if he chooses to identify as Scottish over White, this is his perogative, but he is still White, like he is still human period. Scottish, if he chooses to identify as Scottish over White, this is his perogative, but he is still White, like he is still human period. "
Africa's a continent and Scotland is a country so this analogy is all wrong, as are you. you still have not progressed from the fact that teh only reason why the concept of Black is so important to you as a marker of your race is so that you can identify yourself with the descendents of west african slaves. we will NEVER agree, so this will be last post on this subject. like i said i don't believe africans have any business doing this.i am right and you are wrong, one day you'll understand this. you subscribe to your race as black, good for you.
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im from  and proud i was born in england but if any1 asks im nigerian cause i luv my country
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Posted: Monday January 17th, 2005 20:29 |
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| gwan blu osun my fellow yoruba breh/sis
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The USMC is over 219 years of romping, stomping, hell, death and destruction. The finest fighting machine the world has ever seen. We were born in a bomb crater, our mother was an M-16 and our father was the devil.
Each moment that I live is an additional threat upon your life. I am a rough looking, roving soldier of the sea. I am cocky, self-centered, overbearing, and I do not know the meaning of fear, for I am fear itself. I am a green, amphibious monster made of blood and guts who arose from the sea, festering on anti-Americans throughout the globe. Whenever it may arise, and when my time comes, I will die a glorious death on the battle field, giving my life to mom, the Corps, and the American flag.
We stole the eagle from the Air Force, the anchor from the Navy, and the rope from the Army. On the 7th day, while God rested, we over-ran his perimeter and stole the globe, and we've been running the show ever since. We live like soldiers and talk like sailors and slap the hell out of both of them. Soldier by day, lover by night, drunkard by choice,
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My parents are both from Jamaica:
- My Mother: St Catherine, Jamaica
- My Father: Mandeville, Jamaica
- My Wife's Mother: Accra, Ghana
My Father passed away a few years ago, and my mum is now a "returnee" living in Mandeville, enjoying life.
Me, I was born in North West London, and now caving out a path to success here in the UK, building on the foundations laid by my parents when they came here in 1965....
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Posted: Wednesday January 19th, 2005 03:46 |
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Blu Oshun wrote: Black N Proud Wrote: "This would be like a Scotsman saying his race is Scottish, his ethnicity/culture isThis would be like a Scotsman saying his race is Scottish, his ethnicity/culture is Scottish, if he chooses to identify as Scottish over White, this is his perogative, but he is still White, like he is still human period. Scottish, if he chooses to identify as Scottish over White, this is his perogative, but he is still White, like he is still human period. "
Africa's a continent and Scotland is a country so this analogy is all wrong, as are you. you still have not progressed from the fact that teh only reason why the concept of Black is so important to you as a marker of your race is so that you can identify yourself with the descendents of west african slaves. we will NEVER agree, so this will be last post on this subject. like i said i don't believe africans have any business doing this.i am right and you are wrong, one day you'll understand this. you subscribe to your race as black, good for you.
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[color=red, direction=135)">My Race: African My Ethnicity: Yoruba
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Like I said, I'm not interested in a ping pong debate, it is this simple=
"Race" has to do with physical features, ie skin colour, hair texture, facial features. Africans, Black Americans, Black Caribbean people, Black Brazillians, they all belong to the same "RACE", whatever you call this race.Wesley Snipes and Kofi Anan belong to the same race= do you dispute this? Diasporan Black people will generally not accept "African" and the word is generally used with cultural/ethnic connotations for Blacks directly from Africa, so we call this race "Black" which, even though many American Blacks don't understand this, means of African DESCENT when referring to people. You say your 'race' is African but you belong to the same race as a Haitian, a Black Brazillian or a Black American, so if your race is African then their race is African, and this is really just an issue of SEMANTICS, substituting 'Black' for 'African'. You clapping for Johnny Bravo makes me think this is just an issue of semantics with you. You don't address my direct points. One thing you don't seem to care is that I identify as African first and foremost. For me to acknowledge I'm a human being doesn't change that I identify with Africans first and foremost, for me to acknowledge I belong to the same 'race' as Black Americans and Black Caribbean people doesn't negate that I have the same (continental) African pride and love you seem too. I never said the concept of 'Black' of was 'so important' to me so I could identify with ' the descendants of West African slaves', we belong to the same 'race' whether I identify with them or not, just like me and an Irish man are both humans period whether I identify with them or not. This seems to be an issue of which is more important to you, and again, I consider myself African first and foremost. I consider my ethnicity to be African and not jut Bemba ('tribe') in particular because I make virtually no distinctions between Africans from different 'tribes' and countries ( which except for Ethiopia, were set up by colonialists ), that means nothing to me, I love all my people.
-race:physical features
- continental Africans, Black Americans, Caribbean Blacks, Black Brazillians, - they all belong to the same 'race', ie. they share the same broad phenotype and are of African descent
Do you or do you not deny those two points? Address that. Is this an issue of semantics with you?
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Parris wrote: The USMC is over 219 years of romping, stomping, hell, death and destruction. The finest fighting machine the world has ever seen. We were born in a bomb crater, our mother was an M-16 and our father was the devil.
Each moment that I live is an additional threat upon your life. I am a rough looking, roving soldier of the sea. I am cocky, self-centered, overbearing, and I do not know the meaning of fear, for I am fear itself. I am a green, amphibious monster made of blood and guts who arose from the sea, festering on anti-Americans throughout the globe. Whenever it may arise, and when my time comes, I will die a glorious death on the battle field, giving my life to mom, the Corps, and the American flag.
We stole the eagle from the Air Force, the anchor from the Navy, and the rope from the Army. On the 7th day, while God rested, we over-ran his perimeter and stole the globe, and we've been running the show ever since. We live like soldiers and talk like sailors and slap the hell out of both of them. Soldier by day, lover by night, drunkard by choice,
MARINE BY GOD!!!
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