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Posted: Wednesday April 26th, 2006 03:19 |
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Sav wrote: I'm African - Egyptian, but not black.
You are not African. Africans are people who come from groups like the Wolof, Yoruba, Zulu, Oromo,Luba,Kikuyu etc. Whites, Arabs, Indians and Berbers (except the Tuareg) born in Africa are not African people.
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Posted: Wednesday April 26th, 2006 07:28 |
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Born in Britain.
Both parents are from Antigua.
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Posted: Wednesday April 26th, 2006 20:01 |
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Shabaka1 wrote: Sav wrote: I'm African - Egyptian, but not black.
You are not African. Africans are people who come from groups like the Wolof, Yoruba, Zulu, Oromo,Luba,Kikuyu etc. Whites, Arabs, Indians and Berbers (except the Tuareg) born in Africa are not African people.
Well we'll have to agree to disagree. I am African. Both my parents and my whole bloodline are 100 per cent Egyptian. I know what I am, I am pure Egyptian. End of.
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Posted: Saturday April 29th, 2006 00:28 |
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| welll born here but sierra leonean parentage.
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Posted: Tuesday June 6th, 2006 10:39 |
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To the girl that stated do you think somalians are black!
A somalian would be recognised straight away as a somalian, rather then a black person.And i would totally agree with that because somalians have different features then black people. If a person would come up and see let's sayyy a somalian, nigerian, ugandan and zimbabwe person. The person would straight away know that the somalian is a somalian whereas wont be sure about the other people origins, hence being stated as black people.
But just because somalians dont look like other blacks.... dont mean they aint black sistah. Somalians,eritereans and ethopians all look different. And these country are all based in East Africa. And if they aint black what are they orange,green or purple.
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Born in the UK to parents who were both from Barbados and so where their parents, yet my first name and my surname are Scottish and the name and its history go back to at least the 15th century.
I think of myself as an International Dude or at least a Black European.. I rarely call myself British or English but understand to keep crossing boxes out on forms is a waste of time.
Visits to Barbados makes me feel like a foreigner and very strange. I don't try to speak with a different tongue, though my clearly cut English accent will dip into a West Indian twang when telling jokes or talking to members of my immediate family.
From a cultural point of view, my family did not go into any great detail as I was growing up in the 50's and 60's nor did my English Education give me many cultural opportunties to educate myself.. Like many, I have adopted the cultural umbrella of England because my youthful history knows no difference..
On the food side of things,, I can cook, man I can cook, been cooking since I was six and can make almost anything out of almost anything. I don't cook Bajan food per se, but I mix my Bajan skills with Indian and Chinese in with some European flavours like French, Italian and Spanish with a sprinkle of Polish and Czech; then I create my own dishes.. we need a area on the board for food cos I could share some dishes that would make a wife out of any man.
How does fresh salmon in Ginger Wine and Briyanni Sauce make you feel, simple dish that just melts in your mouth..
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Posted: Sunday June 18th, 2006 21:27 |
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| I'm 1/4 white, 1/4 indian and half Black. My parents are from trinidad and jamaica, AND NO, i'm not mixed, they are... I'm BLACK. Hate it when folks tell me otherwise.
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wow, all of you are so cultural mixed it's amazing.
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| My dad is brazilian my mom is puerto rican and i was born in puerto rico. i live in the U.S. and consider myself a black american or sometimes black hispanic.
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Posted: Saturday June 24th, 2006 06:08 |
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| My grammy side of the family is from St. croix and granddaddy side of the family is from South Carolina. Grand daddy use to say his ancestors came from Nigeria and today i wonder how he figured that when his ancestors where definitly southern slaves but he is not alive so that I can ask.
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Posted: Saturday July 22nd, 2006 12:53 |
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You are not African. Africans are people who come from groups like the Wolof, Yoruba, Zulu, Oromo,Luba,Kikuyu etc. Whites, Arabs, Indians and Berbers (except the Tuareg) born in Africa are not African people.
Yes they are. Just like anyone born in America is American - that's just it. Ancetsors probably called Africa something else, since Africa was from Ancient Greek travelers.
There are NATIVE Africans just like NATIVE Americans. That's where you put the tribes like Wolof, Luba, et al.
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Posted: Thursday August 17th, 2006 20:29 |
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Born here but my parents got sick of the UK, moved back home and we all grew up there.I've been back in the UK for a while now but consider myself more Cameroonian.
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Posted: Friday August 18th, 2006 12:07 |
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| I don't know my "origin". On my mother's side, all I know is we go back to plantations in Georgia and Virginia. All I can say is that I am African. Perhaps not by culture, but certainly in body, mind, and spirit.
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Posted: Friday August 18th, 2006 12:56 |
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Joonkra wrote: Shabaka1 wrote:
You are not African. Africans are people who come from groups like the Wolof, Yoruba, Zulu, Oromo,Luba,Kikuyu etc. Whites, Arabs, Indians and Berbers (except the Tuareg) born in Africa are not African people.
Yes they are. Just like anyone born in America is American - that's just it. Ancetsors probably called Africa something else, since Africa was from Ancient Greek travelers.
There are NATIVE Africans just like NATIVE Americans. That's where you put the tribes like Wolof, Luba, et al.
I've only been on this site for a little while but I am glad to get here at this time to shatter some of these common misconceptions that are thrown about by people who cannot be bothered to find out about their history.
Egyptians ARE NOT AFRICANS
EGYPT is the name for the land of the rapists of ethiopia and it's empire, culture and heritage
Egyptian was the name given to the "half breed" offspring of an Arab rapist and his African slave, concubine. This name was later given to white people and euroasiatic peoples who settled in Africa as well as the b**tard offspring of a raped African woman.
At no time would an African be called Egyptian. Historians and egyptologists know this which is why you will always go to a museum and see an African exhibit and a separate egyptian one.
Egypt was originally a part of the ethipoian empire which was home to the darkest skinned of africans. Good luck to anyone who doesn't want to believe this, ignorance is bliss.
I am African. I unlike others am not willing to pay homage to the blood of rapists and child molestors that may run through my veins.
I am also not going to pay homage to my host country because it means nothing to me. A fish outside of the sea is still a fish. My location does not determine me.
I am also not going to discount my Africaness because of I have learned the european way. I have chosen to make an effort to regain that which was stolen from me and I have found that I am and my "caribbean" heritage for that matter is not at all far removed from that on an African "tribe".
It is not about "tribe" for me as there are so many different so called tribes in africa that I simply consider mine to be another one that has evolved as have all of the modern day so called tribes from another one which had no european influence.
Anyone who thinks that there is any purity in a so called tribe just because of it's on African soil is sadly mistaken. Anyone who doesn't know that all of Africa has been tainted by the touch of the pink (note I use this as a true description of the skin colour of europeans) man and his euroasiatic counterpart is mistaken.
Sorry if this sounded harsh, just wanted to make my position clear. hope I have not offended anyone with what I have said. I welcome any debate as to the factuality of my statement.
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Posted: Sunday August 20th, 2006 15:12 |
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| I recently found out some interesting things about my family. I always knew my grandmother's side was from st. croix virgin islands and my my grandfather was from the british virgin islands but my other grandfathers family is from south carolina and mississippi and they were slaves who took the last name which is my last name today from their white slave owners who were from yorkshire and london europe. We couldn't find any information on where they came from before slavery but my grandfather use to say nigeria but I always thought how would he know anyway.
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Posted: Sunday August 20th, 2006 17:58 |
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ChubbiChix wrote: I recently found out some interesting things about my family. I always knew my grandmother's side was from st. croix virgin islands and my my grandfather was from the british virgin islands but my other grandfathers family is from south carolina and mississippi and they were slaves who took the last name which is my last name today from their white slave owners who were from yorkshire and london europe. We couldn't find any information on where they came from before slavery but my grandfather use to say nigeria but I always thought how would he know anyway.
I know this is a little off topic but I just wanted to congratulate you sis on finding out about your past and your place in our-story. I hope someday that I have the time to know for sure how my family were taken to the Caribbean islands and from whence they came.
I also wanted to say something to you which I hope you do not take any offence to. I don't think you should refer to your ancestors as slaves, they were never slaves. I see it a lot on this forum and I will be starting a thread asking why people do this but as far as I am concerned my ancestors were never slaves. They were enslaved Africans. Calling them slaves is a part of the degradation of our people that took place both physically and as with this aspect, mentally.
The way I see it is that if someone suffers from a desease such as cancer, people say she has cancer or he suffers from cancer not they are cancer. We suffered a desease, the desease which europeans carry with them always, a chronos complex that they have carried since their greatest kingdom of fools which was ancient Greece. We have suffered from slavery and still suffer from it now but we were never slaves nor are we slaves now, just enslaved Africans.
I just wanted to say that and I know it may seem like I am picking on you seeing as I have said that I've seen it before but today I have free time to post. I know some may see this as simply arguing semantics but I feel strongly about this subject and I will post a separate thread about it later. If you find this to be simply a disagreeable stance to take on this anyone, please tell me but please do so nicely. I often see extremely strong replies to posts like mine so I ask that anyone who has anything to say, please do so calmly.
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| Funny thread, I still wonder if I shoould lay the smackdown...
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Posted: Friday September 8th, 2006 00:02 |
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| Well as far as I know I'm African-American, but my dad told me on his side there's some native american, middle eastern blood and on my mom's side is some carribean and think some white.
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Posted: Friday October 6th, 2006 07:52 |
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RasRuben wrote: Joonkra wrote: Shabaka1 wrote:
You are not African. Africans are people who come from groups like the Wolof, Yoruba, Zulu, Oromo,Luba,Kikuyu etc. Whites, Arabs, Indians and Berbers (except the Tuareg) born in Africa are not African people.
Yes they are. Just like anyone born in America is American - that's just it. Ancetsors probably called Africa something else, since Africa was from Ancient Greek travelers.
There are NATIVE Africans just like NATIVE Americans. That's where you put the tribes like Wolof, Luba, et al.
I've only been on this site for a little while but I am glad to get here at this time to shatter some of these common misconceptions that are thrown about by people who cannot be bothered to find out about their history.
Egyptians ARE NOT AFRICANS
EGYPT is the name for the land of the rapists of ethiopia and it's empire, culture and heritage
Egyptian was the name given to the "half breed" offspring of an Arab rapist and his African slave, concubine. This name was later given to white people and euroasiatic peoples who settled in Africa as well as the b**tard offspring of a raped African woman.
At no time would an African be called Egyptian. Historians and egyptologists know this which is why you will always go to a museum and see an African exhibit and a separate egyptian one.
Egypt was originally a part of the ethipoian empire which was home to the darkest skinned of africans. Good luck to anyone who doesn't want to believe this, ignorance is bliss.
I am African. I unlike others am not willing to pay homage to the blood of rapists and child molestors that may run through my veins.
I am also not going to pay homage to my host country because it means nothing to me. A fish outside of the sea is still a fish. My location does not determine me.
I am also not going to discount my Africaness because of I have learned the european way. I have chosen to make an effort to regain that which was stolen from me and I have found that I am and my "caribbean" heritage for that matter is not at all far removed from that on an African "tribe".
It is not about "tribe" for me as there are so many different so called tribes in africa that I simply consider mine to be another one that has evolved as have all of the modern day so called tribes from another one which had no european influence.
Anyone who thinks that there is any purity in a so called tribe just because of it's on African soil is sadly mistaken. Anyone who doesn't know that all of Africa has been tainted by the touch of the pink (note I use this as a true description of the skin colour of europeans) man and his euroasiatic counterpart is mistaken.
Sorry if this sounded harsh, just wanted to make my position clear. hope I have not offended anyone with what I have said. I welcome any debate as to the factuality of my statement.
You should atleast know that the first people to be referred to as Africans were not Wolof or Zulus or other tribes you mentioned, but none other than North Africans whom the Romans first referred to as Africans..after the Roman general who conquered the region. You should also know that Arabs did not change the look of Egypt since Arabs conquered the land from Romans who conquered from the Greeks and before the Greeks Egypt had many other conquerers...but even that Egyptians were always people of diverse mix race and not something that can easily be labelled black or white. Finally should know that the word "Egypt" is not an Arabic word but a Greek word.
"The name Africa came into Western use through the Romans, who used the name Africa terra — "land of the Afri" (plural, or "Afer" singular) — for the northern part of the continent, as the province of Africa with its capital Carthage, corresponding to modern-day Tunisia.
The Afri were a tribe — possibly Berber — who dwelt in North Africa in the Carthage area. The origin of Afer may be connected with Phoenician `afar, dust (also found in most other Semitic languages); some other etymologies that have been postulated for the ancient name 'Africa' that are much more debatable include:"
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Posted: Friday October 6th, 2006 09:54 |
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Mukthar wrote: RasRuben wrote: Joonkra wrote: Shabaka1 wrote:
You are not African. Africans are people who come from groups like the Wolof, Yoruba, Zulu, Oromo,Luba,Kikuyu etc. Whites, Arabs, Indians and Berbers (except the Tuareg) born in Africa are not African people.
Yes they are. Just like anyone born in America is American - that's just it. Ancetsors probably called Africa something else, since Africa was from Ancient Greek travelers.
There are NATIVE Africans just like NATIVE Americans. That's where you put the tribes like Wolof, Luba, et al.
I've only been on this site for a little while but I am glad to get here at this time to shatter some of these common misconceptions that are thrown about by people who cannot be bothered to find out about their history.
Egyptians ARE NOT AFRICANS
EGYPT is the name for the land of the rapists of ethiopia and it's empire, culture and heritage
Egyptian was the name given to the "half breed" offspring of an Arab rapist and his African slave, concubine. This name was later given to white people and euroasiatic peoples who settled in Africa as well as the b**tard offspring of a raped African woman.
At no time would an African be called Egyptian. Historians and egyptologists know this which is why you will always go to a museum and see an African exhibit and a separate egyptian one.
Egypt was originally a part of the ethipoian empire which was home to the darkest skinned of africans. Good luck to anyone who doesn't want to believe this, ignorance is bliss.
I am African. I unlike others am not willing to pay homage to the blood of rapists and child molestors that may run through my veins.
I am also not going to pay homage to my host country because it means nothing to me. A fish outside of the sea is still a fish. My location does not determine me.
I am also not going to discount my Africaness because of I have learned the european way. I have chosen to make an effort to regain that which was stolen from me and I have found that I am and my "caribbean" heritage for that matter is not at all far removed from that on an African "tribe".
It is not about "tribe" for me as there are so many different so called tribes in africa that I simply consider mine to be another one that has evolved as have all of the modern day so called tribes from another one which had no european influence.
Anyone who thinks that there is any purity in a so called tribe just because of it's on African soil is sadly mistaken. Anyone who doesn't know that all of Africa has been tainted by the touch of the pink (note I use this as a true description of the skin colour of europeans) man and his euroasiatic counterpart is mistaken.
Sorry if this sounded harsh, just wanted to make my position clear. hope I have not offended anyone with what I have said. I welcome any debate as to the factuality of my statement.
You should atleast know that the first people to be referred to as Africans were not Wolof or Zulus or other tribes you mentioned, but none other than North Africans whom the Romans first referred to as Africans..after the Roman general who conquered the region. You should also know that Arabs did not change the look of Egypt since Arabs conquered the land from Romans who conquered from the Greeks and before the Greeks Egypt had many other conquerers...but even that Egyptians were always people of diverse mix race and not something that can easily be labelled black or white. Finally should know that the word "Egypt" is not an Arabic word but a Greek word.
"The name Africa came into Western use through the Romans, who used the name Africa terra — "land of the Afri" (plural, or "Afer" singular) — for the northern part of the continent, as the province of Africa with its capital Carthage, corresponding to modern-day Tunisia.
The Afri were a tribe — possibly Berber — who dwelt in North Africa in the Carthage area. The origin of Afer may be connected with Phoenician `afar, dust (also found in most other Semitic languages); some other etymologies that have been postulated for the ancient name 'Africa' that are much more debatable include:"
Greetings. I have taken the liberty of highlighting the section of the original you used that was actually mine.
Secondly i would like to address certain aspects of your post. I am well aware of the fact that it was not all at one point called Africa but it is the only terminology I have to use as the records that were kept by Africans of their history were burned by invaders of all shapes and forms. The earliest known name used to refer ro the whole of the continent is ethiopia and that name was given by the greeks and is rather derogatory so I will stick to Africa until I learn it's true name.
Your chronology is slightly off. Arab traders were the first outsiders to settle in what is now called Egypt. Greeks came later and the Romans and Persians after that. You are only talking about the order of war invasion. I am talking about the order of settlement in any form be it as students or traders and the arabs were the first traders there.
You will find that what was called the Ethiopian Empire (present day eastern Africa including Egypt and Sudan and Ethiopia etc) Is the first Civilisation this planet has ever seen. You will also find that at one time, there were nobody but Africans there because other peoples had not gone there yet. You will also find that up until the 28th dynasty, with the exception of two, all rulers were of African origin. It has not "always" been a mixed place. documents that show this mix are from later mixed egypt, there are no documents that show any outsider from before 6000 BC and the first dynasty is postulated to have existed from about 5996 BC after the first invasion was squashed.
PS, I never said Egypt was an Arab word I said it was the name given to the child of an Arab and the African woman he raped. I know it is a Greek word and it literally means half breed. Read my original post again and you will see that you made a little mistake, probably because you feel I have said something wrong and are a little heated. You should try researching pre-dynastic egypt. You will find it was a very much African ("black") area.
Again I welcome all debate on this issue.
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my family make up is quite random...(or so i am told )
my fathers somali (east african)
and my mothers italian and egyptian 
my familys divided in their religious beliefs and practices also whereby by fathers family are sunni muslims and my mothers are predominately roman catholics. BUT they all seem to get along wonderfully and im blessed and proud of the different places and cultures that make up ME. I have had the great opportunity to visit all of these spectacular places and get to know the diversity which is my family. I have have learnt a great deal thanx to my well educated parents who never stopped me from asking questions and feeding my thirst for knowledge of where i fit in the world. As a result of this im currently doing my MA in the classical and anthropological studies.
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Posted: Friday October 20th, 2006 02:04 |
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for those who are making inaccurate and absurd comments (you know who you are) i advice you to put a little more effort into researching your "ideas" rather than making radom claims!!!
this is all i will say in the matter
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