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Posted: Wednesday November 12th, 2003 17:35 |
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Wha blow people just wondering where your parents are from I wanna see how culturally diverse we are.Me my mothers is Jamaican and my father from Barbados (hard whiiiine)... Shinobi
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Posted: Wednesday November 12th, 2003 17:46 |
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Posted: Thursday November 13th, 2003 01:21 |
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Posted: Thursday November 13th, 2003 02:36 |
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| c'mon cash... surely you can do better than that!!!!
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Posted: Thursday November 13th, 2003 02:50 |
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Alright blud ,  I waas only jokin
My origins: 
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Posted: Thursday November 13th, 2003 04:00 |
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| xaymaca AKA Jamaica.
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Posted: Thursday November 13th, 2003 05:56 |
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c'mon cash... surely you can do better than that!!!!
what about YOU untitled? at least he gave an answer!
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Posted: Thursday November 13th, 2003 06:17 |
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Dad from Jamaica and his dad is Cuban. Mum with German father and mum born in New Zealand.
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Posted: Thursday November 13th, 2003 07:23 |
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Posted: Thursday November 13th, 2003 08:15 |
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| Both parents are from Guyana.
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Posted: Thursday November 13th, 2003 19:40 |
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Posted: Thursday November 13th, 2003 20:54 |
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Well, To determinate my origins is simple
to know who I am is another thing.............
Mum and Dad come straight from Cameroun in Africa 
I was born in France 
But live in the UK  , which make me an European?
I can't speak patois, I can't cook any African specialities, I am stranger to traditions and History can I call myself an African?
I don't know anymore, Am I just an African born in Europe or an European with African roots?
Wonder if I marry a mixed race Indian-African-Caribbean guy, what will be my children origins?
To know Where we from is a thing, to maintain our culture is another.
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Posted: Thursday November 13th, 2003 21:11 |
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I feel English...as in black English.
I LOVE Afrika....its people, wildlife, culture etc etc...but im not Afrikan and don't feel Afrikan
My father's Jamaican(land of sun and RUM)
My Mother's Bajan (riiiight...lol)
I don't feel either, even when im in those countries...da locals dem know your foreign...
im just ME(and proud to be).
p.s elegance, ever thought about the reason why you can't get a man is because you can't cook!
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Posted: Thursday November 13th, 2003 21:51 |
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Well, To determinate my origins is simple
to know who I am is another thing.............
Mum and Dad come straight from Cameroun in Africa
I was born in France
But live in the UK , which make me an European?
I can't speak patois, I can't cook any African specialities, I am stranger to traditions and History can I call myself an African?
I don't know anymore, Am I just an African born in Europe or an European with African roots?
Wonder if I marry a mixed race Indian-African-Caribbean guy, what will be my children origins?
To know Where we from is a thing, to maintain our culture is another.
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Elegance - but your parents are African so how can you not consider yourself African? Your story is not much different from most of us Africans born and/or raised in the Diaspora and yet most Nigerians I know who were born in the UK/US still consider themselves Nigerian. So it seems that the measure to which you embrace your African heritage and maintain your culture is entirely up to YOU; sounds to me, though, that you'd prefer to embrace European culture but feel guilt for doing so? Stand confidently next to what you declare without angst or guilt.
Btw - I only learnt to cook Nigerian food when i got to Uni and that was only because I took it upon myself to learn! you are what you say you are.
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Posted: Thursday November 13th, 2003 23:33 |
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I can relate to elegance, but a lil differently. I think for me and generations of my family since slavery and most blacks living in America have been classified first as Negro, Afro, now African American. I sometimes don't think it's a true classification for us. Especially when most of us is a mixture of many races and maybe never in a day of our lives ever been or lived in Africa. We don't even knows what specific African Culture we belong to whether it be Caribbean,Guayan,Nigera or etc. Because Im not a TrueBlooded African I wonder if sometimes most true Africans feel offend when we Black Americans classify ourselves as African?...I do have Irish and Native American(BlackfootIndian) traits but no matter Im African thats my ancestors my heritage a large part of who Im am...Im truly proud & Blessed to Grace this Earth in such a Royalty
Im African(Black)Amercian 
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Posted: Thursday November 13th, 2003 23:39 |
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 @ kwese, I'll never talk of my cooking during the First date ( I'll lie anyway)
Honey, I do cook a bit of everyting but don't ask me to cook a Ndole or Coki ( I sure can eat it but not cook it) , that's all
I read something interesting in previous replies regarding your feeling of not belonging to Africa.
The nationality African doesn't exists but the Race African do (To me)
We all originate from Africa (got no evidence ) someone who was Born in the Carribean and whose parents, Grand parents and previous Ancestors were born there too, couldn't be called an African but Will be an individual of African descent, so do you acknowledge that past or do you consider that your roots got nothing to do with Africa?
@ happiness, I could consider myself as an African but I am not lying to myself,
Knowing who I am (We Are) leads me (us) to move forward.
We "African born in Europe" are different from the Local ones, where were you born?
You never suffered of a cultural shock when going to Nigeria?
Despite getting a straight, tough African education, I have been to the "White people" school as a result I have adopted some of their values/views/manners/speeches.
Believe me I spend 20 years of my life saying I am a Camerounian, I am in heart but not in Acts. I have a different lifestyle, way of thinking, way of seeing life as We earn more money in Europe, we spent differently, have different concerns (what I am going to eat today vs How I am going to pay my mortgage?)
I am not proud of it but I (we) have some white subjectivity in me (us) : look how disguting is Female Circumcision?, what that smell? oh poor third world! who is Cheik Anta Diop again, better buy the last J-Lo CD? I will never shave my head if my uncle dies , what with the tribal marks, it hurts?
or We consider AIDS as a fatal illness here but most of my cousins don't believe it exists and whenever I hear that I go all patronising, raising eyesbrows (that's the way i have been taught in Europe)
Seing realities of life with a different look of the ones living in Africa ( I am not saying all of them, I am talking about the majority )
that's why I have introduced the Children issue, I won't be able to transfer them my african culture as I am unaware of it (I am trying to learn it now but the gap is too wide)
Sad to say but I am a "Benguiste!!!!!!!" (Slang camerounian word to call the Africans born in Europe and their european manners)
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Posted: Friday November 14th, 2003 02:45 |
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@ kwese, I'll never talk of my cooking during the First date ( I'll lie anyway)
Honey, I do cook a bit of everyting but don't ask me to cook a Ndole or Coki ( I sure can eat it but not cook it) , that's all
I read something interesting in previous replies regarding your feeling of not belonging to Africa.
The nationality African doesn't exists but the Race African do (To me)
We all originate from Africa (got no evidence  someone who was Born in the Carribean and whose parents, Grand parents and previous Ancestors were born there too, couldn't be called an African but Will be an individual of African descent, so do you acknowledge that past or do you consider that your roots got nothing to do with Africa?
I don't feel Afrikan because i don't know Afrika and Afrika doesn't Know me...i guess we are strangers when you think about it. I DO acknowledge the past and i'm very very proud to be part of that amazing piece of land. However i'm not fooled by the concept of "mother Afrika", meaning we should honour our natural bond with her...i'm afraid the bond is broken...i cannot fake it by saying we should return "home" and act Afrikan when we are clearly not. We have been shaped by our history and environment, each and eveyone of us is unique...so lets all appreciate this rather than trying to fit into a group which does not reflect us.
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Posted: Friday November 14th, 2003 03:50 |
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both parents from Jamaica. lived in the USA for a long time. however always see myself as caribbean/west indian. i would usually describe myself as a JamBrit.
Lalia i dont wholly agree with you as not everyone in the caribbean comes from the African Diaspora. One of my great granmas is a mix of Jamaican Indian and Black Caribbean.
I wonder if anyone is a native australian eg aborigine?
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Posted: Friday November 14th, 2003 14:08 |
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Elegance wrote:
I read something interesting in previous replies regarding your feeling of not belonging to Africa.
The nationality African doesn't exists but the Race African do (To me)
We all originate from Africa (got no evidence  someone who was Born in the Carribean and whose parents, Grand parents and previous Ancestors were born there too, couldn't be called an African but Will be an individual of African descent, so do you acknowledge that past or do you consider that your roots got nothing to do with Africa?
I agree Africa is origin for all mankind all Races which is really no such thing because we all our one...I've got facts to back that claim check it out....
I am a descendent of Africa living in America so my nationality is American my Race is African Thanxs elegance that makes good sense to me
I do acknowledge my past my roots, but they are far and inbetween yet nowhere cause I don't know Africa but only African American a term the government of my country label us for consensus purposes and other motives. Much of what Kwese stated I feel exactly the same thanxs bro for that...
@Ladyday
Yes I was mistaken in labeling Caribbean apart of the Africa Dispora.
Please Define Africa Dispora? for me I have a partially understand of what it means....just need to clarity on it.
thanxs..
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Posted: Friday November 14th, 2003 17:49 |
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@ Kwese, I agree with you, I believe Caribbeans have got their own Identity and History
I am just pointing the fact that many of the Carribeans denie the past , For example Ladyday ( Hun I am not being judgemental), says
"Lalia i dont wholly agree with you as not everyone in the caribbean comes from the African Diaspora. One of my great granmas is a mix of Jamaican Indian and Black Caribbean.",I am tempted to ask where the Black Carribeans originate from?
I have heard Ladyday's speechover and over, I undestand it as a lack of knowledge, the shame of sharing the same blood as people belonging to the poorest continent in earth.
No one requested Carribeans to adopt African Culture but at least to recognise
Being of an African descent even if their blood got mixed with Native Indian, White etc....
My best friend(she is a Cooli) has been looking for ages her African roots (where her ancestors where from in Africa), she can eat african dishes and dance on African music but she is proud of being a Carribean. She is the one who taught me the "Knowing where you from from help you move forward"
In the other hand, I made the difference clear between origin ( A beginning or starting-point; a source.Thesaurus: beginning, cause, root, source, descent, derivation, birth, inception)
and Culture (The customs, ideas, values, etc of a particular civilization, society or social group, especially at a particular time.Thesaurus: civilization, society, customs, habits, conventions, religion, history, humanism)
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Posted: Friday November 14th, 2003 18:58 |
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@LadyDay I agree My sir name is Campbell which is a scottish sir name infact there's probably nuff people on this sight with that sir name.My grandmother is mixed raced not sure where her origins are from I think Chinese is in there some where and obviously scottish. I heard through the grape vine that there isn't a west Indian person alive that is 100% black is this true? .Once again the thread is takin itz envitable trail of evolution.Shinobi
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Posted: Friday November 14th, 2003 19:09 |
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@ elegance - you took the words out of my mouth regarding Ladydays comment on "black carribean"! But I am confused....if you can make the subsequent statements that you made to her, why are you so confused about YOUR identity? you are African...take on whatever culture you like...but you are still African. I hate to say it but I find that you are doing the same thing that you accuse ladyday of.....but yours is worse because YOUR parents are actually African
(doesnt it bother you to watch your friend search for something that you hold so readily within your grasp?)
@ Ladyday - I too would like to understand what you mean by "African Diaspora". It seems like a contradiction in terms but perhaps I am wrong.
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Posted: Friday November 14th, 2003 20:44 |
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@ happiness
Background, culture is African,
Nationality, identity is not..............
that's where the confusion begins, As I said aware I am not "African" in a way of Locals who were born, live and will die over there.
Easy to say we are all africans: Read my previous post, you have 2 ways of understanding the statement
Choose the way you want take it .
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Background, culture is African,
Nationality, identity is not..............
that's where the confusion begins, As I said aware I am not "African" in a way of Locals who were born, live and will die over there.
Easy to say we are all africans: Read my previous post, you have 2 ways of understanding the statement
Choose the way you want take it.
That wasn't necessary.
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Posted: Friday November 14th, 2003 20:57 |
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@ Shinobi
Black is not African
The question was not about being 100% black but was about being of an African origin
Are you Shinobi?
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