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Posted: Saturday April 21st, 2007 13:56 |
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he was paranoid, that is very clear, but whether this paranoia was induced or not is a totally different story.
i have gathered a lot of information on organized stalking and can state with certainty that though young black males are more likely to be victimized by the judicial system in the west, that we are aware of this institutionalized racism and do talk and sing about it, what Tupac alludes to in his lyrics goes far beyond the usual. we talk about being stopped by the police, about prison sentences that are often longer than those of our white counterparts, of being disproportionately jailed, of being passed over for promotion, etc., but the young rapper actually enters territory many of us do not want to know about, territory and experiences that are so extreme most people's imaginations are left wanting, and those who insist on the line of approach will sooner than later be considered psychos, or sickos who do not want to come to terms with their illness. he enters territory reserved for the consious, and I do believe he makes this entry knowingly, hence his usual statement "N's aint ready for the life of an outlaw (enemy of the state?)"...
i have come to the conclusion that this fear of being considered abnormal happens to be the reason Tupac hid within or mixed his lyrics with statements that refer to things only people who are going through organized stalking know about. he put these into his songs in such a manner as not to raise too much attention to them, hoping they would be picked up by those who were conscious. on one thing we can all agree, and this is that Tupac did it more than all rapers and other black singers combined, and he went further than any had or has since.
consider the following line from the song Picture Me Rollin'
My dreams is censored, my hopes are gone
I'm like a fiend that finally sees when all the dope is gone
My nerves is wrecked, heart beatin and my hands is swollen
or the following line from Ambitionz Az A Ridah
it was my only wish to rise
above these jealous coward mutherf**kers I despise
When it's time to ride, I was the first off this side, give me the nine
I'm ready to die right here tonight, and motherf**k they life (yeah N****r!)
That's what they screamin as they drill me, but I'm hard to kill
So open fire, I see you kill me (that's all you N****rz got?) witness my steel
Spittin at adversaries envious and after me
I'd rather die before they capture me, watch me bleed
Mama come rescue me I'm suicidal thinkin thoughts
I'm innocent, so there'll be bullets flyin when I'm caught
(Shoot!) f**k doin jail time, better day, sacrifice
Won't get a chance to do me like they did my N****r Tyson
Thuggin for life and if you right then N****r die for it
Let them other brothers try, at least you tried for it
and, more revealingly, the psychological state of a man who would write the following line from the song Troublesome 96
God to forgive me cause it's wrong but I plan to die
Need to take me in heaven and understand I was a sheep
Did the best I could, raised in insanity
Or send me to hell cause I ain't beggin' for my life
Ain't nothing worse than this cursed ass hopeless life
and so on. just go through his lyrics, careful that you get the best text as most are faulty, and you will come accross references to either strange bodily effects, extraneous surveillance, a constant and evil presence, covert harrassment, and retorts that seem aimed or are supposed to be answers to a third party, at statements he is getting from the "other side"; almost everything that individuals who have been isolated for organized stalking will talk about, at the same time displaying the very exact behaviour of such.
Tupac Shakur was under intense organized stalking the likes of which the young founders of the Black Panther Party, especially Huey P. Newton, are known to have gone through, the kinds of adverse physical effects individuals like Assata Shakur had in prison; stalking so intense and severe the individual actually changes, his personality becoming the outcome of this experience. he was isolated and attacked, and i do believe that these attacks were sometimes carried out right in front of his friends who would have been non the wiser.
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Posted: Sunday April 22nd, 2007 02:40 |
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Tupac was a victim of his own slave foolishness. He was nothing more than a hoe for Suge Knight. He was a lover of violence who promoted nothing but dope, hatred, and murders in the Black community. That's why he is rotting underground now while his pimp Suge Knight is enjoying all his money.
I'm sick of Tupac being glorified when he was nothing but a worthless thug. You want to talk Tupac lyrics?
From "Crooked Ass N****r"
Now I could be a crooked N****r too
When I'm rollin with my crew, watch what crooked N****rz, do!
I got a nine millimeter Glock pistol
I'm ready to get witcha at the drop, of a whistle
So make your move, and act like you wanna flip
I fire thirteen shots, and pop another clip
I bring luck, my Glock's like a f**kin mop
The more I shot, the more motherf**kers dropped
This is exactly what the Black youth need- more stupid sissy thugs glorifying violence against Black folks and calling us N****rs.
From "Bury me a G"
at 6 o'clock in tha mornin'
hand's on my glock
eye's on tha prize
finger on tha trigga when a N****r rides
shootin' craps
bustin' N****rs out tha door
pick my money off tha floor
god bless tha tre-four
stuck on full, drunk again
sippin' on Gin
with a couple of friends
sayin' those thug life N****rs be like major pimps
Thanking God for the weapons he is using against his own people...he probably got struck down so early in life for abusing the Lord's Name so much.
From "Ambitionz as a Rider"
now fire
when ready, stay watchin now figure, increase speed
Make you motherf**kers bleed from your mouth quicker
Plus all these N****rz that you run with, be on some dumb sh*t
Trick on the hoes, I ain't the one b**ch
Holla my name and witness game official, it's so sick
Have every single b**ch that came witchu, on my dick
Plus this alcohol increases the chance to be deceased
The alcohol increases the chance to be deceased?? So because he chooses to go and get drunk more Black folks have to die? Tupac, you truly got what you deserved. I hope the following coons suffer the same fate:
Snoop Dogg, 50 Cent, Ludacris, Lil Jon, Ice Cube, & Lil Kim.
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Posted: Sunday April 22nd, 2007 18:02 |
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^ .lol.
Didn't really take to Pac at the time, was/am more of a biggie fan. you'll be surprised how much people still rate the guy (pac) know some Albanians more or less fresh from Albania who went off and got, "Thug life" tattooed across them, for real, if anyone knows about the greeks and how much they worship the guy up here in north london...
Anyway, the guy was smart he wasn't your 50 cent, lil john, or snoop. Even though some of them are actually quite clued up but stick to character. To delve into things I do think certain artists or groups are put in the public eye, or are thrown into things for what ever reason. The Beetles, for example were into the occult, Elvis was dragged into certain things and some talk about things in their lyrics that make sence if you know about the esoteric, some of it is quite blatant, 'Hotel california' is one, a lot of it is left over psyco babble from the 60s and 70s but anyway its not hard to belive that Pac was one of those people I mean he was connected to the Panters for one thing, if he had the time to mature he probably would've become more consious. Anyone with a large following becomes a 'threat' and may find themselves being watched. Malcom x was 'spooked' on his trip to the east saying that he thought the N.O.I were watching and had plans for him but that there was another more powerful group involved (I forget his exact words) he must've already known what the U.S government was capable of.
To rule through secrecy you have to prop up leaders, give people trojan horses to maintain control theres no doubt that there are a few out there.
What I find more intresting is your intrest in surveillance Tolone. Sometimes people create their own ghosts. Fine not taking things at face value but I don't see the point in over conserning about those values either. What are you into to be worried about surveillance? What sould us consious folk be worried about?
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Posted: Tuesday May 1st, 2007 17:15 |
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There is/was a reason I was asking dude... not calling you out or anything.
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Posted: Friday May 4th, 2007 14:35 |
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the Suge Night situation after prison was actually part of a set-up... the usual. this was a surround and take control of the person kind of thing where snitches were already employed on the inside of Death Row way before the bail money was paid. I do not want to name names but it's not like this is not known in certain circles, and most of it is already put out on DVD. Tupac after prison was still in prison, thrown to the dogs, so to say. this isn't a surprising thing since the emasculated man was really afraid of the young man and this is how he usually does regarding.
if this prison out of prison situation i refer to is hard to comprende then think similar to how many ignant Africans get set up with booby strapped women, by the man, and get tamed. Tupac knew he had been set up, though, and he does tell it as it is. you just need to read between the lines of his lyrics, rather than concentrate on language (obscene).
there is something else about his violent stance against other blacks that can also easily be extenuated, which is caused by knowledge of the difference between N****rs and Africans, and the role each plays in the state of the group. N****rs happen to be the most ignorant of Africans, the thick brained brethren in our midst, who for this reason are easy recruitment material as massa's pawns used to pulverise our race. when people say "it is not them that is killing us but us that is killing us" they actually are talking about the enslaved/colonized element, the very N****rs in our midst on whom we require to put a lid otherwise perish. I am talking those individuals who will consult massa about what you tell them because they are not sure what to think of it. I am talking individuals who need massa to think and act. without them our enslavement and colonization would have been impossible, and observe they got enslaved and colonized themselves despite so much butt sucking, and the descendants of these very people are still absolutely disagreable and as dangerous to the race as they were at the time... so sure I do agree with Tupac. I would also like to put an end to a lot of them in the same manner he says, even worse in my case cause i am thinking "gas them and light them" and still some more after watching beheading videos.
lol... just kidding...
oh yes! I am also as angry as the young man was and realize where I stand regarding these and the other side. I realize the dimentions of this war against on-good-dependent evil destined for defeat because of this relationship, know it has to start first with dum ass N****rs, then with the man. I know Africa will need a leader more ruthless than Mao to correct/get rid of this element that is actually quite easy to spot and eliminate, and realize it is just a matter of time before we get such a leader.
@apedemak
What I find more intresting is your intrest in surveillance Tolone. Sometimes people create their own ghosts. Fine not taking things at face value but I don't see the point in over conserning about those values either. What are you into to be worried about surveillance? What sould us consious folk be worried about?
i am not overly concerned with surveillance in the literal sense of the word, but covert control of Africans that also manifests as squatting of some specific lives in the manner I state, an agenda whose sole aim is to chomp away at the race, to keep us from knowing what is going on, most importantly from rediscovering who we really are, to keep us in one place, going nowhere, without us realizing how it is being done, let alone that this is what is happening to us; the ultimate aim of which is our extirpation... but first we have to be milked of something deemed valuable by this other side that we are also not aware of... something that maybe only the people being targeted thusly are aware of? what we are talking about here is a battle that is not a hundred years old, is not initiated by the needs of a modern day Nation State via the CIA or the Free Masons. i could go off on a limb here but suffice to say the truth shall be revealed, in due time. we just need to get more of our people out of this alternate reality and into the one that makes sense of such strange happenings.
behind all of these happenings are cults. the reasons they invade specific African's lives in the manner they do have already been worked out. they are well within our reach when we get an understanding of just what it is that ails the man. rather than use conventional thinking that in itself is alternate reality that actually masks the truth, getting to grips with reality considered esoteric makes us see that behind the veil lurks a creature so insecure, so lost and complexed, so confused he actually realizes he is the architect of his own doom but cannot help self. problem is he is holding on to others as he goes about fumbling in the dark, as he fumbles ever closer to the precipice to self destruction, afraid all the way if he lets go of those he holds in his grip he will lose it completely. this means he will take everyone else with him when he goes down, which is why it becomes vital to be thinking extrication.
I am concerned with the very same kind of surveillance in my own life because I know it is happening to me. even though I have been left with no honest place to stand, I refuse to be quiet about the situation because I know silence only makes the whole thing possible. the methods used are subtle, clingy, and brutal to the extent he is quite prepared to use baiting, just like they did with the Jews in Hitler's Germany. all that is happening with me in my neighbourhood is his work, do not let anyone fool you about this. he's got me cornered, believe that, and do not come at me, like some poeple are doing, with pieces of advice about what I should do to stop this or that from happening because you will always be besides the point as far as I am concerned since only I and the perp witness/know the actual acts.
just this weekend I was at the police station in an attempt to get a sattement made about the fact i am noticing break-ins every three to four days a week in my flat, whereby nothing is taken. all I wanted was a statement, something that I could use to show I have been to the police already, but then I was told it is not possible to get even that since the intruders are not taking anything away, nor are they leaving signs they were there that are clearly visible, rather than the subtle ones only I register. now, this is the kind of "surveillance" that interests me. why in heavens name would anyone go to such extents. what is it about me that makes such acts necesary. what makes all the lying about what is really happening necesary? this kind of surveillance is writ large in many of our people's lives, including Tupac. obviously, the instances of such intrusion into another person's life that have come to light are just the tip of the iceberg. many more of our people have gone down and are going down as we speak and their tale will not be told. what's important to keep in mind is this kind of surevillance has a purpose, and there is no being contended about that.
i would actually not have been able to know they were surreptitiously entering my property if I was not in the habbit of setting small traps here and there, photographing the locations of things before I leave the premises, and I know I would not have survived whatever they are doing in my place (i do not think they are so eager to get in there so many times a week for the sake of it) if I was not taking a whole lot of precautions. any lapse in security measures and I hurt. the best thing is to leave the place, but then the intensity of the battle is such that I am pretty much pinned down. need help but then they are attacking anyone who as much as stretches a helping hand in my direction. for real, man. not the kind of stuff that happens on a daily basis, not the kind of stuff within most people's imaginations, and I do not fault people for making the wrong conclusions since they are left with no choice but to use that which they know to explain things what they are observing.Last edited on Friday May 4th, 2007 14:58 by Toloane
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Posted: Friday May 4th, 2007 15:38 |
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Pin hole cameras. You might even have a duppie in the house.
Can understand what you're saying though, am friends with a lady from south africa looking to start an eco villiage in Zimbabwe, shes weary of things for example, email service going down for no reason... emails not getting through to people but no delivery report bouncing back. Certain things it'd be illadvised against to do out in South Africa. Just a bit safer here in the UK.
As you said it may not even be Mi5 or anything but certain people who don't want things happening ESPECIALLY in south africa where the europeans are prepared to hire ''security'' services in an attempt to keep people down.
Can you call a man out hunting in the jungle, ''paranoid'' when he hears a twig snap in the dark? Doubt it.
Pac had too much to say and with a following he would have become a threat to certain people including drug dealers and the usual suspects, same with John Lennon, Bob Marley, Garnett Silk and others who have died in suspisious circumstances.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LQ4FvfM9Ftk&mode=related&search=
http://youtube.com/watch?v=wP02bz7n1Us
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Posted: Friday May 4th, 2007 23:09 |
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Toloane wrote: the Suge Night situation after prison was actually part of a set-up... the usual. this was a surround and take control of the person kind of thing where snitches were already employed on the inside of Death Row way before the bail money was paid. I do not want to name names but it's not like this is not known in certain circles, and most of it is already put out on DVD. Tupac after prison was still in prison, thrown to the dogs, so to say. this isn't a surprising thing since the emasculated man was really afraid of the young man and this is how he usually does regarding.
if this prison out of prison situation i refer to is hard to comprende then think similar to how many ignant Africans get set up with booby strapped women, by the man, and get tamed. Tupac knew he had been set up, though, and he does tell it as it is. you just need to read between the lines of his lyrics, rather than concentrate on language (obscene).
there is something else about his violent stance against other blacks that can also easily be extenuated, which is caused by knowledge of the difference between N****rs and Africans, and the role each plays in the state of the group. N****rs happen to be the most ignorant of Africans, the thick brained brethren in our midst, who for this reason are easy recruitment material as massa's pawns used to pulverise our race. when people say "it is not them that is killing us but us that is killing us" they actually are talking about the enslaved/colonized element, the very N****rs in our midst on whom we require to put a lid otherwise perish. I am talking those individuals who will consult massa about what you tell them because they are not sure what to think of it. I am talking individuals who need massa to think and act. without them our enslavement and colonization would have been impossible, and observe they got enslaved and colonized themselves despite so much butt sucking, and the descendants of these very people are still absolutely disagreable and as dangerous to the race as they were at the time... so sure I do agree with Tupac. I would also like to put an end to a lot of them in the same manner he says, even worse in my case cause i am thinking "gas them and light them" and still some more after watching beheading videos.
lol... just kidding...
oh yes! I am also as angry as the young man was and realize where I stand regarding these and the other side. I realize the dimentions of this war against on-good-dependent evil destined for defeat because of this relationship, know it has to start first with dum ass N****rs, then with the man. I know Africa will need a leader more ruthless than Mao to correct/get rid of this element that is actually quite easy to spot and eliminate, and realize it is just a matter of time before we get such a leader.
@apedemak
What I find more intresting is your intrest in surveillance Tolone. Sometimes people create their own ghosts. Fine not taking things at face value but I don't see the point in over conserning about those values either. What are you into to be worried about surveillance? What sould us consious folk be worried about?
i am not overly concerned with surveillance in the literal sense of the word, but covert control of Africans that also manifests as squatting of some specific lives in the manner I state, an agenda whose sole aim is to chomp away at the race, to keep us from knowing what is going on, most importantly from rediscovering who we really are, to keep us in one place, going nowhere, without us realizing how it is being done, let alone that this is what is happening to us; the ultimate aim of which is our extirpation... but first we have to be milked of something deemed valuable by this other side that we are also not aware of... something that maybe only the people being targeted thusly are aware of? what we are talking about here is a battle that is not a hundred years old, is not initiated by the needs of a modern day Nation State via the CIA or the Free Masons. i could go off on a limb here but suffice to say the truth shall be revealed, in due time. we just need to get more of our people out of this alternate reality and into the one that makes sense of such strange happenings.
behind all of these happenings are cults. the reasons they invade specific African's lives in the manner they do have already been worked out. they are well within our reach when we get an understanding of just what it is that ails the man. rather than use conventional thinking that in itself is alternate reality that actually masks the truth, getting to grips with reality considered esoteric makes us see that behind the veil lurks a creature so insecure, so lost and complexed, so confused he actually realizes he is the architect of his own doom but cannot help self. problem is he is holding on to others as he goes about fumbling in the dark, as he fumbles ever closer to the precipice to self destruction, afraid all the way if he lets go of those he holds in his grip he will lose it completely. this means he will take everyone else with him when he goes down, which is why it becomes vital to be thinking extrication.
I am concerned with the very same kind of surveillance in my own life because I know it is happening to me. even though I have been left with no honest place to stand, I refuse to be quiet about the situation because I know silence only makes the whole thing possible. the methods used are subtle, clingy, and brutal to the extent he is quite prepared to use baiting, just like they did with the Jews in Hitler's Germany. all that is happening with me in my neighbourhood is his work, do not let anyone fool you about this. he's got me cornered, believe that, and do not come at me, like some poeple are doing, with pieces of advice about what I should do to stop this or that from happening because you will always be besides the point as far as I am concerned since only I and the perp witness/know the actual acts.
just this weekend I was at the police station in an attempt to get a sattement made about the fact i am noticing break-ins every three to four days a week in my flat, whereby nothing is taken. all I wanted was a statement, something that I could use to show I have been to the police already, but then I was told it is not possible to get even that since the intruders are not taking anything away, nor are they leaving signs they were there that are clearly visible, rather than the subtle ones only I register. now, this is the kind of "surveillance" that interests me. why in heavens name would anyone go to such extents. what is it about me that makes such acts necesary. what makes all the lying about what is really happening necesary? this kind of surveillance is writ large in many of our people's lives, including Tupac. obviously, the instances of such intrusion into another person's life that have come to light are just the tip of the iceberg. many more of our people have gone down and are going down as we speak and their tale will not be told. what's important to keep in mind is this kind of surevillance has a purpose, and there is no being contended about that.
i would actually not have been able to know they were surreptitiously entering my property if I was not in the habbit of setting small traps here and there, photographing the locations of things before I leave the premises, and I know I would not have survived whatever they are doing in my place (i do not think they are so eager to get in there so many times a week for the sake of it) if I was not taking a whole lot of precautions. any lapse in security measures and I hurt. the best thing is to leave the place, but then the intensity of the battle is such that I am pretty much pinned down. need help but then they are attacking anyone who as much as stretches a helping hand in my direction. for real, man. not the kind of stuff that happens on a daily basis, not the kind of stuff within most people's imaginations, and I do not fault people for making the wrong conclusions since they are left with no choice but to use that which they know to explain things what they are observing.
Tolane, how are you bro, i've been meaning to PM you to see hows things are bearing up with you. Just wanna say you know ive got your back on this one....full and utter belief and support , nothing short of.
Only wish i had your courage bro, because as ive said elsewhere in another thread, the effort in trying to educate others, mostly is a futile one understandably.
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