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Posted: Thursday January 11th, 2007 01:30 |
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Before you guys seek out to stone me, hear me out...
In America, both Jamaicans and Nigerians are perceived as arrogant who think they are better than other people of African descent, namely African Americans. I am not saying that either are actually arrogant, or think they are better, but there are a couple things I wonder:
- Could this perception be due to a common inherited tribal culture that Jamaicans and Nigerians have, where others percieve some of their cultural traits as pompous?
- Could arrogance and pomposity be a trait inherited from the British given both Jamaica and Nigeria were colonized by England?
Ok...without attempting to stone me here, what are your thoughts on this?
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Posted: Thursday January 11th, 2007 02:38 |
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@Shem I have the uniquivocal answer to this because this is something I watched as a nuetral party as a child, being from a small island, and studying the dyamics and use to think about it.
Now I did not know this at an early age that some of them who are the most combatant could be of the same people, because there were Nigerians brought to Jamaica as well. So that is probably a case of Karma....
But more seriously, I think those who are like the stereotype in question, who are never the majority, but we have seen it enough for it not to be lies or purely malicious either way. Neither does it have to be because I have Jamaican and Nigerian bredrins who are the nicest and civilised people you can get, but they have very similar mindsets which is hilarious as a nuetral to observe it.
But the factors to this mental condition I think is one. Size they both come from the largest countries in their hemisphers of the African world. Consequently, they suffer with the same syndrome of those who come from such land masses and like the US have the ego that goes with it. I see little differece between the two on that one.
Secondly, there is the implicit and arrogant assumption with size comes quality as my father use to say. Now that use to be my one of my killer blows in school when some loud mouth big chest Jamaican lout use to acost us small island boys when I use to tell them about their illiteracy rates and other gems designed to take a boy down when he wants to test about quality of civilisation and culture or history.
Thirdly and closely associated with size is a duality of inflated pride based on narrowness and lack of exposure and pig ignorance about anything outside their country in any depth. Cosmopolitain Nigerians or Jamaicans are some of the most sophisticated people you will meet. It is the pig igonrant ones who just hot of the plane you better watch yourself with..
They think there is only one history of Africa or the Caribbean and it is theirs..In the case of my Jamaican cousins my father use to say you must forgive them because French is a place in Mars as far as they are concerned, nevermind reading or speaking it to know some of the most important events in Caribbean history took place or were carried out in languages most of those ignorant f**kers would not have a clue what they were talking about. But to make it worse as my mother use to say they would not even have a friend in a ten mile radius who would know anyone who could help them.
I mean when your nearest neighbour is Cuba and you folks can't even speak Spanish and in fact we got more folks in our countries who can, don't say much about living good or being tight with your neighbours like most of Eastern and other Caribbean islands are with each other.
So you can see I am completely nuetral and without malice or bias on this one..But it is funny more Jamaicans have pissed me off than any Nigerian and to be honest can't really think of one..But them yardies Jesus lord have mercy...Let me give you a joke about one of my close crew who is high brow Jamaican. Schooled from childhood in Jamaican history, from deeply patriotic and radical people and highly educated and concious.
My man should be a one man show about his time in Africa where he lives most of the year. When in Zimbabwe he was getting big love because of course being highly educated and politically educated people they know of the great Jamaican history, and pedigree of radical of all types, intellectuals and cultural artists and I can go on. Who else could produce the greatest African over the last five hundred years Marcus Garvey...Go South Africa..Big love, Kenya big love, Tanzania big love...Zambia?  My man dismissed it on the grounds these people are poor and must not be educated or something like that. Kenneth Kaunda as he said must have been f**king about and never put Jamaica high on the education agenda
Go Nigeria that is the time my man giving pure jokes to the point my wife almost had a stroke and people are pissing themselves. First of all most folk no nothing about Jamaica and what they do is stereotype..I know this personally because there is this Nigerian elder who runs a shop who I have known for years and we chat and reason plenty times. 20 years later my man always says but 'brother Fred which part of Jamaica do your people come from?'. I said brother Adi I told you I am not from Nigeria and he replies 'aah..Fred I am not deaf or losing my memory..But what part of Jamaica is it anywhere I cannot remember now'..My man cracks me every time..
My bredrin could not believe the insult and the impuning of his country when he was in Nigeria to make it worse he could not get a word in when talking to some brothers telling how great Nigeria was...We laughed so hard it hurt...because you should have seen homeboys face....about not knowing about Jamaica as if god made that country first and to meet others who have exactly the same dispositon would make a movie. They thought Jamaica was a land of wild people and gangsters and dangerous folk..My man almost fainted...
But if there is one lovable rouge in the pack who you may not know much about...They're called Bajans [from Barbados Le Moore's mob]As far a Bajan is concerned even their tramps went to the best school in the region..You see that armed robber on the television..I know that boy when I was in the best College in the Caribbean man...Look whatever it is Bajans know more and can do it better...Another one is 'you're in Barbados man we don't tolerate them foolish around here'...as they puff their male chest with pride or breasts in the case of women..
It can be cleaning dog sh*t in the street a Bajan will refere to his country and say 'now listen boy' [in their drawn out accents] you see in Barbados'...... as you wait for the punch line..
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Posted: Thursday January 11th, 2007 05:16 |
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Allow me to make a slight insignificant correction that would add, rather than take away from the points made. FredB and Shemsi know this already but I am high-lighting a point FredB mentioned for the benefit of other people who might be reading this and might not know. When FredB said both Jamaica and Nigeria are large in Size, he was not talking about geographical size, rather he was talking about size population wise. Sudan, Algeria, Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC), Tanzania, South Africa, Ethiopia, Angola, Libya and Mali are larger than Nigeria in terms of geographical size.
I think the problem seems to be when we come here to the West, particularly in the United Kingdom. Matter of fact I never knew about all this mess and I actually learned more about the arrogancy if any right here on BNV illustrated by a handfull of people, particularly when they are hiding behind a computer. I read an article back in 2002; about some Conflicts and Animosity between African Students and African-Americans at a University in Ohio. I decided to learn more about such conflicts and typed some search word on yahoo search engine and lord and behold what did I get. I stumbled across the old BNV for the first time with discussion from the period of 1996-1998. I almost had a heart attack. Some Jamaican women would come in and insult Africans so hard, it is not even funny and all hell broke loose for like 15 pages worth of insults. And here I was a born pan-Africanist from since the age of nine (9). I was very dis-appointed because from a young age when I learned that there are black people in the West, I was very interested to learn how they got there and taught myself some history and asked questions.
I went through the topics of BNV and found more topics containing nothing but pure insults thrown back and forth. A Jamaican will come in and insult all Africans and then one African usually a Nigerian will reply back and insult all Jamaicans and the fight is then on, with everybody jumping in and a free for all and vice versa. I decided to pick up the phone and call some people in the UK to find out what was going on and why the animosity between Africans and African Caribbeans.
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Posted: Thursday January 11th, 2007 08:06 |
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| divide and rule going on here!!!
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Posted: Thursday January 11th, 2007 08:42 |
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shemsi..
its simple really... WE ARE BOTH BOSSES!
as far as the carribean is concerned jamaica run tings...plain and simple
Jamaican influence has spread world wide in many aspects.
nowdont get me wrong other plces like trinidad and the whole soca movement have had a small inpact but nowhere in the scale of things like jamaic
when people think of the carribean they think of jamaica...full stop
same with nigeria..them folks have are everywhere.
now Ive visited a few of the so called "small islands" in the carribean and although they are beautiful and the people freindly you could literally see their faces change when they find out you jamaican/jamaican decent. so prejudice cuts both ways. you can see it from some of the posts right here on BNV
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Posted: Thursday January 11th, 2007 10:08 |
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There are many Africans from Jamaica and Nigeria who are not easily identifiable as belonging to those nations, once away from their home countries. If such people are small or great in number, I don’t honestly know, provoking for me the possibility of stereotyping here.
I can clearly see, via phenotype, and inherited genetic mannerisms, that many Jamaicans are directly descended from Africans from around The River Niger Area. There are places in Jamaica that these Africans actually named after places back in Africa. Calabar, is one place that springs immediately to mind.
There has been historically documented, "high spirited" resistance to colonial rule in Jamaica, and this many Jamaicans know of and is something, I think apparent within Jamaican culture, but the same could be said for other Africans from the region.
Though, many Africans in Jamaica are from, present day Nigeria, Jamaican Culture (imho) has received far greater influences from the Ashanti, and other Akan peoples. Many Jamaicans feel at home in Ghana, and the reasons are often due to a strong affiliation to the culture.
So in conclusion, I would have to concur with FB that any reasons for similarities between Jamaicans and Nigerians, are more to do with how those particular Africans were socialized and a function of their unique political histories.
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Posted: Thursday January 11th, 2007 12:28 |
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@FredB
now le ma teir, i jes read wa u had to say bout bubadus, and i don't like um.
don le ma gur fling down my accent again. 
@topic
i find some jamaicans and some afrikans to be quite aggressive.
ibo people in my opinion or very arrogant and look down on others who are not as well off as they are.
while yuroba are loud. / 
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Posted: Thursday January 11th, 2007 14:20 |
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There has been historically documented, "high spirited" resistance to colonial rule in Jamaica, and this many Jamaicans know of and is something, I think apparent within Jamaican culture.
We're warriors. Born dread.
Treated much more harshly than our American counsins during the Maafa... prehaps our pride can come across as arrogance at times.
- Could arrogance and pomposity be a trait inherited from the British given both Jamaica and Nigeria were colonized by England?
No. For us Brits prehaps but not Jamaicans.
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Posted: Thursday January 11th, 2007 14:22 |
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Black_Power wrote: shemsi..
its simple really... WE ARE BOTH BOSSES!
as far as the carribean is concerned jamaica run tings...plain and simple
Jamaican influence has spread world wide in many aspects.
when people think of the carribean they think of jamaica...full stop
same with nigeria..them folks have are everywhere.
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Can you explain how they [Nigeria & Jamaica] are both bosses? How and in what ways? Also how does Jamaica run things in the Caribbean? Do you mean they ran the Economies, Education system, Businesses , Politics, Police, & Security System, and Judiciary of other so called "Small Islands"? Are the Governments of the so called "Small Islands" controlled by Jamaicans or the government of Jamaica?
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Posted: Thursday January 11th, 2007 14:34 |
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Vubundada_Kandaba wrote:Can you explain how they [Nigeria & Jamaica] are both bosses? How and in what ways? Also how does Jamaica run things in the Caribbean? Do you mean they ran the Economies, Education system, Businesses , Politics, Police, & Security System, and Judiciary of other so called "Small Islands"? Are the Governments of the so called "Small Islands" controlled by Jamaicans or the government of Jamaica?
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Posted: Thursday January 11th, 2007 14:40 |
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its ok mez you can laugh...look at congo...nuff said
VK you may not understand carribean slang so ill let you off this time but you can be a boss in more that those ways you mentioned.
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Posted: Thursday January 11th, 2007 15:33 |
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Black_Power wrote: its ok mez you can laugh...look at congo...nuff said
 ...damn dude, you didn't have to take it there. That's just wrong. By the way, anyone could easily say, "look at Jamaica".
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Posted: Thursday January 11th, 2007 16:11 |
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@VK, being boss is a tongue-in-cheek braggadocio term, so dont take it too seriously.
As far as runnin' tings, that is hyperbolic at best; back home, the Jamaican government isnt even running itself.
It seems to be a uniquely American trait to perceive other ethnicities as "arrogant" yet the irony remains that "arrogant" is the universal perception of Americans for the rest of the world. (I'm not jumping on you, Shemsi). I simply think that AAs have inherited those blinders. At uni in the US, the vast majority of my colleagues were either continental or caribbean African at post grad level, I've had some unpleasant times with the attitudes of the AAs regarding that.
I found myself completely agreeing with brother FredB's post, (the planets must be out of alignment or something  ) but I think he was spot on.
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Posted: Thursday January 11th, 2007 16:25 |
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Black_Power wrote: its ok mez you can laugh...look at congo...nuff said
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BP. The problems in the Congo is not of her own makings but of Foreign Western Forces and you know that well. You should realise that the Congo is the richest Country in the whole World in terms of Natural Resources and if the Congolese are allowed to develop in peace, they could easily become an economic power house surpassing Japan, the UK and Germany and many people would be looking to immigrate there in search of opportunities and jobs. The resources in the Congo has been a curse to the people of that Country because everyone wants a peice of the action.
Allow me to shed some History about the Congo and what that Country could become if allowed to flourish in peace, so next time you won't make such comments:
(1) The Congo (DRC) has an ability to produce 650 Billion Kilowatt of Electricity from the Zaire River Basin. This is almost 66% of the Hydro-Electricity produced in the World. It has potential to supply many Countries in Africa with Electricity. Even an under-water Electricity line could be ran to provide Jamaica with Electricity if the technology can be developed to ran power lines under the ocean in a cheap and reliable method.
(2) Most of the raw materials you use in your prized Electronic gear is from the Congo.
(3) 65% of the Cobalt comes from Zaire (Congo), 33% of the Chromium comes from the Congo, the richest ore in the World, Zinc, Lead, Silver, industrial Diamonds, Gold, and 70% of the mined Uranium all come from the Congo.
(4) The forest alone in the Congo can make it a World Power house in Timber production and Chemical processing from distillation of wood and its derivatives.
(5) The Congo alone can provide Enough Food to feed half the people in the World.
If the Congo does not have all these resources, it would probably be safe like Jamaica; safe in terms of civil wars and Foreign Governments meddling. We should use the Congo as an example of what can happen to our Countries when they are deemed powerful or have the ability to become powerful in the eyes of the Western Governments. Laughing at the plight of Congo would be a mistake because today is them and tomorrow could be you because they[Congo] might be able to get out of the predicament they are in and tomorrow many Caribbean and African Countries would come asking them for Economic Aid if and when they[Congo] prospers.
So instead lets join hands and give the Congolese a helping hand because their prosperity means that we in Africa and other Caribbean Nations would prosper too by cooperating with them if we all work together. We can also be able to keep whitey in check by pooling her resources and keeping a tight control and instead of supplying Americ and trhe West they can supply other Nations in Africa and the Caribbeans to build their own industries so they can prosper.
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Posted: Thursday January 11th, 2007 16:30 |
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| As always...you are right on point VK.
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Posted: Thursday January 11th, 2007 16:33 |
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Thanks YankeeJamaRican for clarifying things. I thought maybe BP was serious and believed he meant control of Nations. You also brought up a point I completely forgot, the arrogancy of Americans and African Americans. How about that Shemis, care to explain that?
To me it is O.K to have pride in ones Nation/Country, as long as it does not become too much pride to the point of putting others down.
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Posted: Thursday January 11th, 2007 17:15 |
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Vubundada_Kandaba wrote: Thanks YankeeJamaRican for clarifying things. I thought maybe BP was serious and believed he meant control of Nations. You also brought up a point I completely forgot, the arrogancy of Americans and African Americans. How about that Shemis, care to explain that?
To me it is O.K to have pride in ones Nation/Country, as long as it does not become too much pride to the point of putting others down.
Here is how I see it. Before the Civil Rights Movement and the retrogression that followed with desired integration campaigned by African-American bought and sold coons, the collective mentality was quite different in the Americanized African. In many respects, we saw ourselves as no different than our Continental brothers and sisters. After MLK and the coons that followed got to talking, much of that diminished. The focus was on how good the possessions of the White man were, and how we need to try to fit in instead of working for our own possessions like many of us did before Civil Rights.
Europeans had been consistently arrogant towards Africans for the last 500 years in their literature, thoughts, and behavior. Naturally, when the focus of Americanized Africans changed from self-determination to idolization of Whiteness and its privileges, many of us also inherited some of their political and social philosophies. 50 years ago, you could get 100,000 Blacks to build their own communities with their own businesses (i.e. Rosewood, Tulsa, Harlem, Omaha, etc.). Now, they only look towards those that are White so that they receive white privileges. This desire for Whiteness also manifests disdain for anything contradictory to the White system of superiority, just as White men.
It is so bad, that I have a female preacher family member who recently finished seminary school. She told me that slavery and colonialism was God's punishment to Africans for being heathens. Furthermore, she stated she wanted nothing to do with Africa, saying, "if it is so special to Afro-centrists, then they should all move there...and if I had the money I'd buy them all a ticket to get out of here". I tried to calmly explain to her how conditions in Africa were created, and how its nations are the richest in the world, only the power and control are misappropriated. My words fell on deaf ears, and she proceeded to poke fun at Continental Africans coming over here in a way I cannot (or will not) repeat here. Just 40-50 years ago, this kind of talk would have been unheard of. It is my opinion that by seeking integration with Whites, some of us have intrinsically adopted their arrogant ideology of White Supremacy, whether we fully realize it or not.
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Posted: Thursday January 11th, 2007 17:22 |
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---edditt---
Was gonna say that America is also a former British colony but yeah...
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Posted: Thursday January 11th, 2007 17:49 |
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I guess I'm kinda late...
***sets up camp***
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***lays out refreshments***
***chuckles to self***
okay people, my all in one booth is open... enjoy the festivities.
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Posted: Thursday January 11th, 2007 19:14 |
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@All this is purely a joke thing so let's keep it on that tip, because i have never met any serious calibre or radical brothers or sisters in any part of the African world who takes this sh*t seriously or who does not laugh and know the limits and dangers of tribalism and how it is used and who against within their own societies and for what purposes.
But tribal jokes to me are some of the sweetest. And all of us are victims of it. Remember the Southpark film and that classic and wicked song 'Blame Canada'. One of the things I like about Caribbean tribalism is people prefer to make jokes at each others expense than anything serious. I don't think any politician no matter how devious could ever seriously generate that type of nationalism based on tribal hatred that could stir any one country...Caribbean people don't take that sh*t serious unless it comes to the decline in our status as cricket world super power for which we have no other reasonable alternatives than to blame Jamaica and Barbados and that is written in stone.
@Poisonivy and you wonder why I need a translator any time you move out of middle-class areas in Barbados..WTF. Leave the UWI campus and you are in trouble, man could strave and die of thirst if any sh*t happen on campus and you had to fend for yourself in many communities trust me...If you catch two words you are lucky...Certain parts of Jamaica are like that when all you can do is wear some stupid grin or nod because it's like what the f**k did my man say and if he repeats it you are none the wiser...
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Posted: Thursday January 11th, 2007 19:25 |
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Shemsi. Don't think white supremacy on the real is the main factor. I think it is the evolution of the nation state and the emerging independence of these 'sovereign' nations and the merging of personal and group identity with that process.
The creation of the 'Super Nigerian or Super Jamaican' did not exist before that time. Both of these nations were at the forefront of independenec in their respective spheres of influence. Underlying that is a presumption of superiority in sofar as it was seen as they were ready for it and could handle it so to speak...while those of us of lesser nations were not. While completely understandable, as time was to prove in both instances it was very hollow.
The media in this country and white supremacy in that context is very responsible for the targetting and demonisation of both Jamaicans as a generic group and Nigerians and I have no doubt that feeds those who are ignorant or so predisposed to such views.
But the fundamental dyanmics which shaped this super nationalism has little to do with white people or white supremacy as such. Simply a reflection of the political developments and mass protests and actual numbers involved which helped to drive the independence process.
Peace.
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Posted: Thursday January 11th, 2007 20:52 |
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Jamaicans, like Nigerians are Very Serious People. Dont want to generalise but they dont seem to have a great sense of humour. Poverty, oppression, crime and desperation also shape people's attitudes.
In all they are very serious and angry people who dont suffer fools gladly. Its just he way it is. Coincidentally, they are among the most dynamic and creative black people there are.
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Posted: Thursday January 11th, 2007 21:00 |
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Shemsi en Tehuti wrote: Black_Power wrote: its ok mez you can laugh...look at congo...nuff said
...damn dude, you didn't have to take it there. That's just wrong. By the way, anyone could easily say, "look at Jamaica".
naa dawg.. F dat.
nyone could say look at black merica then stick on a copy of ghetto fight and watch yall actin the ass...
basically any country can get ripped apart.
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Posted: Thursday January 11th, 2007 21:39 |
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Posted: Thursday January 11th, 2007 21:39 |
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check_check wrote: Jamaicans, like Nigerians are Very Serious People. Dont want to generalise but they dont seem to have a great sense of humour.
Cant work out how you came to that conclusion. Some Jamaicans are the most natural comedians on Earth. In fact Jamaicans ARE the greatest people on Earth.  .
But speak to Jamaican descendants in this country and some of them cannot even stand the Jamaican born mentallity which even holds their own people in other countries as beneath them. It is a minority though but some of the talk has to make you laugh such as:
"a yard man can go foreign on Sunday and become a millionaire by Wednesday"
as far as my Father was concerned Jamaicans wrote and spoke better English than even the English..he could never understand why Edinburgh and Southwark are prounounced the way they are.. lol..I even remember him admonishing one book I took home from school to read- about the way they spelt Chocolate. " Dem caan spell ." So our inherent superiority exists even in relation to non Africans about their own language. LOL.
Nigerians. Alot of people say they are our counterparts in Africa. The almost identical ways of expression and emphasis on certain words at certain times.. leads me to believe that our mindsets are more than just the result of similar socio-economic factors in our respective regions. But then speaking to young brothers in Kenya / I saw alot of similarities as well. Me and a long time bredren (born Nigerian) are always cursing each other's countries for joke.. thats a long time sporting activity.
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Posted: Monday January 15th, 2007 08:12 |
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Where I live in the South (North Carolina) I haven't had much experience dealing with foriegn Blacks (especially Carribeans) expect at the University level. To be honest, I've never had a problem with any of them. I actually enjoy meeting "arrogant" Black people. Its much more refreshing than the blond hair weave wearing- fake fingernail ones I encounter all to often.........
The only annomisty I've ever FELT for these people were hearing about them applying for "African-American" scholarship programs............
Other than that they have been "cool". I respect people who respect themselves and their culture. I hate seeing people trying to "pass" themselves off as something they are not!
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Posted: Monday January 15th, 2007 13:43 |
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I've often pondered the same thing, props to Shemsi for being brave or foolhardy enough to make a thread about it,lol.
LIke Girlfromthenc, generally, I find the seriousness with which Continental Africans and Carribean Blacks, take themselves, refreshing. In many ways, African AMericans don't take ourselves serioiusly ENOUGH. OUr sense of humor is overdeveloped in some ways. It has helped us cope, and is present in everything we do, including our music, but it borders on buffonery sometimes.Having said that though, contrary to popular belief, arrogance and pomposity taken to the extreme can also tip one over into the land of buffoonery, if one isn't careful. Moderation in all things, is the key.
I agree with Shemsi that the arrogance that one sees manifest among some AA's has more to do with their belief in the superiority of all things white, than with any intrinsic belief in THEIR OWN superiority. It tends to manifest and play differently than the Carribean/Contienental African brand of "arrogance",in my experience.
I also think we have to be careful about basing our perceptions on people who immigrate to the U.S. to study or for better opportunities. Whites, and some Blacks routinely do this. The people who get up and leave their country of origin and come to another country for a better life, are already not run of the mill, folks. These are usually going to be the most ambitous,serious, on a mission, get up and go types, by definition. To compare that select,specialized group to a WHOLE population of native born people is silly, and yields skewed perceptions,both ways. It can imply that everyone from the immigrant's country of origin is hardworking and smart, and that one would not find lazy, unambtious and stupid people if one were to visit that country. It can falsely imply that everyone that is native born in the new country is shiftless and lazy. It can imply that everyone from the immigrants country is lacking in humor and prone towards working 6 jobs, like the old In Living color skit, about Jamaicans.
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Posted: Monday January 15th, 2007 14:22 |
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.....lol....the real truth is that it is the non Jamaicans in the Caribbean who tend to look down on Jamaicans, and the non Nigerians in the African community who look down on Nigerians .....and they get upset when we dont give a sh*te.........lol
I love being an "arrogant" Nigerian (which to me means I hold my head up high with absolutely no apology).....I dont believe there is any better way to think of myself.....so bite me dang it!
But seriously though, I just laugh when I hear other Africans talking about Nigerians this and that, but they purchase at least five Nigerian DVD's every week.....thats right, keep that paper coming kemi needs a new pair of shoes!!!!!!!.....lol
I swear I think God blessed me when he made me Nigerian.
Naija for life!!!!!!!
Dont take our cockiness so personally.....lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDn0uklQyQw
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Posted: Monday January 15th, 2007 15:43 |
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Whats up Chi? Actually I have never in my life heard of other Africans talking about Nigerians, maybe I am living a sheltered life. It seems to me like most of these things we are discussing about is a British thing or maybe it happens in West Africa only because I have never heard of Africans in Southern, Eastern, or Northern Africa talk about Nigerians. I lived all over East Africa, travelled through the Middle East prior to coming to America. Met countless hundreds Nigerians and other Africans from all over the Continent particularly when I was in Egypt and never heard of animosities or people talking or envying Nigerians or any other groups. Mostly everybody goes about their business with many "pretend business-men" from all over the Continent trying to make their money here and there. Why envy Nigerians or Nigeria? What is there to envy or be jealous about when we are all Africans, it is not like Nigerians are a different race of people? At the end of the day the average African is trying to make ends meet, who has time to worry about the next person when he too is trying to make it? Even here in America I met plenty of Nigerian particularly from the Delta Region and they never came across to me as being arrogant, maybe because they are church people.
It is good to be proud of ones Country, nothing wrong with that. Be proud of your Country and be a Good Citizen (which I believe you are) not a Good Subject. Some-one once said to me that the problem with most Africans and black people in general is that we are Good Subjects and Bad Citizens. A Good Citizen is someone who is proud of their Country and at the same time speak up when He/She believe things are not right and then works on correcting that. A Good Subject is some-one who acts like the elected leaders are Royal Kings with Royal Blood or something and would not tolerate criticism of elected leaders and just accept whatever the leaders do without complaining or demanding change.
So long as we are proud of our Countries and don't attempt to put someone down or look down on another Africans or Diasporan Africans then everything is cool. Trying to look down on some-one is nothing else but buffoonery and childish behavior because it shows that the person lacks simple intellect and basic understanding of cultures, politics and how the World operates and I just ignore who ever is doing it. At the end of the day we are all being looked down at by other people of other races who are interested in exploiting us and our Countries, so no need to look down on a fellow African. By the way God has blessed all of us except for some of us, our blessings will come sometime in the future, that is if you believe in God. Our blessing will come down with the holy spirit pouring down on us. Last edited on Monday January 15th, 2007 16:46 by Vubundada_Kandaba
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Posted: Monday January 15th, 2007 15:54 |
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VK....we are too concerned about ourselves to look down on anyone else....and trust me many people have a deep dislike for Nigerians and our Pride....oh sorry "arrogance"ask some Ghanaians, South Africans, Carribeans etc,and yes some of it is reciprocated, but let me tell you if I'm in a group of Nigerians we are not thinking about another mans country, why would we? If I'm around Ghanaians I give them ten minutes to start talking about Nigerians.
Youre right, even I've only met a handful of truely arrogant Nigerians, but much more who possess a healthy self esteem, if that makes some people feel uncomfortable, then its not the Nigerians who are the problem. There are so many cool naija's just like any other country........I love my people, dont care who knows it.
Its not as if we have started some kind of world war or something.
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Posted: Monday January 15th, 2007 16:02 |
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but what exactly do nigerians have to be soo proud about anyway??
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Posted: Monday January 15th, 2007 16:09 |
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Black_Power wrote: but what exactly do nigerians have to be soo proud about anyway??
Black power you wouldn't understand, its only when you have been blessed (lol) that you recognise what that blessing means........lol....
Truely, I feel so lucky to be born to two Naija parents and in my community, which tells me its ok for me to be the best, infact thats what I deserve......not everyone has that you know........lol
So Black power, what exactly do jamaicans have to be so proud of?
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Posted: Monday January 15th, 2007 16:18 |
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come over here and ill show you
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Posted: Monday January 15th, 2007 16:27 |
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Htp,
http://www.sacred-texts.com/afr/ppj/ppj001.htm
Ashani / Fanti / Askims/ Cultural influence on Jamacia
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Posted: Monday January 15th, 2007 16:32 |
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Black_Power wrote: come over here and ill show you
....lol.....dat one nah story, empty words just because you know you live abroad and I cant verify..........typical.......lol....lol
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Posted: Monday January 15th, 2007 16:38 |
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@Chi. I honestly believe all this things we are discussing about happens only when we come to the West. Back on the Continent we treat each other (from different Countries) better because things there are not easy for the average person so he or she is busy trying to work for their next meal. I lived in Country where we have close to nine (9) million people of Nigerian ancestry who came there for one reason or another and they go about their business as other people and I never experienced arrogancy from them. I also met hundreds of "pretend Business-men" straight from Lagos like countless other Africans from the Continent on transit, who are running their pretend-businesses to and from South East Asia to Europe transfering God knows what, they too are concerned about making that money like other Africans in the business and have no time for the next person.
I think being proud of our Countries is a Good thing, after-all if we don't do so then who is going to do it for us? It also creates competition among us and competition is a good thing because it inspires us to out-do one another and in so doing we actually make things better or become creative. This competition how-ever has to be kept to a level where it is healthy and should not transcend into warfare. The French, British and Americans all try to out-do each other and in so doing they are all moving up. The Good thing about us black people is that we actually care about each other, particularly when outsiders try to gang up on us. A good example is the World Cup. It does not matter whether it is Nigeria, Senegal or Cameroon playing, we are all proud and to us they represent Africa not the above mentioned Countries. I remember during the 1992 World Cup season the President of Mozambique canceled an important parliamentary meeting and instead all elected officials and members of parliament did was watch Senegal trumple Sweden because to them it was Africa versus Sweden not Senegal versus Sweden.
But to be honest, I learned alot about these things right here on BNV. I never knew that there was some tensions between Jamaicans and Nigerians and other Africans in the UK until I read some article on the Internet about some conflicts between Africans and African Americans in Ohio State Univesity here in America, and on trying to learn more, I ran into the old BNV where it was an open war of insults between Continentals and Diasporans.
Here in America, we got along well with otherAfricans and Caribbeans particularly on College Campuses. Travelled to the Caribbeans and all I recieved was love with everybody wanting to invite me to their homes or business stalls/shacks and wanting me to tell them how things are on the Continent. The only difficulties and animosities I recieved are from African-Americans in the beginning when I first came here.
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Posted: Monday January 15th, 2007 16:50 |
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VK....it is actually very common, but we dont really take it seriously, because its actually childish and not very important. Trust me, Nigerians living in other African countries get it in the neck....they just dont complain about it, in fact a few weeks ago there was a documentary about South Africa, the immigrants from other countries in S. Africa were treated appaulingly and people were marching to get the Somalian business owners out, I think a few had been killed too. They were saying S. Africa was liberated for only South Africans, not other Africans and they should all leave. Then, they went to the holding centres and people told them how appauling they were treated by S. africans and how xenophobic they really are towards other Blacks.
The truth is, we often dont know what is going on in certain communities because it may not be directed towards us. I think Nigerians at least get on with just about anyone, as long as there is mutual respect. Its just too petty to hate someone because of their origin.
BTW Not all Nigerian businesses are "pretend" either.......were not all criminals some of us are actually bonafide business people just like anyone else.
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Posted: Monday January 15th, 2007 17:28 |
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Hi Chi. Of-course the overwhelming majority of the Nigerians I met in Africa are honest traders selling legitimate goods and trying to make an honest living or trying to expand their businesses or other legal activities. Actually I never said it was Nigerians who are only in the "Pretend Business". It was all Africans from all over the continent from Congolese, Nigerians, Ghanaians, Senegalese, Kenyans, Somalis, Rwandis, Camerounians to Egyptians, even have few childhood friends in the business who walk around like they are "big time business-man" and some are languishing in jails in Egypt and India. If you go particularly to Egypt, some (Not all) Africans from all over the Continent are involved in a shady businesses.
By the way South Africans are a special case. They are the only ones on the Continent who are messed up, probably because during apartheid the whites were telling them to be grateful for what they got because the rest of Africa is doing poorly and many believed. They forgot the red-carpet and special treatment the rest of Africa gave them during the apartheid era and now alot do not tolerate other Africans. I actually read one poll where many blacks in South Africa said they would actually prefer whites to migrate there than other Continental Africans. What can we do, just shake our heads and work to make conditions better in our respective Countries. Sometimes people do not appreciate the help others extend to them when they are down and as soon they are in a good position they forget everything others did for them.
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Posted: Monday January 15th, 2007 18:29 |
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chi wrote: VK....it is actually very common, but we dont really take it seriously, because its actually childish and not very important. Trust me, Nigerians living in other African countries get it in the neck....they just dont complain about it, in fact a few weeks ago there was a documentary about South Africa, the immigrants from other countries in S. Africa were treated appaulingly and people were marching to get the Somalian business owners out, I think a few had been killed too. They were saying S. Africa was liberated for only South Africans, not other Africans and they should all leave. Then, they went to the holding centres and people told them how appauling they were treated by S. africans and how xenophobic they really are towards other Blacks.
The truth is, we often dont know what is going on in certain communities because it may not be directed towards us. I think Nigerians at least get on with just about anyone, as long as there is mutual respect. Its just too petty to hate someone because of their origin.
BTW Not all Nigerian businesses are "pretend" either.......were not all criminals some of us are actually bonafide business people just like anyone else.
True, all what SA went through and the way other Africans are treated is so hypocritical. Another form of self hatred I guess, but they love Americans..lol.
I won't lie, I hear other Africans(even other Nigerians) from all over talk about Nigerians all the time, same as I hear people(even other Jamaicans) complain about Jamaicans, and everyone stereotypes Jamaicans and Nigerians.
In regards to the Nigerian movies... a Yoruba guy I know said the Igbos in the African movies always try to act American and said the Yorubas are more true to African culture when it came to the movies.
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Posted: Monday January 15th, 2007 18:34 |
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yeah jamaicans are arrogant! They claim rastafari is jamaican when it came from the best island on earth.................................Dominca!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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