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Posted: Tuesday May 9th, 2006 12:40 |
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Shabaka1 wrote: Africans don't owe anything to Western Blacks. Africans haven't had significant contact with Western Blacks until we started immigrating to Western countries.It may sound like an outrageous claim but Western Blacks were never victimized by the Atlantic slave trade (slave trade, not slavery), Africans were.
Wow, you sure love to waive your stupidity around for everyone to see. Afrikans on the Continent did not suffer the middle passage, idiot. They were on the Continent. Afrika never paid any price for the Middle passage because those who went through it never returned to Afrikan soil. Continentals know NOTHING of the Middle Passage, but we know about it here in the West, don't we?
Frankly, I am disappointed that the moderation team on this board have allowed this putrid little abortion to come on a board (that is allegedly dedicated to Afrikan interests) and deny the holocaust that 100 Million Black people in the diasporas have been through and continue to suffer from. This is an outrage. We can't discuss interacial dating on here but this is allowed?
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Posted: Tuesday May 9th, 2006 12:40 |
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I'm sorry, but I think we Africans should agknowledge that some of our number enabled the slave trade to take place, at least for as long as it did...........whether small or significant is not really the issue here, the piont is that maybe if we had all been on one accord we would be looking at a very different history.
Is it not the same problems still plaguing some African countries today? Lack of feeling for some of our fellow brothers and sisters, all for immediate gain......................I'm not trying to apply it across the board, but we have alot to answer for, time doesn't heal absolutely all.
I for one can say that I am ashamed of the Africans who were involved in the trading of slaves/fellow Africans (as well as the ones who are still selling us down the river), especially if they had the slightest hunch about how people were made to suffer.............selling your brother to a stranger is never good or justifiable.
Even if noone feels they need to hear it or wants it.....
I AM SORRY FOR WHAT SOME OF OUR ANCESTORS ENABLED TO HAPPEN.
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Posted: Tuesday May 9th, 2006 12:49 |
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chi wrote: I'm sorry, but I think we Africans should agknowledge that some of our number enabled the slave trade to take place, at least for as long as it did...........whether small or significant is not really the issue here, the piont is that maybe if we had all been on one accord we would be looking at a very different history.
Is it not the same problems still plaguing some African countries today? Lack of feeling for some of our fellow brothers and sisters, all for immediate gain......................I'm not trying to apply it across the board, but we have alot to answer for, time doesn't heal absolutely all.
I for one can say that I am ashamed of the Africans who were involved in the trading of slaves/fellow Africans (as well as the ones who are still selling us down the river), especially if they had the slightest hunch about how people were made to suffer.............selling your brother to a stranger is never good or justifiable.
Even if noone feels they need to hear it or wants it.....
I AM SORRY FOR WHAT SOME OF OUR ANCESTORS ENABLED TO HAPPEN.
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Respect Chi,
I think if not apologies then Africans must at least acknowledge that their ancestors may have played a part in the cruellest period of human history.
To avoid the topic like some suggest would be foolish and would only breed resentment for future generations.
And to acknowledge it would also help bring the modern day slave trade to public attention as well.
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Posted: Tuesday May 9th, 2006 12:50 |
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@ HatHaruHotep
I agree wholeheartedly...
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Posted: Tuesday May 9th, 2006 13:14 |
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Shabaka1 wrote: Africans don't owe anything to Western Blacks. Africans haven't had significant contact with Western Blacks until we started immigrating to Western countries.It may sound like an outrageous claim but Western Blacks were never victimized by the Atlantic slave trade (slave trade, not slavery), Africans were. They lost their family members, and for the Africans enslaved in addition to being enslaved they lost their cultures and identities. Afro-American and Afro-West Indian cultures and identities were formed gradually on American and West Indian soil, they never actually went through the Middle Passage , Africans did. Furthermore, most Africans aren't descended from slave traders and sin isn't genetic. The majority became slaves through wars, debts and crimes and as DSP pointed out, African slavery cannot be compared to Western chattel slavery (or the inhuman/horrible Arab slavery that Masai commented on ).
It's amazing that your IQ level enables you to be able to type. Really is. You're bitter and twisted beyond belief and I think you should seek professional help. Seriously. I don't think you know a damn thing about your history. Your jumped up claims are peppered with a few afro-centric words and you think that makes you the next great african leader. Get a f**king clue. Half of the continental africans on this board- "your people", think you're an imbecile not to mention the diasporans. does that not tell you something? You are the only one here who buys into your beliefs. You're a one man congregation and you don't deserve the tittle of African. How can anyone with an iota of sense, believe that diasporans did not suffer the effects of slavery? We ARE the effect of slavery you moron. I have said time and time again. People CANNOT pick and chose which part of history they want to identify with, simply because it does not suit you. Newsflash. EVERYONE has negative factors in their historical make up. Its how you move on from that and build from it that makes you a TRUE african. I couldn't tell you which part of the continent my ancestors hail from but I can tell you now, I'm a damn site more african than you can ever even hope or aspire to be.
And I agree, we've had to suffer your foolishness on this board for too damn long. You never make a worthy contribution to any thread and only seem to pop up when there is opportunity to bash diasporans. You're on a one-man rampage to keep diasporans down but guess what? It WONT happen. I'm sure I speak for almost every diasporan on this board when I say it would take a HELL of a lot more than a whiney, pathetic, woah-is-me-who-has-been-wronged-by-diasporans to get me to detach myself from my history. My AFRICAN history.
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Posted: Tuesday May 9th, 2006 13:36 |
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Black_power wrote: its a shame the africans were soo trusting and gulible to let these people come over there and although they had nothing but pork and wheat at the time they still managed to trade with a place that had every natural resource known to man.
And still does
On Point BP
And thats why this Idea that we should look more at The African sell-out role more than the European during slavery, warranting an African apology is backward and nonsensical.
These simple white "missionaries" had already killed millions upon millions of native American peoples BEFORE they began shipping Africans to the Americas. They murdered entire nations of people who had been living in those places for thousands of years - within 30 years of Columbus landing.
Do people know their history???
Whites then decided they would "develop" a continent of divided peoples on the continent of Africa by "trading" with them, as African Warriors would not have been easy to Genocide on their own lands as the Native American peoples.
Before you know it, they have their military forces everywhere demanding the right to continue defending their "interests ", not ours; with the same genocidal will that emptied the Americas.
Africa was not a nation of Peoples but a continent of different peoples, just like today. Any moves to strengthen the links between African people, halted and divisions became more marked on contact with The European.
Colonailism institutionalised this process. We are all victims of this history.
Today, any African who chooses division over unity, enemies over African, backwardness over progress is a sell-out plain and simple. They have rubbished our struggle to arrest the negative forces that impede our progress and deserve contempt. They, are no different than those long dead African's who allowed Africa's enemies a foothold on the Continent.
Today, these sell-outs allow our enemies footholds in our heads, allowing the chains of slavery to continue; the chattel being our minds. Blaming their own, while 90% of African trade continues to flow to our exploiters.
Slavery ends when the slave killls the slavemaster, not when the slave kills a slave.
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Posted: Tuesday May 9th, 2006 13:40 |
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Shemsi en Tehuti wrote: If I remember correctly, Benin was the only country in Africa to acknowledge its role in the so-called slave trade (Muafa) and offer an apology. Reading some of the comments here, was this apology undue?
I believe other countries have also acknowledged and apologised (Ghana and Gambia too I think). I could be wrong about that but I have read that others countries have apologised. I saw something on this site about Yoruba and Ashanti tribes being heavily invloved but not sure if they have publicly acknowledge their involvement too.
I am personally hung up on this. I do not hold it against my continental brothers, for our communities were hijacked by foreign ideologies which created undue divisiveness and shortsightedness.
The thing is there was no unity between Africans in the first place and that is why they were so easy to conquer. Then as now, Africans seemed more interested in fighting amongst themselves than recognising a common enemy and joining forces against that enemy. All tribes saw themselves (and still do I guess) as more or less unconnected to the next from what I have learnt. It's this same attitude that allows them (us) to still be exploited today. Even though the europeans were not united and regularly fought each other they still managed to stick together and divide up the spoils pretty fairly when they raped Africa and took her people to build their own nations wealth.
However, every now and then I can recall African-Americans saying either "they sold us" or "they didn't come to America and fight for/rescue us". It has even been ignorantly satirized in African-American comedy particularly by Eddie Griffin saying, "they didn't show up in a canoe or nuthin'". I feel that most of this sentiment is out of pure ignorance of continental and Diasporic African history.
It's funny how there is very little known about what role Africans played but all these years later we, the descendants of the enslaved ones are aware that we were sold and not only taken. The tradition of oral history did not disappear when they left Africa's shores it seems. There is no ignorance in an African-American, Caribbean or South American being aware that many of us were sold, where we cannot seriously have expected to be rescued by canoe or any other means at the time, the fact is we KNOW that some of us were sold by our own people.
I am unsure whether a collective apology needs to occur for healing to begin. Perhaps all that is necessary is for us Diasporans to be collectively educated about ourselves.
We are trying to get educated about ourselves but continental Africans have remained very tight-lipped about things that many of us are still curious about. I for one, do not need anyone to apologise to me. Sorry doesnt really mean much to me anyway, it can't undo the hurt and damage caused by wrongs committed so I can easily do without it. Furthermore, if people do not really feel sorry then there is absolutely no point in uttering the word 'sorry' anyway.
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Posted: Tuesday May 9th, 2006 14:30 |
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Hmm.... revising for my exams but i had to come out of hiding... this is too much.
I agree with one thing shabaka said...... What about the people who lost their families? They were victims too. Believe it or not people... not all africans were slave-sellers!
Lemme ask you this question... If someone came to your town guns blazing (an all u got is some home made knives) an you were the chief an they said.... we're gonna kill ur whole family... your 13 kids... your 3 wives... unless you give us 20 of your people. We're gonna take them with us to a better place (you KNOW how dem people can lie) what would you say? I wasn't there so i can't judge... none of us will ever REALLY know what happened unless theres some 300yr old african among us.
I am Nigerian but i do not feel i need to apologise for something that happened before my great great grandmother was born because of the simple fact i was not in anyway involved and how do you know any of my direct ancestors were involved? Every village has one chief... so you can't blame a village of 500 for one mans actions?
I think we should not look for who to blame but learn from past events of the wickedness of some people... "the heart of man is very wicked".
Thats my opinion an if u dont like it u can lump it.
Now where was i with that revision....
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Posted: Tuesday May 9th, 2006 15:24 |
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Having read through the replies on this emotive topic, I'd just like to add my two pence worth.
During the European slave trade, a few kingdoms benefited, however, as was with the case with the Arab trade, whole areas were devastated, while in the Americas, vast quantities of wealth were generated by human misery. In no way did Africa benefit from the slave trade to the extent that the West did and certainly not to the extent that the Arabs did. However, in all this it is clear that some sell outs were at work. Parallels can be drawn to the vast expropriation of wealth from the continent today, flowing steadily to enrich the West, thanks in no small part to the greed of a few puppets who care nothing for their own people.
There were some unscrupulous individuals who profited from this inhuman trade. I myself have often wondered how someone could find it in themselves to remain unmoved at the anguish of another on being seperated from his kin.
I once read a book on the partitioning of Africa, the European explorers in central Africa remarked that on advancing into the interior, with their arab guides, whole regions of people would flee, alerting others with talking drums and horns. A few bold ones told the white men that any time, they saw a white man(i.e. Arabs) wholesale devastation inevitably followed as those who survived were carried off, and any time they had made the error of showing them the routes through the region, the arabs whom they had had prevented from getting lost would return their kindness by thundering back along that same route with muskets and manacles.
Blacks really need to learn from the tragedies of the past. The slave trade flourished because of a lack of unity amongst Africans. Colonialism took route because people attempted to repel the invaders seperately. An example(if memory serves correctly) is the first chimurenga (uprising) in Zimbabwe, whereby the Ndebele and the Shona, attempted to repel the Europeans seperately rather than together due to traditional enmity - the venture ended in failure, and the ring leaders were rounded up and hanged. Today, Africa's wealth flows unchecked to the West as different ethnic groups fight for political ascendancy within nations defined by European partitioning, rather than putting the best man forward, regardless of ethnic affiliations and origin. Africans were too trusting then and still are, in spite of having been burnt by westerners operating with veiled intentions. Just ask Lobengula who was tricked by a missionary into parting with his land, or the Haitian black generals who were tricked by the French. Yet, the lessons of the past remain unlearnt.
I do not believe that blacks owe each other nothing.Blacks everywhere need to work together. A prominent Afro-American, speaking at the Million Man March said words which ran to this effect: After today, you can no longer just look at your brother in need, you must help him for he is your brother. We can no longer afford to look at each other and call each other nasty names. Those africans who use that word 'slave baby' need to lose it, fast. The same goes for diasporans who use derogatory words to describe africans too. The whole world is dissing blacks and yet we diss each other. Such an attitude is a recipe for disaster.
To those diasporans who feel looked down on by their continental kin, ignore them, they are no better or no more african or blacker than you, if you choose to connect with your heritage, and vice - versa.
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Posted: Tuesday May 9th, 2006 15:28 |
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Dark Opal wrote:
To those diasporans who feel looked down on by their continental kin, ignore them, they are no better or no more african or blacker than you, if you choose to connect with your heritage, and vice - versa.
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Posted: Tuesday May 9th, 2006 15:46 |
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HatHaruhotep wrote: Wow, you sure love to waive your stupidity around for everyone to see. Afrikans on the Continent did not suffer the middle passage, idiot. They were on the Continent. Afrika never paid any price for the Middle passage because those who went through it never returned to Afrikan soil. Continentals know NOTHING of the Middle Passage, but we know about it here in the West, don't we?
Frankly, I am disappointed that the moderation team on this board have allowed this putrid little abortion to come on a board (that is allegedly dedicated to Afrikan interests) and deny the holocaust that 100 Million Black people in the diasporas have been through and continue to suffer from. This is an outrage. We can't discuss interacial dating on here but this is allowed?
I think you are getting him wrong. Western Blacks are the descendants of Africans. These Africans were the ones who suffered the middle passage and slavery. Western Blacks did not themselves suffer the slavery. They only descended from Africans who suffered from slavery.
So should dead African slave traders apologize to the dead Africans for the slavery? I think that is a moot question because the slave traders lack any concept of blackness that we have today, and as a result are incapable to being held to account for an apology that is rooted in black solidarity.
Even worse the Africans on the continent should not be held to apologise to the Western blacks for slavery. Many Africans might be descendants of people who lost sons and daughters doing slave raid.
Should we use slave trade as a lesson for black solidarity. Absolutely.
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Posted: Tuesday May 9th, 2006 15:59 |
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Should we use slave trade as a lesson for black solidarity. Absolutely
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Posted: Tuesday May 9th, 2006 16:07 |
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I notice your still using the racist notion of "western blacks" as opposed to your blessed "pure" african...
Amen to nothing...you dont fool me.
how can you have black solidarity when you refuse to class people in the same category as yourself..
utter bollocks.
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Posted: Tuesday May 9th, 2006 16:15 |
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....as long as it remains ok for us not to look out for eachother, we wont see any change.......even if it was only five individuals who were involved in the slave trade, it was five too many........it needs to be agknowledged, what difference does it make that the Europeans gained more........shouldn't we be more concerned about what we lost because of our inability (even though it was a few) to resist the betrayal of one another?
Is it then ok for our leaders of today who sell the future of Africa right out of the hands of today's children ....because the west gets the bulk of the benefit ,surely it cant suddenly be out of bounds to do it today?, afterall one day these leaders will be dead too................its no wonder they can do it so easily when we dont hold them to account in life or death.
When "companies" like Shell and exxon come into places like Nigeria with no regard for the people or respect for their lives......its an atrocity, but what stings the more is the governments willingess to cohort with them even at the expense of their own people (ie Ken Sara Wiwa).............The fact that shell is benefitting the most out of it is irrelevent,, and we say we want respect, do we even know how to express it to oneanother?
Yes there were families who were kidnapped forced to kidnap etc......I dont even think we are talking about these kinds of people, but the people who made it their daily bread....out of agreement and choice (even if they were later sold)............should be accounted for. I dont believe it was the majority, but it didn't need a majority. Not only the slave trade, but the colonial era which stood partly on the shoulders of African's who were the white mans arms and legs in the villages......how can anyone be so dismissive of the level of betrayal which allowed Africa to be on its knees (in some aspects) even today...............we need to stop burrying our heads in the sand sometimes..........we can never change outsiders, but the apparent lack of unity can only be addressed by us.
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Posted: Tuesday May 9th, 2006 16:28 |
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Black_power wrote: I notice your still using the racist notion of "western blacks" as opposed to your blessed "pure" african...
Amen to nothing...you dont fool me.
how can you have black solidarity when you refuse to class people in the same category as yourself..
utter bollocks.
You know what, I am in a good mood. There is truth to what you said. So I will rewrite my previous post as per you suggestion. I will substitute African for Western Black. Here we go
"I think you are getting him wrong. Africans are the descendants of Africans. These Africans were the ones who suffered the middle passage and slavery. Africans did not themselves suffer the slavery. They only descended from Africans who suffered from slavery.
So should dead African slave traders apologize to the dead Africans for the slavery? I think that is a moot question because the slave traders lack any concept of blackness that we have today, and as a result are incapable to being held to account for an apology that is rooted in black solidarity.
Even worse the Africans on the continent should not be held to apologise to the Africans for slavery. Many Africans might be descendants of people who lost sons and daughters doing slave raid.
Should we use slave trade as a lesson for black solidarity. Absolutely.
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Posted: Tuesday May 9th, 2006 16:55 |
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disco_inferno wrote: HatHaruhotep wrote: Wow, you sure love to waive your stupidity around for everyone to see. Afrikans on the Continent did not suffer the middle passage, idiot. They were on the Continent. Afrika never paid any price for the Middle passage because those who went through it never returned to Afrikan soil. Continentals know NOTHING of the Middle Passage, but we know about it here in the West, don't we?
Frankly, I am disappointed that the moderation team on this board have allowed this putrid little abortion to come on a board (that is allegedly dedicated to Afrikan interests) and deny the holocaust that 100 Million Black people in the diasporas have been through and continue to suffer from. This is an outrage. We can't discuss interacial dating on here but this is allowed?
I think you are getting him wrong. Western Blacks are the descendants of Africans. These Africans were the ones who suffered the middle passage and slavery. Western Blacks did not themselves suffer the slavery. They only descended from Africans who suffered from slavery.
Clearly you are as stupid as Shabaka. WHAT THE HELL DO YOU MEAN BLACKS IN THE WEST DID NOT SUFFER FROM SLAVERY, IDIOT? Afrikans from the Continent were ONE f**kING GENERATION. You dumb son of a b**ch, THE OTHER 246 YEARS OF SLAVERY, LYNCHING, AND RAPE WAS ALL WESTERN BORN AFRIKAN PEOPLE.
So should dead African slave traders apologize to the dead Africans for the slavery? I think that is a moot question because the slave traders lack any concept of blackness that we have today, and as a result are incapable to being held to account for an apology that is rooted in black solidarity.
Even worse the Africans on the continent should not be held to apologise to the Western blacks for slavery. Many Africans might be descendants of people who lost sons and daughters doing slave raid.
Afrikans on the Continent must acknowledge that their stupidity, ignorance, jealousy, smallmindedness, and violence got us ALL where we are today.
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Posted: Tuesday May 9th, 2006 16:58 |
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Afrikans on the Continent must acknowledge that their stupidity, ignorance, jealousy, smallmindedness, and violence got us ALL where we are today.
I wouldnt call it stupidness.... remeber they knew little of the whiteman so you cant call a people stupid for not knowing how to deal with the unknown
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Posted: Tuesday May 9th, 2006 17:06 |
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HatHaruhotep wrote:
Clearly you are as stupid as Shabaka. WHAT THE HELL DO YOU MEAN BLACKS IN THE WEST DID NOT SUFFER FROM SLAVERY, IDIOT? Afrikans from the Continent were ONE f**kING GENERATION. You dumb son of a b**ch, THE OTHER 246 YEARS OF SLAVERY, LYNCHING, AND RAPE WAS ALL WESTERN BORN AFRIKAN PEOPLE.
Please, Please slow down. Let me explain. I am only explaining what I think he meant. You suffered racism not slavery. Am I right? You do have a history that includes your ancestors suffering slavery. These ancestors are the Africans Shabaka was referring to.
Afrikans on the Continent must acknowledge that their stupidity, ignorance, jealousy, smallmindedness, and violence got us ALL where we are today.
You are asking me to do impossible things. How could a man possibly have lived that long to have actively participated in slavery? The ones who should acknowledge their stupidity are dead. What we should do is use the lessons of the past to make sure we dont replicate the future. We should become one strong unified force to reckon with.
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Posted: Tuesday May 9th, 2006 17:13 |
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Hat...
I think you're falling into the trap that people are setting...
They say foolish and uneducated , unsubstanitaited and PLAIN wrong..comments about African Americans...and you shoot right back and say things of the same nature about continental Africans...
and in doing so....they get you to reveal what it seems are your true feelings(and causes FURTHER dissent and conflict among people of the board).....
I only note and take issue with people who have written vital and interesting posts in the past....and I get surprised when obviously intelligent people decide to write such un intelligent things...
Don't stoop down to the level of these clowns.....many peope have very littel of ANY significance to add to ANY discussion so they rattel off untruths and things they THINK are true.... by shooting back and saying things of the same low mentality..you may alienate people....
The transatlantic slave trade continued "legally" until early 1800s.....but really continued until maybe mid 1800s......and beyond......there were SEVERAL generations of ensalved peopel brought to the new world....
the native Black population of the Americas didn't really multiply until after the slave trade was "legally abolished"...meaning the trafficking of enslaved peoples from west africa to here...until then, it was cheaper to just get new Africans......than to "breed" us right here.....
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the aim of these fools and clowns is to create tensions and animosoty towards us ..they are cancers....do not fall victim to their plans......
much easier to beat them in the head with the stick of knowledge....
Last edited on Tuesday May 9th, 2006 17:15 by DtotheJ
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Posted: Tuesday May 9th, 2006 17:19 |
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HatHaruhotep wrote:
Afrikans on the Continent must acknowledge that their stupidity, ignorance, jealousy, smallmindedness, and violence got us ALL where we are today.
Oh no you didn't! Lissen you small minded little wotsit, incase you didn't realise not all africans were involved and no africans alive today was actively involved.... wot about the tens of millions who lost family members? they should apologise for the 1000 chie
fs who sold lesser members of their tribes? Bull! like i said, we do not know the altimatums given to them by the europeans because we weren't there. Until you create a time machine an go back an see wot happened i think you need to chill with the name calling. KMT.
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Posted: Tuesday May 9th, 2006 17:20 |
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bubz wrote: I believe other countries have also acknowledged and apologised (Ghana and Gambia too I think). I could be wrong about that but I have read that others countries have apologised. I saw something on this site about Yoruba and Ashanti tribes being heavily invloved but not sure if they have publicly acknowledge their involvement too.
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I have read as well of other Africans "acknowledging" their involvement, but I only know of Benin as actually producing a formal apology from their Head of State.
bubz wrote:
The thing is there was no unity between Africans in the first place and that is why they were so easy to conquer. Then as now, Africans seemed more interested in fighting amongst themselves than recognising a common enemy and joining forces against that enemy. All tribes saw themselves (and still do I guess) as more or less unconnected to the next from what I have learnt. It's this same attitude that allows them (us) to still be exploited today.
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I agree that there was virtually no unity amongst Africans immediately prior to European enslavement, but the lack of African unity
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