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Posted: Monday January 9th, 2006 21:39 |
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We covered this a while back by asking what 'Blackness' meant to you...and then we did the English version where we basically took the Urine out of the British 'culture'.
But now what I wanted to concentrate on was, what people felt 'Africaness' was ie.. In the UK press today much has been made out of what they think Britisness might be, what it might look like for them..
I thought it might be interesting to flip this a little, and get a discussion going on what Africaness, (the African personality) means to us..what would the culture look like, what sort of things would we do, what would we wear, eat and be involved in, that sort of stuff...
Now when I'm talking Africaness, I'm not asking you to try and imagine life in the CONTINENT (unless you live there that is). i'm talking how you would interpret Africaness from where you stand ie in , UK, USA, Europe or Africa if that is where you live....etc etc...
Now I've deliberately not used the word BLACK..because I want people to think broader than just the European limitations of what that word means and instead think about what the African personality we all are supposed to aspire to might look like in the 21st Century.. I want good, bad and funny ok...lets see what you come up with...
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Posted: Tuesday January 10th, 2006 04:07 |
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Hmm, Good topic! I was having a similar discussion the other day and got nowhere fast. Sadly I think I tend to personify American-ness from a Black. I think I would need to travel out of my clamshell in order to fairly tackle this. I look forward to sitting on the fence and ear hustling this exchange!
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Posted: Tuesday January 10th, 2006 17:59 |
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From naming your children to going on a family holiday, to me, Africaness means putting Africa at the forefront of your mind in anything you do - ok, maybe not when buying food
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Posted: Tuesday January 10th, 2006 18:28 |
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Incognito wrote: From naming your children to going on a family holiday, to me, Africaness means putting Africa at the forefront of your mind in anything you do - ok, maybe not when buying food
Hmmm Incognito..thats great but....I want to know...what name would you give a child.. what type of cloths.. Food.. Leisure time I want a meated out example of Africaness...
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Posted: Tuesday January 10th, 2006 20:01 |
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@All right then I have been staying away waiting for the party to start because I think this is a very rich and imporant set of issues. Let's get the technical stuff out of the way first. Africaness is an ontology or epitsimology for the social scientists out there which means a way of knowing and being.
What do I mean by that. Same would ask what is femininity or masculinity or what it is to be a Chinaman or woman. In other words how do I know, see or experience the world in thoes specific terms. From which we indentify a range of characteristics, practices, norms or idiosyncracies which members of that specific group shares.
First for me Africaness is fundamentally about how we express ourselves, or masculinity or gender our energy our creativity or humour our confidence. It is fundamentally about confidence and a celebration in the god given things we have as a race. Whether it is our physicality or our belief in things not phsycial such as notions of destiny, faith and beliefs which gives us a collective confidence.
This is also shaped by a belief that we are one of the worlds oldest people which reinforces pride in what we do and how we do it. I don't think it can be reduced to things like food or clothes even though they are important to lesser degrees, but music in particular reflects how we think and move or understand sound and how our spirts move or emotional intelligence or sophistication. So the type of music we listen to I think would reflect that to some degree.
The names we give our children links them to their ancesstors of the names of others and important in self identity and what group you belong to or identify with on a particular level.
Enough for now.
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Posted: Tuesday January 10th, 2006 23:51 |
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girlfromthenc wrote: Africaness means CULTURE to me! The food, the many languages, the different styles of dress which all relates back to Africa!
I didn't miss you but I don't disagree. To me, Africaness/ism is the commonality in all African cultures and what defines 'African'.
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Posted: Wednesday January 11th, 2006 17:29 |
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@Kunjufu
I don't relate to Africa at the tribal level more Africa as a continent as such my approach is with respect to Africa so just about anything African will do.
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Posted: Wednesday January 11th, 2006 17:54 |
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Incognito wrote: @Kunjufu
I don't relate to Africa at the tribal level more Africa as a continent as such my approach is with respect to Africa so just about anything African will do.
Sorry Incognito..my fault maybe its me..I didn't explain myself properly, what i was trying to get people to flesh out, is what it would be like to move from being BLACK..to AFRICAN... in the 21st century...
Now given many of us will never contemplate living in AFRICA permenantly, it begs the question what would Africaness look like in the diaporra in the 21st Century. what would we look like, do or be like within this cultural paradigm..for example some might equate Africaness to conciousness. But what does 'being concious' mean?... Some might equate Africaness to linking back to Africentric doctrines and taking a more fundamentalist line.. Some may even Equate the term 'urban' culture as a barstadisation of Africaness in the 21st century diasporra....
What i'm trying get from people..is what are the icon's that symbolise Africaness... What is the behaviours that would be considered AFRICANESS... What would our culture look like within the parametres of AFRICANESS.... We talk about moving away from Western ideals... my thoughts are move away to were..based on our perception of what we THINK is African cultures....
Is that a bit clearer?
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Posted: Wednesday January 11th, 2006 22:11 |
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@Kunjufu
"my fault", followed by "maybe it is" - man you drive a hard bargain
I get you Fu and if I'm honest my take on Africa is based precisely on the notion that most of us will remain in the diaspora so my respect comes from Africa in the traditional sense meaning only Africans on the continent can define it and redefine it.
If there is an argument to suggest diasporans can help define a future Africa to the degree we simply become an extension or expansion of it, like planting new seeds which grow new roots then there's no limits into what we could define as being Africaness but I would argue hasn't the white man already done that - so for me it's tradition all the way - anything else would be an object defeating liberty.
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Posted: Friday January 13th, 2006 23:19 |
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I'd have to disagree w/you, but agree w/ Shabaka and her emphasis on the differences. I think to combine all African cultures into one dilutes each one's identity, and oversimplifies African culture in general.
Shabaka1 wrote: girlfromthenc wrote: Africaness means CULTURE to me! The food, the many languages, the different styles of dress which all relates back to Africa!
I didn't miss you but I don't disagree. To me, Africaness/ism is the commonality in all African cultures and what defines 'African'.
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Posted: Saturday January 14th, 2006 02:55 |
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Afriki wrote: I'd have to disagree w/you, but agree w/ Shabaka and her emphasis on the differences. I think to combine all African cultures into one dilutes each one's identity, and oversimplifies African culture in general.
Shabaka1 wrote: girlfromthenc wrote: Africaness means CULTURE to me! The food, the many languages, the different styles of dress which all relates back to Africa!
I didn't miss you but I don't disagree. To me, Africaness/ism is the commonality in all African cultures and what defines 'African'.
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Posted: Saturday January 14th, 2006 03:09 |
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Kunjufu wrote:
Sorry Incognito..my fault maybe its me..I didn't explain myself properly, what i was trying to get people to flesh out, is what it would be like to move from being BLACK..to AFRICAN... in the 21st century...
Now given many of us will never contemplate living in AFRICA permenantly, it begs the question what would Africaness look like in the diaporra in the 21st Century. what would we look like, do or be like within this cultural paradigm..for example some might equate Africaness to conciousness. But what does 'being concious' mean?... Some might equate Africaness to linking back to Africentric doctrines and taking a more fundamentalist line.. Some may even Equate the term 'urban' culture as a barstadisation of Africaness in the 21st century diasporra....
What i'm trying get from people..is what are the icon's that symbolise Africaness... What is the behaviours that would be considered AFRICANESS... What would our culture look like within the parametres of AFRICANESS.... We talk about moving away from Western ideals... my thoughts are move away to were..based on our perception of what we THINK is African cultures....
Is that a bit clearer?
The bolded part is what I found the most interesting, and I belivie that opinion will effect our view on Africaness and africa, very much.
I mean is it probable to stay in place where your culture isn't really practiced or where you have some issues with practicing it ? My point is that the main cultures in Europe is and should be European (this Europe after all, however should Europe want to adopt the better things in africa, well then I can't blame them). In you Europe the african cultures then take a backset ? This includes various expressions for african culture too, such food, dress, rites, traditions etc...
With other words , resistance is futile we will be assimilited , for good or bad...
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Posted: Saturday January 14th, 2006 12:21 |
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Kunjufu wrote: Incognito wrote: @Kunjufu
I don't relate to Africa at the tribal level more Africa as a continent as such my approach is with respect to Africa so just about anything African will do.
Sorry Incognito..my fault maybe its me..I didn't explain myself properly, what i was trying to get people to flesh out, is what it would be like to move from being BLACK..to AFRICAN... in the 21st century...
Now given many of us will never contemplate living in AFRICA permenantly, it begs the question what would Africaness look like in the diaporra in the 21st Century. what would we look like, do or be like within this cultural paradigm..for example some might equate Africaness to conciousness. But what does 'being concious' mean?... Some might equate Africaness to linking back to Africentric doctrines and taking a more fundamentalist line.. Some may even Equate the term 'urban' culture as a barstadisation of Africaness in the 21st century diasporra....
What i'm trying get from people..is what are the icon's that symbolise Africaness... What is the behaviours that would be considered AFRICANESS... What would our culture look like within the parametres of AFRICANESS.... We talk about moving away from Western ideals... my thoughts are move away to were..based on our perception of what we THINK is African cultures....
Is that a bit clearer?
Okay, after seeing this I think I can now tackle this question from the standpoint as someone in the Diaspora. You bring out some salient points here.
To me African-ness would have to be a productive alternative to Western-ness, too many of us find this dysfunctional thing attractive. IMO Western implies a lot, it is cut throat, selfish, prejudice, chaotic, violent yet very driven.
From my perch in the USA I sit and see Africa as something that should embody hope, personal responsibility, drive, innovation, tradition (not the kind that undermines, good decisions) and a willingness to adjust and lead.
Culturally: I think it needs to refine and reintroduce elements that could make us better and more united. It has to provide us a vision beyond the current open aired museum stuff (Example: the Maasai in Kenya, Safaris and other such entertainment drive acts). It has to give us an economic push that goes beyond incents, farming and selling books and oil (in the WEST). We need it to provide a push in Math and Science, Healthy relationships, Business and life in general.
Religiously: Give us back our Gods (not the Xtian and Muslim stuff that is killing us) We need to have ideas that reflect us!
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To Be Afrikan
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All people, all over the world, throughout history have shared in common the fact that they belong to a culture of origin. That is a universal reality. Another equally important universal reality is that there are many, many different cultures in the world and each of them is unique.
The uniqueness of a culture is what gives specialness to its members. The members of a culture are bonded together by their shared culture, which gives them a sense of collective identity.
"We are an Afrikan people," simply reveals that there are values, traditions and a heritage that we share because we have a common origin. The cultural process is naturally a ongoing, which allows people to continuously affirm their connectedness through being linked to their origins.
However, the continuity of our cultural identity has been interrupted cruelly and unnaturally by the experience of slavery. We as a people are still suffering from this crime because we have not been allowed to find our way back to the sense of cultural identity and continuity which would transform us into a unified and whole people. We have not been able to function in the world with a collective consciousness that naturally imparts a strong sense of cultural roots.
The term "Maafa" (from the book, "Let The Circle Be Unbroken) is a kiswahili word for "disaster" that we are now using to reclaim our right to tell our own story. Maafa refers to the enslavement of our people and to the sustained attempt to dehumanize us. Because the Maafa has disconnected us from our cultural origins, we have remained vulnerable in a social order that does not reflect our cultural identity.
We are people of African ancestry living in denial of who we are. We have lost our strength as a people. We are losing our children to systems which miseducate them. Our families are disintegrating before our eyes. Our numbers are growing in the statistics of drug addiction and incarceration.
Responsible national Black organizations are seeking remedies to these problems, but we are not speaking with one voice. We need to work together as a family who supports its members and who is responsible for their welfare. We must use the most valuable asset that we have: That is the spirit of our people. It is that spirit that connects us to our Afrikan roots.
Slowly, we are awakening to the need to claim our cultural legacy. The term "Sankofa" from Akan tradition in Ghana, West Africa tells us to return to the Source so that we can go forward with strength and clarity. Culture is a powerful tool for inspiring human beings and bringing them together in a concerted "family" action.
Our cultural roots are the most ancient in the world. The spiritual concepts of our Ancestors gave birth to religious thought African people believe in the oneness of the African family through sacred time, which unites the past, the present and the future.
Our Ancestors live with us. They created the first civilizations thousands of years ago and they suffered the pain of the Maafa. And yet, they were able to endure the most disastrous and dehumanizing circumstances ever perpetrated against a group of people, only because of the power of the African spirit. They did not have the freedom to affirm their cultural heritage. We now have that choice. In the African view of life it is our responsibility to honor their name.
This is perhaps our moment of truth. We must come together as a family. We must do all that we can do to uplift our people. Otherwise, we are still denying who we are and bringing dishonor to our "family name;" to our Ancestors.
The answer to our social dilemma is the resocialization of our people into the cultural value-system that affirms our spiritual being. Our Ancestors are calling us "home", back to our cultural selves. We must begin the process of Sankofa.
Copyright (c) 1999 Dr. Marimba Ani. All Rights Reserved.
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Africaness means to me rich history that my ancestors are part of, being strong, having pride and proudness, having rhythm as an integral part of African culture.
Also, Africaness to me has a lot of supression and mystery to its languages, tribes, food, empire, and people.
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"The members of a diaspora must have once had a home of their own, a nation, if you like, but nevertheless a covenanted forever home, a site from which they may be (for a while excluded, but which is theirs, inalienably.
This home, this land is not important only as a physical place; it is even more important as the source, root, final location for a determinable lineage..The power of the idea lies in the principle of it: that a return is possible forever, whenever, if ever. It is this possibility - this inalienable right to wish a return, to reclaim connections to a lineage, however fractured, that makes one individual a part of a diffuse and disparate collections of persons we call the diaspora.
Moreover, that retrospective capacity makes brothers and sisters of all who are authorized, or who claim the right to the lineage. Such capacity, above all else, permits us to be African."
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From essay entitled "An African Diaspora: The Ontological Project" (in the edited collection, The African Diaspora: African Origins and New World Identities)
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Posted: Thursday January 18th, 2007 14:37 |
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"...what it would be like to move from being BLACK..to AFRICAN... in the 21st century..."
For me I would like to see us embrace Africa (in western societies) by reconnecting through our African names, (I say burn and release the English meaning less names we have be given or adopted - lol) I think this will help to instill a sence of pride in regards to who we really are, once again facilitating meaning and purpose to our journey back home (for some that is)
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Reminder of Topic!!!
Kunjufu wrote:
We covered this a while back by asking what 'Blackness' meant to you...and then we did the English version where we basically took the Urine out of the British 'culture'.
But now what I wanted to concentrate on was, what people felt 'Africaness' was ie.. In the UK press today much has been made out of what they think Britisness might be, what it might look like for them..
I thought it might be interesting to flip this a little, and get a discussion going on what Africaness, (the African personality) means to us..what would the culture look like, what sort of things would we do, what would we wear, eat and be involved in, that sort of stuff...
Now when I'm talking Africaness, I'm not asking you to try and imagine life in the CONTINENT (unless you live there that is). i'm talking how you would interpret Africaness from where you stand ie in , UK, USA, Europe or Africa if that is where you live....etc etc...
Now I've deliberately not used the word BLACK..because I want people to think broader than just the European limitations of what that word means and instead think about what the African personality we all are supposed to aspire to might look like in the 21st Century.. I want good, bad and funny ok...lets see what you come up with...
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Thanks Breadfruit for refocusing the thread.....
Ok allow me to ask..Can I be African..and like/respect certain types of music, be in a 'proffessional' job or wear name brands with pride is that Africaness?
Do I have to be an activist to be considered African?
Which well known person would i consider to be the epitomy of Africaness?
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Kunjufu wrote:
Ok allow me to ask..Can I be African..and like/respect certain types of music, Depends if African in mind or by race be in a 'proffessional' job or wear name brands with pride is that Africaness? Same as above
Do I have to be an activist to be considered African? Everyone is an activist in their own capacity. Just by the choices they make which has influence on others. So yes and no.
Which well known person would i consider to be the epitomy of Africaness?
Rusty Lee as much as anyone even if her big hearty laugh was false sometimes.. But dont see how anybody can be the epitomy of anything? To me an African simply is. I asked myself the qusetion can I find a man/woman who is the epitom of being Euro/ Chinese.. too many shapes and sizes.
For me the African personality in the UK has been typified by Carribean culture at the youth level. From the sound system orators of old... to the natural old traditions of family and child rearing first practiced when we landed here..and by the overall relationship of the host country to Africa..which in turn is the guiding force behind our experience here. The African personality ( that is aware of itself) has been a result of external pressures. As it was on the plantation or in enclosed colonies.
But one thing I will say is to be an African is to be concious of our history ona continental level.. I would say that is a pre-requiste even for those from the continent who may only be aware of their tribal histories. The very word demands that a knowledge of the shared history of the continent is known even superficially. For example I met a young Kenyan lady who was not aware of the civilisations of West and North Africa and that the latter was black. Is she an African or just merely a Kamba on another level.
Are we taking race here or the personality of a continent? If race then a person is always African. If we are talking culture then it varies. You get Africans from everywhere that are psydo European in thought and deed. To be African is to see the commonality in the continent and beyond. Otherwise your an Luo/ Igbo or Jamaican/ Nigerian/ marroon/ and all the subsets.
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