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Posted: Tuesday August 16th, 2005 02:27 |
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......the children of black immigrants from all over the black diaspora have one thing in common...being born in this country having duel alligances, to the british crown and their ancestoral homeland. i have white friends alot of whom have duel nationalities and some simply claim total alliance to either. but only in western eyes are we convieniently named under the same umbrella as "black".
within the united states their is a common bond of the history of slavery to unite a people. From this long history created civil rights leaders; martin luthor king, malcom x, farakan etc..
within britain the presence of a reasonibly successful and comforteable black emmigrant community has seen it's young develope the same apathetic attitudes to it's white counter parts. ...
the young are dissinfranchised with their parents.
they need a uniting force polarising them to feel proud about themselves and to galvanise a sense of pride abiout their duel identity in an extreme way. and if this takes the form of an extremist then so be it if a black oswald mosely! or british luis farakan is called for then that is what is needed .....
p.s. i've had no sleep and i'm starting to see cats....
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Posted: Tuesday August 16th, 2005 02:36 |
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No we dont because he/she will get killed and even if someone were allowed to arise in this current political climate it will be because they were allowed to and therefore immediately become suspect.
We have already had enough righteous leaders over the centuries that have given us the blueprints for what we need to be doing,we have the tools we need to use them,its not about leaders any more its about group,strength in number activities.
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Posted: Tuesday August 16th, 2005 10:51 |
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so what do you suggest we do?
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Posted: Tuesday August 16th, 2005 11:17 |
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so what do you suggest we do?
Well by me even putting forward any suggestions of any kind puts me in the position of being some kind of ersatz leader and there is nothing I desire less.
But just on a micro level,things like spending the majority of your money with other Blacks,buying property rather than renting,even if it means 6 or 7 people have a share of the house,READ MORE YOUR(STORY) rather than history.
Things like this are a good place to start and things like this are being done now but it needs to increase a thousand fold to have impact.
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Posted: Tuesday August 16th, 2005 14:02 |
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Interesting.
An extremist leader is good in the sense that he/she gets people to focus on one area whereas most people have adhd and their attention follows every place rain touches. You guys in the UK are so diverse that finding someone with the right tune could be hard. I know money is the Universal language, perhaps the person can be an economist and beigin talking about money and branch off into the other areas in a hardcore fashion.
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Posted: Tuesday August 16th, 2005 17:16 |
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What is "extremist"?
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Posted: Tuesday August 16th, 2005 19:08 |
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| MGL has my vote.
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Posted: Wednesday August 17th, 2005 04:23 |
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Farrakhan is no extremist.
We don't have any more extremist leaders in the AfroAmerican community anymore, they've all been "dealt with".
Khalid Muhammad was one of the last.
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Posted: Monday August 22nd, 2005 14:03 |
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even though notable afro carribean figures do have jobs of authority..
baroness amos, diane abbot, trevor phillips etcc...there is no visible representative of the current generation of british born and raised afro-carribean people....
i therefore state that these figures dont want to rock the boat. after all there are still more people of colour stopped and searched than their white counterparts, more people of colour in the jails than their white counter parts....
i'm saying that the british courts are rascist (?!) but it's a fact that more white people can afford better legal service than afro-caribs. ....and thats just in the city of london ....it's a totally diferent position out side of london......
....'im calling for some or any of the aforementioned people to pretend to take an active involvement in at least some of these issues and stop kissing the arses of their white bosses !!!!!!!!!
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Posted: Monday August 22nd, 2005 15:35 |
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Peace!
jett black wrote:
We have already had enough righteous leaders over the centuries that have given us the blueprints for what we need to be doing,we have the tools we need to use them,its not about leaders any more its about group,strength in number activities.
Just a Question- What is the work of a leader then- if not to galvanise and organise group strength in numbers- isnt that what all our leaders have done?
And to the rest of da thread i agree wid MGL- what the hell is extremist - and are there any that we would say fit the profile for this kinda of leadership in this country?
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Posted: Monday August 22nd, 2005 18:36 |
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Blakk 1 wrote: Peace!
jett black wrote:
We have already had enough righteous leaders over the centuries that have given us the blueprints for what we need to be doing,we have the tools we need to use them,its not about leaders any more its about group,strength in number activities.
Just a Question- What is the work of a leader then- if not to galvanise and organise group strength in numbers- isnt that what all our leaders have done?
And to the rest of da thread i agree wid MGL- what the hell is extremist - and are there any that we would say fit the profile for this kinda of leadership in this country?
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Yes you are correct, but the kind of "leaders" we need now would do best to fly extremely low under the radar because the minute they become too high profile,well...........you can finish that sentence.
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Posted: Monday August 22nd, 2005 23:21 |
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| What about brother Huey from the New Black Panther Party in London?
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Posted: Monday August 22nd, 2005 23:30 |
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Omaar wrote:
Farrakhan is no extremist.
We don't have any more extremist leaders in the AfroAmerican community anymore, they've all been "dealt with".
Khalid Muhammad was one of the last.
What do you mean that Brother Khalid Muhammed was dealt with? I read the copies of reports surrounding Khalid Muhammeds death,he died of a severe brain anarisim caused by severe high blood pressure (hyper tension) The thing is he might have had a chance to survive if his supposed wife had immediately called the emergency services after he had collapsed in his washroom instead of just laying him on the floor for the rest of the night without giving him the medical attention he needed at that time.
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Posted: Tuesday August 23rd, 2005 23:54 |
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Peace!
Is it truly possible for a leader to galvanise the masses of the people- whilste being under the radar? i'm not so sure. though i do agree that all the strategies and activities need not be made public- however the leader him/herself, it seems to me must be a prominent figure- if they are to be a leader.
On the Khalid issue- we musnt be fooled! in this day and age suffistication is the name of the game Brain Anurism though it may have been- it may not have been all that simple. it has suggested the circumstances surrounding his chances of survival are suspect to say the very least- is it to far fectched to draw the same conclusion on the Anuriam itself?
Huey Rose- i read bout him - dnt kno to much bout him to judge- anyone else got an opinion? and is there anyone else BC would suggest - in terms of so called Extremist Black Leadership in this country!
What is extremist!!!
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Posted: Wednesday August 24th, 2005 08:29 |
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Meet the Chairman of the New Black Panther Party (UK):
Try reading this:
http://www.blackchat.co.uk/theblackforum/forum9/10110.html
By the way, what exactly is meant by "extremist"?
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Posted: Wednesday August 24th, 2005 16:19 |
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Dont know about extremist it would be nice to have a leader in a few fields. That is in the full sense of the word and not just a Black person in a government position because they are not leaders.
I dont believe people can be leaderless and head for a common aim and destiny either.
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Posted: Wednesday August 24th, 2005 16:20 |
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Dont know about extremist it would be nice to have a leader in a few fields. That is in the full sense of the word and not just a Black person in a government position because they are not leaders.
I dont believe people can be leaderless and head for a common aim and destiny either.
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Posted: Wednesday August 24th, 2005 19:31 |
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What do you mean that Brother Khalid Muhammed was dealt with? I read the copies of reports surrounding Khalid Muhammeds death,he died of a severe brain anarisim caused by severe high blood pressure (hyper tension) The thing is he might have had a chance to survive if his supposed wife had immediately called the emergency services after he had collapsed in his washroom instead of just laying him on the floor for the rest of the night without giving him the medical attention he needed at that time.
Khalid Muhammad was a strong man in the prime of health, he was in no way a candidate to be a stroke victim.
The man was murdered.
Mansa
I dont believe people can be leaderless and head for a common aim and destiny either.
Me neither.
Our problem is too many of us don't want to accept discipline and submit to the authority of a leader.
Every one of us want to be leader ourselves.
I'll admit I too am guilty of this.
It's hard for us to trust our own leaders for some reason.
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Posted: Wednesday August 24th, 2005 20:06 |
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not an extremist
a revolutionary type of person
thats what the black uk needs
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Posted: Wednesday August 24th, 2005 23:07 |
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No in the climate we are living in such a extreme person will unfortunately not be tolerated by the british.
Mentality these days is for unity and exceptance amongst different races (i except and appreciate, i just dont conform).
A person like this will most probably be shot or disrupted somehow by the govermnent if he/she gets too powerful. We are living in different times and different climate for such a thing and i think we need new ways of producing and getting behind someone of such mentality.
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Posted: Wednesday August 24th, 2005 23:13 |
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Yeah farakhan is not an extremist
Yes it will be good to have to have that kind of aleader in the uk.
But majority of the black settled englsh people are still dependant on the white.. I dont really see any ounce of black ownership in this country. So as long as we still depend alot on the white folk this aint gonna jump of right.
Besides its probably gonna be a black dude that will shoot him down. Its just the way it iz.
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Posted: Wednesday August 24th, 2005 23:43 |
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Posted: Thursday August 25th, 2005 06:52 |
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To tell you the living truth, I don't know if Blacks in England are READY for an extremist leader.
They certainly aren't here in America.
First of all let's look at this term "extremist".
In order to have an extremist leader, there must be etreme ideas.
What are Black people "extreme" about?
What values are we willing to die for?
So little of us have values, opinions, and principles we're adamant about and willing to protect there is really no demand for an extremist organization.
So many of us are satisfied just getting a drink, a smoke, and a few available clubs to chill at and as long as white people allow us to do that we don't complain.
To hell with how our women are treated.
To hell with what our children are learning in school.
To hell with preserving some of our cultures and traits.
As long as the white man allows me to have a little fun, I'm alright.
Other men like Indians, Koreans, Chinese, Somalis, and Arabs want to control their own destiny and don't want other men involved trying to tell them how to treat their families or run their governments.
That's why their fighting colonialism, slavery, occupation, and changing of values.
It looks crazy and extreme to many of us because we don't have that type of mentality nor do we value our culture and ideology that strongly that we're willing to die for it.
We'd rather die at the hand of a racist cop half drunk in a club or on the floor of a jail than to die fighting for freedom.
Do we care whether or not we hold tight to our values?
If not, there's not need to start a group over something you don't feel that strongly about in the first place.
And don't make the mistake thinking you can start an extremist group centered around being "Black".
Our people are too divided and varied for that type of group.
You can start an "extremist" group claiming to represent Black people and the cracka will just trot out a bunch of sorry negroes to come on television and condemn everything you stand for and declare that you don't represent "Black people".
An extremist doesn't smile and say:
 "Well those are your opinions, and these are mine and let us agree to disagree."
No....
An extremist tries his damndest to promote and push his values and opinions on everyone he comes across.
An extremist is always pushing his program.
An extremist is always trying to recruit others and win them over to his line of thought.
An extremist doesn't lick his finger and hold it up in the air to see which way the wind is blowing to decide what's the right thing to say at the right moment.
An extremist uses no diplomacy but talks shock.
An extremist doesn't sell out for money or coochie.
An extremist doesn't compromise his morals and what he believes is right.
As an extremist, you must have a set of values and principles you're willing to rally around and die for for it to truly be extreme.
I have strong opinions but I don't consider myself an extremist by a long shot but I don't mind letting my feelings about controversial subjects made crystal clear. But some of yall aren't ready for an extremism and it's self evident on these websites and conciousness rallies, too many of the men have become soft and pacified. If you're too considerate and reserved to even argue you opinions with other people you're damn sure not ready to be an extremist.
So my question to some of you is is what are you extreme about?
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Posted: Thursday August 25th, 2005 09:59 |
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Peace!
Hhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
@ Omaar- interesting post. agree with alot of your analysis on the current manifestations of alot of out people, very true. however a so called extreme leader is generally born out of the desperate an extreme condidtion of their people- which means by implication more often than not, the people who they come to lead are (to use use your words) " not ready" for those knid of ideas. Was the black World ready for Marcus Mosiah Garvey, was the USA ready of Malclom X. judging by the condition of the people when they came- No! But what makes the leader unique is that they compell you to listen and take head- in effect make you ready!
Therefore the more decadent the state of the people- the more extreme the leadership needs to be.
Further more- by implication the leader will come at a time when the people are fighting an enemy currently has the upper hand in terms of power over them. if this was not the case there would be no need for the leader. therefore there will be formidable oposition anyway- this is not a reason not to have leadership. OPur own people will be used against us, very true but again, this is is not a reason for no leadership. All our previous leaders new their lives were at stake, that just a reflection of the time. Infact its almost an integral feature of the leader to be able to stand in the face of death.
What needs to happen is that the lessons of history are learnt, and leanrt well so that we dont continue to make the same mistakes, which means less leaders dead, and the people as a wahole stronger.
intersting post tho still.
Any otha opinions on Huey Rose. It seems as if he's is the only so called Extremist in the UK??
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Posted: Thursday August 25th, 2005 13:02 |
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@ Omaar
Well i dont think its that we are not ready for an extremist, i think its just that NOT ENOUGH of us are ready for such a person. There are African and carribean individuals who im sure are willing to give up there lives but it would not be to any prevail or recognition for change.
This type of person would need a mass support of people and recognition and i dont think that people are ready for it like you said.
Right now,I can never see myself risking my life for my people as selfish as it sounds because it would be to no avail. The government would treat is well that his own damn perogative if he killed himself we are not gonna throw any fuel on the flame of some insignificant stupid soul.
The thing is about extremism is that it creates a 'them' and 'us' following and mentality which breaths more race hate crimes and more inequality for those who are not even involved in such beliefs.
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