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Posted: Wednesday August 4th, 2004 13:41 |
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http://www.raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/ghandi.htm
I know there has been many a Black leader that looked up to Ghandi, so I figured I would throw this in so that we could realize that we need to know who WE are first and foremost.
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Posted: Wednesday August 4th, 2004 16:19 |
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| I recommmend reading V.S. Naipaul. He is Indo-Trinidadian and writes alot about Indian and Trinidadian politics. He also makes commentaries abotu Gandhi along similar lines. Last edited on Wednesday August 4th, 2004 16:19 by Medusa
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Posted: Wednesday August 4th, 2004 16:42 |
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| Thanks for the source. I will definitely check it out.
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Posted: Wednesday August 4th, 2004 16:59 |
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Nahlej wrote: http://www.raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/ghandi.htm
I know there has been many a Black leader that looked up to Ghandi, so I figured I would throw this in so that we could realize that we need to know who WE are first and foremost.
Well I have never felt any solidarity with Indians or P*kistanis or any one from that part of Asia.
I don't know who set up that website - you can invent all manner of conspiracy theories to explain why some one would say such things about Mr Gandhi.
Though I have to admit my personal experience of P*kis bears out what is said about mr Gandhi.
Either way if your point is that we Blacks should rely on our own and fight our own battles then I'm with you to the death.
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Posted: Saturday August 7th, 2004 18:27 |
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Not very surprising in view of the fact that it's 2004 and people from the Indian Sub continent are more racist to black people than whites are. If they exercise a cast system that looks down on people that look like themselves in the mirror, it would be foolish of us to think they see as as brothers.
I remember I was shopping in an Indian Meat shop West Green Road in North London and this Indian lady wanted meat. The Indian shop owner did not notice I was in the shop and told the lady not to buy it because that was meat they sold to black people. I was furious and confronted the man, since then I rarely buy anything from Indian shops.
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Posted: Monday August 23rd, 2004 11:27 |
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Energy wrote: Not very surprising in view of the fact that it's 2004 and people from the Indian Sub continent are more racist to black people than whites are. If they exercise a cast system that looks down on people that look like themselves in the mirror, it would be foolish of us to think they see as as brothers.
I remember I was shopping in an Indian Meat shop West Green Road in North London and this Indian lady wanted meat. The Indian shop owner did not notice I was in the shop and told the lady not to buy it because that was meat they sold to black people. I was furious and confronted the man, since then I rarely buy anything from Indian shops.
I've been to London once, and, I was left puzzled Almost all the stores were owned by P*kistanians, indians and so on. I dont think I saw one blackowned store. Even the 'weave-shops' were owned by indians, with only black customers. Someone here wrote something about a brand called 'pakcosmetic' something, at first, I took it as a joke. Now if I'm not totally wrong, black ppl have been in GB just as long as indians/P*kis, if not longer, howcome brittish blacks aren't as succesful?
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Posted: Monday August 23rd, 2004 12:09 |
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| Amina....The Windrush 1948 ......apart from the merest of smatterrings Asians 1963 but unlike every other Group here(including The White indigenous but excluding The Jewish peeps) they are prepared to work all hours The Good Lord sends them and(usually) the whole Family chip in.....Hard to beat that M8.
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Posted: Monday August 23rd, 2004 14:06 |
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This is not surprising as I have heard this before. I have also read it. I have heard from Southern Indians that some Northern Brahmin Indians are more racist and traitors to black people than whites are. Furthermore, these Hindu Brahmins are more dangerous to blacks than the Nazi's, and the KKK put together. All Indians are not bad, but many are really racist towards blacks of African descent. Just because Indians have dark skin and are various brown colors does not mean they are sympathetic towards black African people.
Many Indians feel that they are white people and even the darkest Indians think they are better than African blacks, so Ghandi's views are no surprise. You should read how badly they treat thier black untouchable Indian popultation currently in India, it would make you cringe. The black untouchable Indian women are raped on a regular basis by upper caste Indian men and the police do not want to do anything about it.
If you read the Indian times below is the web address, you will find many news stories about the bad treatment of India's black untouchables.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/795110.cms
Acid poured on private parts of Dalit widow
IANS[ THURSDAY, JULY 29, 2004 05:33:09 PM]
PATNA: In a brutal incident, a Dalit widow was
stripped, beaten and acid was poured on her private
parts allegedly on the orders of the headman of a
Bihar village.
Sumitra Devi, a resident of Jhapha Udan village in
Muzaffarpur district, was subjected to the ignominious
torture after being accused of having an affair with a
villager who disappeared mysteriously.
Village headman Ambika Ram and his supporters ordered
that she be punished.
Sumitra, who is now undergoing treatment at a
government hospital, told police that Ram and his men
held her hostage for 24 hours and then cut her hair,
beat her and stripped her. The accused poured acid on
her private parts, she alleged.
Police rescued her after receiving information that
she was being held hostage and took her to hospital.
But she spent an entire night in pain outside SKM
College and Hospital in Muzaffarpur before being
admitted for treatment.
A hospital doctor confirmed serious injuries to
Sumitra.
Police said she was tortured like an animal. "We
raided the village after getting information that
Sumitra was made hostage and rescued her on Tuesday,"
a police official said.
A police complaint has been lodged on the basis of
Sumitra's statement.
Muzaffarpur police have issued orders to arrest all
those involved in the incident, but till Thursday no
one had been caught.
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Posted: Saturday September 25th, 2004 19:24 |
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| Its of no surpirse to me that ghandi may not have been so peaceful as he is later portrayed to be. My father told me that much when i was growing up . But what i did not know was that he was a racist prick who kissed whiteys ass.
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Posted: Saturday November 13th, 2004 15:45 |
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....Remember when u were in high school? You know..... remember in history class whenever they spoke of Dr. Martin Luther King Junior they always had to make it known that Dr. Martin Luther King took all his non-violent principles and tactics from the "honorable" Mahatma Ghandi? Of course no black man could ever get credit for what he did and what he was able to accomplish...They always tell you that Dr. Martin Luther King was a DEVOUT follower of Ghandi and everything he ever learned he got from Ghandi Ghandi Ghandi...Soooooooo black people we should thank GOD that Ghandi saved our black asses from the oppressive white people because if it wasnt for this heavenly sent Indian man the black race would have crumbled to obscurity..in fact..we should thank Ghandi because if it wasnt for him we would still be slaves on Master Wilkins and Master Rajeev and Master Varun's plantations....
For the record..Ghandi didnt believe in the equal treatment black africans..as he called them the "kaffirs"..he felt they were inferior to whites as well as Indians or any other non-black minority. I believe it is very important for people to understand and get this information out because before u know it our history books will be saying the Ghandi was solely responsible for the peace movements in British India AND the Civil Rights movement in the United States.
"Gandhi was once thrown out of a train compartment which was reserved exclusivelyfor the Whites. It was not that Gandhi was fighting on behalf of the local Africans that he broke the rule in getting into a Whites' compartment. No! that was not the reason. Gandhi was so furious that he and his merchant caste Indians (Banias) were treated on par with the local Africans. This is the real reason for his fighting race discrimination in South Africa, and he had absolutely no concern about the pitiable way the Africans were treated by the Whites.
On June 2, 1906 he commented in the Indian Opinion that "Thanks to the Court's decision, only clean Indians (meaning upper caste Hindu Indians) or colored people other than Kaffirs, can now travel in the trains."
There is alot of information you can find on this..i have a view quick links u can get a simple overview on what im talking about...
http://www.trinicenter.com/WorldNews/ghandi.htm
http://www.trinicenter.com/LETTERS/raceandcolor.htm
http://www.amonhotep.com/
http://www.evolutionary-economics.org/KSH-Postings-Econ/137.html
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Posted: Saturday November 13th, 2004 15:52 |
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| I'm monitering this thread if it gets silly like the last fool fool one i will remove it in its entirity without warning...
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Posted: Saturday November 13th, 2004 15:52 |
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....Remember when u were in high school? You know..... remember in history class whenever they spoke of Dr. Martin Luther King Junior they always had to make it known that Dr. Martin Luther King took all his non-violent principles and tactics from the "honorable" Mahatma Ghandi? Of course no black man could ever get credit for what he did and what he was able to accomplish...They always tell you that Dr. Martin Luther King was a DEVOUT follower of Ghandi and everything he ever learned he got from Ghandi Ghandi Ghandi...Soooooooo black people we should thank GOD that Ghandi saved our black asses from the oppressive white people because if it wasnt for this heavenly sent Indian man the black race would have crumbled to obscurity..in fact..we should thank Ghandi because if it wasnt for him we would still be slaves on Master Wilkins and Master Rajeev and Master Varun's plantations....
For the record..Ghandi didnt believe in the equal treatment black africans..as he called them the "kaffirs"..he felt they were inferior to whites as well as Indians or any other non-black minority. I believe it is very important for people to understand and get this information out because before u know it our history books will be saying the Ghandi was solely responsible for the peace movements in British India AND the Civil Rights movement in the United States.
"Gandhi was once thrown out of a train compartment which was reserved exclusivelyfor the Whites. It was not that Gandhi was fighting on behalf of the local Africans that he broke the rule in getting into a Whites' compartment. No! that was not the reason. Gandhi was so furious that he and his merchant caste Indians (Banias) were treated on par with the local Africans. This is the real reason for his fighting race discrimination in South Africa, and he had absolutely no concern about the pitiable way the Africans were treated by the Whites.
On June 2, 1906 he commented in the Indian Opinion that "Thanks to the Court's decision, only clean Indians (meaning upper caste Hindu Indians) or colored people other than Kaffirs, can now travel in the trains."
So you accuse me of having something wrong talking about Asians, or drawing other to this site and then you post a site about an Asian man? I do not understand
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Posted: Saturday November 13th, 2004 15:53 |
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Kunjufu wrote: I'm monitering this thread if it gets silly like the last fool fool one i will remove it in its entirity without warning...
the last one should not have been removed, this site is getting really boring fast . What you should remove is the nonsense about blacks claiming other races.
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Posted: Saturday November 13th, 2004 15:55 |
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| Honeybun: please do not let me detain on this site any longer than is necassary ok...
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Posted: Saturday November 13th, 2004 15:55 |
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Posted: Saturday November 13th, 2004 15:58 |
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Then don't let the door knob hit you where the good Lord split you!
This site is boring without me, ha, ha. too many people who think the same way. What is your problem have you become another Sooofresh and Abyssinia? I hope not. You need debate that is what is interesting.
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Posted: Saturday November 13th, 2004 16:04 |
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honeybun wrote: Kunjufu wrote: I'm monitering this thread if it gets silly like the last fool fool one i will remove it in its entirity without warning...
the last one should not have been removed, this site is getting really boring fast . What you should remove is the nonsense about blacks claiming other races.
listen honeybun..im not saying this because i disagree with everthing u say..i agree..but for ur own good...u have alot of people against you...and they are not very sure of what ur agenda is...
if u want to reach people on issues that really bother you...try to find ways that would not be too offensive to others..if not..discuss this issues with ur friends..co-workers or classmates..it seems like u have alot u want to get of ur chest..but arguing with the moderators isnt going to make people stop locking ur topics..all im saying is..find another way
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Posted: Saturday November 13th, 2004 16:05 |
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| BTW..KEEP THIS THREAD CLEAN...I DONT WANT IT TO BE LOCKED...PLEASE PEOPLE..I THINK THIS INFORMATION IS IMPORTANT!
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Posted: Saturday November 13th, 2004 16:11 |
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honeybun wrote:This site is boring without me, ha, ha. too many people who think the same way. What is your problem have you become another Sooofresh and Abyssinia? I hope not. You need debate that is what is interesting.
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babygirl either you done fell and bumped your head or you need to put the crack pipe down. Boring without you?! Give me a friggin break! maybe when you leave next time and come back as someone different...you will grace the board with topics such as afro-Mitzubishi, afro-Dodge, afro-toyota...I'm sure we africans are related to these car-makers in some way...
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I am going to merge this thread because there is already one on this. Thanks.
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Posted: Saturday November 13th, 2004 16:12 |
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| Rite now i have beer breath.......................................burp!!
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Posted: Saturday November 13th, 2004 16:23 |
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PrincessAliya wrote: honeybun wrote: Kunjufu wrote: I'm monitering this thread if it gets silly like the last fool fool one i will remove it in its entirity without warning...
the last one should not have been removed, this site is getting really boring fast . What you should remove is the nonsense about blacks claiming other races.
listen honeybun..im not saying this because i disagree with everthing u say..i agree..but for ur own good...u have alot of people against you...and they are not very sure of what ur agenda is...
if u want to reach people on issues that really bother you...try to find ways that would not be too offensive to others..if not..discuss this issues with ur friends..co-workers or classmates..it seems like u have alot u want to get of ur chest..but arguing with the moderators isnt going to make people stop locking ur topics..all im saying is..find another way
I do not care, if people are against me, I hope that they are. I do not write my views for other people to be happy with them, whether a forum poster or a moderator. My views are my views and they are not going anywhere.
Your posting is no different than my posting. I could care less if no one on this site agrees with me. My agenda? what is your agenda? My agends is just to discuss the truth , topics that other people are too afraid to discuss. I have nothing to get off of my chest.
Like I said your posting is no different than mine, lets see how long the post will last.
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| Please click here and check the 2nd page of the thread. This is not new.
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