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Posted: Thursday June 7th, 2007 16:39

Still doesn't change the facts that the original article sought to express though does it? Did you have such a problem, when the media previously suggested it was Asians and not Africans who were outperforming others in education?

Did you get so hot and bothered about discounting it then.....if not, you should ask yourself why it is you may be doing so now?

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Posted: Thursday June 7th, 2007 16:51

Happiness wrote: 101stAirborne wrote: Happiness wrote:
Would never have thought it but the Euro trash are still suceeding at the divide and conquer. You people are appalling in your intrenecine bigotry and prejudice.

erm....I am not European - I am African.

Let's be real when we talk about bigotry....why not point fingers at your people for undermining the first post on this thread.

My people are Africans, irregardless to where they are geographically. You clarify my starement with the slant of your post. Intrenicine is between brothers therefore my indictment was of of all bigots whether they be Diasporian or native African. ANd be very aware the former European Masters enjoy these rivalries and always did. Rhwanda ring a bell?

ok - I am glad that you see your people as African. But I ask again, have you spoken directly against the bigotry of the AAs on this board?

this thread was started as a celebration of African immigrants not an indictment of African Americans. In fact, the study that was referenced also spoke about African immigrants out-performing Asians and whites. It was not African Immigrants vs African Americans.

This debate should have been about why this study has had so little exposure in mainstream media in the US, and what this really says about the psychology of racism in this country. We should have been having a discussion about why there is such a disportionally high percentage of African immigrants with university degrees or incomes well-above the national average and what can be gleamed from this.

Yet, the posts that came thereafter were either to dilute the study (oh...Africans are such a small number population-wise, therefore, their achivements are negligible) or to downright denigrate African people.

As an American, it would have been more meaningful for you to speak out clearly and concisely against the AAs on this board that poisoned this thread with their vitriol.

..."my indictment was of of all bigots whether they be Diasporian or native African.".. Can you read? I was born IN BRITIAN and I am therefore an immigrant as well. The observation by the jounalist cited at the beginning of this tread is just that, an observaton, not a "celebration" of anything. You think that a graduate engineer changing auto tyres under the supervision of a High School dropout is something to celebrate? There does not need to be any more discussion of why a "disproportionate" amount of African Immigrants have advanced degrees. That is elementary, they are the best thier nations have to offer, what about the other +98% who don't excel? The discussion should be: "how do we use advaced degrees to advance all of our people without falling into condecension of our less formally educated'? What good are advanced degrees if we only become more pawns of white captialist?

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Posted: Thursday June 7th, 2007 16:55

chi wrote: @ rockette, yes instead of division by tribe, its dvision by red and blue bandanas. It usually plays itself out in petty ignorant statements and refusal to marry from another tribe, rather than say a driveby shooting for example......

You do know that Osu is not a general belief dont you? That in most parts of Igbo land there is no such thing as Osu, it exists, but only in some parts of Igboland, most people I know have never even met one, thats how small in number the Osu community is, but then I guess you already know that. You are right its something which needs to be addressed.

Just think about it, with osu, White worship and tribalism.....still outperforming other communities in their own land, even those Whites they worship.....wow, we Blacks can do anything!!!

Any info on how these issues play out in these African immigrant communities in the US Rockette?

Some activities like the example below most certainly are curtailed in the US (for now), but don't tell me tribalism is not at the root of your hatred towards Black Americans...let's be real about this. Everything I've learned informs me that "integration" is certainly not necessary between our communities. Follow the link for the full gist.

http://www.nigeriansinamerica.com/articles/1763/1/Death-of-A-Husband/Page1.html

Death of A Husband

Chinwe Azubuike

In different parts of the world, irrespective of religion, tradition and culture, widows are victims of violence and oppression at the hands of close family members and so-called friends, especially their in-laws. The story below clearly illustrates my thoughts on this matter. The characters and locations are real.

So I ask this question - Do widows deserve to have their human rights stripped from them and violated when their husbands die?

My Uncle Leo had hired mobs and touts who carried sticks and weapons to batter my mother and family. My Uncle Christian, and his sister, (our Aunty) Mrs Rozaline, gathered all the women of the Duruigbo clan who carried firewood and cains to beat my mother with, according to Tradition. Then, in full view of the public, including people of other tribes and some staff of the Intercontinental Bank as well, who came from Lagos to our village to witness the burial, my Uncle Mr.Christian Azubuike stripped my father's body of his funeral clothes, which had been carefully chosen and dressed by my younger brother, Chukwuma. Christian took out a large sharpened knife and to the horror of all, desecrated the body. Splitting my father's stomach open, like a gutted fish, and then started to probe inside, justifying his action by stating he was searching for some vital organs or bodyparts in the absurd thought that we, Wisdom's immediate family, would have used them for money making rituals. Eventually yet still in the eyes of the amazed public, everything was carelessly put back to the way the mortuary workers had left it but the damage had been done and witnesses had overseen this cruel barbaric act by their fellow Nigerians. Once one has witnessed such an act nothing will quite seem the same again.

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Posted: Thursday June 7th, 2007 16:59

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Posted: Thursday June 7th, 2007 17:06

Rockette, dont be silly, I do not hate African Americans, I have no reason to hate African Americans. What gave you the idea that I hate African Americans?

Capo......just be straight with me, where did I insult African Americans, cut and paste for me to see it please?

My posts have been centred around Africans if the truth be known.......you are actually trying to pre-empt something which was never there in the first place.

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Posted: Thursday June 7th, 2007 17:15

Rockette....you still have not explained to me the bearing of all these issues you have raised among African immigrants in the US? i still dont understand the connection between these things and the suggested educational advancements of African immigrants in the US

Even the treatment of widos, Osu, juju, tribalism hasn't stopped us from progressing ....wonders shall never cease, what a blessed people huh?

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Posted: Thursday June 7th, 2007 17:19

chi wrote: Rockette, dont be silly, I do not hate African Americans, I have no reason to hate African Americans. What gave you the idea that I hate African Americans?

Capo......just be straight with me, where did I insult African Americans, cut and paste for me to see it please?

My posts have been centred around Africans if the truth be known.......you are actually trying to pre-empt something which was never there in the first place.

It wasnt you directly Chi. It was others that turned this into a us against you thread.

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Posted: Thursday June 7th, 2007 17:26

King Capo wrote: chi wrote: Rockette, dont be silly, I do not hate African Americans, I have no reason to hate African Americans. What gave you the idea that I hate African Americans?

Capo......just be straight with me, where did I insult African Americans, cut and paste for me to see it please?

My posts have been centred around Africans if the truth be known.......you are actually trying to pre-empt something which was never there in the first place.

It wasnt you directly Chi. It was others that turned this into a us against you thread.

Oh because I was about to say.....I know I haven't insulted anyone or been racist at all.

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Posted: Thursday June 7th, 2007 17:52

chi wrote: Still doesn't change the facts that the original article sought to express though does it? Did you have such a problem, when the media previously suggested it was Asians and not Africans who were outperforming others in education?

Did you get so hot and bothered about discounting it then.....if not, you should ask yourself why it is you may be doing so now?

The only thing that gets me hot under the collar is your open bigotry against Black Americans, and I've finally honed in on its roots by learning more about your culture. No matter how embarrassing it might be...Black Americans may as well deal with this issue before it gets out of hand. Here's a portion of what Dr. Osuji has to say about common characteristics of a particular group:

http://messageboard.biafranigeriaworld.com/ultimatebb.cgi/ubb/get_topic/f/1/t/002198/p/1.html

Can An Igbo Govern Nigeria At This Time?

by Ozodi Thomas Osuji
Igbos behavior in this regard reminds you of what white racists do. Even the dumbest white racist assumes that he is smarter than all black folks, unaware that there are black folks with superior intelligence. But just because he is white, he assumes that he is more intelligent than all blacks. This is what Igbos are doing; it is called prejudice, bias and bigotry. You see an average Igbo person and he assumes that he is smatter than all Hausas or Yorubas. You shake your head in amazement as to why he should have such a nonsensical view of reality.BOASTFULNESS

Whereas many human beings are prone to boasting, Igbos are particularly prone to boasting. The Igbo is always telling you about his supposed great accomplishments. Whereas it is true that he tends to work hard and is achievement oriented, his actual material accomplishment is not more than other people?s accomplishments. The Igbos are not more accomplishing than Hausas, Yorubas and Edos.

If you listened to Igbos, you would think that other groups are just sitting on their behinds and doing nothing and only Igbos are the ones accomplishing much in life.

Igbos are always comparing themselves to other people. If you are the humble type that does not toot your horns, Igbos will see you as not accomplishing and as a failure in life. Even if, in fact, it is true that you are not a social success, what business of theirs is it? Some human beings are not motivated by social success. Some Indians, Sadhu, for example, walk into the forest and contemplate the nature of God and that is all they want to do with their lives. Some such persons made the greatest contribution to human knowledge. For all their bravadoes, Igbos have contributed zilch to philosophy, psychology and the physical sciences.

Analytically, what struck me as I observed Igbos is that, as individuals, they tend to feel inordinately inferior to other people and, like most neurotics, seek to seem superior to other people. The neurotic, as Alfred Adler tells us (The Neurotic Constitution), for any number of reasons feels inordinately inferior and does not like his felt inferiority and compensates with desire for superiority. He feels an obsessive-compulsive desire to seem superior to his environment and ?Acts as if? he is superior to other people.

Generally, the neurotic tells other people lie about himself; he tells tall tales that would seem to make him seem superior in other people?s eyes. He hopes that he has deceived those he is lying to and that they have accepted his make belief stories of success.They feel inordinately inferior and want to seem superior. They are not superior to any one. They merely act as if they are superior to other people.

To act as if one is superior to other people is a sign of mental illness. A mentally healthy person assumes that he is the same and equal to all people. It is a neurotic who pretends that he is superior to other people.

Certain types of neurotics, paranoid personalities, want to seem superior to other people. They are grandiose and have inflated sense of importance and want other people to collude with them and tell them that they are the imaginary important persons they want to be and pretend to be. If you validate their imaginary importance they feel happy, if not, they feel angry at you. The paranoid personality is interested in being seen as a very important person and fears being seen as if he is not important. He easily feels demeaned, degraded, belittled, humiliated and insulted by other people. When his imaginary sense of importance is not affirmed by other people, he reacts with anger at them. His temper tantrum is designed to rehabilitate his injured vanity. Like a little child, he thinks that narcissistic rage would make those he is angry at to see him as their boss. He beats his chest like a gorilla to impress you with his power, when, in fact, he is a scared little child. A child you could call his bluff by putting a bullet into his ape head.The antisocial personality generally feels a sense of entitlement. He feels special and feels as if the world owes him a living. Not getting what he thinks that he deserves from other people, he steals it. The antisocial personality, aka sociopath and psychopath, has no sense of remorse from taking what does not belong to him. He does not feel guilt from stepping on other peoples toes. Indeed, he enjoys hurting other people for that kind of makes him seem powerful. (Igbo slave sellers used to feel powerful from capturing and selling Igbo slaves; that is, they felt proud from hurting other people. The antisocial personality is the most spiritually underdeveloped human being on earth; in fact, he is more like animals and not human beings. He belongs in jails and prisons, not in normal society.)

The Igbos expects other Nigerians to see them as an achieving people, and as a very important people and to admire them. In the meantime, they do not pay attention to other Nigerians. They do not admire other Nigerians. They are obviously not going to get attention from other Nigerians and generally do not get positive attention from other Nigerians. They are then baffled by their not getting positive attention from other Nigerians for in their narcissistic delusion they had convinced themselves that they deserved attention from other Nigerians.

I believe that the tendency for other Nigerians to attack and sometimes kill Igbos is a response to Igbo boastfulness and tendency to put other Nigerians down. Igbos, for example, constantly denigrate Hausas. Given human nature, Hausas naturally feel insulted by Igbo derogatory name calling and react with anger at them, attack and sometimes kill them. To pure reason, it is perfectly understandable why Hausas attack Igbos.

Igbos degrade other Nigerians and other Nigerians take that degradation until they reach a breaking point and snap and let Igbos have it---exhibit violence towards Igbos. (We, black persons, resent it if white persons see us as inferior to them. If that is the case, how come Igbos do not recognize that other Nigerians resent them if they see them as inferior? Considering that most other Nigerians are developmentally ahead of Igbos, one does not even understand why Igbos pretend to be superior to them.)

Igbos have other delusional habits. For example, if a few Igbos in the Nigerian government seem to be doing a good job, Igbos claim that but for the Igbos the Nigerian government would be hopelessly lost. In the present political dispensation at Abuja, it seems that the Minister of Finance, Mrs. Ngozi Iweala and the Governor of the Central Bank of Nigeria, Mr. Soludo, are doing a good job (?). Igbos take pride in them and on their account claim that it is Igbos that make the Nigerian government work well. They conveniently forget the musical chairs Igbos have been playing at the Senate where one Igbo president of the Senate after another was incompetent and booted out. They forget corrupt Igbo politicians like the sacked minister of education.

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Posted: Thursday June 7th, 2007 18:04

Happiness wrote: girlfromthenc wrote: Happiness wrote: stick-upKid wrote: Chi, a lot of the world's problems wouldn't happen if only people showed just a little courtesy, a little respect.

I'm sure Af-ams wouldn't hate immigrant Africans so much if only we showed a little understanding for their struggle.

Look, i've never been to America, but if/when I go, I'll be respectful towards Af-ams that I meet, simply because I believe they deserve it, in my view.

At the end of the day, the achievements of AAs is something all Africans, no matter where you're born, should be proud of. The African-American experience has become a big part of the 'black' experience.

Respect goes both ways: show it and you'll get it.

naivete!

come visit America and you will see the full force of African American bigotry towards Africans.

I came to the US because I thought as you did and I wanted to be around African Americans who I believed were progressive people; I was inspired by their struggle and achivements. Got here and because I had an English accent, many AAs did not know I was African.

They spoke their minds! LOL!

If you want to be around progressive AAs you will have to be around the academians or those who are enlightened. But the average Joe will not hold you in high esteem (well, unless you have an English accent! LOL!!)

Come visit first.

Stickup Only a fool would believe this story.

I suppose next we're going to be told that these AA people thought Happiness was the Queen of England because of her "English" accent............

I wonder do they actually teach little Nigerians in school, well the ones that can AFFORD to go, how to try and sound "English". Maybe its the Nigerian parents who don't want their children to walk around sounding "too" African...........

dont be so stupid. Really, you sound so completely unintelligent.

BUT I HAVE AN "ENGLISH" ACCENT TOO.....................

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Posted: Thursday June 7th, 2007 18:19

chi wrote: @Girl from the NC.......if you are going to accuse someone of being racist, at least let it be grounded in reality........there was nothing racist or even insulting to Black Americans that was typed by me, in fact my post centred around Africans.....I would be grateful if you can cut and paste MY "RACIST" WORDS....thanks.

Dont just come here making up accusations, just to make a point.

As far as the brain drain, it is a problem, but one that is actually being addressed, there are plenty of organisations and programs which are addressing this very issue......in fact if you ask many Nigerians and Ghanaians, they will tell you of a new trend of people either moving back or at least establishing companies back home, the problem is that no attention is given to this reality, so people are ignorant about it. My mum came back from Nigeria not long ago and she came across many such companies specifically geared towards creating an atmosphere where Nigerians abroad can come home and use what they have aquired abroad, be it education or practical experience.

Anyone who has heard of Transcorp can tell you, that foreign educated Nigerians are turning back towards what they can contribute back home, but CNN is not going to tell you. There is still a way to go, but inroads HAVE already been made.

Is this the piont of the original article? Or is it that we must automatically find something to dampen our achievements, because its bemusing to me that after the article has come to light, ALMOST IMMEDIATELY......people started to search for less positive "facts"....lol

Everyone is allowed to go back and read every poster's comments starting from the first to last.

There was nothing remotely negative on the thread until AFRICANS showed up, saying racist thing against Afro-American people. That's when the board went down hill.

Till this day the AA people have never attacked anyone. AA posters have been posting articles or asking questions like are these people sending the money home, what exact achievements is the author talking about etc etc.

Its the Africans like YOU, who keep on making RACIST comments towards ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL Afro-American people. They want to say MOST Afro-American people live in the ghetto, are lazy etc, yet AA people are not allowed to speak of Africa in that way. Why not? If African people weren't even MORE lazy than why hasn't 1 single Black African country turned into Superpower?

But because this board is RUN BY LONEYTUNE/Crazy Africans, this kind of stuff is allowed.

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Posted: Thursday June 7th, 2007 23:18

nice to see b**chin over africans and black americans. why there such b**ching i wonder.

It is clear that African immigrants, just like asian immigrants have a strong family unit, and heritage ties, as well as a very conservative emphasis on education (doctor, engineer, scientist, social science FIRST..forget about trying to be an artist or studying mass comm etc).

yet isnt it also true that most immigrants who come from outside the US system have alot less room for maneouvre when it comes to career choices, and therefore seem to strive harder? most already have their goals set in stone. Ive got family in atlanta and lived there briefly..and it sickens me when africans (well in this case nigerians) use this "all black americans are lazy" attitude. at the same time you have black americans so ignorant of africa, and anything good from africa..and also look down on africans.

so basically the two are foolishly ignorant or pretend to be ignorant of each other's achievements. for all the africans shouting black americans are lazy..why didnt they carry their black asses to the US in the 60's..and why are they even in the US in the first place..isnt it bcos their own african countries have been run to the ground with corruption?

yet at the same time for the black americans, the africans you're cussing come without the luxury of being a US citizen and are able to work their way up and survive..many students still being able to send money to their families in africa. The same boy/.girl made fun of with by having picky hair and a funny accent, or called a booboo..is the same person who will finish top of their class.

There is success all around on both sides..why cant you all just acknowledge that. debating bullsh*t.

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Posted: Friday June 8th, 2007 01:05

Maybe its time to put this thread to bed because both sides maybe spouting off more rhetoric than neccessay.

Glad some AA/African groups are reaching out over the divde because dispite what everyone says we need each other.

The Leon Sullivan Foundation is one such organization.

http://www.thesullivanfoundation.org/foundation/

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Posted: Friday June 8th, 2007 05:46

Happiness wrote: Gmahogany. wrote: I'm not suprised at all by this information. Have always known it to be true, because I grew up around many African immigrant families as well as Asian ones, in the DC area. Immigrants in general tend to outperform the general population of the host country. What should cause people's antenna to go up, is why the white media/governement spends so much time IGNORING the fact that African immigrants tend to outperform or perform on par with Asian immigrants and investing in/perpetrating the Asian model minority myth. I'll tell you why? Because it doesn't fit in with their African/Black folks inferiority mythology/lie/. They know that if it is proven that Black folks from outside of America(who don't have the psychological damage of living under THIS f**ked up system for 4 centuries) can perform as well or better than the so called model minority Asians, then that means Africans/African descended people are not inherently inferior(which has been the operating premise of white supremacy all along). The only thing that makes African Americans different from African immigrants is....our....experience....under THIS....racist/oppressive/discriminatory sytsem. Which would mean that MUCH of our: underperforming/pathologies/failures/generational poverty would have to laid at the door step of a SYSTEM that was set up and imposed to produce those very outcomes. White folks and SOME Negroes, would like to ignore that little fact, so they created and maintained the Asian model minority MYTH. The only Asian American who has CONSISTENTLY debunked that myth for YEARS, is Frank Wu, who currently teaches at Wayne STate in MIchigan, but was professor/dean at historically Black, Howard University for many years.

Secondly, comparing people who: packed their sh*t/risked life and limb/left everyone and everything they've ever known(by definition a small/concentrated/motivated/resolute/a-typical,group,even for their OWN country) to come to a new country and make a better life, to the native born GENERAL population of a country, is not only bad science(any middle school science student could peep that), it's also asinine and disingenous.

People who get up and move half way across the world, don't tend to do so with the intention of sitting around with their thumb up their ass. I'm sure that if we visited any of the countries that produce, admittedly:smart/motivated/achieving immigrants, we would find the requisite number of:idiots/ne'rdowells/f**k ups/lazy/shiftless people among the GENERAL population of said country. I'd also be willing to bet that most Americans that go abroad to live would tend to be of a generally higher economic/educational/motivational/achievement level than the AVERAGE member of the native population in the country they have moved to. Can't prove it, just a strong hunch....

@Gmahogany -- here is your first post. You began well but ended poorly....that's why I did not toot your horn.

I reread my post, and don't see on what basis it ended poorly. I acknowleged the truth of African immigrants performing on par or in a superior way to Asians, and said I peeped that many moons,ago. I ALSO went on to say that while comparing IMMIGRANT achievement in a given country to IMMIGRANT achievement in the same country is a sound statistical study that yields useful and meaningful information, comparing IMMIGRANT achievement to the GENERAL POPULATION of a nation,(ANY NATION,btw), is not a sound statistical exercise, AND it yields SKEWED and MISLEADING conclusions. Thats one of the first things they teach you in any intro Statistics course,(sample size,representative sample,comparable samples, all things that have a bearing on what results you will get and whether those results are meaninful or not, misleading or not, bullsh*t or not). I felt that way even when Asian AMerican achievements were the only ones being compared to the general population, and have said so in threads on this Board.

Again, I'd be willing to bet that if you did similar studies of educational/achievement levels of African Americans who move to countries abroad, or countries like South Africa and compared them to the WHOLE of the native populations, you would yield results that would show them to be "outperforming" or performing to a higher level than the native populations in those countries, and that's WITH the added feature of most countries not even REMOTELY practicing the MERITOCRACY model that is half way implemented in a America,meaning you may not be ALLOWED to rise but so far being an foreigner, as Digdug said, I would think that would be even more pronounced with AA's in foreign countries, (whites and Chinese might get the red carpet rolled out for them,lol), making achievements of AA's in foreign countries even MORE impressive.

Even with that, comparing that SMALL, highly specified sample, that would by definition MAINLY include:students on student visas, people whose reason/premise for COMING to the country is to further their education or their children's education/have access to schools in the host country,start businesses or those wanting to work on a work visa for a certain amount of time and then apply for citizenship,who can satifactorily prove that they have some purposeful reason for even being allowed to ENTER the country,and other variations on that theme, and then be SUPRISED that this highly SELECTED/ACCEPTED/APPROVED(group who were largely allowed into the country based on their expressed/proven desire to STUDY OR WORK) to the other 297 million people who make up the general population and ACTING suprised that the immigrant group is more education/work/goal oriented than the general population of the host country, is silly and disingenous. People who work in immigration will tell you that WHO gets accepted into the country is at least partially based on what immigration officials feel they will be BRINGING/CONTRIBUTING to the country. In other words, you're way more likely to gain entry if you have some needed skill/education/educational aspirations than if you say(or by your background/activities in your own country seem to display) you just want to come to America so can stand around with your thumb up your ass, or better yet, tell the immigration folks that you want to enter the U.S.(or any other country), so you can embark on a life of crime or slothfullness.

The truth of what I said is self evident to me , and in no way detracts from the first statement I made. I even came back after BS pointed out the vaguenuess of the term "African immigrant" and REITERATED the truth of overall performance level of Africans and immigrants in general. The only reason I can think that it would offend Continentals is if they really are MORE interested in feeling superior to AA's than they are in just being respected on their own achievement merits(in spite of their talk to the contrary). Their educational performance speaks for itself, it does not NEED to be compared to anyone else, to be impressive,but if it MUST be compared, or placed in some kind of competitive context, make the competiton FAIR, so we can really see what's what. Don't say, Ok, we're gonna have a contest to see who the best athletes are. For my team, I"m only gonna go to fitness places, gyms, basketball courts,football fields and soccer teams to recruit(only places where people are ALREADY showing an interest/predisposition/inclination for physical activity/athleticism), but YOU have to go to the grocery store,shopping mall, and busy intersections, KFC and the post office, put on a blind fold and randomly pick every third person, for your team. Let's see who wins,lol.

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Posted: Friday June 8th, 2007 06:24

I get the feeling Africans in America have us on thier mind more than I anticipated.

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Posted: Friday June 8th, 2007 07:40

Girlfrom the NC....simply cut and paste my words here that you are referring to....its that simple really.

Rockette....still no mention of any of these issues in African immigrant communtities in the US huh....lol?

Why people would be so bothered, just because of an article which seemed to have a positive reflection on African immigrants.......I guess people prefer the reports on aids, poverty and starvation.

Anyhoo....big ups to all my Africans making strides.

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Posted: Friday June 8th, 2007 13:21

"Now is the time for us to come together with one another, to organize, to speak out and speak up on behalf of each other. There is no time to waste, while we debate, define, and discuss; the enemy continues his genocidal plan. We need to bear in mind the Ashanti proverb: 'Two men in a burning house must not stop to argue."

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Posted: Friday June 8th, 2007 13:51

impactplayer wrote:
BWAHAHAHAHAHA

Sure African immigrants are smart, focused, and motivated but lets get real here, they arguably have the most pointless existance of anyone. They ususally turn republican and live the rest of thier lives bitter at AA's because whites wont accept them and thier too proud to connect with the AA community. Alot of them get Ivy league degrees and end up in moderatly good paying middle management jobs for the rest of thier lives. A high percentage joins the military too. Africans in the motherland are poor but at least they stay to contribute to the growth of Africa. AA's are trying to build Black America..African immigrants just..well....exist.

Luckly these types are in the minority, alot african immigrants integrate in the community and go far (and by integrate I dont mean cutting off your cultral heritage but rather not shove it in an AA's face) most dont take to kindly to it. I have said many times on here my best friend is African. I think the U.S. is a great place for black people especially at this point in time but if anyone (particularily black people) decides to live in the U.S. with a pompous attitude it will be a lonely and pointless place to live.
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@Imapactplayer. What you said is not true. First, If I have to estimate, I would say that 95% of African immigrants in the US are Democrats and the other 5% are Republicans. Even the ones that are Republicans are so when it comes to Social and Family issues. Most African Immigrants would consider themselves Democrats because nearly all care about the issue of Immigration. To many the Democrats are pro-Immigration and the Republicans are Anti-Immigration. Most Immigrants want to eventually bring over their uncles, aunts, cousins and other relatives over to America, so they would most likely vote Democratic.

Second, it is also wrong to suggest that Africans in America live a bitter life, that is wrong and not true. Most Africans live within their own communities and only come out for Work and School, other than that they stick around each other. Here in my Town for instance, we have a Sudanese soccer (football) Team, a Ghanaian team as we as soccer (football) teams from Nigeria, Cameroon, DRC Congo, Uganda, Kenya, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Togo etc, etc. These folks play games against each other every Fridays and Saturdays. They hang around each other and we attend each others community events. You go to a Kenyan event and you find Africans from all over and some African Americans as well as Caribbean Africans. Sometimes one feels like home back in Africa to be surrounded by Africans from the Continent almost everyday. I am reminded that I am in America only when I go to work or other places.

Third, about Africans have a pointless existence. I am going to leave this one alone and I would assume it is a typing mistake. But many Africans who go to school here return back home to contribute. Not everyone stays here after graduation. I know plenty of Africans who have gone back to work in their Countries. Some leave their families here and and come here only for vacations. The Majority who stay here a bit longer are working to save money and then eventually start their own businesses back in Africa when they return so they would be self Employed.

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Posted: Friday June 8th, 2007 16:16

impactplayer wrote: I get the feeling Africans in America have us on thier mind more than I anticipated.

much gained knowledge in this thread

You might want to check this out too. It's written by an Igbo diala. I didn't include the entire article which you'll find quite interesting.

http://www.chatafrikarticles.com/articles/259/1/AFRICAN-LEADERS-ARE-LEADING-AFRICANS-TO-EXTINCTION/Page1.html

AFRICAN LEADERS ARE LEADING AFRICANS TO EXTINCTION

by Ozodi Thomas Osuji

Christianity, among other things, socialized Europeans to have compassion for the weak and to come to the rescue of those in need. Generally speaking, European Christians tend to devote their lives to helping the poor. Africans look at social serving white persons as fools. To them, apparently, the “rational�? thing to do is to live only for ones self (and, perhaps, for ones expanded ego self, ones children) but never for other people.

As a matter of fact, many Africans take advantage of Christian white persons’ tendency to care for their fellow human beings. Helpful persons (who, by the way, are mentally healthy persons; unhealthy persons tend to not help other people) tend to be trusting persons. (Unhealthy persons, say paranoids, tend to be untrusting, suspicious persons.)

Generally, Africans tend not to trust other people and consider one foolish if one trusts other persons. In light of their lack of trust in people, they see trusting white Christians as idiots and deliberately set out to exploit them.

Yesterday, December 1, 2006 we read of how a bunch of Nigerians at Houston, Texas set out to exploit those they called “Mugus�? (trusting persons), screw the Medicaid and Medicare system to the tune of eight million dollars. Nigerians 419, credit card and social security number rackets…each predicated on exploiting trusting persons… are well known. (The ability to trust other people is indicative of mental healthy; the inability to trust other people is indicative of mental disorder, paranoia; it is sad that Africans see a sign of mental health, trusting, as weakness to be exploited. It is more than sad that they take a symptom of mental disorder, lack of trust in other people, as strength. Jesus Christ said: unless you are like a child that you would not enter the kingdom of heaven; this means that unless you trust like a child and love all persons you are not healthy hence peaceful and happy. It is pathetic that a people take illness and its attendant disturbance of peace and happiness as something to revel in.) Africans cruelty to one another and their tendency to criminal activities without corresponding self sacrificing behavior on behalf of other persons sometimes make you wonder whether they are human beings, at all.

Could it be that these people are not human beings, as we understand that term to be? Could they be a different breed of animals that look like human beings? A human being is at his best when he loves himself and all people and sacrifices his ego life for his fellow human beings. Jesus Christ is an example of such love.

I am yet to see an African who lives a life devoted to serving the needs of other human beings. What I see are those taking advantage of other human beings and, worse, do not seem to feel guilty and remorseful for their obvious antisocial behaviors. I see folks who cheat and become wealthy and present their narcissistic egos to other people to admire as ogas, big men. (And their people, who seem not to care how wealth was acquired, make them chiefs.) I see a morally contemptible and despicable people!

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Posted: Friday June 8th, 2007 17:02

Rockette wrote: impactplayer wrote: I get the feeling Africans in America have us on thier mind more than I anticipated.

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Christianity, among other things, socialized Europeans to have compassion for the weak and to come to the rescue of those in need. Generally speaking, European Christians tend to devote their lives to helping the poor.
Well he's wrong from the start. What a load of crap. If your going o trawl the internet for quotes to denigrade Africans then at least base it on reality.

What is the point of this anyway. How does it relate to the topic at hand. I could fill up the page with Black America's problems. And what would it prove.

You people are f**king pathetic.

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Posted: Friday June 8th, 2007 17:05

LMAO

That sh*t must be gospel, lol.

It's all about the Benjamins baby clp)

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Posted: Friday June 8th, 2007 17:14

@BT

You know BN got resident crackheads, lol. Pay that no mind, just someone with a vendetta against Naija peeps ONLY. Must have got boyed hard by a couple naija man.

She thinks Naija peeps are trying to ERASE black Americans LMAO. Don't think she read that bit about paranoia and trusting...

It's quite amusing the energy and effort some people can put into things negative. So much research and reading, wow. LOL

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Posted: Friday June 8th, 2007 18:07

If nothing else, this thread has proved how devisive and smug many of us still are. It absolutely pititful; and we wonder why I plight is such as it is worldwide. The crabs-in- a-bucket analogy applies well.

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Posted: Friday June 8th, 2007 20:12

I guess because the plight of Africans/blacks as a whole worldwide is a negative one, and seemingly has been for centuries you may say, it seems now our only response to anything is negative and we immediately jump on the defensive by being offensive. Especially with each other which is only ever going to hinder any progressive movements.