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Posted: Monday June 4th, 2007 11:26 |
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@ chi - LOL!
African immigrants know our achievements in this country - there is no doubt that we outperform native Americans. (black or white). And yes, it is a well kept secret by both black Americans and white Americans.
Truth is that Africans would rather see their children as doctors and engineers than as NBA players or Hip Hop artists - even if it they do make millions. And so for that reason we push education; it is not an option, it is a requirement.
....and by the way when my daughter applies to college, hell yeah she is going to check African-American and hell yeah she is going to get all the minority scholarships available. So whoever felt resentment at that, I say go suck on an egg. How stupid can you be!
Ivies are begging minorities to come to their schools and giving them a free ride - if native Americans dont want to take advantage of it because they are busy crying about the legacy of slavery, then we certainly will! This is why African immigrants will always outperform native Americans because they do not take advantage of the opportunities of this country.
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Posted: Monday June 4th, 2007 12:24 |
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@ Happiness Lol.....Tell them my sister.....I have a friend who is an architect in the US he is Nigerian, but was born in the states grew up in Nigeria, you better believe he applied for all the scholarships and grants he could that were for "African Americans"......lol.
I dont think they have a box for Africans other than African Americans do they?
Education is definately a must, money is not really enough in our community (well traditionally). I really dont think African Americans are actually suffering due to other Black immigrants, its just that its very visual that we are just go getters.
Oh well.........thats why we come abroad. 
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Posted: Monday June 4th, 2007 12:55 |
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Gmahogany. wrote: Now, An observant and inquisitive person might ponder why it is that if AFrican immigrants are so:smart/hardworking/persistent, that they don't stay in their countries of origins(surely African nations could use such copious amounts of intellect/persistence/hardwork) and use those great qualities to straighten out the MYRIAD problems in those places, make those places good and decent/prosperous places to live, but INSTEAD, choose to come to a place where sh*t has already been made comparatively EASY, by the people who were already here, OUR hardwork/persistence, yet wanna brag about how clever,persistent hardworking THEY(the johnny come lately immigrants who conveniently stepped into ready made prosperity and negotiated access to that prosperity thanks to the non intelligent/non hardworking/non persistent, native Black folks), are. Opportunistic would be the more accurate description, wouldn't you say? You and others like you keep talking about how great and easy things are here in America...NEWSFLASH it wasn't always that way. WE had a lot to do with MAKING it that way. It was quite abominable and unbearable at many times during our history here, so much so that at one time, Marcus Garvey was able to have a sizeable number of African AMericans consider his 'Back To Africa" movement as a viable option. THAT'S HOW f**kED UP THINGS WERE FOR US HERE!!!Capiche? Ultimately, the overwhelming majority of us decided against that,(for myriad reasons),though right after slavery SOME of us DID leave here, and relocate to places like LIberia(because we saw no lives for ourselves here and it was clear that the goverment/white citizenry never INTENDED for us to live here outside of a bondage condition-they had ways of making that very clear,btw), but the overwhelming majority of us Decided to STAY here and use our considerable: intellect/penchant for hardwork/persistence to change THIS country and make it better, not run to some other country where sh*t was already on the upswing and a gold mine, due to some OTHER people's efforts/sacricices and talk sh*t to THOSE PEOPLE,about how brilliant ,persistent,and industrious we are,lol.
I am neither African-American nor an African immigrant so have no dog in this fight (so to speak) but I have to co-sign the above, especially the parts in red. Dig-Dug responded to this post but didn't explain why it is that African immigrants don't stay and change their African nations for the better in the same way that descendants of slaves stayed and changed America for the better.
DigDug's position seems to be that African immigrants should integrate into American society and forget about the place they came from, which imo isn't really going to help Africa to progress and become a great continent again. Maybe for him that isn't important and Africa can stay as it is for all he cares, as long as he can pack up and go elsewhere and be successful. Is this the general view of African immigrants? If so, then it is no surprise that so many African nations are in such a mess.
It's all good and well being proud of managing to be successful in America; because of what went before (civil rights movements) success in America is now a possibility for African immigrants where it wouldn't always have been - but how about making a success of yourself in Africa? Wouldn't that be the goal of any proud African? Imo that would be a real achievement. Brain drain is a serious problem for developing nations and if the citizens won't address it then I don't see how these nations will ever become 'developed'. Maybe I have it wrong and African immigrants do really love and have pride in Africa, and care deeply about the state of Africa... but then why aren't they more willing to stay and fix it's problems, rather than leave and integrate elsewhere? I'm sure most send money back to support family members who aren't doing so well, but have no real wish to return or make it a place that people won't want to leave in the first place. Can anyone explain why Africa's brightest and best people have this mentality?
Also from what I've read here it doesn't seem as if African Americans do have a problem with African immigrants achieving. The African American posters in this thread don't appear to be upset about that at all, judging by what they have posted here. What seems to be the problem and the cause of upset is the lack of respect shown towards their ancestors and their struggle to make America the place it is today. The attitudes expressed by some African immigrants about AA's really beggars belief and is the same as the attitudes that the worst white racists display. It's not even funny. When will we ever learn?? I truly despair.
The attitude of some Africans towards African-Americans (on this thread alone) is incredibly offensive and insulting and if that is how Africans view the descendents of slaves, then it is no wonder Pan-Africanism remains an impossible dream, and no wonder black people (on the whole) remain at the bottom of the pile in their respective nations around the world.
Or is that okay as long as one and two of us get to run away to Western nations and 'make it big' while millions of our brothers and sisters suffer and die in poverty at home?? Have we no shame??
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Posted: Monday June 4th, 2007 13:06 |
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You sure do write alot for never making a point. Sorry but I dont believe in post tramatic slave disorder. You speak as if you or your mother was a slave which we all know isnt true. I feel sorry for your children if they are taught the rhetoric you speak. They will be taught that they are inheriently inferior and grow up with the victim hood mentality. The cycle will just repeat itself. Try a different strategy,dude. You won't make a living trying to play me like my posts aren't among the most intelligent and insightful, on this Board. We don't believe you, you need more people,lol.
Listen you ninny, just because I recognize the reality of my distant and not so distant history in this country doesn't mean I'm subscribing to a victim mentality or not capable of acknowleging the truth of certain socio/economic/cultural realities that HAVE THEIR ROOTS IN SLAVERY AND JIM CROW, AND do what I need to do to succeed in this country. I am a college graduate(not that that's the be all and end all, which is why I don't chatter on about it incessantly like some folks do), and I go to work everyday. Why are you acting like it's impossible to walk and chew gum at the same time? Alas, maybe it is, for YOU. Why arent you talking about all the atrocities in Africa that are going on today that are just as bad. AA's arent the only ones with "atrocites" in thier past. Get out the bubble your in a learn about the past of others and compare.
I'm quite aware of the atrocities that go on in some parts of Africa, which is why I pondered why it is that so many brilliant/hardworking/persistent immigrants would rather assist in a further brain drain, than use all of their wonderful qualities to make their native countries better.
Again a whole lot of talk but not much substance. You can get all emotional if you want but you never answered why alot of the atrocities I stated are going on in Africa NOW and Africans are still succeeding in America. At the same time slavery has been abolished for some time in America and a higher than avg % of Native African Americans are falling behind. That essentially crushes your theory of post tramatic slavery disorder.
I'm not emotional in the slightest. I've actually become numb to the attitudes and you and some of your cohorts, have come to expect it;even. It has given me great insight into why African people world wide are in the condition they are in,( it must have been like taking candy from a baby,for Mr. Charlie), and made it crystal clear, why white folks have been able to make mincemeat of us, for time immemorial;and will continue to do so....
Africans are succeeding in AMerica now, just like some AFrican AMerican's were able to succeed, fresh out of a bondage condition,just like MOST African Americans are succeeding NOW, what's your point? Secondly, at least 2 posts ago, I told you that it was the, post slavery, Jim Crow/segregation/economic warfare(loss of manafacturing/blue collar jobs that were are large staple of Black male employment for many years) experience that have had more of an effect on CURRENT conditions in the African AMerican community. I only zeroed in on slavery after you made the stupid ass, dismissive comment you made about that institution and it's effects and how it was virtual PARADISE.
African immigrants..opportunistic? Wow...Wont get into that but isnt that what theyre suppose to do, take advantage of opportunities in "Amerikkka"..Maybe others could learn from seizing opportunites. Why certainly that's what they are supposed to do. A few posts ago, I said I wasn't mad at that, and encouraged them to do just that. My point was there is a difference between seizing an opportunity(being in the right place at the right time and being ready),to seize an opportunity that was made available to you because of SOMEONE ELSE'S intelligence/hardwork/persistence, but having the nerve to talk sh*t to those some one elses, about how much more intelligent/hardworking/persistent than them, YOU are. I dont feel Africans immigrants are any smarter than AA's or vise versa. I hate to even argue this issue around this article because the science of it is so screwed up but there are socio-cultural differences that I think favors immigrants of all races. But its no different if an African American moved to South Africa, theyd likely have a socio-cultural advantage depending on how freely it is to rise in that society.
This is the first sensible/logical thing you've said in this whole interaction. Maybe there is hope, afterall. Think about how obnoxious it would be for that African AMerican to go there, look at the state of many Black South Africans(that will probably take YEARS to improve in spite of apartheid having been "abolished", and start talking sh*t about "I don't know why y'all are so downtrodden and poor, I was able to come here and make a financial killing, what's all this talk about racism, white South Africans treat me just fine, stop exaggerating, it's in the past, get over it,you think YOU had it hard, let me tell you about AMerican slavery/Jim Crow, there is nothing stopping you from succeeding NOW, look at the success rate/higher standard of living of African American immigrants/business people,(and immigrants in general in SA),we 're outperforming you in your OWN country, what's wrong with ya'll?.."lol. Btw, I've known AA's who did travel to SA, back in the day, and they said that once the white South African officials they were interacting with, found out they were "American", they started treating them much better, than they initially treated them, when they thought they were NATIVE BLACK SOUTH AFRICANS....HMMMMMMMMMM. As I said earlier, wealth/poverty/discrimination/oppression have GENERATIONAL components, that linger LONG after a certain system or institution/laws are no longer in place on paper. If the socio/economic/cultural INEQUITES that exist in SA(that are the result of what, less than 100 years of apartheid?), are not addressed and REMEDIED(by helping the victims of that system,not by giving the money/assistance/programs they should be benefiting from, to American/Chinese/Caublasian-immigrants), the fundamental conditions/lives of the majority of the Black folks there, will NOT change, in any major way;I don't care if you visit there 100 years from NOW, you will be seeing much of the same sh*t(at the same time, Americans and other immigrants will be coming to that VERY country and having a VASTLY different experience). THAT'S the point I was trying to make about America, and the difficulty of eradicating certain entrenched phenomenon, that have been YEARS in the making. Only a fool, or a simple minded moron would not appreciate the complexities, inherent in such a situation .
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Posted: Monday June 4th, 2007 14:20 |
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comfortandjoy wrote:
Also from what I've read here it doesn't seem as if African Americans do have a problem with African immigrants achieving. The African American posters in this thread don't appear to be upset about that at all, judging by what they have posted here. What seems to be the problem and the cause of upset is the lack of respect shown towards their ancestors and their struggle to make America the place it is today. The attitudes expressed by some African immigrants about AA's really beggars belief and is the same as the attitudes that the worst white racists display. It's not even funny. When will we ever learn?? I truly despair.
Thanks for your observations. I kept trying to see where anyone on the AA side of things was saying they were unhappy about African/Carribean achivement. I know that I went out of my way to say that I didn't feel that way, at all,(because I don't). My first sentence was that I already knew that African immigrants were as smart or smarter than their Asian counterparts, from my own personal experience, I peeped that as a child. Even as a child, I had enough sense to know that that was a GOOD thing, and reflected positively on all African Descended people. I don't think see where anyone was saying that. It's a testament to how the excess pride/pomposity(that has largely been what caused AFrican's asses to be in the perpetual sling that they remain in to this day) thing that I was mentioning earlier and reading with that filter, rather than reading what is actually being said.
The attitude of some Africans towards African-Americans (on this thread alone) is incredibly offensive and insulting and if that is how Africans view the descendents of slaves, then it is no wonder Pan-Africanism remains an impossible dream, and no wonder black people (on the whole) remain at the bottom of the pile in their respective nations around the world.
Yep. For years, that has been the stereotype that many AA's would pass on to each other,regarding Continental Africans(arrogant/pompous/tribalistic/superiority complex), and some Carribean Blacks to a lesser extent. I was always the type to challenge that whenever I would hear fellow AA's saying it, get into arguments with folks, the whole nine. I'm not going to say that I don't STILL try to squash that kind of talk when I hear it, but I will say that I do it with much less resolve and enthusiasm now, because now I know that there is much truth in it,unfortunately.
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Posted: Monday June 4th, 2007 15:53 |
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What achievements are we typing about?
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Posted: Tuesday June 5th, 2007 03:55 |
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First of all let's set the record straight on who is who. An African-American is a person born in Africa that immigrates to America and becomes an American, an African-American, per the procedural processses of the U.S. Immigration dept. Secondly, the term African-American as applied to Afrimericans is a misnomer, and it's more a tool of propoganda to suggest Africans in Africa have similar lifestyles and freedoms as Afrimericans, which is not true on a majority level; Additionally, it is a tool of pyschosocial propaganda for those Afrimericans so brainwashed with the idea they are African, they claim it despite the reality they don't speak any African language, don't know the tribe name of the tribe they may have descended from, they don't have the first clue of the inner workings of the social, government, or corporate politics of the various African Nations, etc, etc....
The other consideration not looked at is, people from Libya, Tehran, Palestine, Iran, Iraq, Saudia Arabia call themselves African-American when they immigrate to America.
Thus what takes place is the funds and service primarily designed and theoretically available to Afrimericans gets diverted to these foreign born persons claiming African-American, and this decption is used in various ways to degrade, and demean Afrimericans, when the reality is Afrimericans are limited in access unless they are associated, or related to a high ranking political or media figure.
Additionally, Afrimericans, many Afrimericans know the fallacies of much that is taught, the lies, and restructuring, and rewriting of Afrimerican history, and they are shunned for bringing the truth to the fore.
Thus the lies take on a shroud of truth because they are acted on as truth, and results in a real result.
Just look at all of you who use African-American to describe Afrimericans. Whites know that is a misapplication, and belive me, the U.S. government knows it's a misapplication which is why the U.S. government has declared the official U.S. definition of African-American classified and unavailable to the public.
I understand most of those who write here are non American, and many are between the ages of 20 to maybe 50, and victim of many miseducations that has served to divide and conquer, and sow the seeds of negative allusions based on decptive practices that involve a slew of players.
Before speaking, isn't it prudent to know the full story
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Posted: Tuesday June 5th, 2007 04:21 |
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Ivy League schools are not begging Afrimericans to attend their schools, and they are not offering a free ride. What the Ivy league schools will do is enroll Africans they can use to denigrate Afrimericans by feeding them a long list of misconceptions that Afrimericans have the same opening the African has been given and it's not true.
Additionally, the Ivy League, and many high ranked American Universities will enroll Africans, or any Afrimerican that they can get to spout their racist ideology, thus they become hidden puppt masters, and can claim innocence when the finger pointing starts, creating a debate among"Black" people that is nothing more than an echoe of and impementation of racist divisiveness.
Also, to make such a blanket statement to suggest all Afrimericans want to be NBA stars is slander. It is one of many professions sought. My neice wants to be an architect, and she is presently working as a carpenter. But let's look at the matter a different way, and consider most Afrimericans want to be in a profession where they don't have to bow down too whites, and be less than they are to keep their job.
On the flip side, how many Ivy League Univesities are in Africa? How many African Ivy League Graduates went back to their native land of birth and built any thing of national, or world value?
Lastly, most of the quotes in the post this is in response to came from people like "Oprah', and other white people in Black skin. their word is not gold, or gospel, in fact it should be looked at questionably, because as said before, the only Afrimericans who can excell in America with individual autonomy are those who are in sports, or media, or who become willing pawns in being the face of White Americas racism.
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Posted: Tuesday June 5th, 2007 04:28 |
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Happiness wrote: @ chi - LOL!
African immigrants know our achievements in this country - there is no doubt that we outperform native Americans. (black or white). And yes, it is a well kept secret by both black Americans and white Americans.
Truth is that Africans would rather see their children as doctors and engineers than as NBA players or Hip Hop artists - even if it they do make millions. And so for that reason we push education; it is not an option, it is a requirement.
....and by the way when my daughter applies to college, hell yeah she is going to check African-American and hell yeah she is going to get all the minority scholarships available. So whoever felt resentment at that, I say go suck on an egg. How stupid can you be!
Ivies are begging minorities to come to their schools and giving them a free ride - if native Americans dont want to take advantage of it because they are busy crying about the legacy of slavery, then we certainly will! This is why African immigrants will always outperform native Americans because they do not take advantage of the opportunities of this country.
Would never have thought it but the Euro trash are still suceeding at the divide and conquer. You people are appalling in your intrenecine bigotry and prejudice.
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Posted: Tuesday June 5th, 2007 07:27 |
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Wow.
I'm kinda disappointed at BOTH sides here. You're both falling into the trap.
From what I'm reading AF-Ams aren't unhappy that African immigrants are doing well, but they are kinda annoyed at the condesending views that some Africans hold against there AF-Am brothers i.e. the whole NBA / Hip-hop thing.
Happiness - I'm sure AF-AM parents don't encourage their children to grow up to be rappers and ball players; that virtue isn't something that only Africans do, so I think your comment was unhelpful.
The facts are that immigrants are more motivated than natives - period. That's why they took the huge effort/risk to leave home in the first place. You're not gonna travel halfway round the world, then decide that daytime t.v is your thing. LOL.
Both sides of the argument - check yourselves.
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Posted: Tuesday June 5th, 2007 07:34 |
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Well......as someone who has personally come across many AA's who are very open about their dislike for Africans who come to America and are seen to take "their" opportunities away....I feel there are many who have a problem with it, its not something which has been plucked from the sky.
Many dont, but many do, trust me, I've met them.
If African immigrants are coming to America and are outperforming others, its a good thing for all Black people to see.
We owe no apologies either, we are immigrants along with the rest of America minus native Americans, but yet we are expected to give account.
If opportunities are being offered, why wouldn't anyone grab them?
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Posted: Tuesday June 5th, 2007 07:41 |
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Chi, my dear....
I'm sure there are many dumb people in the world, who blame their problems on immigrants, but that's no reason to start a war on BN.
At the end of the day, in America, whether you came yesterday or hundred's of years ago - you're still a n****r. We should all remember that.
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Posted: Tuesday June 5th, 2007 07:50 |
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stick-upKid wrote: Chi, my dear....
I'm sure there are many dumb people in the world, who blame their problems on immigrants, but that's no reason to start a war on BN.
Who is starting a war?, come on now, we are all adults and its not that serious......no need to overstretch it luvvy.....lol
You call it dumb, but thats genuinely how some people feel, and maybe we should address it.
At the end of the day, in America, whether you came yesterday or hundred's of years ago - you're still a n****r. We should all remember that.
I'm not a N****r thankyou.......if you are thats good for you.
The point is, America is the land immigrants.....thats what it is built upon, people come there and make their success or at least aim for it.........whether those people come from China, India, Lebonon or Africa is actually irrelevant, or at least should be.
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Posted: Tuesday June 5th, 2007 08:06 |
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chi wrote:
The point is, America is the land immigrants.....thats what it is built upon
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Yeah, but some immigrants were more willing than others....and some immigrants didn't get paid for what they 'built'.
All i'm saying is that it is not very diffiicult to appreciate the trauma that Af-ams have been through. I agree with G that it was the struggles of Af-ams that have paved the way for African immigrants to benefit.
Its shouldn't be too difficult to recognise that, should it?
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Posted: Tuesday June 5th, 2007 08:31 |
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stick-upKid wrote: chi wrote:
The point is, America is the land immigrants.....thats what it is built upon
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Yeah, but some immigrants were more willing than others....and some immigrants didn't get paid for what they 'built'.
Ok fine, but the African immigrant are not the ones to pay up.If you ask me, the front of the queue should be the NATIVE AMERICANS, because the way I see it, they have been marginalised from mainstream society more than any other group in the US.
All i'm saying is that it is not very diffiicult to appreciate the trauma that Af-ams have been through. I agree with G that it was the struggles of Af-ams that have paved the way for African immigrants to benefit.
Yes......as well as ALL immigrants.....noone is denying that, but does that mean that out of appreciation for that we should refrain from accepting scholarships and grants?
Its shouldn't be too difficult to recognise that, should it?
I recognise that, but you know what, in any modern day society someone somewhere has sacrificed and worked to produce the freedoms we ALL enjoy.....in fact, many of us today enjoy some of the things in life straight of the back of the hardship of others.....there is no person who can claim they dont, some of those people are actually modern day slaves too........if we really want the truth.
I agree we should appreciate the struggle of those before us, but since when has Africa as a continent been disconnected from the evils of slavery?
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Posted: Tuesday June 5th, 2007 09:03 |
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Chi, a lot of the world's problems wouldn't happen if only people showed just a little courtesy, a little respect.
I'm sure Af-ams wouldn't hate immigrant Africans so much if only we showed a little understanding for their struggle.
Look, i've never been to America, but if/when I go, I'll be respectful towards Af-ams that I meet, simply because I believe they deserve it, in my view.
At the end of the day, the achievements of AAs is something all Africans, no matter where you're born, should be proud of. The African-American experience has become a big part of the 'black' experience.
Respect goes both ways: show it and you'll get it.
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Posted: Tuesday June 5th, 2007 09:05 |
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Respect goes both ways: show it and you'll get it.
Yep....and it goes both ways. With all due respect, its a bit difficult to appreciate what some people are talking about if you haven't even been to America.
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Posted: Tuesday June 5th, 2007 09:19 |
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chi wrote:
With all due respect, its a bit difficult to appreciate what some people are talking about if you haven't even been to America.
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You see this is where you're wrong. The principles of the argument are exactly the same whether it applies to Brits moaning about Polish immigrants or South Africans moaning about Zimbabwean refugees etc. etc.
All over the world, all through the ages, people have been afraid of newcomers stealing their jobs/land/women/opportunities___blah blah blah.
If you can understand the reasons why it happens in one country, you understand the reasons why it happens anywhere.
Trust me on this one.
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Posted: Tuesday June 5th, 2007 09:27 |
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chi wrote: Well......as someone who has personally come across many AA's who are very open about their dislike for Africans who come to America and are seen to take "their" opportunities away....I feel there are many who have a problem with it, its not something which has been plucked from the sky.
Many dont, but many do, trust me, I've met them.
If African immigrants are coming to America and are outperforming others, its a good thing for all Black people to see.
We owe no apologies either, we are immigrants along with the rest of America minus native Americans, but yet we are expected to give account.
If opportunities are being offered, why wouldn't anyone grab them?
Outperforming who? I keep reading about this, but who are immigrants outperforming? Have any immigrants invented anything of use that i've over looked? I don't mean to come off as nasty, but lets be real. I'm happy to see anybody BLACK doing their thing, but slandering the richest most successful black people on earth aint flying with me. 
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Posted: Tuesday June 5th, 2007 09:34 |
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King Capo...according to the thread, African immigrants are outperforming Asians and Whites in the arena of education....that something that every Black person should take pride in is it not? Thats my point.
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Posted: Tuesday June 5th, 2007 09:40 |
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stick-upKid wrote: chi wrote:
With all due respect, its a bit difficult to appreciate what some people are talking about if you haven't even been to America.
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You see this is where you're wrong. The principles of the argument are exactly the same whether it applies to Brits moaning about Polish immigrants or South Africans moaning about Zimbabwean refugees etc. etc.
All over the world, all through the ages, people have been afraid of newcomers stealing their jobs/land/women/opportunities___blah blah blah.
If you can understand the reasons why it happens in one country, you understand the reasons why it happens anywhere.
Trust me on this one.
No actually, you are wrong, I'm not talking about how people react towards new immigrants per se, I'm talking about the specific resentment some African Americans feel towards Africans and Carribeans specifically, when they come to America. You were actually kind of down playing something which is very real and something you could not possibly appreciate, because you have not had any encounter of it, since you havent been to America.
That was my point.......unless I mistook what you were saying.
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Posted: Tuesday June 5th, 2007 09:51 |
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chi wrote: King Capo...according to the thread, African immigrants are outperforming Asians and Whites in the arena of education....that something that every Black person should take pride in is it not? Thats my point.
Most def African immigrants should be proud, but slandering Black americans is not a good look.
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Posted: Tuesday June 5th, 2007 10:26 |
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King Capo wrote: chi wrote: King Capo...according to the thread, African immigrants are outperforming Asians and Whites in the arena of education....that something that every Black person should take pride in is it not? Thats my point.
Most def African immigrants should be proud, but slandering Black americans is not a good look.
Its something ALL black people should be proud of not just immigrants.....people act like African Americans are the only Blacks who should be celebrated or congratulated on their achievements, and every other Black should be the ones to do it........what about when other Blacks are doing well......????
If African immigrants are doing well...its good....full stop.
Btw....when did I slander Black Americans?
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Posted: Tuesday June 5th, 2007 14:13 |
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The main difference is FOCUS, African American are not focused and usually confused, they are stuck in a society that constantly devalues their achievements and are on the defense 24/7. But the African Immigrant isn't interested in White peoples perception of them, because our goal is to use the West for our gain and our people gain at home.
African American have no home, they are still guests in their own country and white America will continue to treat them that way, unless AA's as a collective start doing something about it and act like a cohesive unity, they get outraged only when their are big media incidents and everything else is forgotten.
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Posted: Tuesday June 5th, 2007 15:38 |
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Its just a numbers thing and most of you all fell into the trap. Don't get me wrong first and second generation Africans coming here are taking advantage of this country........ Yet like AAs after this generation, the strive to achieve usually dies because the 3rd generation rests of the laurels of the first two.
Our smartest and most educated AA numbers are easily going to be watered down by people who are uneducated on the sheer facts of numbers alone and the fact that many southern older agricultural workers are still alive today whom never attended school past elementary. I am not even going into the street hoodlums who view education and books as diseases/plagues......
If their was a reverse study of African Americans in African countries today I am sure the numbers would reflect the same. Not because they the smartest beings in the African country, but because their would not be a lot of uneducated AAs there to lower the percentages.
Everyone look at the percentages and realize that you can celebrate one number without putting someone else down......
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Posted: Tuesday June 5th, 2007 16:02 |
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The original article was not to say that African immigrants are doing better than Black Americans, but of ALL immigrants Africans are performing at the highest level in education when compared with their American counterparts including Whites and Asians.
I really dont see the why it has to be downplayed.
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Posted: Tuesday June 5th, 2007 16:37 |
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I think people are forgetting some crucial points here. First of all the Article was written by Clarence page an African American Journalist and a reputable one at that. His picture is below on this post. His main point is that African Immigrants are outperforming all Americans, be they White, Black, Asian, Latino or otherwise. I could see an outcry if the story is used to compare Africans and African-Americans, but it was not the case.
I will repeat myself again. This story proves that Black People (Africans, African-Americans, Caribbean Africans, British Africans) are very smart, probably smarter than all people of all races and waht w lacked is a fair chance to compete and excel.
We all know that there are certain factors that contribute to holding Black People (African Americans) in America back such as History, Socio-Economics and Socio-cultural factors that were imposed on them by the system.
But we should use this story to inspire us even more towards working very hard. All is not lost in America, where there is a will there shall be a way forward.
African Americans are certainly doing well for themselves and blazing New Trails in other avenues. The women are actually doing better and one can see them in almost every institution of higher learning from Students, Directors, Accountants, Secretaries, Receptionists etc,etc.
Clarence Page.
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