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Posted: Wednesday May 16th, 2007 07:03 |
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Posted: Wednesday May 16th, 2007 17:11 |
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No news on who this is yet. 52 yrs old.
Apparently thepolice are saying he was armed the whole time, which sounds weird to me because he was naked when they gunned him down.
When i heard that it reminded me of Eldridge Cleaver from the balck panthers, stripping off and coming out to the poilce to show them he was definatley not armed or concealing a weapon...
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Posted: Wednesday May 16th, 2007 18:59 |
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The £150,000 p.a. Chairman of Operation Trident ...
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Posted: Wednesday May 16th, 2007 20:22 |
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Naked man killed in shoot-out with police ...
... but ...
Man shot dead by police in London 'fired first'
Someone's Not Telling The Truth
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Posted: Wednesday May 16th, 2007 22:08 |
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Blair blames spate of murders on black culture
He said people had to drop their political correctness and recognise that the violence would not be stopped "by pretending it is not young black kids doing it".
The British are special, the world knows it, in our innermost thoughts, we know it. This is the greatest nation on Earth. It has been an honour to serve it."
It has been an honour to serve it."
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Posted: Thursday May 17th, 2007 22:45 |
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Interesting! heard the guy was there to by a gun. If this is true he deserved what he got!
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Posted: Friday May 18th, 2007 07:34 |
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Did anyone here know 52 year old 'Yardie Gangster', Terry Nicholas?
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Posted: Friday May 18th, 2007 10:48 |
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Twistedsista wrote: Interesting! heard the guy was there to by a gun. If this is true he deserved what he got!
 Since when does buying or owning a gun make you deserve being killed naked in the street by the police!?
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Posted: Friday May 18th, 2007 15:52 |
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... ah yes, I seem to remember that the people who shot Mr Nicholas also said something similar to a gullible public after this incident ...
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Posted: Friday May 18th, 2007 17:12 |
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independent complaints commission... what are those going to do? they cannot even see anyting wrong with a cop pumping 7 bullets into a single head. i mean, can you imagine such a scenario? gun, bullet, melon - one shot (blam! melon bursts), two shots (blam! what's left over disintegrates), but these officers shot into a head 7 times?
the case in question stinks of baiting... and pre-planned ellimination done in the backyard of the house where nobody can see much. whats up with the different stories of what really happened?
- BBC TV report: man shot twice in torso + one in head outside his house (no good reason for shooting given). neigbours say seen paramedics reanimating naked man in back yard. upstairs neighbour, older citizen, afraid to go out. police say gun recovered from property.
- Metro Thursday: 52 year old black man followed from restaurant. asked to stop by police but does not, so is shot.!?
- links by MGL: Naked man killed in shoot-out with police ...
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Man shot dead by police in London 'fired first' Here's what I think happened: police did not shoot man, someone in the neghbourhood did but they took the tab because identity of shooter cannot be made public. shooter is an informer who in most probability felt threatened by victim. victim was probably threatening to do something [falling into bait (habit among some nationalities)], but then he actually was surveilled and it was established he really wanted to purchase gun for purpose.
killing was pre-planned, in order to prevent victim from harming informer/bait. paramedics were in the neighbourhood, doing rounds around the scene, long before the hit. this means they hurried to the scene only to hasten death.
seen it done before in other countries, even here. the Edgeware shooting of a young black male comes to mind.
all this lying is just meant to keep from waking some of the sleeping, most of whom happen to be happy happy informers working on the inside who would raise a thick eyebrow and start having second thoughts if the details were revealed. this is plain policy now, and many more black males are going to get shot/eliminated. it is not always the police who do this, you know, so be vigilant, even when lying in your bed.
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Posted: Friday May 18th, 2007 18:57 |
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Alarmed by the sound of the shooting, resident Andrew Wood looked out to see a naked man on the ground being tended to by paramedics.
"It was about 10.30pm. I heard what I thought were fireworks outside the back door. I stood out and there were police all over the place," Mr Wood said. "There was a naked man on the ground with paramedics trying to revive him. That went on for about 30 minutes and then we were told to go back in.
"He was an overweight middle-aged man. It was obviously a shoot-out. The police were all over the place and paramedics were pumping his chest."
The street was quickly blocked off and Mr Wood thought he saw at least 30 officers. "The ambulance was already there and I did not even hear sirens - just gunshots," he said.
He heard gun shots looked out and saw a naked man being tended too by paramedics? Something tells me there's a huge part of the story missing.
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Posted: Friday May 18th, 2007 18:58 |
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Melissa wrote: Twistedsista wrote: Interesting! heard the guy was there to by a gun. If this is true he deserved what he got!
Since when does buying or owning a gun make you deserve being killed naked in the street by the police!?
A sensible person wouldn't be looking to buy a gun. The only reason someone would buy a gun was to cause substantial harm or death to someone.
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Posted: Friday May 18th, 2007 20:16 |
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52 year old naked Africans buying guns (?) ...
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Posted: Friday May 18th, 2007 20:57 |
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A sensible person wouldn't be looking to buy a gun. The only reason someone would buy a gun was to cause substantial harm or death to someone.
well and fine. if those following him knew this they would have arrested him while they still could (he didn't have a gun on him yet), stopped him somehow by raiding the house he wanted to buy the gun from (they knew there were guns there)... anything other than gun him down cold bloodedly.
of course the guy represents a problem if he goes about looking for guns but then how many people (even kids) have guns in this society, among them potential killers? i am curious to know how the police knew he was about to buy a gun and use it on someone?
then here we are again mired in confusion... was he a gun buyer or a saler? the whole ish stinks...
problem with some people is they do not fully comprehend the gravity of what transpired. this individual was not slapped by the police and sent off, he was not tripped accidentally by some unwary law enforcement officer, fell and broke his wrist... he was shot up, killed with guns before he could be brought up for charges and proved guilty of them. he was tried and sentenced to death by a few men in a dark corner.
does going out to buy a gun justify that? does selling guns justify that? you have to be out of your senses to point at what this implies as justification for death by shooting.
if whatever he did or was about to do deserved such a sentence then I do not know where I am right now. citizens of this country should be clamouring up to the police chief to demand answers, because this concerns them in a grand way. it's not just abouit some guy who got shot, but about who is taking such liberties and what happens thereafter. who's next?
a rule of law society is not there for the fun of it, and the law applies to everyone, not because it makes sense that way, but because we all should be equal under the law for the thing to work. keepers of the law are not supposed to be the first place where things go wrong thusly.
people are not fools, and they made laws for a reason. rule of law as we know it today is a product of man's desire to safeguard SELF and property, to protect you and me. you and I make laws not because it is fashinable, or civilized, but because we want to protect SELF from others. we want to hold the sanctity of our lives, and not have it intruded upon or taken away by some other person. with laws we are able to go out feeling safe, to send our children out to play. without them the rule of the jungle takes over.
furthermore, all should be considered innocent until proven otherwise, not shot up like that.
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Posted: Saturday May 19th, 2007 20:21 |
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Toloane wrote: A sensible person wouldn't be looking to buy a gun. The only reason someone would buy a gun was to cause substantial harm or death to someone.
well and fine. if those following him knew this they would have arrested him while they still could (he didn't have a gun on him yet), stopped him somehow by raiding the house he wanted to buy the gun from (they knew there were guns there)... anything other than gun him down cold bloodedly.
of course the guy represents a problem if he goes about looking for guns but then how many people (even kids) have guns in this society, among them potential killers? i am curious to know how the police knew he was about to buy a gun and use it on someone?
then here we are again mired in confusion... was he a gun buyer or a saler? the whole ish stinks...
problem with some people is they do not fully comprehend the gravity of what transpired. this individual was not slapped by the police and sent off, he was not tripped accidentally by some unwary law enforcement officer, fell and broke his wrist... he was shot up, killed with guns before he could be brought up for charges and proved guilty of them. he was tried and sentenced to death by a few men in a dark corner.
does going out to buy a gun justify that? does selling guns justify that? you have to be out of your senses to point at what this implies as justification for death by shooting.
if whatever he did or was about to do deserved such a sentence then I do not know where I am right now. citizens of this country should be clamouring up to the police chief to demand answers, because this concerns them in a grand way. it's not just abouit some guy who got shot, but about who is taking such liberties and what happens thereafter. who's next?
a rule of law society is not there for the fun of it, and the law applies to everyone, not because it makes sense that way, but because we all should be equal under the law for the thing to work. keepers of the law are not supposed to be the first place where things go wrong thusly.
people are not fools, and they made laws for a reason. rule of law as we know it today is a product of man's desire to safeguard SELF and property, to protect you and me. you and I make laws not because it is fashinable, or civilized, but because we want to protect SELF from others. we want to hold the sanctity of our lives, and not have it intruded upon or taken away by some other person. with laws we are able to go out feeling safe, to send our children out to play. without them the rule of the jungle takes over.
furthermore, all should be considered innocent until proven otherwise, not shot up like that.
The point that is being missed is that the guy was armed or looking to buy arms! A few weeks ago we were condemning kids runing around shooting and shooting other young people. Asking where are they getting guns, what fuels this sort of problem etc etc. Now this happens.
As a community who does not justify gun ownership as it leads to the premature death of our young people and black men, I find it hard to believe that no one has anything to say about him owning a gun. If he's going to buy a gun, obviously the same situation that has happened to him were he was killed before proving his innocence or whatever he would have done to someone else. The loss of another black life.
The issue of gun crime has recieved nationwide coverage now. Its obvious the police are taking a no nonsense zero tolerance approach as we haven't taken control of the problem ourself and have instead sat back and waited for other people to solve our communities problems.
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Posted: Sunday May 20th, 2007 05:54 |
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Twistedsista wrote Saturday May 19th, 2007 21:21:
"... The point that is being missed is that the guy was armed or looking to buy arms! ..."
Please could you tell us where you got this information as I am sure that many of us would like to have as much information on this incident as you appear to have.
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52 year old naked Africans buying guns (?) ...
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Posted: Sunday May 20th, 2007 10:44 |
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LONDON BBC NEWS, THE DAY AFTER THE INCIDENT.
At the time they were saying the police were tipped off that somethingwas going to happen.
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Posted: Sunday May 20th, 2007 16:52 |
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if, as twistedsister suggests, the guy was rotten anyway and deserved what he got, then how, according to you sis, does he compare to pedofiles, rapists, serial killers, and all that venom brought before a judge and jury for trial and are sitting out their prison terms. are these criminals and psychos too good for the likes of such victims? is this process too good for such a guy? is a prison cell for the crime "he was about to commit" too good for such like? do they like those psychopaths, some of whom have touched them directly or indirectly, more than they do fathers of four looking for a gun?
looks like it, especially when you think of the kind of hateful expressions you get from people you have never done a thing to.
what about the kids and other adults in our communities about to buy guns or already own one. did you hear about the teen who accidentally shot his sister? should the fifteen year olds walking up to the gun dealer's house be summararily executed? and why in heaven's name execute those about to buy a gun when you know who the seller is? shouldn't you be killing (I mean trying) him instead? is this THE deterrent, because again you have to ask the questions outlined above, and more.
i am not just talking out of the blue here. this kind of thing happens much too often in them here parts. the people involved have not come up with a sensible explanation for what happened, meaning the truth is unpallatable, implying whoever is behind this is covered with a white sheet doing all manner of ungodly things at night while they mingle with good citizens during the day. scary thought that...
their country, their way of doing things, but still you have to speak out when you find yourself in the midst of his nightmare, no? and what's up with the person who remarked I am formenting racial hate? is this the reason it is so easy to shoot up minorities in this country because whoever complains will be accused of inciting racial hate? not even clever...
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Posted: Monday May 21st, 2007 12:28 |
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@ Twistedsister (very ironic)
Zero Tolerence approach? 
We have not dealt with the problem ourselves because WE are not the people bringing the guns in here, WE have no powers to stop the guns sellers/buyers. WE have no powers of arrest, WE have no sources of intelligence to find out where these gins come from and how to keep them out of the hands of our children.
If the police have this intelligence and were doing their jobs properly then they would have followed the man to the place where he was buying the gun from, raided the place, arrested him and the sellers and seized the guns they had on the property. Via questioning it may have been possible to establish where these guns had come from, and who the main buyers would have been.
Killing one black man on his way to buy a gun is NOT doing anything to address gun crime in the black community!
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Posted: Saturday May 26th, 2007 11:19 |
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Twistedsista wrote Sunday May 20th, 2007 11:44: LONDON BBC NEWS, THE DAY AFTER THE INCIDENT.
At the time they were saying the police were tipped off that somethingwas going to happen.
************************************* Apart from the Press Release written by the police who shot Mr Nicholas and given to the BBC to read out, do you have any other information regarding what happened - in particular any information that comes from a source other than the police who shot this African?
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Posted: Sunday May 27th, 2007 12:03 |
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to answer your question, no. it will be interesting to see how this plays out.
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Posted: Sunday June 3rd, 2007 09:59 |
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The weird part of this shooting is not the event itself. When you give a man a GUN, it creates a desire to pull the TRIGGER. Remember Harry Stanley?
No, the strange part is the total silence in the media. After Mr "Terry Nicholas" was identified, the press and BBC decided that their job was done.
The news equation seems to work like this (Police = good) x (man with dark skin)= (who cares? + our readers want Kylie).
There has been no sign of an inquest, so perhaps the Men in Suits want more bodies?
I guess you have to accept that Press Freedom disappeared a few years ago, and that almost all UK journalists have been emasculated.
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Posted: Sunday June 3rd, 2007 16:59 |
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Posted: Sunday June 3rd, 2007 17:46 |
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Even if the victim was a Really Bad Man with a string of convictions, he must have a family somewhere. Why are they silent? Did the police kill him to protect an undercover colleague or informant? Did they shout a silent warning?
The name Terry Nicholas might be an aka.
And the lack of witnesses? Who are they going to tell?
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