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Posted: Friday April 13th, 2007 07:25 |
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It is of concern that the petition to stop the mega mosque on the London Olympic site remains, although the government has been urged to drop it. The petition which has been described as being supported by the British National Party and Neo Nazi groups states;
"We the Christian population of this great country England would like the proposed plan to build a Mega Mosque in East London Scrapped. This will only cause terrible violence and suffering and more money should go into the NHS."
What this "terrible violence and suffering" is considered to consist of is beyond by comprehension, but then racists do tend to be relatively brainless. Even though Black Information Link, Islamophobia Watch and MPACUK are amongst those questioning the petition, it’s supporters and its wording, the government has failed to respond to the situation.
So if you think that your vote for New Labour should not mean a vote for racism and Islamophobia, then email 10 Downing Street (webmaster@pmo.gov.uk) to request that these words be removed or failing that, the whole petition taken off line.
(My own blog lists an example of those sigining the petition, which Ive not posted here due to the racist nature of the wording used!)
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Posted: Friday April 13th, 2007 07:53 |
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| cant see the problem with a christian country not wanting to be over run with these eyesores.
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Posted: Friday April 13th, 2007 10:48 |
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Black_Power wrote: cant see the problem with a christian country not wanting to be over run with these eyesores.
"...When THEY came for US, there was no one left"
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Posted: Friday April 13th, 2007 18:07 |
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Personally I think the mosque is a good idea as long as its run and managed by credible people.
However, if it is decided that it will not go ahead, this should not be due to the requests of right wing racists.
If we allow the racists to win when 'it doesnt affect us', then they'll also win when it does!
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Posted: Friday April 13th, 2007 18:17 |
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I dont think those Kadianis should buld that mosque.
personal opinion thats all
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Posted: Friday April 13th, 2007 18:27 |
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Black_Power wrote: cant see the problem with a christian country not wanting to be over run with these eyesores.
LOL, quite a few Christians say the say the same about black folks...
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Posted: Friday April 13th, 2007 18:30 |
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Of course, if it does go ahead it should be built and managed by credible people. Its just if it doesnt go ahead, this should be based on good reasoning, and not because of the campaining of the BNP.
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Posted: Friday April 13th, 2007 18:34 |
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Surely the issue is not about christian or muslim or if the mosque should or should not be allowed(my personal opinion if they can afford to build it. And within the regulation guidlines then why not personally think they can be quite attractive and the evening call to pray is soothing-more so then bells clanging) And yes I am a christian...sort of.
The real issue here is BNP tactics and goverment policy.
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Posted: Friday April 13th, 2007 18:51 |
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Thats exactly my concern.
The BNP should not be influencing government policy.
Whats even more concerning is that the government doesnt seem tbe to bothered in taking steps to ensure it doesnt appear to us that it is being influenced by the BNP.
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Posted: Friday April 13th, 2007 19:12 |
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jamal786 wrote: Of course, if it does go ahead it should be built and managed by credible people.
since when did the kadianis became credible?
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Posted: Friday April 13th, 2007 19:24 |
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didnt realise this petition was still going on. many of my friends from east london have sent this to me.
not surprised the bnp would jum on the bandwagon. i think the petition should more request and equally cost worthy and size church and then there would be no complaints. the kicc doesnt count imo
whose money is being used to build the mosque?
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Posted: Friday April 13th, 2007 19:31 |
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Tahliba wrote: Surely the issue is not about christian or muslim or if the mosque should or should not be allowed(my personal opinion if they can afford to build it. And within the regulation guidlines then why not personally think they can be quite attractive and the evening call to pray is soothing-more so then bells clanging) And yes I am a christian...sort of.
The real issue here is BNP tactics and goverment policy.
Spot on Tahliba...in addition people should wake up to the potential of this threat if the BNP is successful, how do you lot think it would be BEFORE they focused on other cultures to target.....
If i can just remind people that Peter Tatchell was taken lightly and look when he and his cronies did to one section of BLACK music.... trust me no BLACK person name African..should be condoning this petition...
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Posted: Friday April 13th, 2007 19:45 |
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The only problem here is, Majority of Muslims do not agree with the Qadianis and of course majority are against that mosque so that says it all...Now the way i see it if BNP have come on board then fair enough...as a Muslim i see Kadianis and BNP as same but the bottom line i am not infavour of that Masjid by all means
Today i attended salat Jumma (friday prayers) in a council hall and no one complained that its not appropriate to pray there. I will not fall in this Kadiani trap of having a massive masjid while in truth they distort almost every word inthe Qur'an
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Posted: Friday April 13th, 2007 21:03 |
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With all the effort the government using to places emphasis on Imams and mosques being managed according to specific guidelines, I assume it would be reasonable for it to ensure that if the mosques creation and management is instead given to credible organisations, rather than the Qadanis. Since it is the taxpayers money that would bulid such a mosque I do not see why another group can be identified or why other structure could not be built also.
Ill probably never use the mosque because I hardly go to east london, but the fact remains that I dont want to see a plan for muslims or any other religion/group scrapped because of the requests of the BNP.
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Posted: Friday April 13th, 2007 21:05 |
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milesdavis wrote: K
The only problem here is, Majority of Muslims do not agree with the Qadianis and of course majority are against that mosque so that says it all...Now the way i see it if BNP have come on board then fair enough...as a Muslim i see Kadianis and BNP as same but the bottom line i am not infavour of that Masjid by all means
Today i attended salat Jumma (friday prayers) in a council hall and no one complained that its not appropriate to pray there. I will not fall in this Kadiani trap of having a massive masjid while in truth they distort almost every word inthe Qur'an
Miles you're going to have to break this issue down for me..is there a division in how some people worship Islam in London?
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Posted: Friday April 13th, 2007 23:15 |
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Kunjufu wrote: milesdavis wrote: K
The only problem here is, Majority of Muslims do not agree with the Qadianis and of course majority are against that mosque so that says it all...Now the way i see it if BNP have come on board then fair enough...as a Muslim i see Kadianis and BNP as same but the bottom line i am not infavour of that Masjid by all means
Today i attended salat Jumma (friday prayers) in a council hall and no one complained that its not appropriate to pray there. I will not fall in this Kadiani trap of having a massive masjid while in truth they distort almost every word inthe Qur'an
Miles you're going to have to break this issue down for me..is there a division in how some people worship Islam in London?
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I will break down two issues here:
1-WHY WE PRAY SEPARATE
2-QADIANIA or AHMADIYYA (the ones who want to build that mega mosque)
Yes there is huge division how we worship here in London and Britain as a whole. I have had expereinced this in the Midlands esp Leicester while in Birmingham i found out that many Black Muslims of Jamaican or Caribbean origin were more intergrated but when it comes to prayers we differ
First of all i am a sunni, but i tend to be more liberal when it comes to the house of prayers so i wouldnt mind going to a shia Mosque even though there arent much here in London. The common problem we have as black muslims here is not many speak URDU which is commonly used in many of these mosques and of course they would only switch to English when they need donations so you would find that some of us have been given local halls to conduct Friday prayers and leave those P*kistani led mosques alone and alos i am tired of being asked BRATHA, WHEN DID YOU CONVERT TO ISLAM? wtf
Secondly in my opinion it also depends on your upbringing, I was brought up under the Maliki school of Islamic Jurisprudence while others would be more at hiome with Hanbali,Shafii or Hanafi, But the biggest issue is where you feel confortable and majority of African or Black Muslims are more at home with their own than Asians.
QADIANIS
They take their founder to be the last prophet and the reincarnation of Jesus and Krishna. For example there was a time in Guyana, Ahmadiyya was seen as a ''reform movement'', often becuase their mosques are the only ones that have womens sections, while the real Muslims do not, (who are often from Indian subcontinent- and let their culture get in the way). Basically it began in Qadian, India....if you need to wind them call them "Mirzai" (apparently a derogatory term)....but under no grounds I would give them the pleasure of being calleing them"Ahmadi's" as as it takes from the Prophet's (Peace Be Upon Him) name and should not be associated with these people who have committed a great shirk in refuting Allah's (SWT) revelations.
BNP are a bunch of racists but these QADIANNIS are a bunch of assholes and are worse than BNP in my opinion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadi
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Posted: Saturday April 14th, 2007 00:21 |
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milesdavis wrote: alos i am tired of being asked BRATHA, WHEN DID YOU CONVERT TO ISLAM? wtf
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Posted: Saturday April 14th, 2007 01:08 |
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Miles, point taken. Particularly if it has been substantiated that this group will have full control of the project and would subsequently manage along the way you suggest.
Nevertheless, if there is a vacant spot for such a mosque, why could it not just as easily be made available to be built by another group and if the governemnt was smart they would provide funding and ensure they could then be involved in overseeing the way in which it was run, therefore ensuring that extreme ideas were not being promoted therein. This would then serve the governments attempts at dealing with radicalism as well as serve the muslim community.
I feel the governemnt has a good opportunity to do this here but this is being lost due to the tactics of the BNP and there ilk.
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Posted: Saturday April 14th, 2007 01:47 |
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Miles, on another discussion online, the following was posted by a guy I consider to be pretty credible, and it seems to clear up alot of the background stuff regarding the mosques. Im still looking into the Qadani thing. With reference to what you said about the language thing, I know this happens but there is a drive for khutbahs to be given in english so that people understand and such a big mosque could be a flagship for this practice and others currently being recommended by the government and muslim leaders.
"The proposed mosque is entirely privately funded and now the land is in deadlock. i've been to the site a few times, it's where tablighi jamaats are sent out from in our community and i remember when it had been bought, it was brilliant. the proposed design for it is like no other mosque and will use environmental methods of energy, etc.
once london won the olympic bid, the council wanted the land back to expand west ham station and make it a transport hub but the private company intedning to build the mosque said no.
so last year all this hoo-haa was created about the guys from walthamstow and leytonstone planning to blow up transatlantic planes and how a common theme among them was that they had attended talks at that site by tablighi jamaat groups, implying that they were somehow responsible.
the MI5 and FBI responded by questioning tablighi jamaat and plaving the name of every person that leaves the country with a tablighi jamaat on a watch list. what did the tablighi jamaat headquarters in dewsbury say? "let them watch us, we have nothing to hide" and damn right!
i've been on tablighi jamaats myself from that site (just an old building at the moment) and it's just about bettering yourself as a muslim - how the hell did their good name get mixed up in terrorism? of course, the media fuelled it by having reporters go to the site and find that... muslims are really a nice welcoming bunch. why are they so afraid of people practicing their religion?
anyways, i digress. the mosque deserves to go ahead. there will not be any violence. i mean, walk through east london, there's literally a mosque on every corner. now some clever clogs will say well why do you need this one?
this is not just a mosque but an entire community centre for the muslim community. there will be a gym, classrooms and all these other facilities i can't think of at the moment but will be open to all.
AND IT'S ENTIRELY PRIVATELY FUNDED!"
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Posted: Sunday April 15th, 2007 08:21 |
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Quote:"We the Christian population of this great country England would like the proposed plan to build a Mega Mosque in East London Scrapped. This will only cause terrible violence and suffering and more money should go into the NHS."
I swear people build mosques through private money?
@Miles Davis, i thought the group building the mosque was Tabliqi Jamat?
@Kunjufu, the Qadiani group was created by the British during colonialism,as were several other groups. Some of the preachers would say to the people "it is unislamic to resist the British"........
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Posted: Sunday April 15th, 2007 08:22 |
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Black_Power wrote: cant see the problem with a christian country not wanting to be over run with these eyesores.
Well in this " Christian country" churches are abandoned and sold thus Muslims were converting them into churches. I hear this has also being stopped by the authorities.........
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Posted: Sunday April 15th, 2007 18:00 |
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When jamal786 says of Tablighi Jamaat "how the hell did their good name get mixed up in terrorism? of course, the media fuelled it by having reporters go to the site and find that..." he may be thinking of entirely justifiable reports that there most certainly are links with terrorists. For example, according to this Times article
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article608138.ece
there are good reasons why we should be preventing Tablighi Jamaat from increasing its influence in the UK. French intelligence say it is an “antechamber of fundamentalism� and the FBI say it is a "fertile breeding ground for al-Qaeda". Then there are the links with 7/7 bomber Mohammad Sidique Khan. I was interested to read here also of the connection between Khan's wife, Hasina Patel, and Aishah Azmi.
I await with interest the anti-French and anti-American abuse which will follow this post.
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| @Zube, Everyoen knows all the Mosques in Britain are full of mi5 and other intelligence service spies. Any "terrorist" would clearly be stupid to promote anything in a mega mosque.........Besides the owners/runners wouldn't let them in the first place.......
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Them divisions within Islamic communities will be irrelevant if the BNP get their way.
If they win this battle they will be strengthened to fight others
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Posted: Tuesday April 17th, 2007 11:49 |
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| I think its unfair that some posters are saying that if you object to to the mega-mosque then you must support the BNP. Its the same as when George Bush said that 'your either with us or against us' in the war on terror. Neither assumption is true. I don't agree with a mega-Mosque bottom line. Can some explai |
