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Posted: Monday February 23rd, 2004 00:20 |
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Shing..........
It appears that "intervention" means more to you than I....I remember a time when the currency taken out of the UK was strickly controled....an "intervention" to control the economy.Surely a nation that has been independent for 20 plus years can put into force "interventions" that limit the forex transfer from its domain and other inequalities.
The UK government reneged on its involvment in the land reform issue...you and I can question its motives,but from that point Zimbabwe must react. All I am basically saying is Zimbabwe has reacted wrongly ........over reacted.The arguement that the means satisfy the end over rides anything I or anyone can say...any logical solution.If any Zimbabwean want a different route they are puppets of the colonialist masters...or poorly educated and need to be lead.All white farmers have Swiss bank accounts that are growing fatter daily with no direct loyalty or interest in the development of the country....is that not a gross a generalisation..... misinformation? No doubt there are the majority who would like to have stayed as the ruling class...but man is the most adaptable of creatures...white and black.There has always been a system of a paternalistic elite in this country...we bow and curtsey to our "betters"...some of the last bastions remain in the country gentry...(go on a rough shoot in the highlands of Scotland...but maybe you would be barred)...its a dieing breed of people....not nice to us low born whites either... but its just there...an anachronism...a throw back to our great past.The only difference here is they are not as recognisable as in Africa...we are all white.
The problems in Africa are financial colonialism...a few or more well drafted laws would help to solve the attitudes that subjugate the indegenious people.The West has no influence in your duely elected parliaments...I can understand the resentment the suspiscions the sensitivity...but why use a sledge hammer to crack a nut....a nut that you want to enjoy.
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Posted: Monday February 23rd, 2004 20:35 |
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@Geoff
‘The West has no influence in your duely elected parliaments...’
Have you never heard of the MDC?
‘All I am basically saying is Zimbabwe has reacted wrongly ........over reacted.’
I disagree. If you watch western media, as some of your posts suggest you do, you would realize that it is your side of the world who have over reacted. It’s similar to Iraq, the need to falsify data or deliberately misrepresent reports (as you did in an earlier post). All to pressurize someone who is undertaking a policy which is more beneficial to indigenous Zimbabweans than to western business or colonial whites. Hmn, I wonder if this is the first time this has ever happened…..
‘The UK government reneged on its involvment in the land reform issue...you and I can question its motives,…’
Where have you questioned their motives? It seems you have only questioned the motives of Mugabe. Correct me if I’m wrong please because I would like to read some of your objectivity (if it exists).
‘If any Zimbabwean want a different route they are puppets of the colonialist masters...or poorly educated and need to be lead.’
These are your words Geoff. I’ve made it clear which Zimbabweans I think are puppets. There are many ‘different route arguments’ which you have been incapable of raising so I have not responded in kind. Your posts have focused on mainstream western arguments. I also made it clear that ‘concerned’ Zimbos should not throw in their lot with blair & bush. Does that mean I said that there is no place for their arguments or criticisms of Mugabe or the land reform process? I have consistently been against the tools being used by western imperialism; media misinformation and mdc to name a few and the motivation for the sudden desire to remove Mugabe from power. Your repeated mantra of a question; ‘why now?’ comes to mind.
‘All white farmers have Swiss bank accounts that are growing fatter daily with no direct loyalty or interest in the development of the country....is that not a gross a generalisation..... misinformation?’
You misinform yourself Geoff. Who said All? I suggested the Zim govt took certain steps to curb practices of white farmers. If you ASK me for figures, I think a significant number of them. That doesn’t have to be all of them but enough to cause a problem.
‘The only difference here is they are not as recognisable as in Africa...we are all white.’
I am aware of similarities but in the case of Africa you also (as always) ‘gloss over’ MANY differences. I wonder if I’m surprised.
‘…but why use a sledge hammer to crack a nut....a nut that you want to enjoy.’
Again, Geoff. You talk as if the west just sits back whenever any leader in the 3rd world attempts to improve the lot of indigenous people and not western business interests or white colonialists. I think you need a little more insight into uk and us foreign policy before you suggest that you understand ‘the resentment the suspiscions the sensitivity’. That’s of course if you actually believe any of the things you’ve been posting up here. It seems to me (as with the over reacting) that the resentment etc is coming squarely from whitehall and washington not to mention rhodesia.
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Posted: Monday February 23rd, 2004 21:01 |
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Don't get me wrong peeps,
I have my own criticisms of Mugabe and the land reform process but in the onslaught of western neo-colonialism/blatant ignorance and racism, these become sidelined by the fact that the western endgame is not to raise the living standards of ordinary Africans. This includes Zimbabwe folks. The west at its most benevolent or humane towards Africa can only manage a policy of ALLEVIATION and not ERADICATION to problems which often have a root in their Garden of Eden. The eradication must be left to our own African leaders. And WHEN they do (because life is not a 24/7 revolution or perhaps the revolution is always there - sometimes a ticking bomb - sometimes the hour hand of the clock) the REACTION of the west is deserving of the utmost scrutiny.
With the greatest of respect I would like to use something I read on the thread about Haiti, posted by TECHNOIR……..
‘I've been recently watching some of the Cold War series on the UK History channel. It has provided very real insights into US foreign policy and covert operations. Last night's looked at US interventions in Cuba, Guatemala, Chile, Nicaragua, El Salvador, and Grenada from the 1950s to 1990. Quite the eyeopener.
One thing that becomes clear, any leader who proposes land reform and/or creates policies to help the poor is going to find himself and his country being subject to a low intensity warfare onslaught that is well nigh irresistible. ‘ - Technoir
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Posted: Monday February 23rd, 2004 21:06 |
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Thanx Fred. I know where I'll be keeping your present.
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Posted: Tuesday February 24th, 2004 00:27 |
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Shing please.......
I make a statement..........‘The West has no influence in your duely elected parliaments...’
And you come back with............Have you never heard of the MDC? ...When was the MDC duely elected?
I say.....I remember a time when the currency taken out of the UK was strickly controled....an "intervention" to control the economy.Surely a nation that has been independent for 20 plus years can put into force "interventions" that limit the forex transfer from its domain and other inequalities.
You dont respond on this.....
I say ....you and I can question its motives,but from that point Zimbabwe must react......You question my motivation....not the point I am makeing....... that a reaction or intervention would have been appropriate back then....And so my mantra is very much the basis of my unease.....Why now?
I can repeat my self over and over and over....If it is right to have land reform...and I have agreed it is needed....it is merely the timeing and the true motivation that is in question....but as I said earlier If the end justifies the means....
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Posted: Tuesday February 24th, 2004 10:37 |
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Geoff please…..
‘When was the MDC duely elected?’ Exactly and who financed them. Surely an interference in the affairs of another country. You think that the mdc must be in power to cause problems. You think that the mdc have been behaving like they are in a two party state and not as they have been behaving; with a timetable for regime change and destabilisation of zim which is an agenda directly from whitehall where some of their finances come from. Thus, to ignore the mdc because they are not currently in power is ridiculous.
‘Surely a nation that has been independent for 20 plus years can put into force "interventions" that limit the forex transfer from its domain and other inequalities.’
The Govt has monetary policies in place. To suggest that these alone are effective in the face of economic sabotage from the west is laughable. You seem to suggest that the only thing required is for govts to put the right policy in place to cure all ills. You need to look at what happens to 3rd world leaders when they do exactly what you suggest especially if those policies favour 3rd world people and not western interests.
‘And so my mantra is very much the basis of my unease.....Why now?’
You are only uneasy with the actions of the Zim govt and you seem to think that land reform suddenly popped onto the agenda today. If you can only look at the reaction of one side and conclude that it is wrong why then are you not also capable of looking at what they are reacting to? And the ‘timeing and the true motivation’ of the uk and us govt?
‘I say ....you and I can question its motives,but from that point Zimbabwe must react......’
‘but from that point’ – From this point you show yourself clearly. Like most white people you are incapable of looking at the roots of African problems or you choose to deliberately ignore them. You can only stare in puzzlement or ‘unease’ without looking at what may have prompted the actions of an African govt. That is not analysis Geoff. That is pre-judgement which is what I’ve come to expect from you. You seem to be suggesting that it is the Zim govt actions which should be looked at only. But if you are incapable of looking at the actions and ‘motives’ of say blair then how can you truly judge the actions of the Zim govt? You conclude that the response of the Zim govt is ‘wrong’ when you look at the response in isolation to what they were responding to in the first place. Have you never heard of BALANCE? You cannot apply the question of ‘why now’ to the actions of anyone besides Mugabe. Are you serious at all? Do you have no concept of ‘just cause’ or ‘cause and effect’? Even when someone has committed murder, the trial looks at WHY the person did it. If it is found that the defendant was defending themselves (i.e look at what the 'victim' was doing -were they powerless or attacking the defendant?) then perhaps a verdict of SELF DEFENCE is more appropriate.
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Posted: Tuesday February 24th, 2004 23:33 |
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@Shing who said
"Don't get me wrong peeps,
I have my own criticisms of Mugabe and the land reform process but in the onslaught of western neo-colonialism/blatant ignorance and racism, these become sidelined by the fact that the western endgame is not to raise the living standards of ordinary Africans. This includes Zimbabwe folks. The west at its most benevolent or humane towards Africa can only manage a policy of ALLEVIATION and not ERADICATION to problems which often have a root in their Garden of Eden. The eradication must be left to our own African leaders".
My feelings in part, Shing] and what I stated in my first post on this issue. I am not in the position to have all the information I would like. But I know enough, and I definitely aware [as I have seen it too often] the various strategies at play to underimine another African/Caribbean leader.
So there is no way, as I said previously that I am going to give any credence to western propanda, or appologists. If Mugabe is what they[whites and their friends] say, the Zimbabwean people who fought and died for their freedom and land, will have no qualms to do what has to be done to remove him, by any means.
So can't see what's the drama about. But small small mercys, the issue brought sister Shing back in full affect, and my man got her aroused[hmmm] so the ploy worked[evil smile....]. WEll done Geoff exectuted like a true pro......
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Posted: Wednesday February 25th, 2004 00:48 |
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President Mugabe has convinced many people of good will, here in the USA, that his stand on land redistribution demonstrates his commitment to true Black majority rule in Zimbabwe. What is strikingly odd about this is that land redistribution could have been conducted over the last 10 years (for the first ten, due to the terms of the Lancaster House Agreements, there was little that could be done). In fact, it needed to happen. The demand for land by agricultural workers and farmers was a real initiative. While it is absolutely the case that the US and Britain were to assist in subsidizing the land redistribution (and in fact reneged on this promise) the issue of land redistribution was largely ignored by President Mugabe's government until a mass opposition movement arose that challenged his, until then, undisputed leadership role. It was only at that juncture that President Mugabe championed immediate land redistribution, but in a manner that benefited not the mass of agricultural workers and farmers, but instead first and foremost the party faithful of the ZANU-PF-the ruling party.
Not my opinion ....a comment from this site....http://www.blackcommentator.com/51/51_zim_fletcher.html.........
which is the basicaly the same as I have been trying to say...but less eloquently.
I know it is only an opinion ,and from a western perspective you may say.....an interesting site..........http://www.blackcommentator.com/51/51_zim.html
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Posted: Wednesday February 25th, 2004 13:47 |
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 @All. Well my man Geoff is clearly a dedicated solidier to a cause. Blindly so, but clearly dedicated to a cause in other people's country. Such is his dedication and faith in his cause celibre, he clearly does not listen or understand what he has been clearly told.
Hence if he did, he would not have wasted his time posting his last contribution. He may claim he is posting to educate others, but I see nobody coming forward to thank him, or defend him, which is not diffucult to understand given this is a black forum and he is arguing something which I suggest is only music to the majority white ear.
Any African/Black person, from whatever part of the world, I am confident would feel very suspicious and uneasy about his his arguments, and determination in this context, if it were there country in question. So not really suprise the black Defense force have not rushed to his rescue.
He posts a tract from the American based Black Commentator, which is supposed to advance the discussion how....?Oh because they are black me thinks.
If Geoff was following the argument he would have realised that argument got trashed long days. I stated during the Angola civil war, Africans abroad were supported the wrong side, because there was insufficient information coming from within the country from the good guys ,and the bad guys had their friend's churning out propaganda, just as the US and their friends in Haiti are doing this second.
American radicals sorry have historically had some bad expereinces supporting the wrong people like Sekou Sese Mobutu when he first came to power. I know people who met with Idi Amin, an international Pan African delegation, not knowing unlike their members back home that he was a tool of the enemy and mass murderer of African people. Information is power and so is disinformation.
Black women in the US swallowed the right wing conservative and white feminist line hook line and sinker over the Judge Clarence Thomas case, depiciting as some animal and Anita Hill some angel victim. I did not swallow it for a second, and thought both of them were extremely doddgy and playing race and sex games. Years later and reading some serious books on the matter, I was proven correct to the letter. The whole thing did not make sense from my experience or judgement. So a case of disinformation ably assisted by African Americans.
People like Alice Walker, and even god forbid Toni Morrison, had not even let two weeks pass and they were writing articles being sent world wide propagating the enemy agenda. The Democrats and Liberals did not want Thomas nominated, and the white feminist were having a fit, as he was conseravtive[white US breed and intractable coconut.].
No woman who claims she was seriously sexually harrassed, decides to follow the same boss when he is promoted not only once, but twice...They were having sex and her career was tied to his ,and when he dumped her for his white woman. sh*t hit the fan...
Hill confessed to a white feminist friend who was well connected ,the latter put pressure on her, the rest is history...and Clarence Thomas was dead in the water..
So if Geoff thinks he is dealing with kids who have seen or experienced nothing like this before, he is making a serious mistake. Disinformation is the oldest tactic in war and governance is over 10,000 years old.
Another illustration of how black people are used to promote white propaganda can be seen by AllAfrica.Com. An alleged All African news and information service. It was brought to my attention, that most[if not a significant amount] of the news they deal with or disemmeinate comes from Rueters and other western media agencies..
So face it Geoff, we have been here before. I don't know why you are crying blood for Zimabweans and Zimbabwe. It is not your country. It is Shings country and I assume she has more invested in terms of blood, material and cultural than you. Furthermore on principle I will oppose you as an African defending anothers right to determine their people's fate.
God forbid, you pick up a woman from my country and then start trying to bring my government down. That is my job friend not yours. Strange logic that is. I think there is an interesting and salutory lesson there about African/Black women and white men and the rights they think access to a black woman gives them.
Shing stop flashing your butt at my man. I figured it out, that's what is doing it, and increasing his motivation and resolve. Now that I can understand as a motivating factor, because I am damn if I can work out what is driving him other than that. The usual white issues not withstanding of course....
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Posted: Thursday February 26th, 2004 00:30 |
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To all and sundry....
Fred has the final say on this....but I trust he keeps on investigating with an open mind ...he would never admit here openly to any misgivings about a current African Hero...I hear him and respect his point of view.
He said....
So face it Geoff, we have been here before. I don't know why you are crying blood for Zimabweans and Zimbabwe. It is not your country. It is Shings country and I assume she has more invested in terms of blood, material and cultural than you. Furthermore on principle I will oppose you as an African defending anothers right to determine their people's fate.
It is my world and Shing's world and FredBlack's world we are in this together for better or worse,please dont try to second guess my motives I have no sinister agenda.
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Posted: Thursday February 26th, 2004 00:56 |
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Geoff: As a quick aside, can I strongly suggest in terms of your own self development on the subject of colonisation institutional and systematic brutality that eminated from this system.. That if you didn't catch the very good and informative documentary on the Congo entitled: White King, Red rubber, Black death. on BBC4 on Tuesday, that you ought to beg borrow or steal a copy of this programme..
Even from a European perspective it was a brilliant illustration of how the Belgian King Leopold interpreted the concept of Capitalism in Africa, and was by no means unique or disimilar to behaviour and attitude of C. Rhodes in Zimbabwe..
I think once you see this it just might, if viewed objectively give you a better insight as why we get so p.issed by Europeans attempting to take the moral high ground on issues of Africa..
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Posted: Friday February 27th, 2004 01:33 |
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Kunjufu...
Thanks for the information , have asked BBC if its due for repeat,will post it here if and when I get a reply.I understand what you are saying about the way we (europeans) see ourselves as "better" My wife tells me I am a humble person,I dont feel I have any overt ego or arrogance in these sort of matters (dont think I have an ounce of arrogance)...but to be brutaly honest I do feel at times the need to keep a watch on my patronising even superiour attitude.I think it good I recognise it in myself as I know it angers me when seen in others....I am working on mine.
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Posted: Sunday February 29th, 2004 17:39 |
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Panaorama tonite – programme about Mugabe and his training camps to brainwash and torture youth etc. I suspect here will be the undisputed truth and compelling evidence to show that Mugabe must be removed now. He must. Write to your MP or MEP. Ask them why aren’t they doing anything to help these poor Zimbabweans……
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Yeah, I’ll stop flashing my ass. Might be difficult but I’ll try.
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Sorry Fred, I tried.
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Posted: Sunday February 29th, 2004 22:22 |
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Thank you Shing for the programme reminder nearly missed it.....
I watched it.... with my wife.......she spent most of the time sucking her breathe.........I tried to explain it was mostly BBC propaganda .......... and not to take it on face value.
If a quarter of it even resembles a travesty of the facts...it is foreboding a sorry future.If it was propaganda it was well done.....if it was fabricated...it was a hell of a lot of work...if it was factual....it was a hell of a lot of work.
Lets all wait and see what happens.........................?
Geoff
I now dream of Shing doing the kwasa kwasa.................never even considered her that way till Fred put it in my head.......so dont blame me.
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Posted: Monday March 1st, 2004 08:57 |
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‘If a quarter of it even resembles a travesty of the facts...it is foreboding a sorry future….’
If, if, if. If it is 100% accurate then so what? There is only one major line to take from the narrative of this show; ….’Zimbabwe is in breach of UN human rights accords it has signed’. Just like they have to focus on human rights issue when they failed to find WMD in Iraq. They will use the human rights angle to justify anything they do against Zimbabwe. All in the name of preventing Africans from economic prosperity.
Go to the BBC Panorama website and read the comments by people ‘sickened’ by the programme. The objectives of the programme are clear. They want support for action against Zimbabwe.
I’m not going to bother going into detail criticising what I felt was a journalistically poor programme. Finding a problem and then laying it all at the door of one person is just a continuation of what the uk media have been doing since land reform began.
My point is this, Mugabe could be Hitler 2 but the u.k or u.s are in no position to tell any African what constitutes a good leader. The interests of the West will never match those of Africa. So, any action by the west in Africa is to be resisted even if they are claiming to be acting on ‘humanitarian grounds’. What is humanitarian about 4500 whites owning all the best land? What is humanitarian about apartheid? And yet, when all these practices were at their height, the bbc never embarked upon a demonisation campaign of these white leaders.
When will the BBC go back to what it supposedly does best? Honest and balanced reporting? Are Panorama and other BBC imperialist vassals going to continue demonising 3rd world leaders every time they challenge western financial supremacy in their own countries. Mugabe must go now because of land reform. To suggest that there is any real concern about the plight of black Zimbabweans is laughable when you consider that the 'human rights' issue and tales of torture only became an issue when land reform began in earnest.
I am sickened by so called independent media's intractable alliance to an obvious colonial agenda. It will be interesting to see how the impending land crises in Namibia, S.Africa and Kenya are reported. Or is Mugabe being used as an example to other African leaders not to mess with the west? Is this how the west will prevent the domino effect of economic revolution in Africa? Have they learned nothing from history? We were terrorists and tyrants when we went after liberation and our own flags. Then when they realised we were all doing it, we were freedom fighters………………
‘Lets all wait and see what happens.........................? ‘
The trouble is, your people don’t sit and wait. 
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Posted: Monday March 1st, 2004 23:20 |
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@Shing. Did not catch all the programme had to drop something by someone. But when I got there they were raving about how evil Mugabe was and I did not bother to watch the rest. It is clear it had the effect it was intended to.
The brother is coming around next weeek or so. So he will be put down and put straight because he was quite hyper after seeing the programme.
The struggle continues...
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Posted: Monday March 1st, 2004 23:55 |
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Shing ....please..........
You protest too much...against whom may I ask? It appears you dont like a differing opinion....Go yourself to the BBC show them the facts.They are a public service ...give them the scoop they will bite your hand off to get to the real facts....
If, if, if. If it is 100% accurate then so what? .......... Iwe shamwari......
The constitution of Zimbabwe allow the President to nominate up to thirty persons to the National Assembly.The undemocratic nature of this practice is worsened by the first past the post electoral system in the African Commonwealth countries, which strengthens majorities and lessens opportunities for political debate within and between states.
The 21st century is heralding a new set of challenges and opportunities for the overall human rights situation on the African continent. On the one hand, a new African "Renaissance" has been proclaimed in which peoples of the continent are called upon to assume their rightful place in the community of nations and to put their previous tragedies and turmoil behind them. On the other hand, the frequency, magnitude, intensity, viciousness and complexity in internal and regional conflicts, even in countries which until recently appeared stable, is increasing and growing.
And you say Shing......What is humanitarian about 4500 whites owning all the best land? What is humanitarian about apartheid? And yet, when all these practices were at their height, the bbc never embarked upon a demonisation campaign of these white leaders.
Do you want a yes or no to three different questions? What is the sum of 1 plus 1? what is the sum of 3 minus 1? so 10 plus 10 is? The answers are not compatible so why lump them together?
Mugabe must go now because of land reform.......
.who said that?..... you did,didn't you?...it was not in the programme I watched.
I am sickened by so called independent media's intractable alliance to an obvious colonial agenda.....
its what we call freedom of speech...would you not like a little amount of open discussion in your homeland? So that the idiots could be seen for what they are....whoever the idiots are.
When will the BBC go back to what it supposedly does best? Honest and balanced reporting? Are Panorama and other BBC imperialist vassals going to continue demonising 3rd world leaders every time they challenge western financial supremacy in their own countries
....Hitler raised Germany from destitution built roads built industry gave hope...and slaughtered untold numbers...he was a hero and one of the biggest b**tards the world has ever seen..........
Shing dont cloud issues.......
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Posted: Tuesday March 2nd, 2004 12:57 |
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‘Mugabe must go now because of land reform.......
.who said that?..... you did,didn't you?...it was not in the programme I watched. ‘
An agenda does not require a person to stand up and say what their motives are. Surely you know that Geoff? Do you know what an agenda is? If you go into a situation with your own agenda seeking to further your own aims then you should expect some criticism even if you are claiming to be helping us poor tortured Africans.
‘It appears you dont like a differing opinion....’ You are the one who does not like a differing opinion. I have made it clear that it is the agenda and timing of this so called ‘differing opinion’ which I do not like. I have stated before that I have my own criticisms of Mugabe and the land reform programme but that I am not going to be swallowed up by an agenda which is not for the benefit of ordinary black Africans. It seems you are incapable of seeing the difference between opposing an agenda or opposing an opinion. Or maybe you are more than capable but choose to focus on other things for reasons best kept to yourself.
‘You protest too much...against whom may I ask?’
You’re not serious at all Geoff. If you don’t read my posts just say so.
‘…..the overall human rights situation ……’ Yes Geoff and the human rights of black Africans are paramount to those of western business interests or rhodies.
‘Do you want a yes or no to three different questions?'
Don’t make me laugh Geoff. If you cannot see the difference between bbc reporting during the height of white imperialism and bbc reporting during black leader doing land reform then I cannot help you. As if the questions are unrelated. Please!
I think you know well enough the answers to any of the questions raised on this forum. Your agenda is clear or at least it’s clear that you continue to gloss over the realities of western domination. Like when you suggested that any country independent for over 20 years could put policies in place…….. And I responded that you ought to check the western response when 3rd world leaders do exactly what you suggest. You really act as if we live in some lily white world of cricket rules and fair play.
‘Go yourself to the BBC show them the facts. They are a public service ...give them the scoop they will bite your hand off to get to the real facts....’ I’m sure they will. Dream on Geoff. Also, as a lay person I have every right to criticise what I see as blatantly one sided reporting. This does not mean that I must become an undercover journalist myself to expose the lies and hypocrisy. I pay my licence fee- I thought quality reporting came as standard. It usually does but when the interests of the west are threatened or challenged it’s another story or Panorama documentary.
I think this will be my last post to you simply because there are patterns I see in the way you respond to my posts and those of Fredblack. You deliberately ignore or misrepresent things I’ve said instead of dealing with my core arguments. If you were able to do this we would have agreed to disagree already by now. So instead, let me just say good luck in all your endeavours.
Read posts and if you must respond then please respond accurately to what the person is saying and not to what you wish to respond to only.
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Posted: Tuesday March 2nd, 2004 18:51 |
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| i just wanted to say surely mugabe has said one thing that is true regrdless of the west ex-colonialist countries........blair to britain mugabe to zimbabwe. regardless of what any of us think. it is only the people who live in zimbabwe really who have any say literally.
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Posted: Wednesday March 3rd, 2004 15:44 |
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‘You protest too much….’
I notice that you always have a response to my ‘protests’. What does your response constitute then? A reasoned and balanced white man’s response? There is no element of ‘protest’ in your responses despite the fact that you always respond? So, I protest. You do what exactly?
Part of what motivates my ‘protest’ is that your ‘response’ or ‘protest’ is abundant in western newspapers, the bbc, ‘independent’ media in Zim. if I type Zimbabwe land reform/crisis as a web search, it is your views that are largely represented. So bearing in mind that the average black person can see or read your views/response/’protest’ practically everywhere then it’s important for differing opinions to be aired especially on a black website. That is what motivates my ‘protest’. I know what motivates your response/’protest’ and it aint pretty.
I would call my views/’protest’ more Afrocentric than your Eurocentric ones but then judging by your need to equate Hitler with Mugabe you would probably dispute that.
I said…..
‘If, if, if. If it is 100% accurate then so what?’’ and you responded ‘Iwe shamwari......’
With an agenda like yours you are nobody's friend (not on this site anyway) and if any one takes this Mother Theresa, crying for Africa nonsense seriously then please speak up now. Are you a relation of Cathy Buckle by chance?
'The 21st century is heralding a new set of challenges and opportunities for the overall human rights situation on the African continent.....'
Ooh er missus. It seems that it is okay for Africans to suffer but only under the yolk of white oppression. When Africans suffer due to consequences of trying to increase their autonomy in this white man’s world then and only then is it a human rights issue.
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Posted: Wednesday March 3rd, 2004 16:18 |
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'I think this will be my last post to you....'
OOps! Went back on my word like Mugabe. Sorry. Goodbye for real now. 
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