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Posted: Monday May 8th, 2006 11:07

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my friend just reccomended a wireless usb for use with my laptop

how does it work and how secure is the wireless connection

or am i better off seeing if i can latch on to someone elses wireless network

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Posted: Tuesday May 9th, 2006 20:27

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so no one knows anything about wireless internet/broadband connections

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Posted: Wednesday May 10th, 2006 08:58

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^{It looks like pretty recent technology, so maybe not many have direct experience - I don't....but you would use it in the same way as you would use a USB cable - for example, to connect a laptop to a modem/router - so I don't see that it affects your ability to connect to the Internet if your laptop has a mobile Ethernet card - you wouldn't need a USB connection for that anyway....or have I misunderstood?}

^{This might explain better than I can:}

http://www.intel.com/technology/comms/wusb/index.htm

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Posted: Wednesday May 10th, 2006 22:38

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No usb is needed, get a mini pci wireless card installed in your laptop and latch on to somebodies signal.

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Posted: Thursday May 11th, 2006 00:28

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LadyDay don't do it. I started this job as a consultant last year October and I've never done so much pen pushing in my life - the documentation is relentless. I got given a laptop to do the job which means I do get plenty opportunity to work from home. It has wireless connectiviity and I tell you I'd be compiling docs and posting on blacknet simultaneously all day....you're even browsing when sitting on the toilet LOL

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Posted: Thursday May 11th, 2006 16:08

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@Incognito it has to be done. i like the idea of lying in my bed and chilling back with my laptop

the browsing on the loo....that must be some serious loo action bighairlol

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Posted: Thursday May 11th, 2006 19:44

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@ Ladyday.. it is the cost that will cripple you (literarily)

Subscribe to Vodafone, you will received pcma card, using the infra-red of you mobile phone.. your laptop must have infrared connection.. In December 2005 the vodafone were chaging £35.00 monthly subscription plus .30p for duration. Vodafone will require good credit status though..

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Posted: Thursday May 11th, 2006 20:02

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LadyDay wrote: my friend just reccomended a wireless usb for use with my laptop

how does it work and how secure is the wireless connection

or am i better off seeing if i can latch on to someone elses wireless network

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If you already have a broadband or relatively highspeed internet connection, then all you need is connecting Ethernet cables and a wireless router like this...

This Linksys router is the one I use in my home. I have cable internet where I connect my PC to the router and then the router to the cable modem to get my internet. This router can have up to 4 desktop computers connected to it and a limitless amount of wireless connections. I have a laptop which has the wireless card/antenna built into the monitor for 802.11 b/g. Make sure the router you get says "G", so that you get the most versatile protocol support (for wireless technology thus far), although a "B" router would work fine (with slower speeds).

Every new laptop should have wireless built in; however, if you need a peripherral device for this then you could use one of several wireless USB devices...

I do have the second device above made by NetGear. You could even plug this into another PC/desktop and pick up a wireless connection.

As for network security, simply turn on the WEP in your router with whatever passphrase you want. To be honest with you, I have cracked every wireless network I have attempted (I am an electrical engineer). The encryption is weak. It only keeps out people who don't have the know-how; furthermore, most people don't even turn the WEP on, so no need to bother.

If you are just going to snoop on someone else's network, it is ok but you don't know how their internet connection and congestion may be. You also have to worry about getting a strong enough signal tapping someone else's network. When I am at home, I have an excellent signal no matter where I am with the laptop...even outside. You may not be so lucky tapping someone else's.

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Posted: Friday May 12th, 2006 21:34

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^thanks for the info

gonna see what the price range is for the wireless usb...does it take alot of memory and must the main pc be switched on at all times for it to work?

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Posted: Friday May 12th, 2006 22:19

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Well, the brotha you are talking to here is pretty sharp. Yeah, it doesn't eat up much memory. Just enough to run the wireless driver. A USB connector will be pretty cheap, since is it slower. But if you are just using it to access the Internet, you won't notice the speed at all.

As for being "switched" on, your USB connector should connect automatically when you power up your computer. So you don't have to leave your computer on. If you have any problems it will be because of distance/interference etc.

But the brotha who you are talking to here is right-on everything he has said.

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Posted: Friday May 12th, 2006 23:33

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ditto on what Dogon said...you should have no worries about memory or anything. The USB drivers of your computer handle the USB port so you don't have to worry about turning it on.

As for the "main PC", once you connect through a router, there is no main PC. Every computer connected whether wired or wireless are on the same network...your own home network.

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Posted: Sunday May 14th, 2006 20:19

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ok sounds workable

thanks again guys

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Posted: Wednesday May 17th, 2006 16:37

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are these any good

http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/6768298/Trail/C%24cip%3D36163.Office%2C%2BPC%2Band%2Bphones%3EC%24cip%3D36192.PC%2Bperipherals%2Band%2Baccessories%3EC%24cip%3D36196.PC%2Bnetworking%2Baccessories.htm

http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/6768322/Trail/C%24cip%3D36163.Office%2C%2BPC%2Band%2Bphones%3EC%24cip%3D36192.PC%2Bperipherals%2Band%2Baccessories%3EC%24cip%3D36196.PC%2Bnetworking%2Baccessories.htm

also have looked at these. the belkin and netgear ones

http://www.ntlshop.ntlworld.com/webstore/search.aspx?CatId=15&GroupRelationSelected=350302

i am trying to cut cost

what feautures shoul i look for and is speed boosting an essential

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Posted: Wednesday May 17th, 2006 21:23

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LadyDay, I think the lesser expensive Linksys will do just fine. I have not worked with Belkin, etc.

But I know Linksys well. They make good products. You won't need to worry so much about speed, especially if you are only going to be web surfing.

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Posted: Friday May 19th, 2006 19:26

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^Thanks for your reply

as long as i can password it should be okay

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Posted: Saturday May 20th, 2006 18:17

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i just bought the wrong thing

i bought a usb adaptor when what i needed was arouter

please someone help me

now i am gonna go back to the shop and make sure i get a router.

question is

does the router connect to the broadband modem then to the pc?

i am soooo confused now

help help help

my laptop has wifi and i do not require wireless for pc just want to free up the broadband connection so i can browse all over the gaffe

ethernet is not really an option. my pc cant support ethernet for some reason

i just pray to God i get to take back the adaptor

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Posted: Sunday May 21st, 2006 13:49

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LadyDay wrote: question is

does the router connect to the broadband modem then to the pc?

i am soooo confused now

help help help

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Yes, the router connects to your broadband modem through an Ethernet (CAT-5) cable. You should be able to get one where ever you got your router. You then connect the router to your PC with another Ethernet cable.

LadyDay wrote: my laptop has wifi and i do not require wireless for pc just want to free up the broadband connection so i can browse all over the gaffe

ethernet is not really an option. my pc cant support ethernet for some reason

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Once you connect your broadband modem to your router, you will be able to browse the internet with your laptop where ever you are in your place.

Now, when you say your PC can't support Ethernet, I find this hard to believe. Nearly every computer built in the last 4 years (at least) has an Ethernet port in the back, typically adjacent to the old 56K modem port...that is unless your computer is absolutely ancient. But even if it is, it is a simply problem to fix if you want to incur the extra costs. You can install an Ethernet card into the PCI slot of your PC (or have it installed). I installed one on my very first computer, and it was about $20 for the card then.

LadyDay wrote: i just pray to God i get to take back the adaptor

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The stores here, you can take it back within 30 days as long as you have the receipt.

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Posted: Sunday May 21st, 2006 15:22

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@Shemsi en Tehuti

i took back the adaptor and bought a router but it all has ethernet ports.

my broadband is connected via usb. tried ethernet and it kept rebooting constantly.

im gonna take this one back yet again only have 16 days to do so

my next move will be to go to a shop like comet or one of those pc shops near by

ps

my pc has an ethernet port

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Posted: Sunday May 21st, 2006 19:10

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Hey ladyday, it depends on what type of broadband you have. If you have aol, NTL or one of those ones which you plug in a USB (usually supplied with ASDL modem)to your computer to get internet access, you are going to need an ASDL Broadband Wireless Router.

When you get this router, you don't need your modem again, the router connects to the internet, and you then get wireless internet on your laptop, and you can use a cable to connect your pc to the router, you can buy a wireless PCI card or a USB for your main pc.

The advantage of this router is that you don't have to login everytime again, also your internet will be on on 24/7, so when you switch you pc off, or whatever you used to plug in the USB cable before, the other device would still be online .

you could connect many pcs online at the same time.

Ofcourse you have wireless internet on your laptop, meaning that you can work or Pm me from the Kitchen at any time, you can take you laptop to anywhere in your house and still be online.

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Posted: Sunday May 21st, 2006 19:30

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thats the thing the one i bought doesnt have any usb points

can you show me links to any makes and which shops do you reccomend as i think i need a shop assistant that can help

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Posted: Sunday May 21st, 2006 19:53

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the point is that the one you need to buy wouldn't need USB. This is because you would connect to it using a cable or through wireless. The cable will go from one of the ethernet port to the internet port on your pc. Hmm, you will connect your router to your phoneline using a (US to US )wire( all included ofcourse).

By the way, you need to setup the router, you would need to put your password and loggin name when your configuring the router.

You can buy one from Staples, Dixons , PC or your local computer shop or even a computer fair.

http://www.dixons.co.uk/martprd/store/dix_page.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@0115447452.1148240556@@@@&BV_EngineID=cccdaddhlekjlfgcflgceggdhhmdgmk.0&page=Product&fm=null&sm=null&tm=null&sku=904351&category_oid=

What company is your broadband with, note that other routers which are not ASDL routers are cheaper, but they wouldn't suit you if you are currently using ASDL modem to connect.

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Posted: Sunday May 21st, 2006 21:21

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ntl broadband

i bought this one http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/6766630/Trail/C%24cip%3D36163.Office%2C%2BPC%2Band%2Bphones%3EC%24cip%3D36192.PC%2Bperipherals%2Band%2Baccessories%3EC%24Brand%3DBelkin.Belkin.htm

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Posted: Sunday May 21st, 2006 22:23

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is it possible for me to connect my pc as normal via usb then also connect the router to the ntl modem via ethernet?

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Posted: Wednesday May 24th, 2006 17:53

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LadyDay wrote: thats the thing the one i bought doesnt have any usb points

can you show me links to any makes and which shops do you reccomend as i think i need a shop assistant that can help

Ah, that's the issue. I didn't understand at first. Your internet modem hooks into your pc via usb. That's a different situation.

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Posted: Wednesday May 24th, 2006 17:58

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LadyDay wrote: is it possible for me to connect my pc as normal via usb then also connect the router to the ntl modem via ethernet?

I have to think about that one. The issue is that usb connection that hooks into your computer. Ladyday, can you call your ISP and see if they will give you an internet modem that supports ethernet?

If the ethernet card on your current computer does not work, you can purchase a usb adaptor (wired or wireless)that will.

Also, I am assuming that you are in the U.K. If you like I can speak with you about this. You might have to download some IP voice software to your computer. Let me know.

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Posted: Wednesday May 24th, 2006 19:07

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^problem solved

safetblitz helped me

pc doesnt seem to reboot now (fingers crossed)

thanks again

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Posted: Wednesday May 24th, 2006 19:25

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So now you have your pc hooked in via ethernet?

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Posted: Wednesday May 24th, 2006 19:54

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TheDogon wrote: So now you have your pc hooked in via ethernet?

yep. the problem i had before it kept rebooting but it diesnt seem to be doing so now. im gonna keep an eye on it

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Posted: Wednesday May 24th, 2006 20:32

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LadyDay wrote: TheDogon wrote: So now you have your pc hooked in via ethernet?

yep. the problem i had before it kept rebooting but it diesnt seem to be doing so now. im gonna keep an eye on it

Well, good luck. I am happy things appear to be working now.

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LadyDay wrote: TheDogon wrote: So now you have your pc hooked in via ethernet?

yep. the problem i had before it kept rebooting but it diesnt seem to be doing so now. im gonna keep an eye on it

Well, good luck. I am happy things appear to be working now.

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Posted: Friday January 19th, 2007 15:19

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i need your help

i had to reset factory settings on laptop

now i need to re-connect wireless etc

however i cant get into my router, i have forgotten my user id but do have a passphrase that i worte down. it doesnt work

i even wrote down the network key but no matter how many times i type it i get an error

can anything be done ?

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Posted: Friday January 19th, 2007 18:01

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LadyDay wrote: safetyblitz

i need your help

i had to reset factory settings on laptop

now i need to re-connect wireless etc

however i cant get into my router, i have forgotten my user id but do have a passphrase that i worte down. it doesnt work

i even wrote down the network key but no matter how many times i type it i get an error

can anything be done ?

Every router has a reset function. What vendor is it from?

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Posted: Friday January 19th, 2007 22:20

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edited.....i should have read on

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Posted: Saturday January 20th, 2007 03:27

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The Dogon told you correctly. Hit the reset button on the router and then follow the steps I gave you. The reset button a linksys is small and you will need a pen to push the button if I remember correctly. Once it is reset, the password is admin for the password you do not have type anything into the user name. hit enter and then go back through securing it and you should be fine.

If you do not remember the last phrase you used in the router to generate the key to put into your laptop's wireless card, just use the new key and place it in your card's setting and viola!!! You are secure again

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Posted: Saturday January 20th, 2007 09:50

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safetyblitz wrote: The Dogon told you correctly. Hit the reset button on the router and then follow the steps I gave you. The reset button a linksys is small and you will need a pen to push the button if I remember correctly. Once it is reset, the password is admin for the password you do not have type anything into the user name. hit enter and then go back through securing it and you should be fine.

If you do not remember the last phrase you used in the router to generate the key to put into your laptop's wireless card, just use the new key and place it in your card's setting and viola!!! You are secure again

thanks , i thought i would have to end up buying another one.

well will do that tomorrow as today is my birthday and i just want to tek it easy

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Posted: Tuesday January 23rd, 2007 13:14

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sorted

though on a program its says wpa is more secure than wep as wep easier to break code is this true

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Posted: Tuesday January 23rd, 2007 13:28

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Yes, but if someone wants to hack into your network they're going to do it anyway.

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Posted: Wednesday January 24th, 2007 16:47

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Peacemaker wrote: Yes, but if someone wants to hack into your network they're going to do it anyway.

Wireless makes it much easier. The data packets are exposed, especially during storms or some type of magnetic interference. I never trusted wireless. DSL is the most secure. Packets are traveling through fiberoptics which are not succeptible to inference. Many many packet snifers out there and encryption is not a fullproof solution.

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