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Posted: Wednesday September 14th, 2005 15:44 |
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this may seem like a silly question to major IT nerds, but is there a major difference between "microsoft office access" and "microsoft works database"?.
I ask because i have both microsoft office and works installed on my laptop. But although i have powerpoint and excel on microsoft office, i do not have "access". I do however have "database" under microsoft works.
I checked the spreadsheet under office and works and they seem just about the same, but is there any differences between office access and works database?. thanx
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Posted: Wednesday September 14th, 2005 22:53 |
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I don't use Windows at all, however I do know that Microsoft Works is nothing more than an Office knock-off. They sell it to people who don't want to (or can't afford to) pay $400 for a full office package, but still want basic functionality. (It is often included with new low-end computers.) So, I can only assume that comparing the Microsoft Works Database to Microsoft Access is like comparing a candle to a floodlight.
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Posted: Thursday September 15th, 2005 00:44 |
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I looked at this post earlier today and focused on that IT nerds pajorative(sp?). I'm going to have to go to Japan and start spraying insecticide on pretty flying insects. LOL
I haven't used Access or Works database. I started using DBase in 1984 and switched to Foxbase in the early 90's. When MacroScam bought Foxbase I assumed there intent was to make it extinct. It's not about technology it's about money. MacroScam wants a high-end product for the corporate and sophisticated users and a low-end product for the people that won't pay the big bucks.
I am working on getting up to speed with MySQL now. Screw MacroScam.
PHP, MySQL AND APACHE 2nd edition by Julie C. Meloni
It appears that there are three different versions of this book. Two first editions with different covers, and a second edition which I have. It includes a CD with PHP, MySQL and Apache for Windows, Linux and Macs. So you can set up a server run a database using the included PHP scripts.
This is a review of the version I have.
http://www.aztcs.org/reviews/2005-03/0503b-pmaallin1.shtml
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or, BUG, Black UNIX Guru
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Posted: Thursday September 15th, 2005 22:35 |
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so basically, neither one of you can answer my question?!?!?! 
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Posted: Friday September 16th, 2005 00:42 |
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That's the bottom line. There are too many areas of specizlization and multiple products within each of those areas. Nobody knows all of it. I know a legal secretary that knows lots more about different word processing programs than I do.
She types faster than me too.
I did a Google search on the following:
"microsoft access" "works database" differences
I got 425 hits. Saw someone complainig about Access being harder to learn and Works was adequate for his job. Maybe you want to check out more of the hits.
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Posted: Friday September 16th, 2005 05:02 |
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Well, if you want a full feature by feature breakdown between MS Works and MS Access, then you will probably not get that here. Most people (particularly those in the computing industry) don't use MS Works (it is really just for home users and really small businesses), so only MS experts will be able to provide that. All I can tell you is that MS Access (along with the rest of the MS Office suite) is much more common and more widely accepted in the computing industry. It contains many more features, it is much more powerful, and it is easier to transfer and share databases with other businesses using it. Now, if MS Works is sufficient for your needs, then go ahead and use it. If you end up needing something more powerful, then MS Access would be the next step up.
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Posted: Friday September 16th, 2005 22:13 |
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Well as I am currantly doing a City and Guilds in IT. we will be doing databases on MS office access. Even though I have MS office installed on my laptop, the package doesn't include access. I do however have a database program under MS works. So what i really wanted to know was this: can i practice stuff i learn on the course on my laptop at home? Are the programs similar enough? And the response i get is basically that you guys don't know, but MS works is an old bruk down version of Office. So i am assuming i can do/practice the basic functions of database, but for the more in depth/higher level stuff, i would need access. So now i want to ask: Can i get access to buy as a package on its own and not part of MS office? On second thoughts, let me just check out amazon!
BTW, I DID google the topic, but there were just so many confusing/contradicting/irrelevent results that i thought posting here would give me something a bit more specific.
Guess I was wrong huh?!?!
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Posted: Saturday September 17th, 2005 00:51 |
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Yep, that's the trouble with the internet.
It's full of junk and incompetents.
What is City and Guilds?
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Posted: Saturday September 17th, 2005 07:01 |
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| City and guilds is just the name of a type of course/qualification.
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Posted: Saturday September 17th, 2005 09:25 |
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I just Googled City and Guilds. I got 509,000 hits.
Must be a long course. LOL
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Posted: Saturday September 17th, 2005 15:37 |
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If its for ur studies..Its necessary to use access. Don't bother with the works dbms.
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Posted: Saturday September 17th, 2005 20:30 |
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umbrarchist wrote: I just Googled City and Guilds. I got 509,000 hits.
Must be a long course. LOL
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Actually City and guilds covers a multitude of disciplines. I just happen to be doing an IT course in it. My course is 3 levels and each level is 16 weeks, but it really depends on the type of course you re doing. City and guilds is the qualification/certification you get at the end of it.
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Posted: Saturday September 17th, 2005 20:58 |
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| i don't think access can be that much of a "toy database" as many companies seem to use it. I am not asking what the best is , i am asking what the difference is between the two and if they are interchangable. since it will be access that we use on the course and works database that i have at home, i really don't have a choice, you know what i'm saying? I have asked a relativley simple straight forward question of people i assume are knowledgable on the subject and i can't get a straight answer!!
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Posted: Saturday September 17th, 2005 21:17 |
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Posted: Saturday September 17th, 2005 23:36 |
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| I have asked a relativley simple straight forward question of people i assume are knowledgable on the subject and i can't get a straight answer!! |
Maybe the problem is your ASSUMPTION. We exist to serve our purposes not yours.
The straight answer is: The only reason I would pay attention to Microsoft Access would be to learn how to move people from it to MySQL or Postgres.
I told you about dbase and Foxbase to indicate I knew something about databases. I specified a book that came with a CDROM with MySQL and other neat stuff. Schools may select stuff for courses because that is what the instructor knows it may not be what's best for the students to learn. If the instructor was smart he would use MySQL because all of the students could get it free. But students exist to serve the schools and teachers. Back in the 80s tens of thousands of students must have learned Pascal because that is what the schools decided to teach. I can't remember how long it has been since I have seen a Pascal book in a computer book store.
I don't know if your instructor would let you use MySQL and if you did it would undoubtedly be more work for you translating Access to MySQL jargon.
From what I have seen cruising the web researching your question works is a souped up spreadsheet to make it a little better than using a spreadsheet as a database. I have seen people use spreadsheets when they should have been using database. It works but not well.
The computer field is too broad and too deep. Somewhere there is an expert that could precisely answer your question but most computer experts could not. Experts want to make money on what they know. Don't assume they are objective or that they are even telling you what they really think. But how good can Access be if Microsoft is promoting more expensive database products? Consider the possibility that companies deliberately sabotage their products to serve their marketing strategy.
http://www.hallogram.com/access/
http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-6329-5056993.html
http://www.journeyed.com/itemDetail.asp?T1=10191723
How are you thinking about your career beyond this qualification? The technology doesn't care about qualifications, all that matters in manipulating tech is brains and knowledge. How much of a NERD do you want to be? Could MySQL do you more good in the long run than Access? Munich and Norway are going Open Source. Why is that?
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Posted: Sunday September 18th, 2005 10:19 |
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Maybe i should hae put my query into context: I am going to be temping doing admin work for the next year, so i wanted to get my IT skills up to date. I have registered with a few agencies and many companies looking for staff want people with Word, excell and access skills. I knew that access was a type of database program and wanted to know if it was similar to works database, as i am doing a city and guilds in IT and access is what we will be learning. I wanted to know if i could practice those database skills on ANY database. I really am not interested in anything else!! so thanks for all the extra advice, but to be honest it is gobbldygook to me. I really only need to know about access for the purposes of an admin post. It looks as if i will need to buy an access package by itself to practice whatever skills i learn on the course.
But at least some IT nerds got to flex their technical know how and make me look stupid lol  
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Posted: Sunday September 18th, 2005 10:35 |
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| Thank you so very much BlackMatta, this is all i wanted to know!!! So i CAN'T practise my access skills on my works database and will need a seperate package. One question: Do you know why MS didn't include it in their office package when they have excell and powerpoint?
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Posted: Sunday September 18th, 2005 10:46 |
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| your damn right, ch ching! i just checked amazon and it is £200 to buy access by itself!! I better take alot of notes when i get to that part of the course and memorise it because i sure won't be practising at home!!
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Posted: Sunday September 18th, 2005 20:25 |
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Madam Anti-NERD wrote:
| your damn right, ch ching! i just checked amazon and it is £200 to buy access by itself!! |
The book I suggested with MySQL, PHP and Apache for Windows, Linux and Macintosh cost me $35. Point & Click Linux! which comes with one of the best versions of Linux is $30. Is that about 45 pounds in REAL MONEY? So your instructor would be doing his students a big favor by using MySQL. Why don't you suggest it to him?
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| But at least some IT nerds got to flex their technical know how and make me look stupid lol ;)smoking-devil |
Ignorant and stupid are two different things. We all start off ignorant, it is a curable state. I consider reducing ignorance to be a major objective in helping Black people solve their problems globally. Stupidity is a more serious problem. I will try not to waste my time with you in the future.
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Posted: Sunday September 18th, 2005 20:34 |
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| awww i'm sawwy!! i forget how sensitive you nerds can be lol BTW my course tutor is a HER and since the course is already set by City and Guilds, she has no control over its content. And as i have explained, most of the jobs i am looking at require potential staff to have skills in ACCESS.
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Posted: Thursday September 22nd, 2005 11:15 |
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MB There is a cheaper way to understand Access.
I know you wanted to know the difference between Database and Access but you may want to consider buying the 'Microsoft Access Training Twin Pack' CD-Rom, (last known price around £12). It would help you compare the difference between the two plus training you at the same time.
Businesses uses Access as it has more features designed specifically for Companies.
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