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Posted: Thursday November 11th, 2004 14:24 |
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The point made about ‘these are games black women can never play and win. Black women are not white women and the game and rules are not the same and after she has degraded and they have further degraded her, she may just get it.....’ is a very important one.
You only have to look at the demise of Michael “I was the World until I tried to be that which I am not� Jackson. His bizarre behaviour after achieving the accolade of ‘King of Pop’ earned him the tag ‘Wacko Jacko’ and all year round was open season for the media to lampoon him. Basically, the treatment he got over the years would not have been the same for a white man (well one born white at any rate) in his position. There are enough wacky white ‘celebrities’ who get up to all sorts who are looked on with quaint admiration by their establishment, and even under the spotlight of media ridicule and abuse are not subject to the same degree of viciousness. Whereas in the case of a black person they can expect total vilification by that establishment. It doesn’t matter how much that black person take on the ’auspices of ‘whiteness’ or how much they believe themselves to be ‘accepted’ into the fold of white-kingdom-hood (I cite O J Simpson).
When the white establishment is ready they turn on them like a pack of wolves and remind them in no uncertain terms that ‘You are not one of us!’.
So as Serena enjoys the ‘material’ trappings of her ‘success’ and aspire to emulate that which she is not (a white woman) she, it appears, conveniently forgets (as do many so-called ‘Black Success Stories) that from which she came. I mean the ‘source’ which gave her the strength and determination to ‘beat the odds’ i.e. a strong culture, rich in basic values and principles. A culture that does not value a woman simply on the size of her knockers and her willingness to flash them (and her other bits) at every turn. A culture that values dignity and self-respect far much higher.
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Posted: Thursday November 11th, 2004 16:23 |
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As the old saying goes leave something to be desired. The only thing left now would be her money.
To put it bluntly she looks like a neanderthal and she needs breast surgery of some sort.
She is a Grace Jones want to be.
She gives the Black Race A Black Eye.
She Should be on the Flintstones with Wilma & Betty.
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Posted: Thursday November 11th, 2004 16:29 |
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humph
jokes
atleast she is not fat and has muscles sconier
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Posted: Thursday November 11th, 2004 17:11 |
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Silas G Sconiers
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Dear SoooFresh:
If you need to let it out thats alright. If you need to say something vulgar or boorish drop me a line and say what you feel.
Is it that time of the month or just a full moon or both?
Tiff's are 
What is PMS ?
Premenstrual syndrome, or PMS is a combination of distressing physical, emotional, and behavioral changes during the luteal phase of the menstrual cycles. More than 1 woman out of 3 suffers from PMS. PMS could be a debilitating discomfort in some cases, and typically invloves physical symptoms like bloating, headaches, breast tenderness as well as emotional and behavioral changes including fatigue, nervous tension, anxiety, irritability, mood swing, and depression.
There are several types of premenstrual symptoms, each with specific underlying cause. Therefore, there is no single treatment that will correct all types of the symptoms. Nervous tension, mood swing, irritability, anxiety, and insomnia are caused by estrogen stress. Estrogen stress occurs due to the estrogen's stimulation of monomanine oxidase 2 (MAO-2) activity depleting brain dopamine, a neurotransmitter that relaxes nerves, and also by estrogen's inhibition of MAO-1 activity causing excitatory neurotransmitters such as norepinephrine and epinephrine. Monoamine oxidase inhibitors such as Saint John's Wort could help alleviate such symptom.
Progesterone insufficiency is caused by elevated estrogen level, and can lead to inhibition of MAO-2 activity and stimulation of MAO-1 activity, contributing to the depression of the central nervous system (CNS). Depletion of dopamine may cause physical and psychological stresses. Relative abundance of estrogen over progesterone may cause conversion of tryptophan to serotonin, which reduces dopamine and acetylcholine, causing disturbances in memory and movement. Excessive estrogen in the presence of hypoglycemia may cause craving for sweets and food, heart pounding, headache, fatigue, fainting, or dizziness, in which case, eating small meals regularly is recommended. Excessive esterogen may also lead to weight gain, swelling of body extremities, breast tenderness, and abdominal bloating. In some rare occasions, lowered estrogen in comparison to progesterone level may lead to depression, confusion, forgetfulness, and crying. Cramps during menstruation may indicate estrogen insufficiency/progesterone excess, sympathetic nervous system stress, or prostaglandin imbalance. PMS is a highly complex phenomena, and not yet fully understood. Healthy diet, nutritional supplements, exercise, and stress management are the commonly recommended self-help therapeutic options. Phytoestrogenic sources such as dong quai or black cohosh have been recommended for genrations after generations for PMS /relief.
What is Menopause ?
Menopause can simply be defined as the time when menstrual periods completely cease. For most of women, it happens when they reach mid-forties to late fifties. Menopause would naturally occur in about 25% of women by the age of 47, in about 50% by the age of 50, in about 75% by the age of 58. Menopause can be induced artificially by the removing or distroying ovaries at any age. Natural menopause is a gradual process occurring incrementally over a period of time of decrease in the production of progesterone and estrogen, the hormones necessary for signallying the body to prepare for pregnancy. With aging, women's bodies cease to produce these hormones that induce ovulation, release of eggs from the ovaries.
Menopause is a transitional period in women's life, and affects individual women differently. Cease of menstruation is abrupt in some women, while in other cases, mentrual activities taper off over a period of time, which may extend up to 3 years. The age and symptoms of menopause has a strong genetic correlation, and vary among individuals. As a rule of thumb, those who starts menstruation early are more likely to experience menopause earlier.
The major symptoms of menopause include hot flashes, cold flashes, vaginal dryness, changes in mood, and lack of sex drive. Hot flashes are caused by rapid decrease in estrogen level, and an increase of blood flow to chest, back, neck, and face, while vaginal dryness is caused by the thinning of the vaginal wall. Mood change and emotional disturbances may also accompany. About 75% of women undergoing menopause will have hot flashes. Taking black cohosh and dong quai regularly could reduce the incidence and severity of menopause-related hot flashes and other syndromes. It is also recommended for hot flashes to wear loose clothing in layers to facilitate taking off clothes, and to avoid stress as well as hot drinks and spicy foods, which all contribute to the onset of hot flahses. Hormonal therapies (hormone replacement therapy) is used for menopause syndrome, but there is a caution: it raises the likelihood of developing breast and ovarian cancers significantly.
PMS/Menopause Related Resources
National Association for Premenstrual Syndrome
Medical Treatment of PMS
Treatment Strategies for Premenstrual Syndrom
National Women's Health Hotline PMS Access
PMS homeopathic Diet capsules
Premenstrual Syndrome (PMS)
Hormones Trigger PMS Symptoms--But Susceptibility Still a Mystery
Women's Health Concerns
The primary NIH menopause organization: National Institute on Aging
Does menopause affect bladder control?
The latest medical news and information for menopause
The North American Menopause Society
Menopause Neighborhood
The Australasian Menopause Society
The British Menopause Society
American Menopause Foundation
International Menopause Society
Menopause-Treatment: Information about menopause, symptoms, and ...
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Posted: Thursday November 11th, 2004 17:35 |
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@sconier
sooofresh dangling a bag of fresh steriods in front of sconier
"grrrrr you lovely meathead with the moustache
you hunk you
go on take some steriods you filthy sexy animal
gooooo onnnnnnnnn snort the steriod"
sconier on all four barking like a dog gagging for a fix of steriods
LOLLLLLLLLLL
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Posted: Thursday November 11th, 2004 17:37 |
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Posted: Thursday November 11th, 2004 17:41 |
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@Hurricane
after peacemaker made a fool of you, you should really remain quiet.
LOL
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Posted: Thursday November 11th, 2004 17:42 |
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Posted: Thursday November 11th, 2004 20:29 |
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@Soofresh: Kiss my Ass . You too rude, you shouldn't be talking like that to someone who is the same age as your father.
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Posted: Thursday November 11th, 2004 20:32 |
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Hurricane stop lying
my dad is 60 years old
you act way younger.
look at how you behave
either that or you are simply thick.
Cha chattin about same age as my dad.
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Posted: Thursday November 11th, 2004 20:44 |
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Soofresh, I 'm not 60 and I'm no way near
But you talk to Sconiers as if you talking to ur mate
you are taking the piss, which i find annoying
you only 18, do better things with your life you pratt.
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Posted: Thursday November 11th, 2004 20:50 |
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I am sure sconier can handle himself
the thing is "mature" Hurricane
without getting into too much detail.
you are weird
seriously
get help, Haloperidol or Diazapam should do the trick.
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Posted: Thursday November 11th, 2004 21:00 |
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Yes he can handle himself. But you loser should just shut up.
You are so silly, I recommend you see your psychiatrist, you suffering from psychosis.
Your 're the one who needs help, you useless thing.
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Posted: Thursday November 11th, 2004 21:03 |
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| Hurricane/Sooofresh....You both are trying it big time! If you want to continue your war of words you know where to take it!
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Posted: Friday November 12th, 2004 01:47 |
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@Geoff
...Psssttttttttt...
...Geoff...!
...Oi...!
...Geoff...!!!
...Talk to me...
...You're my favourtie internet ass-clown...
*S*
Hmmmmmm...?
***Rubs Chin***
Do you realise that in certain parts of the Caribbean... goat is considered a delicacy...?
Well...
...We have roast goat... stewed goat... curried goat... even that orgasmic delicacy... goat soup...
*S*
Perhap I should actually invite you on holiday to the Caribbean... where you can have as much old goat as you can possibly eat...
*S*
...LOL...
Just make sure you brush your teet' afterwards...
...LOL...
See ya...
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Posted: Friday November 12th, 2004 14:11 |
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Ijexa wrote: @FredBlack
Hmmmmmm...?
Methinks AQ has bailed on you...
***Shakes head***
Placed on the spot... methinks she finds her arguements suddenly lacking in substance and validity...
Encouragements rather than insults would be bettr received! All due respects to FB, I have minimal time to write long arguments to something which I feel is quite simplistic
@Geoff
Hmmmmmm...?
***Strokes chin***
Shouldn't you keep that goat of yours muzzled...?
Serious danger that it may go astray... and bite off a bit more than what you can offer...
Sorry...
***Shakes head***
I meant... a bit more...
***COUGH***
***COUGH***
...than what she can chew...
...LOL...
***Shakes head***
I mean... you know what old goats are like... they'll eat anything...
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...Lawd ah mercy... no more weenie heaven...
So sad...
*S*
...LOL...
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Posted: Friday November 12th, 2004 16:35 |
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@BlackVenus. Greetings sis. You said
"TO THOSE WHO UNDERSTAND, NO EXPLANATION IS NEEDED. TO THOSE WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND, NO EXPLANATION IS POSSIBLEd"
That is not actually correct is it? Perhaps we should shut down schools and instruments of learning, books, media and dare I say Blacknet Village. Learning is life long and ongoing. Professors learn from professors, Great Judges learn from others etc etc.
It amazes me that when a black "celebrity" does something deemed as bad taste or poor judgment that eveyone in the black community has to take sides. Although I agree that any person, famous or not, black or white, should be ashamed of this violation of decency, it should not be ranted on as though this is some type of major crisis.
Life is hard being black Black people act in excactly the same way as any normal group and in fact less so than others try Jews, Asians and whites generally in similar circumstances and hear what black people are in the dock for being normal. Man this is a tough life. Going to bleach my self a la Michael Jackson style because this is a heavy coat to wear. Can't win for being black. Don't act normal, act normal same thing. My lord...
You don't have to be a major celebrity to violate the fundamental and reasonable expectations of your group or people at any level. Let you into a secret. Hey you can be a male student in campus with small numbers of black women and be seen talking to white female student too long or often for their liking[can mean once] and the dogs or war are unleashed with passion. Strange never hear many sisters talking about crisis or taking things out of hand or getting worked up and taking it out of context?
Celeberaties are in the public eye make money from that and hence......are more likely to have their decisions exposed or challenged.
Sis can you identify anyone ranting? The word has a meaning which is precise or simply being used to undermine or dismiss. Similar to your use of the word "crisis". What crisis?. Have you seen a crisis? Again language which is contradictiory and demeaning. Can I be blunt this is typical anti-black double talk on the one hand advancing a principle and contradicting it same speed.
I'm so glad that I have the state of mind and consciousness that I do to know the difference between a true role model and a false prophet. True, Serena, as well as her sis Venus, have made some well deserved accolades because of their achievements in the tennis world, but my God, does Serena really give the "appearance" of what a Queen should be?!
No but that does not negate the right of black people and men in paritcular to feel disappointed when one of our favourite women/girls let the side down. Hey black men even have the right to dream that some sisters could be our queens. Its a male thing..all civilsations have it. A little secret sis. Men decide what women they lust after or fantasise or project onto. Not women. Stange that.
Oh well just have to cancel that trip to the time machine people to transport me back in time to turn up on Mr Richard William's door to explain to him,he has to free up one his daughters. Not fussy his choice. But comply he will. All lost now.
We should all take a look at ourselves and think, am i worthy of being someone who can be looked upon as a role model. If you cannot safely and with conviction say so, stop passing judgment on others and look to criticize your own weaknesses and emphasize your strength.
Well...my that is one hurdle. So what you are saying my sister is if we cannot show our certificates of worthiness we as black people do not have a right, especially men I read in between the lines to criticise when our sweethearts or as we say "du dus" is my romantic mother tongue, is whipping "them out" in that fashion and hung around the necks of ugly white boys....Hey what rights do we have then? Because any contract that gives pure responsiblity and obligations and duties, but no rights aint worth sh*t. Go find a lawyer friend and ask them to explain that to you.
Man, I am leaving this black community. Pure double standards, hypocrisy, inconsistency and bascially anti-black feeling at the core....
Me gone... . Only playing...but now we are on the matter. I am not only a good role model, but super duper role model. Piece of Clarke Kent, mixed up with Shaft, the original[no fakes] and Tom Cruise, Dr Huxtable aka Bill Cosby in the fatherhood stake, but the improved new man anti-sexist, post modern version, Luther King or Malcolm depending on whether you like the vibes smooth or hot. But if you are good I can do both. Luther Van Dross after a couple of splliffs and trained by none other than the main man, and now resident in your great nation, the one and only Shabba Ranks in the sex department.
Can I speak now miss...?
But I know your heart is in the right place, so please extend the same courteosy me in that assumption. To conclude on your interesting quote
"TO THOSE WHO UNDERSTAND, NO EXPLANATION IS NEEDED. TO THOSE WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND, NO EXPLANATION IS POSSIBLE"
FB
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Posted: Friday November 12th, 2004 23:33 |
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Ijexa wrote: @Geoff
...Psssttttttttt...
...Geoff...!
...Oi...!
...Geoff...!!!
...Talk to me...
...You're my favourtie internet ass-clown...
*S*
Hmmmmmm...?
***Rubs Chin***
Do you realise that in certain parts of the Caribbean... goat is considered a delicacy...?
Well...
...We have roast goat... stewed goat... curried goat... even that orgasmic delicacy... goat soup...
*S*
Perhap I should actually invite you on holiday to the Caribbean... where you can have as much old goat as you can possibly eat...
*S*
...LOL...
Just make sure you brush your teet' afterwards...
...LOL...
See ya...
Ijexa
Sorry to say a lot of your Pythonesgue imagery goes right over my head.My loss obviously.......
Sitting in front of your PC you conjure mental images of myself slavering over black females,and then bring goats into that evocation..........
Sure it says more about you,and where you are coming from..... than it says about me ...
*scratches head*
I like curried goat...cannot see any soup making me orgasmic though....my loss obviously.
*ass-clown*......* orgasmic soup*........*goats*.......what an imagination?
From your........... favourtie internet ass-clown...
*spit*
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Posted: Saturday November 13th, 2004 00:09 |
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@Geoff
...LOL...
***Shakes head***
Hmmmmmm...?
I take it that's a no then...
*S*
Ijexa
P.S. Do you have a problem with orifice dribbling...?
***SIGH***
...I guess it must be due to your age...
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Posted: Saturday November 13th, 2004 00:11 |
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Sorry...
***Shakes head***
How's the little niblets...?
Hope they are doing fine...
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Ijexa wrote: @Geoff
...LOL...
***Shakes head***
Hmmmmmm...?
I take it that's a no then...
*S*
Ijexa
P.S. Do you have a problem with orifice dribbling...?
***SIGH***
...I guess it must be due to your age...
*S*
  You make me crease up....dribbling orifices...guffaw guffaw.
*spit*
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Posted: Saturday November 13th, 2004 01:09 |
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@Geoff
***Shakes head***
Not bad... but not very good...
Look...
...In adopting you as my personal internet ass-clown... I expect a bit more of a robust... humorous and witty response...
Hmmmmmmm...?
For example... I was going to couple the "...orifice dribbling..." crack with a reference to your monthly nappy bill...
Anyway...
***Shrugs shoulders***
...The supreme tutelage that I have been giving you is wasted... consider... the reference to goats goes back to our second exchange many moons ago...
***Shakes shoulders***
Like I said... it's wasted...
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Posted: Saturday November 13th, 2004 09:08 |
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Is she desperate or a fashion queen??
She (along with so many other females in the media) are in crisis ... its the same old thing, you show a bit of flesh and keep your fingers crossed that you'll get some attention and a whole new status... its terrible.
Lets face it, talent doesn't seem to be enough and women are still (in this day and age) feeling that they need to show their goods to get places.
Seems like its going to be a LONG time and wait before we move away from this rut... This concept is getting boring. And very predictable.
But its their choice at the end of the day, they're grown women who have that right to do whatever they feel.
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I am not normally given to cutting and pasting my own post, but I have taken the following comments I made on another thread on Alicia Keys, because I think it is just appropriate to Serena:
'Does it always have to come down to this?
No matter how talented, gifted or bright a woman is; no matter how she excels in whatever field of human endeavour; no matter the standard of achievement she sets. It seems that she has not really arrived until she displays/demonstrates her 'sexual attributes'.
Her worth and value seems to have no merit without a sizeable measurement on the 'sexy and sassy' scale!
I can understand the Britney Spears and Kylie Minnogues of this world who need to hide 'lack of talent' behind an 'over-exposure' of feminine charms (well some may call what they have charms). But I despair at the frequency with which more and more of our woman feel the need to 'define' themselves by their sexuality as opposed to their God-given talent.
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Posted: Saturday November 13th, 2004 10:20 |
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@Ijexa
 touche
*smirk* ...*smug grin*..............You dont structure these replies do ya? Remember past exchanges?...in such detail?
You must get out more....
Checkmate ?.....
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Posted: Saturday November 13th, 2004 10:31 |
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Backatya wrote: .
'Does it always have to come down to this?
No matter how talented, gifted or bright a woman is; no matter how she excels in whatever field of human endeavour; no matter the standard of achievement she sets. It seems that she has not really arrived until she displays/demonstrates her 'sexual attributes'.
Her worth and value seems to have no merit without a sizeable measurement on the 'sexy and sassy' scale!
I can understand the Britney Spears and Kylie Minnogues of this world who need to hide 'lack of talent' behind an 'over-exposure' of feminine charms (well some may call what they have charms). But I despair at the frequency with which more and more of our woman feel the need to 'define' themselves by their sexuality as opposed to their God-given talent.
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Backatya: i'm going to have start a Backataya appreciation society today because you're chatting sense to the most high... I'm a red blooded male, but its now going beyond despair, its getting friggin boring and downright insulting to assume that we can be bought off so easily..
You know I made the mistake of flicking onto a music channel the other day, and i caught the latest video of some obsecure girl group.. and what was their hook pray tell.. walking down the street in bikini's and washing a humvee whist gyrating in all sort of stupid ways..and making sexual gestures..all of this to mask the obvious the song was total crap...
You could almost hear the music executive thinking, 'ok guys the song is sh*te so we'll just get the girls to prostrate themselves over an expensive vehicle and hope that hide the fact that they're a no talent bunch of muppets'...the word depair don't do the situation justice...
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Posted: Saturday November 13th, 2004 12:14 |
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@Kunjufu/Backatya
Excellent points. I don't disagree at all....But it has to also be pointed out that this is done (even with those who don't need to do it like Alicia) in the music and entertainment industry because it WORKS! Ask yourselves where are the Aretha Franklins, The Cheryl Lynns, The Vestas, any musical artist in particular female who can sang or blow as we say but the public can't get past the fact that these women have meat on their bones thus redndering them to where are they now status. In many cases, they can't even get a record deal...because of their appearance not because they can't sing. How many times has the appearance of any artists/athlete/entertainer ended up dominating a discussion as opposed to their talent or skills? These executives research market trends, they see who and what the public is checking and buying and if they keep seeing us buy the records of scantily clad girl groups or solo singers with so-so voices, they are going to keep manufacturing them and putting them before the public.. Just a thought.
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Posted: Saturday November 13th, 2004 13:19 |
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@ Ashanti
Please don't take the slipper to me  but I have to disagree with your point about them doing it because it works. I am not saying it doesn't work, just that they do it because it works. I could advocate the same argument in favour of 'pimping' 16 year old girls to middle-aged business men willing to pay £1,000 a time, but I am sure no one would buy the argument then.
Long before this phenomenon of 'taking off cloths and gyrating' became big business in the video world, artists (with real talent) were making and selling records (to great success) purely on the strength on their talent and people's desire to hear that talent.
Also I don't agree with your meat on their bones argument. The artist you mentioned were selling records because of talent and the delight people got from hearing that talent.
The industry (on the back of this 20th century 'celebrity adolation' phenomenon) has driven the new style of 'booty first, talent last (or never)' which appears to sell so many records or gains celebrity status for the 'low-on-values-high-on-greed' new breed of performer.
You don't think the likes of Serena or Alisha would not be vastly successful (from a financial perspective) without sinking to these levels? Did they not achieve the highest acolades for their raw talent, long before anyone outside their closest circles knew how big their nipples were of whether they had a tatoo high up on their inner thigh?
Further more just because something 'works' (I assume by that you mean it makes money) is not a reason to propogate it...unless 'making money is all that matters'. The further we move away from the notion that 'talent gets rewarded because talent is what matters' and more toward the notion of 'showing it off works because sex is what its all about... the more outrageous and extreme things will become.
You don't have to look hard to see how the proliferation of all of 'these things that work' is dominating what used to be known as art and culture. The doctrine of 'if it gets me noticed and makes money' seems to prevail...and instead of condemning or rejecting it, we become so brainwashed to it all that we end up 'rationalising' the act of a woman showing off her breast or letting Heaven knows how many people see what's up her next to nothing skirt...in the name of 'personal choice' and 'financial success'.
So where do we draw the line between what is 'respectable', in 'good taste' or 'a good example to follow' and what is just plain crass and tacky?.......What! There is no line?
I wonder who on here who finds absolutely nothing wrong with, say, what Serena is doing as illustrating in this thread, would be sitting down with their young daughter or niece and saying "Ok Latisha, when you grow up this is how you should behave if you want to make a real success of your life".
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Posted: Saturday November 13th, 2004 14:34 |
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@ Backatya
No slippers from me I promise...maybe a baseball bat, LOL! Just kidding
Yep...that's what I was talking about...the bottom line. In no way was I trying to excuse what we are seeing but offering that up as another reason as to what's going on currently in popular culture. I have a female child...I can't begin to tell you how tough it is to parent with the bombardment of these objectionable images. It's like going through a daily obstacle course... whether we are out shopping for groceries and clothes, out eating, etc.
The record companies are all about selling records period ...if you don't make them money, you get dropped simple. The don't develop artist like they used to which required many things including time...which society seems to be short on. They want instant hits. This industry as well as hollywood is all smoke and mirrors....and if the trend happens to be you just walked off of sunset boulevard (hooking) and the hook look moves records and other products, then there it is. Like you I am baffled as to why Alicia and Serena have taken this route given their massive talent. In Alicia's case I would love to see what her numbers are with her current CD as opposed to the first one "Songs in A Minor", which went through the roof...10 million or more in sales I believe it was...they expect these artists to match or surpass their sales the first time out, which in many cases is not realistic.
I personally live for the day when women (in these industries) are totally appreciated for their skills and not the way they look...but that's just not the way it is. Again, the first question is what does she look like?...not what is she about or does she have the talent? Luther Vandross (love the guy, I'm a huge fan) is very successful, pre and post weight issues, his fan base looks past his appearance...but this isn't the case for a lot of female singers...It's been proven too many times. Yes Aretha was successful but the bigger she got...the sales fell off ...Both Vesta and Cheryl Lynn have spoken about the pressure from executives to lose weight to help move records. ...this happened with them before it got to the point of where the music industry is now.. When they were selling...a gold record (500-thousand copies) was considered a success....now anything less than platnum (1 million in sales) is considered a failure.
Look at the responses about actress Monique in the Big women thread...and we wonder why thick actresses also have a hard time finding work.
Check the comments from Simon on American Idol to the female singers...one could predict word for word, what was going to be said and what was said to the female singers who could sang and especially those who happened to be heavey. If it were about talent, truly about talent, then those women I spoke of and many others like Stephanie Mills would be front and center...but they can't fit in (or probably refuse to) a halter top, daisy dukes and 5 inch hills.
In my opinon, It's just not about Serena or any of these other women who do this...a great number of people are buying into these images. What does this say about those who do?,..that was my point.... and respect to you.
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Posted: Saturday November 13th, 2004 14:46 |
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@Backatya said"I wonder who on here who finds absolutely nothing wrong with, say, what Serena is doing as illustrating in this thread, would be sitting down with their young daughter or niece and saying "Ok Latisha, when you grow up this is how you should behave if you want to make a real success of your life".
But my brother those who eyes to see will see. That is actually what is being said and we can dance around the language and different basis which we use to argue, but the bottom line outcome is exactly that. Not saying that is exaclty Ashanti's angle but if you look at how people respond to these matters in many ways eg it is the right of the individual and not our business as a community etc.
But on another level Ashanti argument highlights another myth of how the system works and unthinking and weak, lacking self confidence black people fall into. As Noam Chomsky says hey man the system works don't knock it and as he said people can use different language to say the same thing.
It is a circular and false argument that says we do it because and becuase we do it. It is nonsense and in fact ideological and about convincing people to think or not to think this is the only way. Those who are tied to the system,whether it is on the streets or those in the system simply defend and rationalise their choices.
Trampling on the interests of anyone outside themselves is simply par for the cause. Cool but we should give these people their proper status in the scale of things.
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Posted: Saturday November 13th, 2004 15:16 |
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| @ Fredblack. I respect your opinion brother, but I honestly believe that you have me pegged wrong. First to say that my "interesting" quote was saying that learning should cease was taking it a bit to the extreme. What I meant was that for some people, they are too thick headed or not open minded enough to understand what someone is trying to say so to continue a conversation with them would be fruitless. Also, I in no way as a female can say what should be a sign of beauty for the black man. I am in no way a card carrying feminist and would in no way say what my brother should like or dislike. I was only stating my opinion on Serena's public appearance like everyone else. If what I said appeared to be double talk, then obviously you may have misunderstood. Again, your opinion is greatly respected and it was not my intention to confuse you or anyone else for that matter.
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Posted: Saturday November 13th, 2004 15:51 |
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@SisterBlackVenus. I am actually being provactive in a playful way and by no means characterising you as a feminist at all. But play aside. I was challeing some of the things you were saying not with a sharp stick but playful jab to make you consider if there was anything in value in what I was saying.
I know what your quote was meant to say. But just suggesting that perhaps it is about learning. But don't get me wrong I have said it plenty times here. It is not that we cannot learn, simply some people have to experience some serious licks or emotional crisis first. So who have time for them good, but I have a bus or plane to catch.
I am not a subscriber my sister to maximum unity or feel that we have to wait until every tongue will tell and every knee shall bow school of thought.
So just being provactive but still raising issues.
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Posted: Wednesday November 17th, 2004 02:14 |
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@AQ
Hmmmmmmm...?
Encouragement...?
***Scratches head***
Surely that should come from within... and as for the insults... believe me... if your responses and ideas placed you in that specially moronic category... I would be the first to commence a verbal kicking the likes of which is rarely seen...
***Shrugs shoulders***
But... surely you don't need to worry about such a scenario...
Hmmmmmmm...?
Or do you...?
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...LOL...
***Shakes head***
You just give my love to the "goat"...
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Posted: Wednesday November 17th, 2004 18:26 |
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@Ijexa. I never took AQ's response in any negative way. My good sistren that. Plus I been following her keep fit regime on the keep thread so have plenty of energy to write long detailed responses...
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Posted: Thursday November 18th, 2004 01:34 |
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@FredBlack
***Shakes head***
Ain't never verbally given AQ the props as sistren that... to be quite honest... is due...
But...
***Shrugs shoulders***
Took it as implicit that she would KNOW...!!!
But going from her postings on this thread...
***Shakes head***
...And ain't saying that there is anything negative therein...
Her initital stance... and responses were completely lacking...
Nuff sistrens on here took a stance against... those who have advocated for... like CeeJay... are welcome to support their stance by posting their knockers on the net...
Lord knows... I'll be the first one to bust a nut over them...
*S*
Sorry... didn't need to go there...
***Shrugs shoulders***
But why not...?
If you support that behaviour... orchastrated... synchronous masterbation WILL... take place...
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@CeeJay @AQ
Bring your sisters... your gyal pickney dem... your cousins... even your grandmuddah dem...
...Especially seeing that I'm a breast man fi real...
*S*
An I can guarantee you that I will shower them with glory...!!!
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Just feel free to post dem boobies...
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P.S. Jesus...
...I can't believe that I'm turning into a real perv...
...Like that wretch Kareem...
:-(
P.P.S.
More breasts...
***Sniffs tears away***
...Pretty...
***Wipes nose***
...Please...
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Posted: Thursday November 18th, 2004 19:05 |
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| Serena Williams looks like a drag queen. She is a Buttaface. That body is slamming but her face kills it. Don't get me wrong though, I would still hit it....lol
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Posted: Monday November 22nd, 2004 17:35 |
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Posted: Sunday February 20th, 2005 20:18 |
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| Tasteless. She is not only guilty of it a lot of celebs are as well as random every day common people on the street. Sexy does not come to mind when I see her. It goes to show that money cannot by you class or fashion sense. EWWW.
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Posted: Wednesday February 23rd, 2005 11:23 |
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I think this is all just a bit b**chy . Serenas an attractive woman and why should she show off her curves . Showing boobs and nipples under a nice dress isnt wrong .
I think she wants to meet a nice fella , and she feels the need to attract one , she obviously thinks by showing her sexy body thios will help matters , and i think she might be right .
Her Sisters very nice to and she dresses in the same way , good on them .
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Posted: Friday February 25th, 2005 00:00 |
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| Oh, yeah I'm sure a lot of very nice men will answer her "desperate skank ad"........ good on them. Seriously though, I used to dress like that..... well, I never showed my nipples, but it hardly bought any nice men my way. Most of these guys were sleazy and even though I may have been a great person inside how I presented myself on the outside drew the wrong element and gave people the wrong impression about who I really was. It all came down to how soon can we bump and grind all of the time while I was looking for a real relationship. When somebody pulled my coat I got mad then I thought about it. I decided to start dressing with more taste . I started attracting nice men for real. I like to look sexy ..but sexy is not synonymous with showing all the intimate parts of yourself to total strangers or people you don't really want to be intimate with who may or may not be deserving to see all your goods. It is about confidence. If a woman truly is confident in her sexuality she will not have to "go all out like that" she knows that less is not more. Confidence and elegance is sexy. Not showing your **** Last edited on Friday February 25th, 2005 00:29 by Caraqueen
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