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Posted: Monday October 27th, 2003 03:32 |
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 Sister Demi, just some clarification. It was a mistake, of typing quickly and confusing 7/11 with 9/11. Just realised the former is a conveinience chain. But the real issue which you highlight so well in not understanding how your nation is often seen is clearly seen in my mother in law's statment:
Fred, that's 9/11....just another one of your insults???? How would your pompous mother in law feel if one of you, or someone else in your family happened to be on one those planes, you wordly idiot. ......
How would I feel you idiot. Do you know how many of my fiends who were killed by you people in Grenda defending their country from US invasion. Many of them our neighbours in this country and long time friends men and women. Girl don't make me talk because you will get me mad in public. By the way I was stopped at the airport with our troops on our way to defend our people in Grenada. You attack one Easter Caribbean country you attack all of us. We were upset that we would not have the chance to get our hands on some of you people and black Americans in particular.
I have friends, and family[many from St Lucia actually] who fought againt you people, and who were arrested and sent home;those who were not killed that is. To think black filth went to poor Caribbean nations and invaded, because our people do not want American back leaders who bleed and kill them on their behalf. Shut up girl. It is about time you folks know what death is about because we and death are old friends.
No nothing like a yank, to start crying when somebody puts blows on them. Can't take it and want people to feel sorry for them. What about Arab children being murdered daily with US equipment and support. Girl don't get me started...
I have a e-mail sent by a sister from Senegal about what the US are doing in their country that is frightening to read.
Why would my mother in law's comment make her pompous? And that goes right to the nub of my response, is that you really haven't got a clue. And you don't want to have a clue, which is your choice. My mother in law just shares the views of many intelligent people, who have been to the US, seen how people operate etc etc. Are all the people in my barber's also pompous. Grow up child...
You should listen, or read the quality press, especially the comments of important American eg Ambassdors, Military people who have been stationed in Europe, who say to a man, that the US better get a grip on how it is represented, and how it represents itself abroad. Are they pompous as well. I have a 20 page special feature on the Americans and its role in the world in a quallity paper, and white folks wrote it. They share similar views about your country.
Now I am talking about the same thing, but more particular how black people from them parts behave, which is a factor or function of the latter. Inseperable.Because if the US wasn't so big and powerful, you all would have so much front and bad manners would you? So as one of my brothers from South Africa use to say, 'you can't like chicken and claim not to like chicken soup'. So when the day comes when a black US solidier is being interrogated by black men elsewhere, don't come with the brother sh*t, because there are plenty who are going to give him more special attention, than the average white white solidier. BELIEVE THAT. Like in Somalia, they gave it to some black N****r solidiers big time. Got students whose family were involved and they are proud of one thing, getting their hands on a 'Yankie N****r' who dare come in their country with violence on the white man's behalf.
No you are not white, but you folks have a very serious problem, in being able to seperate yourself mentally from them. You bark when they say bark, and jump when they say jump, and now you say why am I talking about white people when you repond in very similar ways on similar issues?.
Look at your friend Spice, and how quickly she was to tell us America is the most powerful economy in the world and the rest of the advert for the American way. What are we idiots, to not know that black people do not, and have never got their fare share of that cake. Am I the only one to read the autobiograhy of Reginald Lewis the first African American billionaire, to see how you folks are treated and how twisted many of you are? Cos Lewis was one twisted mother....Black self hate writ large and his contempt for black women. Deep....
And if your friend Spice had an identity as a black woman, and thought crticically like one, she would not come hear pushing that rhetoric, like we don't know how white folks see you and treat you and can prove it objectively, by referering to the statistics in almost any area of US life. What girlfriend, you forget how we got here in this debate, or are you just hysterical and end up where you end up, and then say to me I am obsessed with white people. Rather than saying I have a damn good understanding on how your socieity works and what shapes how you folks flex and profile.
Of course you don't care for the numerous examples I cite, which has given me my view of Americans, and what they do.
I am only being normal is calling it how I see it. If the majority of black Americans were positive and admirable, I would say so. The only places where I have seen that are amongst concious radical black people, of which you are not one......So I don't think it right you should benefit from those type of people credibitily, status and proven commitment to their race..As many of them would have more in common with me, than they would do with you, despite being born and raised in America. Some black folks will go to jail first than go abroad and kill other black people. That is the kind of black American a man respects.
This has nothing to do with facts, because it is quite clear any facts relating to your country, and why reasonable people should come to reasonable conclusions about you are very hurtful. You want us to see you as an individual when it suits, and as an American equally when it suits, of course in a conveinient manner to reduce any discomfort.
We know what that's about.....Good evening...
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Posted: Monday October 27th, 2003 05:08 |
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Fredblack wrote:
Spice. Me with a white woman. Not this brother that was a hypotetical sceneario. By the way the majority of black people in the world are poor, especially the US my sister. In fact you have the type of poverty we have never seen or know because we are an agricultral based society. So our folks ain't hungry or sleeping on the streets, or cracked out like people in the US.
Well I must have hit a nerve, and I will have you know that I or no one I know, have ever slept in the streets or missed a meal. Hell you can get an education and food here when you can't get anything else.
But you seem surprised, that even in poor countries they would have an educated or professional or land/business commercial middle class. And you come from a large nation? Sister the CAribbean middle class probably have better quality of lives than you guys.
SORRY BUT I SERIOUSLY DOUBT THAT. U.S. is one of the richest and most enterprising nations in the world and that is way so many foreigners seek to get in.
Spice, the above comment is very ignorant and typical of the way some of you Americans think. Have you ever been to the Caribbean and travelled the regions extensively?
No I not extensively but I was in St. Martin for a 5 day vacation a couple of years ago. First of all since I am so wrong about the financial state of black Caribbeans, why don't I hear more about the black elite there instead of hearing only about meanual workers. There is no need for anyone to take offense because being poor is not a sin.
 Spice, think about it, since when did the media ever portray black people in a positive light. Even here in the UK, when Afro-Americans are portrayed in films et al it is usually gang-relations, pimps, prostitution, drug trafficking and all things negative! God bless the times when we see black people on the whole in a positive light.
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Posted: Monday October 27th, 2003 05:11 |
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AQ, Locsgirl. Who say god is not great. Was having a debate with Spice girl who was suggesting that I was mispresenting the average white male/black woman relationship from my experience. Lo and behold who should post but somebody by the name of White Honkie to illustrate my point. OK coincidence?
Then lo and behold, who should pop up in another section ,but a deranged and mad person spitting fire to rebutt Spice. Boy look at Black Power, just conjuring up juju and waking up Zombies, to make a guess star appearance at he right time; before being quickly dragged off. What did the great blues legend Johnny Lee Hooker say: 'Got my mojo working'......
AQ what did you say, wonder if Fred is going to reply. You sister are troublesome Caribbean woman[as if your kind] because you know the answer to that...... 
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Posted: Monday October 27th, 2003 05:15 |
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 When I use to post on a particular black messageboard, too many AA's were so quick to jump down my throat and 'prove' how they were so much better than myself simply because they were Americans. As far as they were concerned, as a Brit, I had no right to tell them anything on Black history, music, politics etc.
It's a damn shame that they walk around putting on airs with their imperial mentality considering ole Uncle Sam doesn't even give a f*ck about their existence or view them as fellow countrymen.
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Posted: Monday October 27th, 2003 05:20 |
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FB wrote: Some black folks will go to jail first than go abroad and kill other black people. That is the kind of black American a man respects.
Which is why I respect Ali when he refused to fight in Vietnam citing these words "No Asian ever called me N****r" and words to the effect of "Why should I fight for a Government who deny me my basic rights as a human being?"
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Posted: Monday October 27th, 2003 20:41 |
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@ Fredblack.....
why are you so longwinded? as usual, you seem to go off on one of your 'white man' spasms and miss the whole point completely............
It's obvious that no one will ever be able to get through that thick, big head of yours.....as it is consumed with too much hatred.
I am hopeful that you do not consider yourself to be a leader of any sort, because the fate of unity of black men and women around the world would be a lost cause with that loser mentality you just displayed.
You seem to be a wealth of information, for which I am grateful. But your attitude is..
1. POMPOUS
2. ARROGANT
3. PESSIMISTIC
4. OPPRESSIVE
5. NARROW-MINDED
6. BIGGOTED
sweetie, it's not the what you're saying that bothers me, so much as your choice of words. Your choice of words........gave away your REAL thoughts of hatred for black (nevermind white) americans. Im surprised when you say that you have any black friends in America.....are you SURE about that?
Anyway, I guess we just agree to disagree. PERIOD.
just one piece of advice though....if you can actually consume at least one tidbit of information that can penetrate that 'know it all' brain of yours...........try concentrating more on the healing and unity of us worldwide rather than on the personal vendetta you have against blacks in america. Your hatred is like venom, it seeps through the words you type and poisons us all.
does anyone have a cure for this?????
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Posted: Monday October 27th, 2003 21:00 |
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Prince Hakeem wrote:
When I use to post on a particular black messageboard, too many AA's were so quick to jump down my throat and 'prove' how they were so much better than myself simply because they were Americans. As far as they were concerned, as a Brit, I had no right to tell them anything on Black history, music, politics etc.
It's a damn shame that they walk around putting on airs with their imperial mentality considering ole Uncle Sam doesn't even give a f*ck about their existence or view them as fellow countrymen.
Prince Hakeem, I don't know if you were referring to me or not, but I wanted to clarify that when I posted to Fredblack, it certainly was'nt out of arrogance or thinking Im better because I happen to be african american. On the contrary, I am in awe and admiration for other blacks in the UK, Carribean, and Africa. I have a thirst to know more. and of course, naturally a love for you all because we are one race. really. I hope you, in particular, did not take offense to my post because I want to know what you have to tell me about black history, music, politics....
My response to Fredblack was due to his "airs", hatefulness, and continuous disrespectful words in reference to black americans.
In reference to this thread, I want to 'come back to black men'..........and that includes Black Men ALL OVER THE GLOBE.
oh and Prince Hakeem,
I like the picture of the Man holding the camera, everytime I see it I think about all kinds of wild stuff that I would not dare mention here, would'nt want anyone to get offended and start accusing me of unladylike behavior because Im african american and all, so I'll leave it alone.
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Posted: Monday October 27th, 2003 21:05 |
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Posted: Monday October 27th, 2003 22:30 |
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@ Fredblack.....
why are you so longwinded? as usual, you seem to go off on one of your 'white man' spasms and miss the whole point completely............
It's obvious that no one will ever be able to get through that thick, big head of yours.....as it is consumed with too much hatred.
I am hopeful that you do not consider yourself to be a leader of any sort, because the fate of unity of black men and women around the world would be a lost cause with that loser mentality you just displayed.
You seem to be a wealth of information, for which I am grateful. But your attitude is..
1. POMPOUS
2. ARROGANT
3. PESSIMISTIC
4. OPPRESSIVE
5. NARROW-MINDED
6. BIGGOTED
sweetie, it's not the what you're saying that bothers me, so much as your choice of words. Your choice of words........gave away your REAL thoughts of hatred for black (nevermind white) americans. Im surprised when you say that you have any black friends in America.....are you SURE about that?
Anyway, I guess we just agree to disagree. PERIOD.
just one piece of advice though....if you can actually consume at least one tidbit of information that can penetrate that 'know it all' brain of yours...........try concentrating more on the healing and unity of us worldwide rather than on the personal vendetta you have against blacks in america. Your hatred is like venom, it seeps through the words you type and poisons us all.
does anyone have a cure for this?????
Does anybody care for this? This of course assumes dear friend, people reading actually agree with your conclusions and the facts you rely on to come to them. I note again, you are unable to answer straight forward and simply put questions. You want sympathy for 9/11, but you are silent when black people carry out attrocities in US name against other black people, or murder Palestinian children daily, or the CIA including black Americans pouring guns into Jamaica to arm Seaga supporters and creating a gang of murderous thugs, called the Yardies, who systematically murdered poor people and created a reign of terror which has transformed parts of the island.
The US destroyed Haiti and turned into a killing feilds and has tried its best to destroy Cuba, a country I have family in.
In short your country, has tried to destroty the CAribbean period and my people. It is only right and proper and expected that I have a healthy hostility to your nation. A matter of honour and principle and I am proud of it. Therefore I will oppose you with argument, or with gun, take your choice.
What do you say to these dead people. Call them 'haters', fool. What do you say to teenage Grenadian children having advance US bombs dropping on their villages, homes and farms, or kids losing their lives manning anti air craft batteries to keep out the invader?. There are many people in this world who have every right to have hatred towards the US, because that is not abnormal behaviour under the circumstances. What are black people expected to be lesser people, and somehow view our loss in different and superior terms, something you folks are great examples of right.
Last week the US army concluded an internal enquiry over 30 years old, of specific regiments who murdered and tortured old people and children who were not combatants, and cut their ears off and wore them in necklaces to show their bravado. The inquiry heard some solidiers had hundreds of people's ears and some even human heads and trophies. Do you think those Vietemese, who lost their children or family in this manner, would not like the opportunity for justice to be done. No action was taken by the Pentagon on the Report.
Anybody who criticises the US eg my mother in law is seen as pompouos. Pompous my dear is the incorrect word you are looking for, but your meaning is taken. You have a problem with words. Oh you don't, or can't disagree with my facts, but the words upset you? What planet do you live on, because where I come from, you harm one of mine, then you are asking to be hurt. That is how we run it. The British police, seriously beat up some of us, we organise and beat some of them, PROPER and that extends to includes those who defend wickness and injustice like you. But then we are Caribbean people, with a different cultural mentality, which is why the white man feared us, more than you. Read Professor John H Clarke, just in case you think I am lying.
You are a basic hypocrite, and that is clear for all to see. Call me all the names you might, and no doubt you have more. Abuse and hysteria is no doubt you strong area. But be very aware, there are many thinking black people who share similar views. So that is a lot 'haters' to use your terminology.
But while noting your comments, please note this. I am glad you see unity as an important goal as I do. But the difference is this, your immaturity and blatant hypocrisy and how you conceive unity is naievete. Don't talk about it and it will go away, if it makes you feel better. Ain't goint to fly. Take it from someone with a bit more experience in these practical matters than yourself.
If you believe that unity is not based on core and fundamental principles of accepted group behaviour, including honesty, then you are bigger fool than I thought. Tell me, have you ever heard of an African-American called Malcolm X, and his views on the principles of black unity, to come here and dare mention black unity while conducting yourself in a manner which any fool, can see you don't have a clue. As Churhill once said, 'if you want peace, prepare for war' because that is the only way true peace is gained. Peace for peace sake is a fantasy. Unless a man or nation is prepared to come clean, then war is what they are looking.
To be a member of any group takes more than your skin colour dearest, and things like culture and cultural values/priorities and committments, come into it big time. Just being black my dear, is no basis for sh*t. So if you think just because your skin colour is similar to mine, that that accounts for a tin of beans. In South Africa blacks did much of the killing and dirt for the white regime. So we a bit deeper than that around here.
Black Americans, killing other black people on the behest of whites, my dear is something that is not going to warm black people world wide, to individuals such as yourself, who are apologist for what the US does to other black people outside its borders. I don't care if its your family, or friends. African Americans offending people with their glaring, and offensive ignorance is another thing, which is clearly going to upset the party, because Africans and West Indians are not your children. Any unity based on not addressing the fundamentals my dear is fantasy, which in no doubt will be very reassuring to you, as that is the world you live in.
Go and find children to preach your version of unity to. Because as a grown man, who has sat round tables with serious men to discuss serious business, if you think your people murdered or disrepected some of another group and think somehow if you don't deal with that, [one way or another], that your meeting is going to end up peacefully, or without security being called, you fooling yourself, because the people who have influence in this world are not little naievete African-American girls. People who cause harm have to be held to account and those are the rules grasshopper.
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Posted: Monday October 27th, 2003 23:46 |
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Demi:
 ....Hey baby don't let these British-West Indian negros scare you!
If you want my help just ask for it.
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Posted: Tuesday October 28th, 2003 01:35 |
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Does anybody care for this? This of course assumes dear friend, people reading actually agree with your conclusions and the facts you rely on to come to them. I note again, you are unable to answer straight forward and simply put questions.
aaaand, exactly WHAT QUESTION did you ask?? please, if I somehow missed it earlier, let me know.
You want sympathy for 9/11, but you are silent when black people carry out attrocities in US name against other black people, or murder Palestinian children daily, or the CIA including black Americans pouring guns into Jamaica to arm Seaga supporters and creating a gang of murderous thugs, called the Yardies, who systematically murdered poor people and created a reign of terror which has transformed parts of the island.
who asked for sympathy? however, anyone who would applaud/praise something so vile and disgusting lacks basic human decency. Americans were not the only ones killed in that tragedy. I recall you saying that you frequently cross the Atlantic, what if it had been your raggedy a** on the plane...or your wife...or your POMPOUS, yes POMPOUS mother in law? what would you say then? that you hate america. then that would make you the HYPOCRITE my dear, because if you hate it so damn much, why the hell would you bring your arse over here?
The US destroyed Haiti and turned into a killing feilds and has tried its best to destroy Cuba, a country I have family in.
In short your country, has tried to destroty the CAribbean period and my people. It is only right and proper and expected that I have a healthy hostility to your nation. A matter of honour and principle and I am proud of it. Therefore I will oppose you with argument, or with gun, take your choice.
hey yall...did he just THREATEN me ( a woman) with a gun?.....LOSER. and a sore one at that.
What do you say to these dead people. Call them 'haters', fool.
umm, I never said haters, I think you are referring to spice.
What do you say to teenage Grenadian children having advance US bombs dropping on their villages, homes and farms, or kids losing their lives manning anti air craft batteries to keep out the invader?. There are many people in this world who have every right to have hatred towards the US, because that is not abnormal behaviour under the circumstances. What are black people expected to be lesser people, and somehow view our loss in different and superior terms, something you folks are great examples of right.
YOU CANNOT RIGHTLY HATE A WHOLE COUNTRY.
Last week the US army concluded an internal enquiry over 30 years old, of specific regiments who murdered and tortured old people and children who were not combatants, and cut their ears off and wore them in necklaces to show their bravado. The inquiry heard some solidiers had hundreds of people's ears and some even human heads and trophies. Do you think those Vietemese, who lost their children or family in this manner, would not like the opportunity for justice to be done. No action was taken by the Pentagon on the Report.
YOU CANNOT JUSTLY HATE A WHOLE COUNTRY.
Anybody who criticises the US eg my mother in law is seen as pompouos. Pompous my dear is the incorrect word you are looking for, but your meaning is taken. You have a problem with words. Oh you don't, or can't disagree with my facts, but the words upset you? What planet do you live on, because where I come from, you harm one of mine, then you are asking to be hurt. That is how we run it. The British police, seriously beat up some of us, we organise and beat some of them, PROPER and that extends to includes those who defend wickness and injustice like you. But then we are Caribbean people, with a different cultural mentality, which is why the white man feared us, more than you. Read Professor John H Clarke, just in case you think I am lying.
okay, NOW I have a problem with words...........whatever.
BTW, if our cultures are so different, why are carribean/african people serving in the U.S. army right along with african american men? why are you living in the UK and not in the caribbean? does that make them traitors? are you a traitor?
You are a basic hypocrite, and that is clear for all to see. Call me all the names you might, and no doubt you have more. Abuse and hysteria is no doubt you strong area. But be very aware, there are many thinking black people who share similar views. So that is a lot 'haters' to use your terminology.
dammit, pay attention. I never used the word haters. that was Spice. You see what I mean about not being able to learn or absorb anything. Because you think you know EVERYTHING already.
But while noting your comments, please note this. I am glad you see unity as an important goal as I do. But the difference is this, your immaturity and blatant hypocrisy and how you conceive unity is naievete. Don't talk about it and it will go away, if it makes you feel better. Ain't goint to fly. Take it from someone with a bit more experience in these practical matters than yourself.
you're a lost cause. would someone please tell Fredblack what I meant. so he can shut up already.
To be a member of any group takes more than your skin colour dearest, and things like culture and cultural values/priorities and committments, come into it big time. Just being black my dear, is no basis for sh*t. So if you think just because your skin colour is similar to mine, that that accounts for a tin of beans. In South Africa blacks did much of the killing and dirt for the white regime. So we a bit deeper than that around here.
Im not asking to be a 'member' or yours or anyone elses "group". I was born black, and that's something that as much as you want to deny it, can never change. frankly, I don't care what that accounts for to you.
Go and find children to preach your version of unity to. Because as a grown man, who has sat round tables with serious men to discuss serious business, if you think your people murdered or disrepected some of another group and think somehow if you don't deal with that, [one way or another], that your meeting is going to end up peacefully, or without security being called, you fooling yourself, because the people who have influence in this world are not little naievete African-American girls. People who cause harm have to be held to account and those are the rules grasshopper.
You call yourself a man??!! a man that threatens women on the internet with guns? I can just imagine what kind of "serious" men you were sitting at the round table discussing...LOL..."serious" business. How about you take YOUR hostilities and hysterics to the political decisionmakers..and not average people in the U.S., women, children, to include (in your words) dikes. but Im sure you could'nt do that...could you??......punk.
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Posted: Tuesday October 28th, 2003 01:49 |
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How do you plan on helping her now
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Posted: Tuesday October 28th, 2003 01:55 |
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 ....DAMN!!!!!!
Don't look like she really NEEDS any help.
I wasn't really following the argument closely so I'll have to re-read a few posts.
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Posted: Tuesday October 28th, 2003 02:00 |
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....Hey baby don't let these British-West Indian negros scare you!
If you want my help just ask for it.
Hey Kareem, I was going to tell you that Fredblack appears to be more comfortable threatening women over the internet with guns more his speed.....so I could handle it. But frankly, Im sick of telling his hard head the same things over and over again.....it's getting boring.
YOU CAN HAVE HIM!!!!!
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Posted: Tuesday October 28th, 2003 02:28 |
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...Yoooowwwzaaaa!
This argument was a little more serious than I thought.
Let me just say.......
Fredblack:
I don't wanna drag this out or be-labor the same old argument but I've told you time and time again that we as AfroAmericans have very little if ANY control over what our government does with it's military.
Thousands of BLACK AMERICANS have been murdered and imprisoned by the U.S. government and it's Military-National Guard, look at the recent and past riots, so how much control do you think we have in preventing others in the Caribbean, Iraqi, Africa or anywhere else from getting killed.
Did you see all of those anti-war rallies held all over the country for months following the Iraqi War?
What good did it do, the leaders of this country continued to carry out their agenda which they have always done.
What do YOU suggest AfroAmericans do as a people in our current situation, seriously?
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Posted: Tuesday October 28th, 2003 03:37 |
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My friend Demi Defending US Democracy and Home and Abroad....
I suggest you follow the argument dear friend because you will burn yourself out, with your hysterics. How did we get to this stage or point. When in fact, you jumped into a chat between me and Mafdet with your arrogant abuse,cos nobody was speaking to you. So if you thus decide that is how you want to enter, please have the decency to follow the arguement, before.
1. It would actually make little difference if my family or friends were on the plane, or if my friends or family were in the US army. The facts remain my dear that your loss is no greater than anyone elses. The fact my friends or family suffer does not negate the suffering of others.
Get with it,many innocent people get hurt every day for no choice or fault of their own and it happens to all of us and does not however negate the bigger issue in question.
My sister almost lost her life in an IRA bomb, does not mean they had a right to act in that manner. Only glad my sister did not get hurt. I have been numerous close bomb scares, but has never changed the principles involved. You seem to have a problem of understanding fundamental points. Sorry when you have sympathy for innocent people elswhere I will feel the same human compassion for your loss. Simple. All your hysterics on the point does not progress the point. You sound like a typical Yankie post 9/11 advert againt what happen. Lady we are from Europe and have far more experince than you in these affairs and plenty of time to have worked out the moral issues in question. You sound like your still in tramau. I am sorry people get hurt and kill every day which you folks may not realise. Get over it....
2 Excuse me don't put words into my mouth and then argue with your own words. My position is clear, you are the one who ignorantly calls it would appear anyone who criticises US behaviour a hater, or jealous. Not me. Taking your own language, my view is this. People have every justifiable reason if they want to hate the US, or anyone else who has treated them in that manner. Listen, it is not in your gift to allocate how people feel. Get with the programme. How do you think you are. People will decide how they feel based on their own reasoning, not you who is supporting the crime. Now if your a pacificist, then stop here because you don't clearly understand world poltics and power and let someone else jump in. But this is real life my friend.
I have a healthy hostility to those who promote US arrogance and if necessary see it right and justifiable to oppose it by any means necessary. I have no appologies to give. Please don't put words in my mouth, because you fail to remember Kunju asking you why does somebody rightly criticising US behaviour constitute hating. Now you want to say I hate people when I have made it clear what my view is.
The fact you are a woman is neither here or there to me. The principle stands. No one is threatening you so stop acting like the hysterical girl ,but the principle stands if you support or contribute to injustice or wickedness to people, don't come and say don't kill or hurt me, I am only a police woman, or woman solidier. The fact you are a woman will not stop so called Islamic terrorist killing you without blinking, because who is showing such restraint to their wives and mothers. So stop acting the fool, as if your sex saves you from anything, if you support or actively engage in wickedness. You can't have it both ways lady. You damn fast to want to wrap your black arse up in the yankie flaga and when you find out how it seen in too many parts of the world you start to scream rape and blue murder, when you realise people will dust you out for less. What now you are a defenseless and mouthless woman? Dare I say even a victim.
Now if you say not all American support such behaviour which is basic common sense, would you not think, then say so. Because I know not all African Americans are daft like you and don't need you to tell me that. Even for you to suggest such a thing shows your limited abilty to read or make sense from information given to you. But there are far too many like you and that is a fact. In fact you said how could I get on with another American poster and not like Americans. As I said you, do the math because you are making the claim idiot not me. You have to make your case, its not my job. I know how to make a case...
Not all African Americans are like you, with arrogance to jump into something you clearly do not understand, and start thrashing around. Follow the evolution of this debate and you will find out where you are and why acting like a fool will not help you.
At one point you are the voice of America, and when the heat is too much, you claim that I cannot blame a whole nation. Who is blaming a whole nation fool?. But you sound like a yankie to me, and act how an yankie acts, and therefore.... No you cannot blame innocent for the acts of the guilty but would you stand and condemn your friends and family who are guilty and responsible?. So we can save the innocents from things they have no party to Like F**K you will. Don't blame us cool, so who should we blame then?
You need to carefully follow argument to realise what is going on. I said it from day one, how white America represents itself, and black respond accordingly, which is directly related for most part, not in the case of those who are critical and concious and see through that rubbish. For example Kareem wouldn't argue some of the rubbish you have, because he is more knowledgable and brighter and a more skilled debater.
You, I said do not seem to be in that category of concious people, to now come with your foolish remarks-all African Americans really, but as they say whatever gets you through the night.....
The dominant imgage of black American ain't that good and you simply reinforce that, with your behaviour, which forced Kunjufu to question you. Well if nobody can criticise your beloved country, without some irrational and hysterical response, [no different than what most white folks would come out with I need to add], what does one conclude? 'Hater', 'jealous of America'. Girl you crazy?
So if that is your mentality, which you bring to the party no wonder you find yourself in your predicament. For example if Mafdet and I said we don' t really like the US, you could say, have you been here, or there, which is rational and intelligent, or have we been to the US country side. But that is not your response. Your response is hysterical, as your arguments or lack of.
I can talk about the US how I like lady, without expecting any intelligent person acting irrationally. Anyone so committed my dear, is not showing that intelligent and informed debate is their forte...
Again, you are giving us a prime performance of the dumb yank in the corner. You talk about unity. I have made it clear skin colour is an insufficient basis for unity. Do I assume you are black, you will not steal from me, or send Condolesa Rice to fool me, or send your family to kill my children, or trick me out of my land?. But it is good enough for you because you want a ask no question tell no lies kinda unity. The only people who are going to want that are people from the US trust me...because there is alot of tricky and delicate stuff people like you would prefer not to come up.
I am not asking you to be a member of anything, so grow up and deal with the issue. Unless there is fundamental princples about how black people, from whatever tribe, or section of our race abide by, there can be no unity. Saying you are black means what? Nothing absolutely nothing and I outlined why. If you have black people like your friends and family in the US killing black people, or behaving in ways which are unacceptable to others, there will be no unity.
If you think because you are from the US and anybody criticises it would warrant such hyterical behaviour there will be no unity, or there will with people like you excluded. Simple ,your colour don't mean sh*t because it takes more than simply an accident or birth, with no proven commitments or loyalties to think people other than fools going to turn their backs on people like you..Hey I am up front about my beliefs, and most my people can sleep safely knowing who is in their company.
Push come to shove you want your family and friends in the US army, to come home safely, even if it means killing mine. We understand each other.....But do not kid yourself as hysterical as you want to behave, you will never gain support or sorry to use the inccorrect term 'win' amongst intelligent people in that manner. Not on this Forum dear. Personaling matters actually makes it easier to not deal with things put squarely at your feet.
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Posted: Tuesday October 28th, 2003 03:42 |
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Kareem you been slighting me bro. Nah. Listen homes. I will take that issue with you because me and you been over the ground. But this debate is of lesser quality and hysteric in character, I don't want to divert the argument by reasoning with you right now, but if you want to take any serious points, I will answer.
This sister lacks integrity and initiates hysteria and jumps irrationally around the place so I don't want you to come in and make her nonsense viable. She stands or falls by where she has started from. See you soon to answer the question you posed. Tap me on the shoulder if I leave it too long.
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Posted: Tuesday October 28th, 2003 03:47 |
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Fredblack:
 I'm glad to see you're still posting.
...cuz that means you ain't somewhere on a plane on your way overhere!
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Posted: Tuesday October 28th, 2003 05:14 |
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Sorry Demi, I made a note to respond to this and missed it. I am not someone who avoids serious and substantive points of argument. You said:
'BTW, if our cultures are so different, why are carribean/african people serving in the U.S. army right along with african american men? why are you living in the UK and not in the caribbean? does that make them traitors? are you a traitor?'
Caribbean people living in America for the most part are immigrants, a section of whom will conform to all the negative aspects of US dominant culture, including idiotic and uncritical hostility and prejudice to indigenous African Americans, if you want to know the truth. While others are far more critical and circumspect about what they take on, or involve themselves in. Some are in the States for education and money others for life.
For those from Caribbean backgrounds, who participates in said acts of violence and killing of other black people abroad, my view is no different if not actually worse. Because even though, one can understand, not agree but understand why someone who has no home outside the US | | | |
