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Posted: Friday August 29th, 2003 23:00 |
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Or should I say "Your Highness"
I never said Black men were evil.Maybe you should chill out and listen to what you;re reading before you go jumping in with your paranoia.My son is Black and he is certainly not evil, but he;s not proud either of the way he sees other black men treating their women.I am entitled to my opinion and that is surely the point of this forum is it not?
Why don't YOU "listen" to what you're reading and take a look at your post again. Your whole post reeks of bitterness and attitude on how bad black males are. I'm not paranoid at all I just call it how I see it. Maybe if you paid more attention to what you type (as well as your lack of correct punctuation usage) you'd see it how others see it too.
And yes, since this is a forum I'm entitled to challenge your opinion am I not? That's the whole idea of a DEBATE in case you didn't know.
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Posted: Saturday August 30th, 2003 01:57 |
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@ locsgirl I respect the fact that you have had a devasting experience with some of your X partners and in some ways I feel sorry for you. What I refuse to believe is that you truly wanted to be with a Blackman long term. I believe you went in to your relationships with one thing in your mind and that was to justy to yourself your need or want to be with a white man, i realy don't mean it in the negative sense but in reality if you wanted a real loving relationship with a blackman then you would find one.
P.S. I would love to know how you meet these blackmen...... and please dont say night clubs.
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Posted: Saturday August 30th, 2003 08:04 |
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@ Locsgirl
Come on now you know when you used that term BREED that's not what you really meant quoting from the dictionary.......go on admitt it I guess you used it in the same way it is used to degrade men because they or their behaviour disgust you and this term is often used in the same sense as when a women refers to a man as a dog....hence the reason I brought up dog mentality. But if you rrrrreeeeaaaallllly meant it as producing within a species then ooookkkkkkiiiii ddddoooookkkkkiiiiiii I believe you subject matter dropped.
@Kareem
Good points you made......I agree rappers acting like animals, trying to rap with course deep tones when that is not their natural tone someone who naturally had a deep base tone that they try to copy was Barry White (may he rest in peace). Rappers are hunching around walking with their hands swinging by their sides like monkeys not rapping but grunting on the stage acting like animals females rappers like lil kim acting like whores such a destruction to what was a fine art.
The job of "educating" the youth I THOUGHT belonged to the teachers and public educational system but since NEITHER are properly doing their jobs it seem like athletes and entertainers are doing a better job so since they DO have so much influence then we must hold THEM accountable for their influence. That's why clowns like 50 Sux and JaFule should be sat down, given an ultimatum, and DEALT with accordingly based on the decision they make.
I couldn't agree with you more Kareem, but you know what when I say this to youths of today who are into Hip Hop and Rap imitating this thug life mentality they say I don't understand Hip Hop/Rap it's their life and ain't nothing wrong with it.........please you can still love hip hop and have the sense to sort the cr*p out from the good.
The other day I had a conversation with a up and coming rapper who has just signed a deal we were talking away about his style etc and I asked him one question are you better than eminem (cos the fool at the time was playing in the background on the radio) and this rappers went dumb on me. When I pushed him for an answer he started to give me many reasons in his view why eminem is the best.....you know what I told him he needs to have a back up career move because he will get eaten up in the industry if he ain't got no self worth. Then I told him to take his grubby hands of my old skool rap records because he is not worthy.
Now as for Kunjufu listening to 50 worthless cents, I noticed that too  but didn't say anything because I don't know what kind of threat he was under at the time when this crime occurred.
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Posted: Saturday August 30th, 2003 23:42 |
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| Mandeft if you can look beyond some rappers mysgionitic lyrics you will see the depth of hip hop. I encourage you to listen to a rapper like Nas who talks about everything from slavery to politicss to street life. Take hip hop in a positive sense it inspires youngsters to believe they can amount to something from nothing ie.50 cent. I undertand your anger as a woman about Hip hop but if you really see what it is a form of expression wether it be raw or polished in a way it is poetry. Take 2pac he told it how it is hip hop is a tool for black people to express themselves because they have no political power encourage it dont try to destroy it.
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Posted: Sunday August 31st, 2003 01:49 |
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So Mantings
You believe that if someone really wants a truly loving relationship with someone they will find it? Really I beg to differ and to me that sounds like Pollyanna style idealism.Look around you, I;m sure you must know people personally who are good sincere people but still have not found what they;re looking for.The whole planet is full of Good people who seriously do want long term relationship but dont find the right person.My waiting room is Full of these people!
And as you dont know me I dont think you;re qualified to say what my intentions are.I;ve Always dated black men, had my children with Black men so you could say I had every intention of staying with that Black man Black father for the benefit of my whole family.At no time was I secretly pining for a white man. I think I know myself better than you could possibly imagine. If I was you I;d leave the psychoanalysis to the professionals!
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Posted: Sunday August 31st, 2003 01:52 |
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Mantings
One last point. I Never go to nightclubs.
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Posted: Sunday August 31st, 2003 06:08 |
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@ youngconciousblackmind
Come on now please don't insult my intelligence read all of my post in this thread and you will see that I mentioned Common and Mos Def as positive rappers.
Please if your mis-spelling of my name was dilberate (which I believe so) then young - you most certainly are, concious - if you was you wouldn't have written such a post addressed to me you would be at a level where you digest things appropriately, black well to some its just a hip thing to be or pretend to be at present mind- its a beautiful thing try using your wisely.
One more thing don't patronise me by saying as a women I qualify to be angry with hip hop. If this was the case my next question to you would be why would you promote something that purposely sets out to anger women....if this was true then I take it you wasn't born from a mother.......have no female relatives... if so then you must be a miricle child. But I doubt this is not the case. FYI I love hip hop and rap I love it so much that I get disgusted when negative destroying rappers get pushed forward in the media for hidden agenda purposes.
Once again I have to say people should stop being personal and start being logical when it comes to the advancement of our race......once our race has hit the heights that it once was then we can get personal in defending it and keeping it there. Defending and protecting such garbage means you end up smelling of it too and infected by it like dirty germs. You was too personal wrongly addressing me as if I was attacking all of hip hop, which means so much to you, that's why you didn't grasp any of my post at all.
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I am not attacking all of hip hop and its artist I am attacking those that in my opinion bring it down and take away from the fine art it is, while at the same time degrading/negatively influencing our race whilst doing so. Would it have made certain poster more comfortable if I had mentioned RnB or Ragga artist.......if your answer is "YES" then see we are back on the personal trip again.
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Posted: Sunday August 31st, 2003 08:01 |
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| Mafdet this a forum for constructive debate not for a personal attack. I do not condon the way you broke my username down and tried to disrespect me. I was delievering to you what i felt is the essence of hip hop and how rappers such as 2pac to who your arguments over the bad image of hip hop can be leved at are more than about talking about 'b**ches.' What I am delievering to you is someties you have to accepet a person for who they are and look beyond that and see what they are delievering. If you take an ingrident away from a persons character they may not be the same ie. agression in many humans. As for women i respect them with all my heart and my mother and sisters mean more to me than life itself so never talk about me and my relations to women. People rightly or wrongly say and do things which offend others look a Malcom X his abuse to whites was frowned upon but that was who he was looking beyond what he was saying look at what he achieved listen to my argument look beyond image deeper and see what u come up with. Pleas think before you respond with your wannabe intelligent come backs which lack depth or continuity.
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Posted: Sunday August 31st, 2003 17:59 |
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@ locsgirl you are right i am not qualified to say what your intentions are i was merely letting you know how it came accross to me. It is nice to know that you have always dated Blackmen and that you 'HAD' every intention of staying with that Black man.
It is obvious that I don't know what it is that you have been through in your many past relationships, as it is that you don't know what i have been through, you will note however, that I and many of the Black Men on this board are not saying every Black Woman is a B***ch or some other derogertary word to describe some one they are not happy with, where as you seem to be running down Black Men in a very stereo typical way based on your own personal experience to date.
As I am a blackman who bares no resemblance to the type of men you have managed to get involved with I have to stand up and make you know that most of the men I know if not all do not treat their women in any bad way granted they all have their ups and downs but nothing out of the ordinary from any normal relationship whether they be black or white
The point I am making here is that I feel that you are doing something wrong and that you must first look at yourself because every circumstance a person finds themself in is a direct result of some decision that they have made. This is just a thought; those men who you wont let have a look in because they in your books (or waiting room) are mr wrong might actualy be Mr Right.
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Posted: Sunday August 31st, 2003 18:55 |
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Wooo talk about getting hot in here Nelly style.
Hmmm..................interesting viewpoints however to the original question posed about the media. A medium has as much or as little power as you choose to give it, and I think the fatalistic view that some have of being able to escape the clutches of the media is flawed. If you have a tv you do not have to watch it, you do not like what you here on the radio you do not have to listen. It is the day to day choices you make for yourself that change the world, rather than trying to change things as whole. I assume that everyone here through the diverse opinions I have heard are strong and independent thinking people. If you are powerful enough to voice the opinions that you have had so far, I do not see why you are concerned about feeble attempts of 'brainwashing' to believe that you are anything other than who you are. Everyone knows intrinsically whether that which they do is right or wrong, and I if you are stupid enough to believe that a small box powered by electricity powers the world then more fool you. A program is an illusion nothing more and nothing less, it has power only if you give up your power to be autonomous.
Blame the artist, Blame the media, blame the artist.............it is all very chicken and egg, neither one is right and both feed one another. However, Everyday people is right, how many record distribution facilities or nationally syndicated television stations are black owned. I am sure that if all the music companies were to say that they are no longer interested in Rap music, and would want gospel music instead; I can guarantee atheists would find Sweet Jesus, and jump on the bandwagon. We all know that it is about supply and demand so why the suprise about the things which are out there at the moment.
I digress, because there was a point to that previous paragraph, if people are disrespecting each other and lack the ability to love; then it has more to do with the behaviour of society than the media. A R 'n' B or rap song, has never instigated and argument or caused me to feel negative about self or others, because I am more than aware that it is an illusion. If people wish to mistreat each other, it is because of choice not because of something they read, watched, or listened to. I think when we make the mistake of believing that life imitates art then you have a problem. The mistake too many of us make is looking to the outside than solving the problems within. I have say that I am sick people blaming media, I am never going to say that it is a positive medium, but you have dominion over yourself.
As for the relationships, we learn the positive and negative from our parenting, so as far I care after the age six I believe that all your further experience will do is either confirm or deny that which you know already. Interesting reading material for book worms is They f**k you up by Oliver James. I think it makes a valid point about upbringing, as opposed to the recurring thought/ excuse that appears here about the media.
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Posted: Sunday August 31st, 2003 20:21 |
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The subject you remember was "Come back to Black men" so therefore the subject surely has to be argued for and against.True I dont see too many other women on there giving their opinion,not that I;d blame them after reading my replies! You put in inverted commas that I "Had" every intention of staying in my relationship with my Black man.You make that comment sound very insincere. Before I leave this subject for good I feel I have to let you know one thing so you get a Bigger picture.Yes I was in a happy marraige with my Black husband and child, but I lost him at the tender age of 35 to lung cancer.I have not had "Many" past relationships at all.
Your attitude reeks of New Age idealism.My profession is that of Psychotherapy, and while I do see some clients who obviously need to deal with excess baggage before they move on it is not true in All cases I promise you.I could be too kind, I could be too honest, I could wear my heart on my sleeve I could be prey to wolves in sheeps clothing who knows.I do know that in this world of ours kindness is often seen as weakness, its rarely given the respect it deserves. Or maybe it could be said that we only get one shot at true love and I;ve had mine so put away them bows and arrows Cupid.
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Posted: Sunday August 31st, 2003 22:33 |
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| @ Locsgirl If I have offended you in any way, I am truly, truly, sorry. I am also very sorry to hear about what happend to your partner. I am shocked though, because it now sounds like that was the man you realy wanted, however you have now left me confused because most of your postings were to the detriment of the Black Man anyway again I say I am sorry for offending you in anyway
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Posted: Monday September 1st, 2003 03:49 |
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@ Azaadi
Yes you have made some valid points and strong minded adults have the ability to withstand this, however you must not ignore the fact that young impressionable youths do get caught up with what the media projects.
Although this can cause a battle with parents trying to balance these negative influences out (and yes some parents are not good parents) it still doesn’t mean that the media and artist celebrities etc involved that help spread the cr*p should not be pinpointed and signalled out. Also I am not just talking about within the music industry.
@ youngconciousblackmind
Mafdet this a forum for constructive debate not for a personal attack.
Thought I was having a constructive debate until you came along. LOL no seriously I wasn't being personal you would know if I was being personal believe me.
I do not condon the way you broke my username down and tried to disrespect me.
Whoa calm down hommie….ok so I take it you didn’t deliberately misspell my name to ManDeft
I was delievering to you what i felt is the essence of hip hop and how rappers such as 2pac to who your arguments over the bad image of hip hop can be leved at are more than about talking about 'b**ches.'
But I did not at any time say all rappers and I certainly didn’t even quote 2pac, infact I wouldn’t mention 2pac and 50 worthless cents in the same breath (until now that is). Actually it was another poster who quoted 2pac yet he is not being attacked for his post. Is this the manly thing with hip hop is this what you was talking about when you say as a women you can understand my anger with hip hop. LOL. I am saying the same as the other poster how comes no one has a problem with what he wrote  Also in regards to Nas I like him especially since he changed his act and started to rap positive messages and you can also draw reference to where he gets his knowledge from in his music.
What I am delievering to you is someties you have to accepet a person for who they are and look beyond that and see what they are delievering.
Not if what they are delivering is cr*p!
If you take an ingrident away from a persons character they may not be the same ie. agression in many humans.
Lets use your character of aggression for example it is not good if used to degrade. There is a time and place for everything why not use that energy used in aggression to forcibly promote and protect our race.
As for women i respect them with all my heart and my mother and sisters mean more to me than life itself so never talk about me and my relations to women.
Glad to hear that but I think you missed the point I was trying to make here....so lets forget it because you didn't get it.
People rightly or wrongly say and do things which offend others look a Malcom X his abuse to whites was frowned upon but that was who he was looking beyond what he was saying look at what he achieved listen to my argument look beyond image deeper and see what u come up with
But you got my drift here Malcolm X used aggression to forcibly promote and protect his race.
Pleas think before you respond with your wannabe intelligent come backs which lack depth or continuity.
Now if that ain’t the pot calling the kettle ……..if you thought about what you was saying in regards to what has previously been said, before you responded to me in the first place you would’ve seen that you missed the boat completely and you are taking this topic far away from the original subject matter, in your feeble attempt to protect all of hip hop and rap. without digesting the full extent of what I am saying.
one more thing............is that really you ……..Everyday people.
Anyway listen until someone post something here which relates back to the subject matter I'm finished ……so take it away youngconciousblackmind……go on have a ball........
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Posted: Monday September 1st, 2003 04:55 |
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| @mafdet.....no i am NOT him.....everyday will B BACK...I know u miss moi......
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Posted: Monday September 1st, 2003 19:29 |
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They dont make black men like they used to!! The new generation of young black men are not serious. Many (but not all) are extremely lazy with no ambition and no drive... they are disrespectful to their families, they are underacheivers and black women are overtaking them in the class room and in career progression!! Until black men grow up, become motivated indivuals with drive and ambition...many black sisters will desert them because they can no longer offer us anything!! It seems black sisters are leaving black men behind and no offence
but as much as I love the black men I will not support someone who cannot support himself!!
So black men wake up, fix up, look sharp!!
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They dont make black men like they used to!! The new generation of young black men are not serious. Many (but not all) are extremely lazy with no ambition and no drive... they are disrespectful to their families, they are underacheivers and black women are overtaking them in the class room and in career progression!! Until black men grow up, become motivated indivuals with drive and ambition...many black sisters will desert them because they can no longer offer us anything!! It seems black sisters are leaving black men behind and no offence
but as much as I love the black men I will not support someone who cannot support himself!!
So black men wake up, fix up, look sharp!!
Linda
stylish"sista".....i speaking from a black mans perspective from the new generation...find your comments hurtful, and damaging..."black sisters will desert them"....what and fall into the white mans trap....i agree that SOME brothas could do a lot better...and im not trying to make excuses for them....but you must understand masculinity and being a man...it is very hard to stay focused in a society where u are classed as a "pest" from birth...the black mans a"thef"..."lazy".."evil"etc etc. Negative sterotyping leads to many brothas believing what is written...and resign to the fact that they will never amount to nothing. In this white mans world...the black brotha needs all the encouragement he can get!!! . AND "SISTAS" like yourself are not helping . SO take a long look at yourself...then come back to the...BLACKMAN
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| I'm surprised you even bothered to respond to that.
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Posted: Tuesday September 2nd, 2003 06:49 |
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Hi Stylishsista
Glad to see I;m not the only woman Brave enough to dare add an opinion on this conversation.They invite you to make a comment on "Come back to Black Men" but cant stand to hear our opinions on this topic.So whats the point.I expect you;ll be accused of "Bitterness" soon enough like I was! But I do have to say that I have a nineteen year old Black son and he makes me proud! He is always in work, when he;s lost a job he gets a new one very quickly.His attitude to life itself is positive and he has a strong and positive self image.We live in a mainly white area but he gets no more hassle from people than anyone else does.The other day he got stopped in his car by the police and they thanked him for being so polite.I think a lot of it is to do with having a secure home life and supportive family structure.I would not allow him to be lazy or disrespectful.I dont want some woman one day cussing me for having spoiled this man she;s with and calling him useless! I;ve made sure he can take care of himself, cook for himself and think for himself. We got a big responsibility in Mothering our sons to make sure they end up decent men with respect for women.
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Posted: Friday September 5th, 2003 22:56 |
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Come back.... I never went anywhere, and have no intention of going anywhere either!
Men (black or otherwise) have their faults, as do women. Outside/social influences play a big part in the problems our men are facing today. Women need to be more encouraging, understanding and FIRMER with their men.... remember a man can only do to you what you allow him to get away with!!! (I know some women gonna hate on me for stating that fact... but it's true), applicable in all situations in life. We are all accountable for what occurs in our lives... if someone shat on you, then you allowed them to do so, especially if it was more than once. We have choices, although there are consequences to the choices we make, we have them all the same and, therefore, should take responsibility for the resultant outcome(s).
Really, both black men and women are probably as bad as each other when dishing out the dirt on each other, but I believe black women have things a lot easier in society today and should be a little more considerate when dealing with her fellow brothas. You know these "quangos" be watching, knowing what's separating us at the moment, and all they do is keep adding fuel to the fire by putting in place processes and such like to further disband us and keep us fighting each other, thereby taking the attention off the real issue - THEM!
I had my share of bad relationships, but hey... there's so many of ya'll out there, I'd be a fool to decided after only a few that I need to jump the fence to graze on some foreign pasture (moooooooo!). I love black men, both good and bad and I always endeavour to encourage and motivate them where possible, if possible. Although I must admit that some of y'all just damn pig headed and can't be told!
This is one black sista that ain't going nowhere my brothas, rest assured!
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Posted: Saturday September 6th, 2003 23:08 |
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I still find it amazing that we can be sooooo self righteous. The realty of these debates is that if there's money to be made, it will be done so- integrity or no integrity. IN this day and age we like to fester too much in the past, instead of think up new and innovative ways of defeating the enemy- fighting fire wid fire and you both get burned. Which is why, I believe that if Black people suddenly became more or the same as powerful as the whiteman- WE WOULD ACT NO DIFFERENT. Putting down the whiteman would be exactly as they have done to us but in reverse,etc we must learn to THINK HIGHER AND ASPIRE TO BE BETTER THAN.
Also, with all our negative thoughts and the focus on what the whiteman has done to us, of course you leave your mind no other room to SHOW him HOW to live.
What would you do if you were king/ president/ prime minister????????
I am sure that 90% of these self-righteous and wasting time judging other people in this forum would carry on the white- rule- step on next man for your own gain.
As for the original post of this forum' come back to Black men'- I have been out with both, and prefer the Black man as he has a deeper and more solid understanding of HIMSELF. However, too much baggage can get in the way, and cloud ones judgment, instead of thiking how can i use this tiny door opening to better myself and my people.
I have said it before and I'll say again BLACK PEOPLE, THIS IS OUR TIME, yes the media may be exploiting us, but for f***s sakes, if you aint gonna use this as a platform to tell people the truth of us, to better your people, make businesses for yoursleves and others, then yes the whiteman has successfully got to you- shame! and really there's no point you live.
Chinaman and Asain man can turn anything negative into their own personal gain, we have a habit of sitting there perusing over the past and making no head way- THIS IS OUR TIME! USE IT
and plleeeaassseee STOP FOCUSING ON THE NEGATIVES ALL THE TIME like 50 cent etc and not referring to how we can turn all the Blackness ' fashion' into our own gain , you are truly starting to bore me
Peace.x. Black think differently female seeking like minded Black male
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Posted: Sunday September 7th, 2003 06:24 |
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@ Dillinger
You opened this topic by writing
Its time for our Black Princesses to come back to their Black Prince!
The key is in your statement brother, for a "true" Black Princess, Queen, Goddess, Majesty whatever title you prefer, would never leave you in the first place. 
Last edited on Sunday September 7th, 2003 06:26 by Mafdet
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Posted: Monday September 15th, 2003 19:42 |
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brotha i am sooooo glad that you are curious. What i mean by "keeping it real" is not conforming to what society deems as exceptable for the young generation. 50 cent among many other rappers is telling it exactly like/was for them before they became famous. The breakdown in the family unit, gangs, crime,poverty,death,racism,drugs the list is endless. It's reality for a number of blacks here and in the states. This reality must not be swept under the carpet, but instead should be heeded,embraced and taken seriously to prevent things like what he and others had experienced not happen in our community or any other. The lyrics are cries for help:society and youth please take not, if you are not careful this could happen to you!!. Youth of today are not STUPID, they need to be exposed to both the happy/lighter parts of life as well as the darker sides of life.
THERE IS NO CENSORSHIP IN REAL LIFE!!!!
@Every day people: But absolutely nothing's changed, we've been "telling it like it is" since the "blues" were first sung way back when.
I've listened to my share of rap music depicting all that is wrong with certain aspects of our socio-economic experience but after a while I got fed up with listening to the same ethos again and again. Not only did I get fed up feeling depressed about "our lot in life" but the question I wanted to know was where were the lyrics about how the hell do "we" get out of this cycle. (I later realised that doesn't sell unit. Those consumers who were buying the "shoot 'em up, b*"ch & ho" lyrical contents, wouldn't be interested in much that was deemed "positive and encouraging" ). Other than Black Eye Peas and the Fugees, I haven't really heard anything that sends a message of strength, encouragement and positivivity. Groups like Morgan Heritage who highlight the facts of our situation but they also try to encourage "us" to look into ourselves and take responsibility for our own lives. Those that listen to this band may appreciate where I'm coming from. At t
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