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Posted: Monday May 7th, 2007 16:44 |
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I know their part of a conglomeration of powerful families in Europe who influence world politics. How long will this lie of 'democracy' hold up?
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Posted: Monday May 7th, 2007 17:59 |
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If anybody tells you that they're just a figurehead, ask them how much land in England the Windsors actually own. You'll be suprised at how much.
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Posted: Tuesday May 8th, 2007 12:46 |
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wrote DSP..."How long will this lie of 'democracy' hold up?"
Until the natural law is fulfilled...
"For you yourselves know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief at night. When people are saying, "Peace and security," then sudden disaster comes upon them, like labor pains upon a pregnant woman,and they will not escape (1 Thessalonians 5:2-3)."
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Posted: Tuesday May 8th, 2007 13:11 |
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^ Sounds hopeful.
If anybody tells you that they're just a figurehead, ask them how much land in England the Windsors actually own. You'll be suprised at how much.
Ummmm.... they OWN england. No one here actually owns any land like they do in the America it all belongs to the monarchy.
The army fights for THEM not the people.... the Royal Mail works for THEM not the people... even the police swear allegiance to protect the monarchy/state but not the people. Heck, they owe us the money in our bank accounts.
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Posted: Tuesday May 8th, 2007 16:15 |
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Ermm, EII makes a promise to pay to the value of what is on the notes. Trouble is that value is changing on a daily basis.
I also prefer to swear allegance to the Queen than to some elected bod, as she has the interests of the nation at heart rather than a section of it.
In respect to ownership of land the Estate are run by the government and the government recieves most of the profits from the Crown Estates in return the Queen recieves an income from the state. This dates back to the 18th I believe.
Most places the monarch owns lands. In Africa especially. In Ghana Princes and Chiefs are always selling land that is not theirs to foreigners and ghanaians alike even Rawlings got burned.
A Constitutional monarchy is good. Africa is a wash with the Monarchy system and it was our system of Monarch that held the country together in times of trouble, particularly during the Centralist Military rule in Nigeria. Using a crooked version of Democracy thrusted upon them by former colonials.
I would say that the Monarch has a lot of checks and balances. But I prefer that then a Bush-Clinton or G Washington also a slave owner. Or the german President.............what;s his name. Or even the Politicised French system.
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Posted: Wednesday May 9th, 2007 10:22 |
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In respect to ownership of land the Estate are run by the government and the government recieves most of the profits from the Crown Estates in return the Queen recieves an income from the state. This dates back to the 18th I believe.
Thought the royals owned the land outright over here in the UK.
In America they swear allegiance to the flag, people and land not to the government or any one person. Their constitution was made to protect the people as at that time any one who had the power could have gone there on an opportunistic flex and snapped up land, gold mines and so on. Had to have something there to protect people and other investors from those with the power to turn it all into a rouge state which it is now... they've pretty much bent laws around the constitution and the people have forgotten its about their country as it belongs to them not to any President, monolith corporation or group.
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Posted: Wednesday May 9th, 2007 19:03 |
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How did the native Americans feature in the Constitution? Is not the "Birth" of that nation about theft from directly beneath them?
And African American partisipation (spelling) in the Political process..............not total until the 1960,s. Without a written constitution, people from the windrush generation had access to the vote at least 15 years before A.A's.
A politicesd Head of State will always abuse their position in the Interests of the section or sponsors who managed to get them there.
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Posted: Thursday May 10th, 2007 00:48 |
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Dada wrote:
I also prefer to swear allegance to the Queen than to some elected bod, as she has the interests of the nation at heart rather than a section of it.
Yes the British monarchy have alot to answer for as far as Africans in the new world are concerned. Was it not the Royal Africa Company that sought to monopolise the slave trade. Also the English royalty have long subjected their own people to tyranny/ forced kidnapping onto ships/ the vicious laws of the 17th century by Charles I who sought to brand apparent idlers as vagabonds/ and held their countrymen in chains. Indeed it was in Queen Victoria and Elizabeth I name that many of the atrocities comitted by British soldiers abroad was comittited. In France the old royalist and the new Jacobins were still comitted to exploiting African labour in Haiti. Did not Napoleon seek to install himself as the ultimate monarch.
As it stands the British monarchy is still head of state in Jamaica and a few other places to our eternal shame. The mythology of the British Empire which is bound up in organsisations such as the "Commonwealth" and still results in Africans the world over/ joining the British army/ and furthering the "interests of the nation" or holding out a begging bowl to their former masters and exploiters in times of need at the leadership level.
Is the British Monarchy still in charge. In the minds of some Africans/ leaders and laymen this is still the case. When Britain needed the raw labour from the colonies during the Windrush era who would pop up on a state visit/ as a great Isis figure from the "mother country" if not the British monarchy. As far as being a benefactor to the indigenous British Im yet to hear of any social benefits or benevolent instincts the monarchy has had towards its own citizens apart from predatory.
In deed what does it mean when one swears allegiance and in word allies themselves with the British monarchy. As an African steeped in my history that is a fundemental contradiction. Might as well start a John Hawkins fan club.
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Posted: Monday May 14th, 2007 20:25 |
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Brother (Correct spelling in the English Language) Tukoma.
I knew you could not resist it..........................so predictable.
There are plenty of African monarchs past and present involved in the sale of slaves during and long after Britains abolishtion of the "Trade". Abacha. Mubutu. Idmin.Taylor. Doe. Papa Doc did not bother to sell but destroy.
" As an African steeped in my history that is a fundemental contradiction"
What african language do you speak and think in? Jamaican? Not a language more an acent a dialect at a stretch. The same nation , whose finest rushed out the door upon independance to go to the U.S.A then U.K rather than build up thier country.
A far Bigger contradiction for me is somebody who calls themself african, declares a dislike for a country or nation, yet decides to obtain a passport to remain in said country and contines to live in said country when there are many African countries that could benefit from ones skill.
Lets just agree to disagree. 
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Posted: Monday May 14th, 2007 23:01 |
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Dada wrote: Brother (Correct spelling in the English Language) Tukoma. You dont need to correct me on my spelling. Its Bredder. Just like Nicodemus said " some say mi wise like Bredder Tukoma"
I knew you could not resist it..........................so predictable 
No what is predictable is your weak and illogical answer.
There are plenty of African monarchs past and present involved in the sale of slaves during and long after Britains abolishtion of the "Trade". Abacha. Mubutu. Idmin.Taylor. Doe. Papa Doc did not bother to sell but destroy.
And what has that got to do with anything. Is anyone suggesting that Africans should express allegiance with them? Much less a foreign queen? There were African overseers/ Africans that owned slaves in the carribean/ Africans that were militia for the British in Jamaica. And a whole lot more. What really is your point? If you cant beat 'em join em? And...?
" As an African steeped in my history that is a fundemental contradiction"
What african language do you speak and think in? Jamaican? Not a language more an acent a dialect at a stretch. The same nation , whose finest rushed out the door upon independance to go to the U.S.A then U.K rather than build up thier country. Again what does that have to do with the statement that I am an African steeped in my history. Or do I have to know Kemetian or Twi/Ga/ Igbo/ to know about the empires of Mali and Ghana? What do you suppose many Africans from different countries are doing now? Building up their country? Not leaving Africa for the UK and the USA? Is an African language the official choice for African governments bar Tanzania. Is that supposed to be a source of pride for me? Are you somehow superior to a non continental African speaker? You had to edit your former post. You exposed your mind too much eh? It doesnt matter. Is Jamaica a Caribbean island comparable in resources to an African country? Did life for jamaicans suddenly get better from independence. FYI Africans have been leaving the caribbean in droves way before independence. I know. Too many questions for you. But your emotional and off tangent answer still dont answer the question. What does the fact the Jamaican is a language defined by lingusists/ or whether its a b**tardised Glaswegian dialect spoken by Africans have to do with this statement: In deed what does it mean when one swears allegiance and in word allies themselves with the British monarchy. As an African steeped in my history that is a fundemental contradiction.
A far Bigger contradiction for me is somebody who calls themself african, declares a dislike for a country or nation, yet decides to obtain a passport to remain in said country and contines to live in said country when there are many African countries that could benefit from ones skill.
Lets just agree to disagree.
Ok so you edited your former post to this last statement. As regards living in said country its my birthright. So no apologies there. Yes many African countries including the Caribbean can benefit from skill. Are you suggesting that Im lacking in this respect? You know my business? Because that contradiction is not my contradiction. Wish I could do a whole lot more but my projects involve no white men/ no white finance or expertise/ neither are they through working for European organisations. . So I sleep sound at night.
But you ranting about Jamaican post fake independence emigration/ and African language still does not address the question.
Is it not a contradiction as an African/ with his African airport stamped passport to swear allegiance to a foreign queen. Since your former post stated that a passport shows the level of allegiance within an individual in your mind. Let me reiterate in plain ye olde Queens English.
Why would an African who values his passport so much swear allegiance to a foreign queen. And not only in word only but deed as well as a stipulation of their employment.
Agree to disagree. You have little choice.  .
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Posted: Tuesday May 15th, 2007 09:08 |
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As it stands the British monarchy is still head of state in Jamaica and a few other places to our eternal shame.
What does that mean exactly? What power does it have over us in Jamaica?
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Posted: Tuesday May 15th, 2007 09:21 |
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Read this:
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Posted: Tuesday May 15th, 2007 23:34 |
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The reason you sleep sound at night is because you have chosen to sleep in the United Kingdom rather than get up off your arse and put your hands to work where your mouth is.
You sleep sound at night because deep down you know that living in the U.K for you is a better option.
You sleep sound at night because while you have not Sworn allegiance to the Queen you are living allegiance within her kingdom.
You sleep sound at night because you have chosen to pay taxes to Her rather than to an African Country.
You sleep sound at night because you applied for British Nationality and have the legal right to reside here, for all your talk. And from past posts and threats by you it is JUST talk, you want to live here because you are affraid to live in J.A or on the Continent for what ever reason.
I agree to disagree because I am mature enough to recognise COWARD full of contradictions.
If I did not like a country, or loved another I would pack my bags and live in that country. I wanted to see a country develop, would reside there and assist in it's development politically (insurrection if necessary) economicaly and socially.
I don't just pontificate about it. Or write what you call "Poetry" about it I act.
ACTION SPEAKS LOUDER THAN WORDS.
BY YOUR OWN ACTIONS IT HAS BEEN PROVEN YOU ARE JUS WORDS. ENJOY England ..............LAND OF HOPE ............that which has kept you here...................and Past Glory.
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Posted: Wednesday May 16th, 2007 08:24 |
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Apply for British Nationality. I was born here you cretin.
Answer the damn question and stop bullsh*tting:
Why would an African who values his passport so much swear allegiance to a foreign queen. And not only in word only but deed as well as a stipulation of their employment.
Yes we all know your actions. You can grab at straws all you like.
Stick your head up Elizabeth's arse you fraud. As I said Im am involved in an engineering project in Africa. My very business demands it.
I did not need any white army friends to take me to Africa. Im not the fraud who fights for the British army/ is proud of her past achievemnets / still classify this land as Great Britain (which shows where your mind is at) and swears allegiance to a foreign queen fraud. Proud African that swears allegiance to foreign royalty. Your'e a mixed up coon really.
Square that contradiction. Explain that. You cant so you will prattle on about me remaining in the country of birth.
You're a ginnal.
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Posted: Wednesday May 16th, 2007 12:55 |
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Furthermore Im going to kill you with logic and take your post apart you waste of space:
Dada wrote:
The reason you sleep sound at night is because you have chosen to sleep in the United Kingdom rather than get up off your arse and put your hands to work where your mouth is. Nope I was born here. Ill leave when Im good and ready.
You sleep sound at night because deep down you know that living in the U.K for you is a better option. Right now it is of course. Like it is for nearly 90% of black people here. Its called having a plan. And actually its by default. I never had the option.
You sleep sound at night because while you have not Sworn allegiance to the Queen you are living allegiance within her kingdom.
Again the adult education classes are not going well are they. Not started grammar yet. What the hell does living alleginace mean.
You sleep sound at night because you have chosen to pay taxes to Her rather than to an African Country. Again straw man argument. And one that 90% of Africans in this country live with. Hell Marcus Garvey paid taxes to America while plotting the Black Star Line. He paid taxes to the Jamaican government while in colonial adminstration while plotting black empowerment. Should he not of slept sound?
You sleep sound at night because you applied for British Nationality and have the legal right to reside here, for all your talk. I was born here. What a wild assumption to make. But then you had nothing better to say really did you. And from past posts and threats by you it is JUST talk, you want to live here because you are affraid to live in J.A or on the Continent for what ever reason. Ive lived in JA. I will live there again in time. I go JA on business. And what? What you got to say now?
I agree to disagree because I am mature enough to recognise COWARD full of contradictions. The same contradictions that all black people who dont love this country (which is a large protion) live with. Are they all cowards? Are the many people on here who have nothing good to say about this UK system cowards. Or is it just convieniently me for the day.
If I did not like a country, or loved another I would pack my bags and live in that country. Yes and a fool like you would probably do it without a dime in his pocket and go live like a house rat somewhere. I wanted to see a country develop, would reside there and assist in it's development politically (insurrection if necessary) economicaly and socially. Dont have to reside in a country to help it develop. Many black people go to and from the Caribbean doing that very job. But I suppose they're all hypocrites are they. There are many ways to skin a cat.
I don't just pontificate about it. Or write what you call "Poetry" about it I act.
Poetry like dadaism the European nihilistic art form that developed last centuiry in response to the 1st world war and European aethestics. Pontificate indeed.
ACTION SPEAKS LOUDER THAN WORDS.
BY YOUR OWN ACTIONS IT HAS BEEN PROVEN YOU ARE JUS WORDS. ENJOY England ..............LAND OF HOPE ............that which has kept you here...................and Past Glory.
And by your own actions and words its proven you are a sell out traitor who fights for another mans country while pontificating on his Africaness/ his African passport and lingusitic skills. Not only that you swear allegiance to a foreign Queen. Who are you trying to fool. Explain yourself traitor boy. At least others Ive discussed with can justify joining the armed forces - can offer some explanation and reasoning in their own mind which can be respected. You mister African fraud have nothing to say but speak of JA emigration. What language I speak. Where I live. Things that every Diasporian African/ lives with rountinely. Your attempt to take a common situation and project it onto me as some personal contradiction is weak. So weak. Which Africans in history have sworn allegiance to foreigners. Fight in their armies. Anybody can see that is far greater collusion and far more of a contradiction that merely being born in a country and making a living until the time that they can do more god willing. Do I have to love the Queen and fight for her to achieve that. Should all black men in Britain join the army because they are "living allegiance" in her country? Should we all bow on one knee to the Queen. Answer that. Nothing else. Wanna fight again do we? Boxing ring or back streets of Bermondsey. Come let me hear you beat up your chest again. The Great dada who refuses to be outwitted on the internet so will take it to the streets...
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Posted: Thursday May 17th, 2007 08:58 |
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You sleep sound at night because deep down you know that living in the U.K for you is a better option. Right now it is of course. Like it is for nearly 90% of black people here. Its called having a plan. And actually its by default. I never had the option.
Pardon! Why did you not have an option.....................Because your in PRISION
What sort of a Lame excuse is that?
Apply for British Nationality. I was born here you cretin.
You were also born stupid................doesnt mean you cannot improve....................on second thoughts.
"I was born here" that's why I live here and have a passport. What sort of passive sell out talk is that.
Plenty of people are born else where but end up here in good old Blighty.
Another lame excuse.
I have noticed that you have descended into racial insults once more.
It really shows us how f*ck up your mind is. Not sure on Blacknets policy on that. But you belitte yoursef further when you do it.
"If I did not like a country, or loved another I would pack my bags and live in that country."
Yes and a fool like you would probably do it without a dime in his pocket and go live like a house rat somewhere
Once more your comments mark you down as not only a coward that you are but also one insensitive to the many Africans who have left Africa to come here and ignores that such courage is what the New World was built up on people risking everything to make a better life for themselves and build something.
I am not restricted in my movements.
I don't just pontificate about it. Or write what you call "Poetry" about it I act.
Poetry like dadaism the European nihilistic art form that developed last centuiry in response to the 1st world war and European aethestics. Pontificate indeed
sorry. so you googled the what Dada and thought you have learnt something new.
You really are a sado with a bee in your bonnet.
As for your invitation to a fight. It is as hollow as your words.
You have no wit. Only a limited vision. A Boy who focuses on percieved Problems, enemy centred without solutions.
I was born here!
The words of a Fatalist, a passive victim of his surroundings a mouse not a lion.
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Posted: Thursday May 17th, 2007 11:44 |
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Spiraling over and over...
Well, it is my opinion that the British Monarchy does maintain power. As I see it, the question of alliance forms by those who are 'loyal' to the cause of safeguarding the existence and the survival of the imperial system.
Although Britain 'puts on a face' that is 'anti- Europe', I believe that this is a mere political act to reserve control over their currency whilst eliminating the Franco-Germany covenant.
The Empire rings as a country that is 'Open to all' and charitable at any given cost yet in secret behaves as 'a hateful bird' that leads by a superficial appearance; enabling the process of acquired security to bind its interests by a substantiating path to influence.
I find it somewhat disturbing that this type of authority of institutional matter continues to operate by a frame of primitive nature--survival.
As it is fixed on servicing, 'control renders' by a material domain to condition minds into being bounded in product absorption kind of 'existence'; without regard that a higher level of control thrives by evolution of the spirit which does not merit any form of materalism regulation. By fostering a spiritual way for living, a process of growth 'in body' creates a re-ordering of the system to appear 'in mind'; operating by a mechanism that is defined by the universe and not governed by a few people.
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Posted: Thursday May 17th, 2007 13:02 |
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Why would an African who values his passport so much swear allegiance to a foreign queen. And not only in word only but deed as well as a stipulation of their employment.
Why dont you answer the question. Are you afraid?
Now this next paragragh is a classic. Boy you must of been born with a size 10 in your mouth because everytime you type you expose your Anglophillic and Eurocentric attitude. Classic coon speech...
Once more your comments mark you down as not only a coward that you are but also one insensitive to the many Africans who have left Africa to come here and ignores that such courage is what the New World was built up on people risking everything to make a better life for themselves and build something.
1) Any African that is able to come here you can be sure has more than a dime in their pocket.
2) Whose courage are you speaking about that built the " New World". Was is the British/ Spanish and Dutch 'courage' in the America's that wiped out indigenous populations? John Hawkins and British planters risked everything to come to Jamaica and make a fortune did they...to leave their home and build plantation societies is courageous in your eyes is it? To commit genocide is courageous? Oh yes Europeans wanted to make a better life for themselves/ generally pirates/ low lifes/ vagabonds and the mentally deranged from their societies. Courageous pioneers eh? You watch too much John Wayne films. Did the army really f**k with your mind that bad?
You do millions of Africans a diservice and sully their name with such a statement. That their predicament at home and in the Americas was due to the courage of those who built the New World and risked everything!! Incredulous.
Carry on..
I am not restricted in my movements.
Economics restricts people in their movemenets everyday. If it doesnt restrict you then bully for you. However Im not watching you. Nothing comes before its time.
The words of a Fatalist, a passive victim of his surroundings a mouse not a lion.
Save the fake shakespeare for someone who apprecites it. Maybe some of your dadist friends might.
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Posted: Thursday May 17th, 2007 14:43 |
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You truely are one messed up individual with some serious issues.
Go and speak to your threapist or take some medication.
Get help
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Posted: Thursday May 17th, 2007 17:23 |
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Dada wrote: You truely are one messed up individual with some serious issues.
Go and speak to your threapist or take some medication.
Get help
Once more your comments mark you down as not only a coward that you are but also one insensitive to the many Africans who have left Africa to come here and ignores that such courage is what the New World was built up on people risking everything to make a better life for themselves and build something.
I just had to see it again. Because if I never read it I wouldnt of believed it.
Go on run bwoy..you dont have the intellect neither the tools to even defend whats going on in your own mind. LOL. You're a funny guy.
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Posted: Saturday May 19th, 2007 19:18 |
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No seriously I am not joking.
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Posted: Saturday May 19th, 2007 20:20 |
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