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Posted: Monday March 12th, 2007 17:50 |
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Black Flash wrote: I was speaking to a friend the other day, and we stared arguing about barack obama. my friend said that he doesnt know why people keep calling him black, he aint black, he is mixed race.
he believes that barack should stop calling himself a black man and that the media should stop saying that he could become the first 'black president'. According to him obama is mixed race/biracial, therefore he cannot represent or speak for black people.
we both have contrasting views on mixed race people. My friend strongly questions their allegiance to the black race, whereas I believe that black is black and advocate the one drop rule.
i do admit that some mixed race people (especially those in britain) do not see themselves as black and despise the black blood running through their veins, but overall I do see most mixed race/biracial people as part of our race.
i just wanted to know what the members of the board think abouth mixed race people.
I totally agree Flash, I and my mate were discussing this subject just today. Mixed race people are turning out to be one of the most racist set of people next to the indians and the whites. Some of the comments, and the way they express them are coming directly from their white side. They would rather be seen with a white partner than a black or they stick soley with their own purely for racist beliefs and is on par with the so called Coloureds in South Africa.
White people cannot be trusted around black kids whether they are mixed or adopted.
I know a black girl that was adopted by whites and was constantly told that she is not to marry a black man when she is old enough, so imagine what they tell their mixed raced children. No wonder they are mentally not stable people. Anyway that girl married my cousin and now have a big house in Florida. One in the eye of her racist white adopters. 
Funny though, mixed race people back in the old days were more black than modern day and were always considered black.
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Posted: Monday March 12th, 2007 20:47 |
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BlackArab wrote: Black Flash wrote: I was speaking to a friend the other day, and we stared arguing about barack obama. my friend said that he doesnt know why people keep calling him black, he aint black, he is mixed race.
he believes that barack should stop calling himself a black man and that the media should stop saying that he could become the first 'black president'. According to him obama is mixed race/biracial, therefore he cannot represent or speak for black people.
we both have contrasting views on mixed race people. My friend strongly questions their allegiance to the black race, whereas I believe that black is black and advocate the one drop rule.
i do admit that some mixed race people (especially those in britain) do not see themselves as black and despise the black blood running through their veins, but overall I do see most mixed race/biracial people as part of our race.
i just wanted to know what the members of the board think abouth mixed race people.
I totally agree Flash, I and my mate were discussing this subject just today. Mixed race people are turning out to be one of the most racist set of people next to the indians and the whites. Some of the comments, and the way they express them are coming directly from their white side. They would rather be seen with a white partner than a black or they stick soley with their own purely for racist beliefs and is on par with the so called Coloureds in South Africa.
White people cannot be trusted around black kids whether they are mixed or adopted.
I know a black girl that was adopted by whites and was constantly told that she is not to marry a black man when she is old enough, so imagine what they tell their mixed raced children. No wonder they are mentally not stable people. Anyway that girl married my cousin and now have a big house in Florida. One in the eye of her racist white adopters.
Funny though, mixed race people back in the old days were more black than modern day and were always considered black.
Well, I can see the time coming when "Black" folks simply stop accepting mixed people. That will be a sad day. But I can see no other way. I really love mixed folks who id with us. That is the honest truth. But the harsh reality is that extending someone a group identity, only to see your hand knocked away isn't pleasant.
And "Black" folks can get just as angry or become just as bitter as any other folk.
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Posted: Tuesday March 13th, 2007 16:35 |
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Why is it that some people on this site love to generalise when it comes to mixed race/asian/white but if someone generalises about black people in the media or where ever people dont like it at all. Treat others as you would like to be treated...
P.s this isnt aimed at everyone so dont all jump on me, just a few people on this thread but I cant be bothered to go back look at their display names, one in particular on this page though
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Posted: Tuesday March 13th, 2007 16:59 |
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xXEbonyEyesXx wrote: Why is it that some people on this site love to generalise when it comes to mixed race/asian/white but if someone generalises about black people in the media or where ever people dont like it at all. Treat others as you would like to be treated...
P.s this isnt aimed at everyone so dont all jump on me, just a few people on this thread but I cant be bothered to go back look at their display names, one in particular on this page though
It doesn't have as much to do with generalizing as it has to do with reality.
I have campaigned time and again on behalf of the mixed race folk who id as being "Black". Many of these folks are bi-cultural like Alicia Keys. They proudly wear their Africanness as well as their other cultural inspirations and influences. I think that is right and good.
But I know my people. We extend this "privilege" to many folks who still slap our hands away as though we insulted them. I know they don't speak for all mixed people. But they absolutely claim that they do.
And you can go to mixedfolks.com or mulatto.org to get that understanding, if I have failed to give it to you here. They are not "Black" and they are absolutely insulted if someone refers to them as being "Black". They are angered that we would actually think to call them one of us. . .African-Americans. . .the sons and daughters of "Whites", Africans, and American Indians.
It would be different if they simply said they were repping for themselves. But that isn't what they do.
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Posted: Tuesday March 13th, 2007 18:41 |
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Abissinia wrote: I think of them as MIXED RACE i.e. black and white.... and until someone can prove to me that a white man/woman can have/give birth to a fully African/black child (no half African and no artificial shshsh) then i shall continue to see them as what they are MIXED RACE.
I think the nail is being hit on the head here in terms of the simplistic conclusion of the identity of mixed race people. Abissinia describes mixed race from her perspective as "i.e. black and white." Quite simple that description, so easy to arrive at what would be considered black or not. However, this is oversimpllistic and as we know people who are decendents of several 'races' may in complexion be one thing, in culture something else and on paper something else again.
On being mixed race is a complex subject fraught with micro and macro dynamixs. I have no doubt that Abissinia considers Bob Marley as Mixed Race but it is my view that he is Black.
Identity is at the heart of this subject and on the one hand is completely subjective from both the perspective of the invidiual concerned and that of those who consider themselves 'un-mixed'!
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Posted: Tuesday March 13th, 2007 21:46 |
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Femergy wrote: Abissinia wrote: I think of them as MIXED RACE i.e. black and white.... and until someone can prove to me that a white man/woman can have/give birth to a fully African/black child (no half African and no artificial shshsh) then i shall continue to see them as what they are MIXED RACE.
I think the nail is being hit on the head here in terms of the simplistic conclusion of the identity of mixed race people. Abissinia describes mixed race from her perspective as "i.e. black and white." Quite simple that description, so easy to arrive at what would be considered black or not. However, this is oversimpllistic and as we know people who are decendents of several 'races' may in complexion be one thing, in culture something else and on paper something else again.
On being mixed race is a complex subject fraught with micro and macro dynamixs. I have no doubt that Abissinia considers Bob Marley as Mixed Race but it is my view that he is Black.
Identity is at the heart of this subject and on the one hand is completely subjective from both the perspective of the invidiual concerned and that of those who consider themselves 'un-mixed'!
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Very insightful. Yes, this is all subjective because the very nature of race is subjective. When a race-minded person expresses their "mixed" identity. They are really speaking in a cultural sense. They are claiming they are not to be associated with African Culture. I feel that we as Africans should accepted the mixed folks who do recognize that African connection.
But Fem, it's hard to explain the frustration that Africans feel when talking about certain mixed people. Here is a person, with the blood of Africa, basically slapping us in our faces. They make it appear as if we are begging for them to be "Black". That alone is beyond belief.
So now, there is talk in many communities about "mixed" folks, where there was none before. Before, they were us. . .because we were all mixed anyway. But now. . .that time may be coming to an end.
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Posted: Wednesday March 14th, 2007 17:31 |
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I wasn't talking to you, I understand what you said and totally agree with you. 
I was talking about other people on the thread who go on like mixed race people are all negative. I know some are like that but they were going on like its everyone and I think its unfair to do that.
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Posted: Wednesday March 14th, 2007 17:51 |
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xXEbonyEyesXx wrote: @ The Dogon
I wasn't talking to you, I understand what you said and totally agree with you.
I was talking about other people on the thread who go on like mixed race people are all negative. I know some are like that but they were going on like its everyone and I think its unfair to do that.
Sorry Ebony, I didn't mean to jump into your business.
And thanks for breaking things down for us.
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Posted: Wednesday March 14th, 2007 20:30 |
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xXEbonyEyesXx wrote: Why is it that some people on this site love to generalise when it comes to mixed race/asian/white but if someone generalises about black people in the media or where ever people dont like it at all. Treat others as you would like to be treated...
P.s this isnt aimed at everyone so dont all jump on me, just a few people on this thread but I cant be bothered to go back look at their display names, one in particular on this page though
It IS unfair to genalize, though generalization does have it's place at times. I defend bi-racial people because I have known some who DON'T fit the negative stereotype,often ascribed to all of them. Having said that, common sense and logic tells me that I'm not going to give them the same benefit of the doubt that I automatically give an "fully' Black person, because a biracial person has both more motive and opportunity to do what is being described by some here. I watch ALL Black folks for signs of traitorship/self hate/sellout/Tom tendencies, but my antenna is particularly active around biracials, for obvious reasons. The only diffference I have with the view expressed by some here, is that they seem to feel that no matter what the biracial person in question says/does/ how they allign themselves, they can never be trusted or fully accepted, and should be dismissed out of hand. That I totally disagree with.
I've learned take things on a case by case basis, because I can honestly say that I've seen some bi-racial people be MORE willing to talk honestly about colorism/good hair etc and perceive the foolishness of it/disavow it (Black/Korean singer Amerie comes to mind, just as an example), than some 2 Black parent having light skinned Black folks who want to insist that there is no colorism/preferential treatment/ given to them WITHIN the BLACK community , or even want to insist that being light or more white looking is somehow a DISADVANTAGE and a source of oppression and tragedy, for them, or who actually secretly buy into the sh*t and really DO think they are better. THAT'S the type I have no use for, and I don't care whether they have 1 Black parent or 2 Black parents. If they talk that nonsense/have that view, they are not to be trusted in my estimation, and are consequently, on my lifetime sh*t list.
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Posted: Thursday March 15th, 2007 23:53 |
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Posted: Friday March 16th, 2007 00:30 |
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But Fem, it's hard to explain the frustration that Africans feel when talking about certain mixed people. Here is a person, with the blood of Africa, basically slapping us in our faces. They make it appear as if we are begging for them to be "Black". That alone is beyond belief.
You know what, I don't spare any energy on trying to rationalise the what's and why's of other peoples identities. I put my energy into being clear about mine. Yes, gain understanding but let's not get bent and out of shape over this, when push come to shove, we all know in a given set of oppresive circumstances mixed race people know as much as everyone else what they would be classified as (with or without the brown paper bag) and hung drawn and quartered same way as the next black man/woman.
Mixed race people also understand the priviledge and the burden of being in the man's house. As I have put it to people, you get f***ed both ways and that ain't an easy burden. So mek him gwan. If he get's in the 'White House' he's only going to look that bit darker!
So for me, I cannot walk around sharing in the denial of a mixed race person any more than I would walk around denying that not all is cushy with black people regardless of place of birth and skin tone.
Human's will always be looking for reasons to differentiate because we are competitive due to our desire to survive, and there ain't a group of people that can do survial better than black people (another thread me thinks).
So for me the bottom line is to take heart and focus on the good people of 'mixed' race who have made a contribution to the black struggle and the fight for freedom. Leave the rough diamonds, they will sharpen up in time - or they will die never knowing the beauty and priviledge of being identifed as being Black.
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Posted: Friday March 16th, 2007 02:42 |
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History teaches us that the allegiance of the mixed race to African interests worldwide is steeped in treachery and betrayal.
Read Kemet/ South Africa/ the Carribean especially the Haitian revolution/ even the life story of Mary Seacole one of our so called heroes. Who's interests did she protect and invest her time and expertise in. Bob Marley and Malcolm X grew up around Africans and identified with them and ultimately did not use their background as a stepping stone on the backs of other Africans. This is an exception rather than the rule.
I think the Black man/woman distrust of the mixed race is healthy and is based on historical memory.
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Posted: Friday March 16th, 2007 22:16 |
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But Fem, it's hard to explain the frustration that Africans feel when talking about certain mixed people. Here is a person, with the blood of Africa, basically slapping us in our faces. They make it appear as if we are begging for them to be "Black". That alone is beyond belief.
You know what, I don't spare any energy on trying to rationalise the what's and why's of other peoples identities. I put my energy into being clear about mine. Yes, gain understanding but let's not get bent and out of shape over this, when push come to shove, we all know in a given set of oppresive circumstances mixed race people know as much as everyone else what they would be classified as (with or without the brown paper bag) and hung drawn and quartered same way as the next black man/woman.
Mixed race people also understand the priviledge and the burden of being in the man's house. As I have put it to people, you get f***ed both ways and that ain't an easy burden. So mek him gwan. If he get's in the 'White House' he's only going to look that bit darker!
So for me, I cannot walk around sharing in the denial of a mixed race person any more than I would walk around denying that not all is cushy with black people regardless of place of birth and skin tone.
Human's will always be looking for reasons to differentiate because we are competitive due to our desire to survive, and there ain't a group of people that can do survial better than black people (another thread me thinks).
So for me the bottom line is to take heart and focus on the good people of 'mixed' race who have made a contribution to the black struggle and the fight for freedom. Leave the rough diamonds, they will sharpen up in time - or they will die never knowing the beauty and priviledge of being identifed as being Black.
Hey, I understand what you are saying. And I agree. But I just also know how people feel in general. I might be wrong. But I think many "Black" folks are becoming fed up with the confusion.
Hopefully, cooler heads will prevail and all this will soon just be water under the bridge.
Thanks for that brilliant posting, my sister.
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Posted: Saturday March 17th, 2007 01:03 |
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Everybody is different-
I have no problem with biracial people wanting to identify as black or as biracial.
I knew a couple of girls though who used to think that black girls were hating on them all the time because of their hair or their skin tone. It maybe the case sometimes but it is not always that way at all. If you go around thinking that black women are jealous of you it can rub people up the wrong way like they think that they are better than somebody else i don't know if i have expressed that so well. They may think that you look great or may not even think that person is all that or they may have a horrible personality.
Some weirdo black mother when i was at school banned me from talking to her biracial daughter on the phone. She was so rude to me when i called up i was shocked. I think that she didn't want her to have any black friends.
My niece and nephews are black and biracial and i see my biracial family as being biracial. If i was just to see them as being black it would deny their father to me which i will not do.
I think that biracial people now have their heads screwed on more than ever before. Although some people are still confused as to who they are or where they belong i think that it is really getting better. I think that this may have to do with biracial people having better self esteem and identifying and being proud of being biracial people.
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Posted: Saturday March 17th, 2007 03:25 |
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rachie wrote: Everybody is different-
I have no problem with biracial people wanting to identify as black or as biracial.
I knew a couple of girls though who used to think that black girls were hating on them all the time because of their hair or their skin tone. It maybe the case sometimes but it is not always that way at all. If you go around thinking that black women are jealous of you it can rub people up the wrong way like they think that they are better than somebody else i don't know if i have expressed that so well. They may think that you look great or may not even think that person is all that or they may have a horrible personality.
Some weirdo black mother when i was at school banned me from talking to her biracial daughter on the phone. She was so rude to me when i called up i was shocked. I think that she didn't want her to have any black friends.
My niece and nephews are black and biracial and i see my biracial family as being biracial. If i was just to see them as being black it would deny their father to me which i will not do.
I think that biracial people now have their heads screwed on more than ever before. Although some people are still confused as to who they are or where they belong i think that it is really getting better. I think that this may have to do with biracial people having better self esteem and identifying and being proud of being biracial people.
I don't think you quite understand. Biracial people have never been "White", well at least not if they divulged their true heritage. You might find a biracial person being able to id as being Asian, Latino, or American Indian. And of course, African-Americans have been mixed with everything since we have been here.
What this proves is that race is a social construct. It isn't science. It isn't fact. Race simply is an approximation. Generally, when a "Black" person speaks about race, it isn't about heritage, it is usually about culture.
Do you see what I mean? We are all half-breeds, who id with cultural groupings. Even "Whites", though they most claim to be pure and devoid of any mixed ancestry. Their designation is merely an approximation for a cultural identity.
Mixed race people, and I mean those who claim to be "Mixed", generally don't identify with any African Culture.
Maybe this explanation was clearer.
In this forum, most folks speak about being African and/or descended from African Cultures. That is the connection we feel. We don't feel race.
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Posted: Saturday March 17th, 2007 09:31 |
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I don't think i ever thought that biracial people have ever been white. I am not sure which part of what i wrote gave that impression maybe you could point out to me which part of what i wrote gave you that impression though. 
A point that i missed out before is that you do get biracial people like Trisha Goddard whose skin tones are darker and they are seen mainly as black by most people.
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I don't think you quite understand. Biracial people have never been "White", well at least not if they divulged their true heritage.
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Posted: Sunday March 18th, 2007 10:43 |
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TheDogon wrote:
What this proves is that race is a social construct. It isn't science. It isn't fact. Race simply is an approximation. Generally, when a "Black" person speaks about race, it isn't about heritage, it is usually about culture.
Do you see what I mean? We are all half-breeds, who id with cultural groupings. Even "Whites", though they most claim to be pure and devoid of any mixed ancestry. Their designation is merely an approximation for a cultural identity.
I especially agree with the highlighted parts. This is it in a nutshell. Many of the Black folks who have the most draconian views about considering someone who is culturally and self alligned as Black, but with white blood as something other than Black, who are so concerned with them claiming ALL of their "heritage", don't extend that same analysis to the many "white" folks walking around with Black blood,(sometimes not so distant Black blood), who ONLY identify as white. It's interesting that this little conundrum, rarely comes up in these discussions. There is this implicit, (racist assumption imo), that everybody belonging to the "white" cultural identity grouping is 100% white. Only those belonging to the "Black"cultural identity group were affected by mixing, not white folks, who were miraculously able to maintain 100% purity,apparently. There is no inclination to harangue those "mixed" people to identify with BOTH sides of their "heritiage", and not deny the other side,lol, or even to claim a "biracial" identity. Everyone expects them to only claim a white identity and would have a hissy fit if they tried to do anything else.
A friend of mine also brought up a point that I never considered when she said that, the fact that some Black folks can't believe or fathom that a "biracial" person would WANT to identify soley as Black, when they don't HAVE to and are always expecting them to jump ship, suspicious of those who don't or won't, may be rooted in a negative view of Blackness. Kind of like being Black is the most terrible thing in the world to be, why would anyone choose to allign themselves with it, when they had a ready made out,lol. In her mind, that SOMETIMES has more to do with the "full blooded" Black person who is doing the evaluating and THEIR feelings/beliefs than it does with the bi-racial person being evaluated.
I believe that the social construct part of race, is where a lot of us get tripped up. It is why over the centuries white folks have both included,then excluded certain people within the "white" cultural identity, as it suited their needs/interest/whims(the same people, mind u). THEY don't even totally hold to the biological definition of race that THEY pulled out of their asses, and imposed on the rest of the world, yet you have some of us acting like it's written in stone(which is strange, cause it's not even OUR idea/inclination, which is why it has never really worked for us,btw). They can/have/will shift the goal posts to a certain degree, if it forwards their agenda. I've said it before and I'll say it again, race, as a practical/real life matter, is as much about who you cast your lot with, as it is about biology.
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Posted: Monday March 19th, 2007 18:53 |
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I didn't mean to imply that you said "Mixed" people could be "White", you appear to think that race has some kind of factual basis. This is the statement that caught my eye.
If i was just to see them as being black it would deny their father to me which i will not do.
I could not deny my heritage, even if I wanted to. But that does not change the fact that I was born in the "Black" community, raised by "Black" people, and given a "Black" identity. I am an African in America. I have "European" heritage, yet I am not European. I have American Indian heritage, yet I am not an American Indian.
The only community that embraced me and claimed me was "Black" folks. And I don't feel like I can roll with "Mixed" people. I just want to be African. I might as well accept them, since they always have accepted me.
Other people have their own paths.
rachie wrote: I don't think i ever thought that biracial people have ever been white. I am not sure which part of what i wrote gave that impression maybe you could point out to me which part of what i wrote gave you that impression though.
A point that i missed out before is that you do get biracial people like Trisha Goddard whose skin tones are darker and they are seen mainly as black by most people.
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I don't think you quite understand. Biracial people have never been "White", well at least not if they divulged their true heritage.
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Posted: Monday March 19th, 2007 20:08 |
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BF,
Most of the Mixed race children that I grew up with and some in my family, tend to strongly identify with their Black heritage or both and I respected them for that. I have no problem with mixed race people people as a whole. The only time that I do have a problem with one is when they do the " Jennfier Beals or Tiger Woods" number-- doing anything to dowplay their Black side. Truthfully, we can say that they are not either race ,as they like to say, but I get a little offended with it because they make being black seem like a dirty racial classification and sometimes when you hear some people talk like that, it make me wonder what they thought about Black people. My paternal grandfather was born into an era where he considered himself to be Negro, colored, Black, Afro-American and partially mixed raced. His Mom was AA and his father was an Eastern Indian. It's funny, he preferred if you called him a Black man and nothing else. He never downplayed his heritage in spite of his Asian dad. Even when the biracial category came to effect in Georgia several years ago and I asked him about, he said " still Black" and that was that. Any talk like what those those two( Jennfier and Tiger) dished out were offenseive to him.
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Posted: Monday March 19th, 2007 21:06 |
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Thanks for explaining and i understand what you are saying. Like i said earlier i am completely ok with biracial person who identify as black or biracial.
Now to me my nephew who is 3 is a product of both of my sister and her husband and to me he is of mixed racial origin. When the time comes if he has any questions i will try and make him feel proud of both parts of his heritage .
Times have changed a bit in society i think though twenty years ago people may have just viewed a biracial person as being black but now things are a bit different.
Like you said though everybody has their own paths to choose.
Skin tones vary a lot amongst biracial people, you may get some people who maybe darker like Trisha Goddard or Bob Marley and then you have people who are lighter like Ashley from the X-Factor and those somewhere in between. In real l | | | |
