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Posted: Wednesday February 21st, 2007 13:43 |
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| Some of you folks are lucky you know who you are and your heritage, but other people through no fault of theirs do not have all the answers - put yourself in their shoes - if you were mixed raced it would be a tug of war because you cant simply deny who you are. Let's stop discrimination against mixed race people, they have every right to be. Last edited on Wednesday February 21st, 2007 13:45 by Footprints
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Posted: Wednesday February 21st, 2007 14:56 |
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I consider them to be what they are, mixed race. To be honest I dont really trust them I have come across too many mixed race people who identify as black but think they are better because of their european features. But I blame black people for giving them that superiority complex because we are the ones who have placed them on a pedal stall because of their european resemblence but thats another story.
aint that the truth. aint got nothing against these people. the issue is about us blks and how we view them.you summed it up in my opinion. besides if we never tollerated their vain superiority they wouldnt have power.
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Posted: Wednesday February 21st, 2007 16:48 |
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Footprints wrote: Some of you folks are lucky you know who you are and your heritage, but other people through no fault of theirs do not have all the answers - put yourself in their shoes - if you were mixed raced it would be a tug of war because you cant simply deny who you are. Let's stop discrimination against mixed race people, they have every right to be.
Precisely. Some people interpret my stance as banishing people who are us. It's more letting them be who they are first and foremost and stop forcing the ridicolous tug of emotions and loyaltys which I've seen ruin a span of people.
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Posted: Wednesday February 21st, 2007 18:22 |
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Abissinia wrote: I think of them as MIXED RACE i.e. black and white.... and until someone can prove to me that a white man/woman can have/give birth to a fully African/black child (no half African and no artificial shshsh) then i shall continue to see them as what they are MIXED RACE.
Respectfully, my sister. . .I must disagree. To use such a standard eliminates too many people. What if one of the parents is half-African? Or 1/4 African?
Those are questions that are not the most relevant given our situation. Not when there are people who walk around with 100% African blood and could give a care about their people.
I don't seek to convince you. You must roll the way you roll. But in truth, there is no way the African community would be able to sustain such beliefs.
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Posted: Wednesday February 21st, 2007 18:33 |
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HatHaruhotep wrote: There are some biracial folks who call themselves mixed, and I don't have time for them because my only concern is Black people.
As far as Dark Prince's comments about American Afrikans being "basically European", one glimpse at American Afrikan culture would tell someone who wasn't brainwashed by racist, arab supremacist so-called "religions" that the assertion simply isn't true. DNA results for American Afrikans such as Whoopi Goldberg reveal that many of us are 90% Afrikan, so science also rejects his ignorant assumptions.
I encourage Black people everywhere to recognize the fact that Black muslims are agents of arab destruction, sent here to divide our people with their nonsense and deliver our minds, bodies, and souls to their arab masters. SOMALIS are less Afrikan than Afrikan Americans because they don't even practice AFRIKAN culture. They are over there stoning and shooting each other in the name of the arab's god and trying to imitate an arab who hated their black guts and called us "raisin heads". Without the arabs, you don't even have a culture. So go clean up your own backyard (literally, the streets of Mogadishu look like a landfill) first and then try to tell other people who CAN feed their own children what to do.
Look at this fake ass osiris worshiping motherf**ker, what exactly are you African Americans shooting each other for? drugs and turf? You are still a second citizen in your own country, you have no f**kings rights.
You're gonna tell me abou cleaning streets? have you been to your ghettos? they make bagdad look like a days inn. And it's not like you don't have the means to fix up, no it's just most of you are either too lazy or too apathetic. Nah friend, Mogadishu streets are pretty fine compared some of yours. Real AA's have died and they've died in vain, because modern are AA's come in three forms, A) Useless coon, B) Corporate sell out coon and C) Virus coon.
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Posted: Wednesday February 21st, 2007 18:48 |
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i dont think there is anything wrong with being mixed race or half caste.
if anything i think they look beautiful with their light skin complexion and dark black hair.
mixed race women are often very good looking.
my mum is quite dark skinned whereas my dad is slightly lighter skinned.
i definatly have my mums dark skin complexion and i am happy with it
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Posted: Wednesday February 21st, 2007 18:59 |
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Chica(go) wrote: I have only had contact with two bi-racials in my life.
Black/white - Male, you assume he is Black (looks like a lightskinned Black person, on a Black site, listen to Black music, closest friends are black with a few white ones and quick to throw up white privelege in your face in a minute. Hmmmmmmmm. very pround of being bi-racial, elated that he can straddle the fence, whenever he feels like it. BUT don't understand Black people who are openly proud of who they are.
Black/Arabic-Female. My first cousin through marriage. My uncle raised her from the age of 3 while dating, and eventually marrying her mother. Grew up in the same culture as male above, except she really knows no white people at all. Now that she is in the army, I'm quite sure he has made a couple by now. Identifies herself as a Black woman.
Some mixed race people or either on the male's side or my cousin's side. And you have to take them on a case by case basis, just like anyone of any race.
Oh yeah, being mixed is not a race. It's an identity. And bi/multiracial people indulge in whatever demographic and/or culture, they were raised in.
But just like any group of people their are some that just can't be trusted.
You said it in a way that I could not. Mixed people are just like everyone else. Some believe in that Mixed-race identity. Some are "White".
And some are "Black".
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Posted: Wednesday February 21st, 2007 19:02 |
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Why has everything to do with being mixed raced gotta b seen as negative how about someone saying something positive.
Your confusing them by telling them they confused.
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Posted: Wednesday February 21st, 2007 22:21 |
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Vixxen1985 wrote: Why has everything to do with being mixed raced gotta b seen as negative how about someone saying something positive.
Your confusing them by telling them they confused.
I'll say this,some mixed race people are doing a good job in helping those with less. Alicia Keys, David James are good examples.
Alicia Keys did not have to come here, to this small town outside of Durban on South Africa’s eastern coast, where the infection rate from HIV/AIDS is believed to be twice the national average: 40 percent of the people in this part of the country are infected.
http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=168584
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Posted: Wednesday February 21st, 2007 22:23 |
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AND......................
I DONT THINK MIXED RACE PEOPLE TEND TO BE BETTER LOOKING, FIRSTLY MIXED PEOPLE COME IN ALL DIFFERENT SHADES AND HAIR TEXTURES JUST LIKE BLACKS, SO WHAT R U ON ABOUT....
I JUST THINK EVERYONE SHOULD BE HAPPY AND PROUD OF WHAT AND WHO THEY R...
IVE SAID IT B4, BEAUTY COMES IN ALL DIFFERENT FLAVOURS AS DOES UGLINESS...
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Posted: Wednesday February 21st, 2007 22:36 |
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the soul machine wrote: nikita wrote:
I consider them to be what they are, mixed race. To be honest I dont really trust them I have come across too many mixed race people who identify as black but think they are better because of their european features. But I blame black people for giving them that superiority complex because we are the ones who have placed them on a pedal stall because of their european resemblence but thats another story.
aint that the truth. aint got nothing against these people. the issue is about us blks and how we view them.you summed it up in my opinion. besides if we never tollerated their vain superiority they wouldnt have power.
NOT ALL MIXED RACE BUT I HAVE TO ADMIT A LOT DO..... SOMETIMES JUST NOT PEOPLE WHO ARE HALF BLACK HALF WHITE.... U GOT COOLIES LIKE THAT TOO. THOUGH THEM LOT AINT EVEN THAT BAD...
YOU NEED TO CHECK OUT SOME OF LATINO/HISPANIC WEBSITES, THE INDIAN WEBSITES, SOMALION WEBSITES, ARAB WEBSITES, CHINESE WEBSITES.. THESE PEOPLE GOT WORDS FOR BLACKS IN THEIR LANGUAGES... ITS PROPAR BAD ... RACIST..... IM TELLING YOU THESE NON WHITES ARE WORSE THAN WHITE PEOPLE IM SORRY...
THERE ARE A FEW MIXED WEBSITES, ONE IN PARTICULAR DEDICATED TO PEOPLE WHO ARE HALF WHITE AND HALF SOUTH EAST ASIAN (LIKE KOREAN, JAPANESE, CHINESE, PHILIPINO) THEM PEOPLE THINK THEY R THE sh*t IM TELLING U... LOL
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Posted: Wednesday February 21st, 2007 23:00 |
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Gmahogany. wrote:
Wow Dark Prince! That's the longest post I've ever seen from you. Lots of food for thought. I'm too tired to respond right now, I'll get back atcha in the am, nighty night...
Ehem, I have made far longer post and I don't think there was so much food thought...though I am somewhat exeausted, I will respond to whatvere respons ypu will write later. Haven't been sleepin for two days as well as working and practicing martial arts, so I need some rest...bye
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Posted: Wednesday February 21st, 2007 23:13 |
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curvymama wrote: AND......................
I DONT THINK MIXED RACE PEOPLE TEND TO BE BETTER LOOKING, FIRSTLY MIXED PEOPLE COME IN ALL DIFFERENT SHADES AND HAIR TEXTURES JUST LIKE BLACKS, SO WHAT R U ON ABOUT....
I JUST THINK EVERYONE SHOULD BE HAPPY AND PROUD OF WHAT AND WHO THEY R...
IVE SAID IT B4, BEAUTY COMES IN ALL DIFFERENT FLAVOURS AS DOES UGLINESS...
Who are you refering this to? Because I never said anything about looks.I don't know how you came to that conclusion.
I was giving an example of some positive instead of negative.
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Posted: Thursday February 22nd, 2007 00:36 |
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sunnyflower wrote: curvymama wrote: AND......................
I DONT THINK MIXED RACE PEOPLE TEND TO BE BETTER LOOKING, FIRSTLY MIXED PEOPLE COME IN ALL DIFFERENT SHADES AND HAIR TEXTURES JUST LIKE BLACKS, SO WHAT R U ON ABOUT....
I JUST THINK EVERYONE SHOULD BE HAPPY AND PROUD OF WHAT AND WHO THEY R...
IVE SAID IT B4, BEAUTY COMES IN ALL DIFFERENT FLAVOURS AS DOES UGLINESS...
Who are you refering this to? Because I never said anything about looks.I don't know how you came to that conclusion.
I was giving an example of some positive instead of negative.
I WAS ACTUALLY RESPONDING TO ACKEE AND SALTFISH
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Posted: Thursday February 22nd, 2007 00:55 |
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curvymama wrote: sunnyflower wrote: curvymama wrote: AND......................
I DONT THINK MIXED RACE PEOPLE TEND TO BE BETTER LOOKING, FIRSTLY MIXED PEOPLE COME IN ALL DIFFERENT SHADES AND HAIR TEXTURES JUST LIKE BLACKS, SO WHAT R U ON ABOUT....
I JUST THINK EVERYONE SHOULD BE HAPPY AND PROUD OF WHAT AND WHO THEY R...
IVE SAID IT B4, BEAUTY COMES IN ALL DIFFERENT FLAVOURS AS DOES UGLINESS...
Who are you refering this to? Because I never said anything about looks.I don't know how you came to that conclusion.
I was giving an example of some positive instead of negative.
I WAS ACTUALLY RESPONDING TO ACKEE AND SALTFISH
I Apologize then.
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Posted: Thursday February 22nd, 2007 03:15 |
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The only confusing thing I see in this arguement is the use and true meaning of "black and white". How can we expect to label an individual based on a system of pseudo-categories? Black and white does not address ethnicity AT ALL. It is used mainly to categorize the PHENOTYPE of an individual. African and black are not synonymous, and neither should be european and white. Genotype affects phenotype but it can never be the other way around: ex. if there are two mixed race people (both mixed with black and white) and one is much lighter almost to the point of looking white and the other is darker, to the point of look black, they are both equally African (as they share half of their DNA w/an African parent) but obviously not equally "black". make sense? this is just all my opinion btw lol.
On a personal note on this issue, I do believe that while everyone has a self identity, we all also possess an identity that reflects society's outward perception of us, and as much as we don't like to admit it, we are well aware of it and it can even affect our self-identity.
Personally I regard myself as mixed-race, but I am not uncomfortable or confused if others see me as black, although I might be if someone ever tried to call me white. I know I am part African and part European, and that's REAL...regardless of what I look like to others.
*edited to add that I also identify strongly with my West African culture, something alot of people in this country (U.S.) do not pick up on.
People often subconsciously transfer their own confusion of others' identities to those people then have the nerve to comment on that person's "identity crisis" lol.
Being bi-racial and bi-culture should probably make me among the most "confused" but I know what my favorite food is, I have my own style, I know that my favorite color is orange, I got my sarcasm from my [euro father], my deep compassion and deeper brown eyes from my [African] mother, my shyness from my [euro] grandfather, my sense of humor from my [African] grandfather etc. etc.. i'm fine, thankyou and about as confused as any other 22 year old human being.  
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Posted: Thursday February 22nd, 2007 06:23 |
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Afriki wrote: The only confusing thing I see in this arguement is the use and true meaning of "black and white". How can we expect to label an individual based on a system of pseudo-categories? Black and white does not address ethnicity AT ALL. It is used mainly to categorize the PHENOTYPE of an individual. African and black are not synonymous, and neither should be european and white. Genotype affects phenotype but it can never be the other way around: ex. if there are two mixed race people (both mixed with black and white) and one is much lighter almost to the point of looking white and the other is darker, to the point of look black, they are both equally African (as they share half of their DNA w/an African parent) but obviously not equally "black". make sense? this is just all my opinion btw lol.
On a personal note on this issue, I do believe that while everyone has a self identity, we all also possess an identity that reflects society's outward perception of us, and as much as we don't like to admit it, we are well aware of it and it can even affect our self-identity.
Personally I regard myself as mixed-race, but I am not uncomfortable or confused if others see me as black, although I might be if someone ever tried to call me white. I know I am part African and part European, and that's REAL...regardless of what I look like to others.
*edited to add that I also identify strongly with my West African culture, something alot of people in this country (U.S.) do not pick up on.
People often subconsciously transfer their own confusion of others' identities to those people then have the nerve to comment on that person's "identity crisis" lol.
Being bi-racial and bi-culture should probably make me among the most "confused" but I know what my favorite food is, I have my own style, I know that my favorite color is orange, I got my sarcasm from my [euro father], my deep compassion and deeper brown eyes from my [African] mother, my shyness from my [euro] grandfather, my sense of humor from my [African] grandfather etc. etc.. i'm fine, thankyou and about as confused as any other 22 year old human being.
It was about time someone gave a personal account on this matter; some people are just working with assumption here, thanks for educating us Afriki.
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Posted: Thursday February 22nd, 2007 08:30 |
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When you were a teenager, did you sometimes wish that you were white? And if yes, in what situations? How did that affect your relationship with people around you?
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Posted: Thursday February 22nd, 2007 19:41 |
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I take people on a case by case basis. that's the only way I can treat people
But as a collective group of people though, it can be argued that mixed race people are the historic nemesis of black peoples throughout the ages
It could be argued that wherever mixed people have emerged in great number, black people have subsequently declined
Make of that what you will
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Posted: Thursday February 22nd, 2007 22:43 |
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Most of this thread seems to be about just black/white
I'm half indian and half jamican. Ill agree mixed raced people are confused (espeically black/white) but its not thier fault, its NON mixed people who cause the problem by expecting them to fit it to one race or the other.
I used to try an fit in with more black peope because i knew white people will never see me as white ( this is not anything to do with the fact im NOT white at all because most people assume im black/white, espeically whites) , but black people will treat me almost the same as they would another black person. However i grew up and realised ;
1) Black people can be just as racist towards mixed raced people as whites can. (which is sad because i thought they where an 'accepting race' but i guess thier human!)
2) 'People of colour' does not mean a damn thing because 'separate' races all hate each other i.e indians hate blacks..
3) I have to feel sorry for all those mixed raced people who try and fit in with half of who they are all thier life because non mixed people cant accept/are scared of what they dont understand.
3) All of the above are genrelised and of course thier are people of all different 'colours' that are not ignorant, so its does not apply to them.
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Posted: Friday February 23rd, 2007 02:23 |
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Gmahogany. wrote: Interesting. I don't see the word as negative. I use it interchangeably with African, African American, etc.
Well in my parents native languafge it isn't. But in most euro language anything with the dark as pefix is bad, bad, bad. With that said I still use it all the freaking time and don't punch people in the face (a bad habit I had, during my teens, I was ready to duke it with fists when people used various versions "negro" to verbally abuse me) for using it. Above all, my skin colour is actually brown, so if you are to refer to me or my people (even darkest africans are actually a shade of darkbrown) why not do it correctly ?
Of course, it doesn't make sense. It never did. That's beside the point, though. Everyone here is acting as if ALL white folks did was SAY thus and so, and we accepted it. For the umpteenth time, they had/have(to some extent), the POWER to implement/enforce/institutionalize their SAYSO. It doesn't matter if setting up a society on a cockeyed racial premise makes sense, is fair, is logical or anything else. Hitler's musings on racial purity and Jews didn't make sense(hell, some say HE was part Jewish), but any Jewish person who sat around trying to ARGUE/DEBATE that("I'm not Jewish Mr. Hitler, I'm German"), and there were some who did, instead of developing a strategy, and getting the hell out of Dodge, was a damn fool, and likely a dead fool.
I agree, whole heartedly. I am aware (duh) that white folks had some sort of power to implement this system and thought.That's not what I am disputing. What we have here is an attempt to change this already corrupt system by making it so that biracial are not black. I mean it's inherent in this very system that biracials are black or at least not YT (remember there is no such thing as a "0,5 YT" ). But is the situation the same today. I have propsed forcin our own view...the jews go by the mother for instance the arabs by the father. YT, both.
And it makes sense for them to hold on to those self identifications in THOSE environments, as long as it works for them(though whether it continues to work for them,is debateable). My point was, once our ancestors ended up in the bottom of those ships, shackled together, irrespective of their previous ethnic identifications/cultral disparities(being controlled by folks who didnt' give a sh*t about such distinctions and treated them ALL equally, horrendusly), to continue to focus on that and not ADAPT to their CURRENT situation, would have been idiotic and sucicidal.
I agree. And I think need to make it clear you. I have grown up in household which fed hundreds of african stundents from all over africa, with a different religoiuns at all. We didn't give a f**k about such shyt, cause in Eurpe we are all N****rs. Yep, I said it. Even in my family when somebody start some "tribal talk", I get uneasy because as reality stands that just bullshyt (despite that my tribe has been very influential in terms of african civiliastion etc). Even though I don't live in a nation that's "racist" or so (we more or less "lack" the institutionlised racism the goverment has been doing some interesting shyt such banning "negro balls" as offensive and the people listen to government ans thus very few refer to choclad balls as such, also we are avery socialist nation, I can tell you more via MPM or whatvere they call it) compared to the shyt you go through, I have always seen myself as "black" (though I prefer not to be seen as merely that) and never ever been ashamed (well when some peeps emberras themselves I feel shame, because it will come back at me and people will rant about it,like the time when a kenyan teacher on TV said that african kids needed to be hit/smac | | | |
