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Posted: Monday July 10th, 2006 22:24 |
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http://www.eueweb.com-story-eur27288.cfm
Correction
http://www.eurweb.com/story/eur27288.cfm
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Posted: Wednesday July 12th, 2006 12:16 |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p96aaTSdrAE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWeLiXHcSyU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azfEeDRvdlc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m67P2kT7TzQ
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Posted: Wednesday July 12th, 2006 12:26 |
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| Yes it is.
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Posted: Wednesday July 12th, 2006 12:46 |
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| Yes, but it is South Asians (P*kistani especially etc) that sell it in the UK
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Posted: Wednesday July 12th, 2006 12:51 |
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Its a worldwide story that African women have been brainwashed into thinking that their hair is not acceptable in its natural state and must be texturised or have artificial/donkey hair glued on..
So there you have it. A virtual industry created through self hate and not even capitilised on by those who seek to change so much.
I just wonder what black women done for 10,000 years + before these chemicals were available. Were 90% of black women unhappy with their hair in previous times.
Dont think so somehow.
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Posted: Wednesday July 12th, 2006 13:09 |
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The sheer volume of sistas I see frequenting these stores is depressing. Everytime I go to Birmingham I see people STILL frequenting that Beauty Queens shop despite what occured in October.
The Koreans in the states and P*kistanis in the UK are profiting off our community bigtime while all we're doing is frying our hair to look good on a Saturday night. It wouldn't even be as bad if we were getting rich of it ourselves but all we do is pour our hard earned money into every other community and ain't got sh*t to show for it. Yet if we were to start opening our own stores, everybody will be quick to boycott those because of the 'attitude' of the person behind the counter.
At least I've been seeing a lot of women with natural hairstyles lately which is a good thing.
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Posted: Wednesday July 12th, 2006 13:20 |
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Mansamusa, Yeah I agree with you especially of the economics of the industry is not even benefiting those it is made for but it can be difficuly when its rammed down your throat. Take the magazine Pride for example, is a contradictory magazine in itself because its articles try and promote 'uplifting articles' (*cough*) but its adverts promotes nothing but hair relaxers, although this is much to do with the magazine's finances and that other companies do not want to advertise in their magazine, due to its disregard of the black pound it is still an issue.
Now while I don't particularly see hair relaxer as a form of self -hatred any more than I see natural hair as a form of conciousness, I do however, have issue with focus of good hair/bad hair, 'picky hair' 'straight hair 'good hair is white hair', this does need to stop mainly within our community although reinforced by these outside influences.
As much as I hate to admit this there was a woman in the documentary who had a point that black people are not united when it comes to money and this is a problem unlike other communities. Boycotting, and re routing money so it benefits are own communities may not be ideal but its a dman sight better that somebody else getting our money. I do believe that this lack of unitedness is down to the tragedy of slavery and that the environment of community broke down because of this hence, this focus on so called 'good hair' and wanting to be like 'massa'.
I wonder at times if slavery had never existed would this have been a problem? Probably not
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Posted: Wednesday July 12th, 2006 13:36 |
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An_Advanced_Spark wrote:
I wonder at times if slavery had never existed would this have been a problem? Probably not
Of course it wouldn't be.
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Posted: Wednesday July 12th, 2006 13:50 |
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| *Chops Ph In the Neck*
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Posted: Wednesday July 12th, 2006 13:56 |
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An_Advanced_Spark wrote:
Now while I don't particularly see hair relaxer as a form of self -hatred any more than I see natural hair as a form of conciousness, I do however, have issue with focus of good hair/bad hair, 'picky hair' 'straight hair 'good hair is white hair', this does need to stop mainly within our community although reinforced by these outside influences.
I see what you mean about the hair indicators. But I see it this way. While not every woman who sports natural hair is so called concious / and vice versa/ the self hatred has become so widespread and such a norm that its a case of if 90% of black women have false or chemicalised hair/ then within that 90% you will have concious and non concious. The subset has become almost the whole.
Let me put another analogy. If 90% of black women bleached their skin/ and it was a norm as is hair straightening/ then no doubt it could be said that not every one of those 90% who bleach are doing it for self hate reasons. Likewise not everybody who doesnt bleach is concious. It would be just people trying to fit into what are "normal" ways of being. But the norm itself is an expression of self hatred whether conciously applied or not. We have made the bizzare and unhealthy normal. Self hatred has become a norm.
So you would get the case of people saying " I know my roots/ Im not brainwashed/ its just that bleaching makes my skin more...blah blah 100 diffrent reasons...". Of course those who dont bleach could be the biggest slave minded fools that existed. Dosent disprove the act though. Blecahing and hair straightening is a form of self hatred. The only thing that fools most people into thinking there is nothing profoundly wrong IMO is that it has become a norm. Just as for some young brothers in the world / selling drugs to make a living has become a norm within their confined communities. Dosent mean the brother who deosnt sell drugs is any more concious than the ordinary joe. Dosent change the morality of the act though..
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Posted: Wednesday July 12th, 2006 14:08 |
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An_Advanced_Spark wrote: *Chops Ph In the Neck*
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Posted: Wednesday July 12th, 2006 14:45 |
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That's a good analogy and I understand your point, but when this element has been so deep rooted in the psyche of those that invest in the industry what kind of action can you take?
@ PH for you....
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Posted: Wednesday July 12th, 2006 15:18 |
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The only way it will change is when black people control their own media and education that can push the African view of what is desirable in a human being to Africans. How else can we explain the fact that in any black country within the world hair straightening is a norm and skin bleaching is a problem.
Until black people stop digesting white culture in their every waking moment nothing will change. Look when I went to Kenya I was amazed by the amount of American soaps operas and programs that dominate the televison. Indigineous dramas were few and far between. So if we are prepared to have white people constantly pushed in front of us as standards of beauty nothing will change. You cannot change mainstream Western society but we can have ontrol over our own media and popint out when its not promoting a healthy point of view.
Trouble is 80% of women dont see it as a problem.
Our problem is primarily cultural. And it hasnt and is not presently being addressed. Its nothing to do with economics as far as Im concerned. Because the black man or woman who gets rich off hair straightners and blaching creams is essentially a pimp.
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Posted: Wednesday July 12th, 2006 17:01 |
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Just finished watching part 1 of the video, and the owner of Kizure made an interesting comment. She said (paraphrasing), "We took them [the Koreans] as our friends, and didn't think they would take over".
This is a huge problem we have. We are always trying to make friends with Asians, Latinos, Italians, Arabs, or who ever, when in actuality they are only out for themselves and will step on us whenever they get the chance.
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Posted: Wednesday July 12th, 2006 17:28 |
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After looking at part 3, the owner of Clintex, Steve Luster, made an important comment. He said that he doesn't blame the Koreans, but Blacks for not educating each other about economics. I respect the brother for not casting so much blame on others, and advocating accountability within the Black race.
One thing that bothered me about this part of the video is the last brother says a large media compaign needs to happen to orchestrate a boycott. Some forms of media may be necessary, but Blacks need to get out of the habit of broadcasting all of our goals, hopes, dreams, and ambitions to Whites, Asians, Latinos and whoever else all so it is easier for them to plot to foil our plans. I would like to see us simply operate a devised plan without a broadcasted demonstration.
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Posted: Wednesday July 12th, 2006 17:33 |
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| Now only if we could get our people off the creamy crack (relaxer) and the Eurocentric standard of beauty then many of these problems would disappear.
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Posted: Wednesday July 12th, 2006 18:01 |
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| You would not see Black women participate in a thread that discusses how they are causing detriment to their own natural hair via relaxers. Strong minded indeed.
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Posted: Wednesday July 12th, 2006 19:22 |
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| Oh obal, please be quiet. First of all, someone already started a thread disscussing these same videos and there were many replies from both men and woman. We have already seen the videos, so why discuss they same old thing twice? Last edited on Wednesday July 12th, 2006 20:39 by liberiangirl
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Posted: Wednesday July 12th, 2006 19:32 |
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@Liberian Girl,
Take off your weave for good.
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Posted: Wednesday July 12th, 2006 19:38 |
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And......you would know whether or not I wear weave how exactly?
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Posted: Wednesday July 12th, 2006 19:44 |
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| Its no rocket science. Just like millions of men everywhere, i can tell if a woman wears a weave and can also tell if a black woman wears her hair in its natural state like Black women rightly should.
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Posted: Wednesday July 12th, 2006 19:57 |
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Ok obal, go ahead with your telepathic self. 
http://www.blackchat.co.uk/theblackforum/view_topic.php?id=20076&forum_id=3
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Posted: Wednesday July 12th, 2006 20:25 |
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obal85 wrote: Its no rocket science. Just like millions of men everywhere, i can tell if a woman wears a weave and can also tell if a black woman wears her hair in its natural state like Black women rightly should.
you're probably one of those hypocrites who lust after those black women who may wear their hair natural...but are mixed with white or indian and dont even have the kind of hair anyone would consider relaxing. do you stroke it and comment on how 'pretty' is it?
or you one of the kind that talks about wanting black women to wear their hair natural, but just use that as an excuse to attack black women? rather than any genuine desire to actually see the natural hair of any black woman?
see you probably dont even really like black women at all and just take any opportunity to say something bad about them. if it isnt weave then its something else they are doing wrong.
what i find quite interesting is that so many women have weaves, braids, or relax their hair yet all these guys saying they dont like unnatural hair. who dates these women, because black men dont appear to find women attractive who have these styles? are black men dating black women they dont actually find attractive then? because if you are a man who finds anything other than the natural look to be unappealing you dont have as much choice of women in this country. very, very, very, few young women (18-40yrs) wear their natural african hair (especially of the coarser, thicker more tightly coiled texture) in its natural state, with no false hair added. very few.
a visit to any major uk city where there are many black women will tell you that is a FACT.
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Posted: Wednesday July 12th, 2006 20:34 |
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bubz wrote:
what i find quite interesting is that so many women have weaves, braids, or relax their hair yet all these guys saying they dont like unnatural hair. who dates these women, because black men dont appear to find women attractive who have these styles? are black men dating black women they dont actually find attractive then? because if you are a man who finds anything other than the natural look to be unappealing you dont have as much choice of women in this country. very, very, very, few young women (18-40yrs) wear their natural african hair (especially of the coarser, thicker more tightly coiled texture) in its natural state, with no false hair added. very few.
Hmmmm....since the vast majority of African women are trying to look like cave-dwellers, then these same women shouldn't say anything when those men pursue White women as well.
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Posted: Wednesday July 12th, 2006 21:18 |
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So black girls think straight here is better and shows it in their shopping but wonder why brothers run off?
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