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Posted: Thursday June 2nd, 2005 09:11 |
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what is succesful^^^
what do you mean by a sucessful black man
Do u mean havng million in the account ?
Do you mean having a solid education and earning 20,000k a year?
Do you mean high school drop out turn succesful sports man?
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Posted: Wednesday June 8th, 2005 14:02 |
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YankeeJamaRican wrote: 
Oh, I see... half caste is therefore NOT Black. So we can get the skin and hair and love our Black mothers and get the harassment and prejudice and get called N****r and educate ourselves and endeavor to lift the race by example, but are never really Black enough.
OK, "purebreds", who can genetically map ALL of their ancestors back to Africa??
I have had this tired ass argument too many times to count. Get a grip. One of my favorite moments on TV was on a BBC documentary about Afro/Carib/Brits who participated in a genetic study to trace their DNA back to Africa. A dark skinned Brother proudly proclaimed that he will be ecstatic to find that his lineage goes back to the Dark princes of the Motherland. Turned out that genetically he was more European than Black. Hmmmm...
As far as Ashley and his chav trash crumpet, he is simply doing what is expected of him in this country. Hands up to any rich, successful Black man in the UK with a Black wife? Anyone?
Oh. 
What is so hard to understand. Half caste/mixed race are exactly what their name suggests.
Offcoures the black community accepts mixed races as one of the own (just like the white should but don't.) But let's get it clear, IT is up to the black community to accept others into their fold and not for others to impose themselves ontohe black race. Being that we all get tarred by the same brush (punn intended) we are happy to come together for the good of the darker skins. But I often find that it is the mix races within the black community that are redefining what are referred to as black features - Which is wholly wrong in my book... a mix race person has mixed race features.... End off!!!! I'm a black man i don't want to be told our noses is too broad or my lips are too big... that's normal. If your black and you have a narrow nose and thin lips then THAT'S the abnormality... if you white or mixed then that normal.
ps... A lot of men go for women who remind them of their mother's ...why should Ashely's coles case be any different.
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Posted: Thursday June 9th, 2005 09:07 |
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Oh, I see... half caste is therefore NOT Black. So we can get the skin and hair and love our Black mothers and get the harassment and prejudice and get called N****r and educate ourselves and endeavor to lift the race by example, but are never really Black enough. Just because you face discrimination like black people does not mean that you should ignore the non-black part of you and act as if it doesn't exist. We can't do anything about black diasporans who have no way of tracing their ancestory but if right now you have a mother or father who is not black, then why should you call yourself black? Does it make any sense to you? How can you look at your non-black parent whose genes you share and proclaim that you are a black person?
I'm sorry but I don't understand the attitude some mixed race people have. I've always wondered how someone like Halle Berry can go around calling herself black when she has a white mother who raised her without a single help from her father. You shouldn't base your race on political or cultural terms, it should be based on genes. A person with one black parent and one white parent, should consider himself mixed, not black, period.
Black diasporans' acceptance of mixed race people as black has done nothing but cause confusion in the black race. The category for black has become ridiculously broad. Black Africans are already the most diverse people on earth, we have the San who look like Orientals with dark skin, East Africans who look like Arabs with dark skin and bigger foreheads, we can't even keep ourselves straight. Now we have to take in every half black person with half black features. This is becoming too much. Once upon a time, I though black people were supposed to look like this:
this
and this:
Now, I'm being told that I must also accept this:
and this
as black as well.
I'm sorry but everytime I look at Vanessa Williams and Alicia Keys, I see mixed race or even white women, never black. Vanessa Williams has light coloured eyes but that is not the reason why she looks so white. Some Nigerians, who are pure black, also have light coloured eyes and yet they still look black to me. I've never thought of them as anything other than West Africans, yet I fail to see the blackness in Vanessa Williams and Alicia Keys. I don't want to sound like I'm rejecting mixed race people but we need to draw the line somewhere. We can't have every person with 5% black blood in them going around calling themself black, it just brings too much confusion. Diversity is good but too much of it will only erode group cohesion. What can I, a black African with 100% black blood ,possibly have in common with someone who, for instance, claims black, Irish, and Mexican heritage, espeically when we look nothing like one another?
Black is a race not an ethnicity like Hispanic and should be treated likewise. I don't see white people and Oriental rushing to claim the likes of Alicia Keys and Amarie yet some black people hunt these people down like a pack of hungry wolfs. We really need to ask ourselves why there are people in this race who feel compelled to claim any part black person as their own. I think some of us are hoping that the non-black blood which runs through the veins of these mixed people will someone make us better as a people. You can't tell me that 400 years of being told that you are inferior, of living in a culture made for whites and by whites, has had no impact on the way we view ourselves and the eagerness that we have in accepting anything that is partly white. How come Africans can separate themselves from mixed people but diasporans can't. No one is inforcing the one-drop rule yet we still abid by it.
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Posted: Thursday June 9th, 2005 09:23 |
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 - Totally agree!
When I watched Hip Hop Candy on MTV Base the Black african casting director said the typical look of a RnB/Hip Hop Girl was mixed raced - since when? Since society has decided 0.1% of african blood in your veins makes you black. NO IT DOESN'T!
My parents are from two different caribbean islands, i cannot claim to be from one more than the other for fear of insulting one parent. If your mixed race why would you claim to be black and totally ignore half of your entire heritage!? As someone said not even caribbean people can clalm to be from 100% african ancestors, so how can a mixed race person even dare to associate themselves totally with Africa!?
People berrated Tiger Woods when he said he wasn't black, but he isnt! and we don't want him anyway!
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Posted: Thursday June 9th, 2005 10:40 |
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Fair enough if that person is half-white and far out of touch with either one of their parent's cultures. But for those of us Afro-Caribbean-Latino (insert euphemism here) who are being told that Latino isn't a race (agreed- but an acknowledged amalgam of african slaves, native "indians" and caucasians), who phenotypically appear of African ancestry and are culturally so far removed from Europeans, can be selectively argued as Black or non-Black is just nonsensical.
Based on what? Features? Measured and quantified blood lines? We'd lose half this board on those merits alone.
Now with the skewed and subjective definitions going on here, we better line up our definitions of "Black" before any cohesion dissipates before us. If this is AfricanChat fair enough to say 100% anything, but to say that anything less does not make you "Black" is laughable to anyone born in the Americas or Europe.
I am not half-white or running around with "0.1%" blood, but I say be careful when you say 100% Black (to those non-Africans) because the fellow on the BBC had a rude awakening.
Lord help the half-whites, half-asian, half- anything because they have no right to claim themselves. I fully agree with embracing your ancestors and educating yourself about BOTH of your parents cultures. But please don't tell these people to bugger off to limbo with the awkwardness of their situations.
What i see here is elitism, pure and simple. We have to draw the line at what? Somebody please come up with some method of objective classification so you can happily send off the half-white members of this board to the race of your choosing.
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Posted: Thursday June 9th, 2005 11:01 |
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Ancestors aside, i'm talking about the right here and now.
I may well have some lineage in Germany or whatever but i'm never going to stand in the middle of Berlin and claim to be German, nor would i expect Germans to accept me as 'oneof them' when my German heritage lies thousand of years before my birth.
My online Surname is my true name, indicating that my heritage lies in Latin America somewhere, however, this surname has been in my family for generations, family that dwell in Bermuda where I was born. Am I not Bermudian? Am i not black, must i banish myself to Spain or something, NO!
I'm black beacuse my parents and their parents and their parents are black, if i take it way back who knows where we all originated. My point is, if you're mixed race (black and white) then acknowledge what you are, what you see in the mirror everyday. It's just plain wrong to affliate yourself with one more than the other. And unfair for you to expect Black people (people with two black parents) to see you as the same when you are not.
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Posted: Thursday June 9th, 2005 12:01 |
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... agreed, but your assumption is that a) all mixed race people see themselves as exclusively one or other b) they should exist in some indefinable void and c) their agendas couldn't possibly be comparable to yours.
I am just saying don't jump on them to say "not Black!" until we are clear about exactly what Blackness is... a dissertation unto itself.
I am tired of seeing this "Blacker than Thou" business... but hey, it's just a board after all, so dissect away.
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Posted: Thursday June 9th, 2005 12:53 |
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 Blackpresident wrote: YankeeJamaRican wrote:
Oh, I see... half caste is therefore NOT Black. So we can get the skin and hair and love our Black mothers and get the harassment and prejudice and get called N****r and educate ourselves and endeavor to lift the race by example, but are never really Black enough.
OK, "purebreds", who can genetically map ALL of their ancestors back to Africa??
I have had this tired ass argument too many times to count. Get a grip. One of my favorite moments on TV was on a BBC documentary about Afro/Carib/Brits who participated in a genetic study to trace their DNA back to Africa. A dark skinned Brother proudly proclaimed that he will be ecstatic to find that his lineage goes back to the Dark princes of the Motherland. Turned out that genetically he was more European than Black. Hmmmm...
As far as Ashley and his chav trash crumpet, he is simply doing what is expected of him in this country. Hands up to any rich, successful Black man in the UK with a Black wife? Anyone?
Oh.
What is so hard to understand. Half caste/mixed race are exactly what their name suggests.
Offcoures the black community accepts mixed races as one of the own (just like the white should but don't.) But let's get it clear, IT is up to the black community to accept others into their fold and not for others to impose themselves ontohe black race. Being that we all get tarred by the same brush (punn intended) we are happy to come together for the good of the darker skins. But I often find that it is the mix races within the black community that are redefining what are referred to as black features - Which is wholly wrong in my book... a mix race person has mixed race features.... End off!!!! I'm a black man i don't want to be told our noses is too broad or my lips are too big... that's normal. If your black and you have a narrow nose and thin lips then THAT'S the abnormality... if you white or mixed then that normal.
ps... A lot of men go for women who remind them of their mother's ...why should Ashely's coles case be any different.
Well said Black President, also, what I tend to find in the media, as well as amongst our own is that Mixed-Raced people are often posed as the acceptable face of Blackness!! which really really worries me! If you are darker than they are or have a very defined black features, then you are looked upon as some freak.....by your very own Black people
P.S. more pictures of the late great Mr Kuti please Black President.
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Posted: Thursday June 9th, 2005 13:04 |
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So where does that leave people who have parents of both colour? The way some ppl are speaking, it's like if you're not 100% black you're "not one of us" but at the same time you're not viewed as being white either...
My dad is mixed race and my mum is white. So what does that make me??
Anyway about Cheryl Tweedy, she was said to have called the toilet attendant a "jigaboo" not a "n****r", whatever that means, but she got found innocent of saying it.
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Posted: Thursday June 9th, 2005 13:14 |
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Your mixed race, why is this so hard to understand??
If both your parents are black then your black
If both your parents are white then your white
If one is black and one is white then your mixed
If one is mixed and one is white then your mixed
If one is black and one is mixed then your mixed
If a horse mates with an elephant what are their offspring called A horse? an elephant? No! A cross breed and that's what you guys are! half of, a cross between, not one or the other, MIXED!
And if you guys wanna blame someone for you not being accepted by either side...blame your damn parents!
Cheryl Tweedy is racist, she was found innocent because she has money - simple.
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Posted: Thursday June 9th, 2005 13:29 |
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So are we discussing aesthetic features here or race? If the mixed race child has dark brown skin, full lips, broad nose and semi-curly hair, they are to look in the mirror everyday and say "nope, not "black" I'll go skip along with the Mixed race"?
Not everybody is a Halle or Vanessa, so let's not confuse the issue of MEDIA manipulation of image with that of how diasporans themselves define blackness and how there seems to be degrees of blackness promoted.
I have yet to hear a cogent argument as to what a "Black " diasporan actually is. Please educate me, that's why I am here... not for applause icons.
How can Africans separate themselves and not diasporans, because it can't be done without ridiculous segmentation. Hitler's "scientists" came up with quack classifications and I am hearing no better here.
What next... a BlackOnlyIfBothYourParentsAreDarkSkinnedChat.Net?
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Posted: Thursday June 9th, 2005 13:38 |
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JohnM, haven't you heard?... you need a membership card. You are mixed, not Black. The authorities say so, so run along and get some DNA testing.
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Posted: Thursday June 9th, 2005 13:53 |
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Seriously i'm baffled! What is the problem?
My cousin has a mixed raced daughter. Her skin is white, her nose broad, her lips full, her hair very thick curly and blond.
Now, if like her mother she had caramel brown skin, thick but straight hair, full nose and thick lips she would still be mixed race would she not?
Really it is not my fault that you are mixed, you obviously have a problem with it, but don't associate your insecurities about your race onto me. If you feel like being unable to call yourself black (or white) puts you in some sort of racial or cultural 'limbo' then thats on you. You are half black, half of your ancestors are african no doubt, why not celebrate this instead of worrying about what other people call you.
People like you always complain, but when society comes down on 'dark' black people as they often do i bet your glad for the piece of light skin your white parent gave you!!!
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Posted: Thursday June 9th, 2005 14:23 |
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Okay, get this straight, I am not half white! The mix goes back and well, if you want to split hairs with me, get a genealogist on board. No priviledge or insecurity here... and the complex I am addressing is YOUR superiority complex. You don't even know the story of all the nameless, faceless people on here
I am just saying, don't sh*t where you eat...and stop alienating mixed race people to make yourself feel inclusive.
<<People like you always complain, but when society comes down on 'dark' black people as they often do i bet your glad for the pece of light skin your white parent gave you!!! >> Damn skippy, I put on blue contacts and run....(yawn) Do you even know wtf I look like, do you know my family and friends?
You can argue back and forth until you are blue in the face, your definition of how you see ME doesn't matter a rass to how I have formed my identity. I didnt come here for your permission to be Black.
Can we move on to a more academic discussion?
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Posted: Thursday June 9th, 2005 20:41 |
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johnm wrote: So where does that leave people who have parents of both colour? The way some ppl are speaking, it's like if you're not 100% black you're "not one of us" but at the same time you're not viewed as being white either...
My dad is mixed race and my mum is white. So what does that make me??
Anyway about Cheryl Tweedy, she was said to have called the toilet attendant a "jigaboo" not a "n****r", whatever that means, but she got found innocent of saying it.
Either way she's f***ing racist slut. Jigaboo a derogatory term used against black people.
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Posted: Friday June 10th, 2005 09:08 |
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JohnM,
Let's put it this way, if I heard her say 'Jigaboo', they'd be extracting her head from my fist and you know damned well I would definitely end up in jail.
It's damn near the N* word in the States.
Chav trash, that's what he's marrying.
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Posted: Saturday June 11th, 2005 22:59 |
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| i cant be bothered to think about ashley cole and his off key mind any more... i hope he reads this thread, or someone tells him about it. they say love is blind...but it aint that blinding. this chick called the toilet attendent a jigaboo-and he still 'loves' her??? thats one confused man. either that or he's too scared to be with a black girl
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Posted: Sunday June 12th, 2005 11:52 |
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what did u expect? he plays for Arsenal (lol i'm taking a piss)
anyway, i say good for them
that fugly , skank looking, non talented racist broad called cheryl doesn't interest me in any way, shape or form
as for Ashley self-hatred Cole, he is nothing but a pathetic, greedy lame con of a football player.
so it's a match made in heaven 
they deserve themselves equally....
but a hope the b**ch won't ask black women to do her kid's hair...
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Posted: Sunday June 12th, 2005 19:56 |
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Aryek...a word.. I SAW Halle Berry , LIVE ON TV SAY THE FOLLOWING “ IF that is HOW PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SEE ME I guess that is what I’ll be�. Like I’ve said before when you have whites pushing mixed race away, and many blacks grabbing (not welcoming ) but grabbing them with open arms what do you expect them to do? They recognise which side their bread is buttered. same as P*kis... thay don't like blacks, many, simply because of the colour of their skin... but hang with blacks foor 'their benefit'. But given the CHOICE...what do you think yelllows would think/want? I’m not even gonna get in to that one.. ... .... .... ... .... ... ..... .... ...... .... ...... .... ....... .... .... .... ........ ........ ... .... ..... ..... ....... .... .... ...... .... ..... ....... ... .... ........ ....... . Who gives a damn about Mr yelllow getting with someone white...is that supposed to be a loss... if Tyrese gets married...a loss... if Usher gets married...a loss... but not Ashley Cole. When someone mixed says they are black I’m skeptical... 1) Because just because you grow up around blacks does not mean you are 2) How can you have white skin but be called ‘black’? If I were mixed I would look at my skin and notice how far it was from black...it is society that puts into their heads that they are black..when you see ‘yellow people’ that think independantly ..it will be a whole different story...they...however will not say anything ....just keep life ‘strictly ‘white’....friends, relationships, marriage etc etc. If many mixed race end up with whites n a society where whites 'push them away'...then how do you think it would be in a society where whites accepted them...do the math. .. ... .... .... ... .... ... ..... .... ...... .... ...... .... ....... .... .... .... ........ ........ ... .... ..... ..... ....... .... .... ...... .... ..... ....... ... .... ........ ....... . Aryek is right.... the definition of black has become ridiculously broad..it is whites definition because they base 'everything around themselves, in comparison to themselves and according to them selves', and like many b4 me have said “The black race is not a dumping ground’...we even get yellow asians saying that they are black when it is convenient for them. Everything that is not white, is black?...stop letting crackers define your world and who you are . Think... have a mind of your own... don’t let people ‘FEED’ you life....’LIVE IT’.Enough. Like it’s been said... who gives a rats dick who he marries... .. ... .... .... ... .... ... ..... .... ...... .... ...... .... ....... .... .... .... ........ ........ ... .... ..... ..... ....... .... .... ...... .... ..... ....... ... .... ........ ....... . Aryek is right... why don’t some black people stop ‘beggin yellow'...stop embarrasin yourselves... that’s why the likes of Lynsey Lohan and co think blacks are 'sprung' on them...even the ugly ones..this ridiculous level of confidence coming from another’s ‘self doubt’...enough of this BS man **KMT***...I’’m gonna go and eat some fried chicken. ***KMT***... ... .... .... ... .... ... ..... .... ...... .... ...... .... ....... .... .... .... ........ ........ ... .... ..... ..... ....... .... .... ...... .... ..... ....... ... .... ........ ....... . Oh yes John M.. to answer your question you are a ‘quadroon’... aka ‘quarter caste’ high yalla, mullatto. Talking about ‘black’ is not a matter of superiority...it is a matter of fact.. it’s time we took control... and thought straight...the black race is not a dumping ground...but who made it so...CRACKAS! If we want to ‘define ourselves’, and stop letting crackas define everything... then that is that. You don’t see yelllow people having a go at whites for their ‘ whiteness’ conclusions, even though they all do it on a ‘purity/superiority complex basis’.
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Posted: Monday June 13th, 2005 12:43 |
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Mixed race means ‘mixed loyalties’...sorry ...but its true... it is always them who have to come to the forum and defend whites...also in real life... what ever happens...point proven. They try and use their experience of their white family to represent the whole white race. We have to let them know that however their white family treats them is unrealistic and cannot be applied to every white for the obvious reasons. 1) They have their white blood in them so htis makes them more ‘accceptable’, plus they are your family, so you become somewhat the ‘execption’. They have spent time with you and have been bought up to accept you. That’s what people do...even the worst amongst us that have things we despise, may be more accepting if it is a family member who has this thing we do not like e.g. fathers who despise gays .... but have gay sons and are a little more lenient or nicer to their ‘blood’. Even I have been nice to some whites who have married into my family. ..... ....... ....... ....... ....... ....... ....... ....... ....... ...... ...... ...... ...... ...... ...... ..... ...... ..... ...... ..... ..... ...... ..... ...... ..... .... ..... .... ..... .... ..... I don’t like it when someone mixed race/non black.confused black comes along and tries to say certain blacks are wrong on many experiences and observations in society when they don’t even experience the ‘full monty’. Many mixed race.... just distort things and ‘get soft and 'delusional’ because of their ‘white loyalities’... so developing their "I'm alright jack attitudes"....and then want to apply this to all blacks and make out the blacks who CAN speak REALISTICALLY for blacks and do so, are this and that. ..... ....... ....... ....... ....... ....... ....... ....... ....... ...... ...... ...... ...... ...... ...... ..... ...... ..... ...... ..... ..... ...... ..... ...... ..... .... ..... .... ..... .... .....
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They can’t speak for anyone... don’t open your mouth and try and speak for blacks.... as so many people like to emphasize, they are ‘half and half’ so may even only get ‘half’ the experience, i.e. 'less discrimination'..... I’m serious...so their points are not valid. I’m not gonna have some mix mix person turn around and try and tell me whats what ,who I am and what type of life I live, what the world is like and who whites are and about this and that.I’m not having it. They can speak for themselves. They always end up getting it wrong when they ‘attempt’ to speak for blacks, and just give some weak bias analysis, with some ‘diluted, indifferent conclusion’ when it comes to ‘black matters’, when they don't really give a f*ck.. ..... ....... ....... ....... ....... ....... ....... ....... ....... ...... ...... ...... ...... ...... ...... ..... ...... ..... ...... ..... ..... ...... ..... ...... ..... .... ..... .... ..... .... ..... It’s just a realistic and true observation... not even racist...but let me give you another example...it happens in life... whenever you are part of any type of group in society and join another people question your loyallties, people’s loyalties are divided and people’s perceptions are bias....so don’t try and ‘rep me’ when you are ‘ simultaneously representing and collaborating with the enemy’.
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Posted: Monday June 13th, 2005 16:17 |
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OK well that was interesting to read. Twice you said that mixed race ppl should not be considered black because "the black race is not a dumping ground." What do you mean "dumping ground?" You make it sound like mixed race ppl are some sort of garbage to get "dumped" on this race or that. There are a lot of very talented and successful mixed race ppl. Look at Thierry Henry or Ronaldo, the best 2 strikers in the world for a start. Quite a few football clubs would pay a lot of money to have those 2 "dumped" on them.
Anyway in the rest of your post you talk about how mixed race ppl stick up for whites and come up with "weak bias analysis, with some ‘diluted, indifferent conclusion’". Well maybe the world isn't quite as "Black & White" as you see it. 
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