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Posted: Monday November 24th, 2003 00:44 |
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 LadyDear said:'the topic is interesting. would love to read a fredblack response to this
i personally understand and believe some of what was said. everyone sees colour it is whether or not that colour creates a barrier'.
LadyDay, only because you asked for it dear sis and the weather is absolutely appalling and mash up my runnings. Can't cartoon channel all day and the wife's Sunday matinee kinda films.
The notion of extermination of white people would presuppose that is serves so strategic purpose, which would aid us in addressing our life and death problems. Talking about extermination is deliberately provactive, irrelevent and a dangerous trap for the unweary, which I am glad, nobody has fallen for.
Racism operates at the:
1. Institutional/Structural and Policy level
2. Popular Cultural level
3. One to one and, critical incident level
Institutions whether they be the education, economic, media and police work every day like machines spreading and reinforcing both racism and discriminatory behaviour without question. The impact of the sum of these processes is bigger than the totality of the personal prejudice of every white person in the land.
We are not in this position by accident, or bad luck and in fact, I suggest white people would be in a worse position if the roles were changed. Institutional discrimination has damaging consequences to our life outcomes and opportunities, motivations and desires.
Institutional discrimination also operates internationally eg in trade, commerce, borrowing, access of foreign black students to study here and the types of fees and treatment etc
Popular culture as promoted by the media, does damage to us, but is built on preconceived notions, deeply ingrained in white people, that's why they work. Same as politics and politicians who understand the cultural sensibilities of the white electorate, or tax payer. These white sensibilities act as limits to black progress, because as history or any one familiar with the academic research will know, almost any progress made by us, has been limited by deep seated hostility.
Most people fail to realise,that the very things white people cite as example of their liberalism or lack of racism, are the same things they have fought tooth and nail to prevent and limit. For example,the hatred towards The Commission of Racial Equality in this country is almost pathological. And the CRE is an actual joke as legal enforcement agency.
The Race Relations Act is a joke piece of legislation and those who designed it,knew this. But the hostility this legislation evokes is unbelievable. White people will tell you with straight faced ignorance that this country practices reverse discrimination. Almost every major gain from the riots of 1981, has been systematically taken back and why our young men are in a worse position that in my day. Black women were the major beneficiaries of these struggles.
Individual racism, or personal prejudice, the thing which tends to dominate these discussions has changed, or decreased,but only to a very superifical level. The most popular indicator used by whites for progress apart from people like Trevor Mcdonald, some black skinned white women news presenters, Ainsley Harriot and the likes of Trevor Phillips and is his non job as head of the CRE, is mixed relationships.
But the joke is, anyone who has seen these relationships close hand,and understands racism and its various manifestations;will see there is probably more racism, clearly apparent, than the self hate black folk hurl at each other everyday.
These white women, come straight out of 'East Enders,'[TV soap for our US cousins] but see themselves as superior to black women, and the inferences, and indirect and sometimes direct comments do not hide it. The black man has to disavow all his family, his relationships to any black woman, or friend, because that terrifies the white woman, who is a cultural alien and cannot control cultural dyamics. The white woman knows more, or claims to know more about black children, because her mix race children giving her the right to assume authority over my wife, mother, grandmother, because she reads black books to her kids, right and knows what 'black children' need or don't.
Some of the things,I have seen these white women get away with, the average black woman, would have received a swift kick in her arse, long days. He, the black man, has to become beholden to her white trash family, and call her white mother 'mum', and be at her beck and call. The three mixed race marriages, I know all involve the man having to move almost next door to his white in laws like a little boy. In predominantly white surbuban areas.
Completely surrounded by whites, and giving up complete masculine and social power and control, which no white man is going to do for a black woman. She will just find her place, and keep her black arse firmly shut. Because she if gifted by his pressence, and given the fact she has more likely than not, run her own race down to the ground, is in an inferior pyschological and social position.
So what I am saying, is white people dominate, discriminate against us, with destructive effects, at every level of society, attacking us every which way. Covertly most of the time, but every now and again, overtly which we are dumb enough to understand. So when Emenien, allegedly makes derogatory racial remarks about black women, we scream, but the more obvious issues we are unable to compute.
WEB Dubois said, the issue of the 20century and beyond is the colour line, because race, especially to white people and maintaining racial distance and superiority, cuts through every aspect of their society, and any challenge to that is going to get a heafty and speedy response.
CORRECTIVE:
1. Black people are in no shape, or have no reasons to be considering exterminating anyone, unless those people are working for our enemies and think all of us are that dumb.
2. This does not suggest at some point in time, down the road, black and whites will fight militarily with very serious consequences for them, because the white man has shown consistently, and we know his interests are intrinsically tied to keeping Africa weak, disunited[led by weak and corrupt fools] and maintain this image to the world. The same applies to the Caribbean, and our African American cousins.
Black power in the Caribbean or Africa, will meet white international response, no doubt about that. But I am confident in progress in these parts of the world, as I see it in my country, and meet to many highly educated and concious brothers from the continent to believe otherwise.
But the way, I think we seriously challenge white superemacy and power, is found in the comments of brother Kwesi and his posting. We have to build our power base first within our families, based on the best aspect of our cultural identity/values[not MTV or Cosmopolitian, or white liberalism] and work together with similar and like minded people to build power and influence at local level, in a range of ways whether educating the young, amassing money and commercial knowledge, developing business and political expertise and organisation, promoting the best in us eg good living black families, to counter enemy propaganda, that I for some reason would find his daughter more desirable than a black AFrican, Caribbean, or African American woman, and root these things into our children.
That will start the extermination process right there, the rest we can leave to the battle feild when our nations are sufficiently developed to tell and enforce our will as a people. Like a spoilt child, the white world will sulk, cry and make noise when black people assert their god given will collectively and globally, and will look for any opportunity to restore their image, and material and phsycological needs for control. But the difference is they will no they will have to deal with very serious and highly talented and capable and unified people, and that alone of a nightmare scenario for them.
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Posted: Wednesday November 26th, 2003 18:55 |
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@ Geoff
OK, What I meant was that there are always people saying that black people are racist too, (usually when there is a debate going on about why white 'people' are racist). But I would strongly argue against that. Of course, I can only go by my perception and my experiences, but what I often see is that black people are hardly ever racist, partly because of what Israel said about us not having the power to, but also because when I hear black people talk about whites, it is usually based on truth. Lastly, because racism does not seem to be as inherent to us as it appears to be in white 'people'.
So when you said that racism works both ways, I really do have to disagree with that.
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Posted: Thursday November 27th, 2003 00:42 |
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A common theme on this forum is that black men go for white girls because a black woman wont stand for his sh*t where as a white girl would. This statement is thrown around 'willy nilly' so I would like to actually explore it in further detail.
As I have not had any experience with white girls I need help from my fellow posters
What I would like to know is;
1. Does anyone personally know any white chicks that are used as doormats by brothers
2. Are you a brother that uses white chicks as doormats
3. (If 2. applies)In what ways is it easier to take the piss with white chicks than with black ones. Are they more gullible, more scared, more in awe (lol) etc
* I mean in a relationship(girlfriend/boyfriend). Bootycalls dont count cos any chick can be used a doormat in that situation
Your replies will be appreciated
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Posted: Thursday November 27th, 2003 01:03 |
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Cashmoney:
A common theme on this forum is that black men go for white girls because a black woman wont stand for his sh*t where as a white girl would.
 Correction...a common theme from a lot of the the WOMEN of this forum as well as a lot of women in general say that black men go white because they put up with our sh*t....but notice that you don't hear any black MEN saying that.....because we KNOW better.
Most black men go for white girls the same reason they go for black or Asian girls....because they're WOMEN and we are biologically programed to find the opposite sex attractive regardless of culture or skin-color.
In my personal observations, white women tend to be much milder and not as bold in their personality as so many black women tend to be. So a white woman who is disrespected tends to respond differntly than a black woman who receives the same treatment.
But if we were to be honest with ourselves, we all know dozens if not hundreds of black women who allow or have allowed themselves to be manipulated, taken advantage of, abused, and dogged out by men just as much as any woman on this planet....so there has to be another reason.
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Posted: Thursday November 27th, 2003 01:16 |
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1. I think MOST white people are racist but to say ALL are racist is foolish..what about retarded ones?
What about white who grew up in black neighborhoods and never learned racism?
What about whites who were adopted by black parents and grew up in black households?
We have to learn not to discredit ourselves with foolish statments like "all white people" are racist.
2.Another trend I see among pro-black leaders is the constant dissing and criticizm of white liberals.
Now I'm not naive enough to believe that just because a white man CALLS himself a "liberal" he's my friend....but goddamn! What does it benefit us to attack liberals when they'er the CLOSEST as we're gonna get to fairness and open-mindedness???
Is liberals are out enemy...who should we reckon and deal with...CONSERVATIVES???
Liberals aren't perfect friends but just like getting old...they sure as hell beat the alternative.
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Posted: Thursday November 27th, 2003 01:20 |
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athaba,
Of course black people can be racist. A very simple example of the prejudice against a member of another race based on the colour of his skin can be found on this very forum. Have a look in "The Black Woman's Forum" for a topic entitled "let's meet" Very simply, a white dude wants to get to know a black girl here and thought this would be a reasonable place to find out if there was anyone who wouldn't mind getting to know him. Look at the responses he got... similar to black people back in the days being told "This is a white only bar, N****r. Get out."
Essentially, people from EVERY race bear some form of racial prejudice against another. I don't for a second buy into that crock of sh*t israel tried to dump, saying "I cannot be racist, however, because in the global order I do not belong to the dominant group." Where the hell does it say that in order to be racist, you have to belong to the dominant group. In order to be racist, you have to HATE another racial group. Period.
And please don't knock Geoff. He actually makes a good point. On one forum, the whole issue of race came up and Fredblack called on me to check the meaning of racism, as if I didn't know what it was. This was my response:
"I'm well aware of the nature of racism and that a lot of instances where blame lies at the feet of a black man are false. However, you ask that I understand what racism is. This, too, I am aware of... abusive or agressive behaviour towards members of another race on the basis of a belief of intrinsic superiority. Now, what you might find interesting about that definition, or any other, is that it makes no mention of racism being about "white people hating black people ONLY." Which would mean that we too can quite easily be accused of racism. "
This, however, does not answer the main thrust of israel's topic that "all white people are racist". In all honesty, I cannot answer that question because I do not know all white people. But I would be hard-pressed to believe that in this day and age, it's true. How would you respond to the allegation that all black people are thieves; that all black people are liars and rapists? Sweeping generalisations like those made by israel show an amazing ignorance and bigotry.
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Posted: Thursday November 27th, 2003 01:23 |
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| I think theres another reason as well@ karreem, hopefully, its uncovered
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Posted: Thursday November 27th, 2003 02:31 |
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I still think the same alot of the white girls I see are easy from my observation,but as I have seen and heard from friends they can be just as 'facety' I experienced this working with themso I suppose its abit of both but defintely I think there are some Black guys that go there for their not too cooed up attitude I'll elaborate more going to my capoeria class.
@Kareem' white men more milder??? huh!!?? I hear you bro but the amkmount of times I've switched on TV to seee this white guy was battering his prtner before he killed her ish you dig??
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Posted: Thursday November 27th, 2003 05:02 |
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"@Kareem' white men more milder??? huh!!?? I hear you bro but the amkmount of times I've switched on TV to seee this white guy was battering his prtner before he killed her ish you dig?? "
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Posted: Thursday November 27th, 2003 06:43 |
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Untilted I remember you now sorry. Difference my friend, racism is not my enemy. So going around seeing how racist black people is not something of interest to me; as all people on the planet have prejudices some very valid. But that does not mean they behave like white people historically, and presently.
Having prejudice does not mean, ipso facto, I will invade your country and murder millions and steal your resources. So with respect, I am not sure what your argument is with? By the way how does that statement square with the types of oppressive things we have to deal with at all the various levels?
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Posted: Thursday November 27th, 2003 09:17 |
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@Untitled
Apologies I couldn't respond to your post to me in the Lets Meet thread as it was closed by Kunjufu so I sent you a pm earlier today.....however I have just stumbled on what you wrote here in regards to that thread if discovered earlier I would've made my point here.
Anyway the pm has been sent now and all I would add to that is that Lucas 2 was a blatent imposter and your opening comment to Abatha here is totally unjustified for that very reason and for the fact that Wet Dog a white poster has been posting in this forum for many years and has never encountered to my knowledge the same treatment as Lucas 2 received in that thread to which you are implying he was totally innocent. You fail to mention the tone and style that Lucas 2 entered this forum in and the very posts that addressed this.
However while we are on the subject let me point out one thing to you in all my years of posting on this forum and many others alike I can honestly tell you that whenever a white poster who has been regularly posting gets into a debate the tone of their arguement always strays from the matter on hand to "YOU BLACKS" in some way/shape or form would you call this coincidence or natural raw behaviour rising to the surface.
You took the time to point out a thread to Athaba well let me point out this thread to you ....go to the thread created by Happiness called "Calling Kunjufu" and see the post made by Wet Dog in a seemly friendly conversation to Happiness and look and check the many insults contained in that post....he even made a comment on the colour of the emoticons .....yep you better believe it complaining about the colour of emoticons on a site called BLACKnet.
So you can continue to sound extremely politically correct but its best to make sure you view things with an equal balanced mind set if you can ......then I will be interested to see what your findings are and indeed if your third eye is functioning.
Once again sorry about the pm sent to you it should've been posted here. One more thing.....
.........@Hesaid
 Thank you for what you wrote in that thread "lets meet ".
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Posted: Thursday November 27th, 2003 12:15 |
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kareem wrote
Correction...a common theme from a lot of the the WOMEN of this forum as well as a lot of women in general say that black men go white because they put up with our sh*t....but notice that you don't hear any black MEN saying that.....because we KNOW better.
Most black men go for white girls the same reason they go for black or Asian girls....because they're WOMEN and we are biologically programed to find the opposite sex attractive regardless of culture or skin-color.
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@kareem...exactly ...my sentiments exactly....my take on it is...when "some" black women come out with oh they go with white girls becuse their easy...i just laugh in the back of my mind... because i never persuade a woman to get down...if it isnt a mutual thing... i'm not interested.... so....that makes that old cliche of "oh white girls are easy" redundant... from my point of veiw anyway.. thats just a cliche used by "some" sistas...who are mad when they see a black man with another race girl
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Posted: Thursday November 27th, 2003 23:42 |
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| I as a White lady will never date black men or any other race as I prefer my own. but the reason I feel most black men go for White women is to get even. It comes from having a low self esteem that dates back from when a black man would never date a white lady for fear of being lynched or not even look at her. so to me it is more of a status thing for a black man and psychologically it makes them feel more human and classier as well. Because it seems it is in the West where by it is still more acceptable for black men dating White women but when it comes to places such as Africa, Latin America and Asia it is still the case of a White man versus a black, Asian, Latino woman which is more acceptable than viceversa. It is shocking to have a black man and a white woman. Just look at Puffy with Jenny from the Block why do you think it was such big news she is Latino baby Puffy is no bad than ben though most people would deny to be racist who did the fat bottomed one marry? Fellow Latinas and now it is going to be mr White mind you Jennifer is White anyway. We think times have moved on don't we but I do not think so people are as narrow minded as ever.
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Posted: Friday November 28th, 2003 02:04 |
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Lucas:
We should say SOME black women because clearly MOST black women don't care one way or the other...they know where they stand in the eyes of most black men and ain't worried about the competition.
They know that by and large...we'll never stray too far because the big butt and chocolate skin will keep calling us back.
But a woman who isn't quite as attractive or has a negative personality and usually find herself not getting along with ANY MEN (black or white) are the type to make up excuses and accuse bruthaz of doing this or that.
The same way with most bruthaz.
A brutha who is successful in romance doesn't feel the need to "diss" black women all the time and belittle them on a personal level. Usually bruthaz who do this were DISSED by black women (and usually other women too) through out life and just complain about "black women" as an excuse to hide the realities of their own inadequacies.
But ooohhhhhhh when you find a brutha that can get BOTH with relative ease and ain't afraid to do it or talk about it.
 You got a famous brutha on your hands!
"Candace": 
It comes from having a low self esteem that dates back from when a black man would never date a white lady for fear of being lynched or not even look at her.
Well if black men were getting killed and lynched for just LOOKING at white women...are you sure WE were the ones that suffered from low-self esteem and insecurity?
Seems to me that the white men who were so jealous and angry were the ones who had the biggest inferiority complex.
so to me it is more of a status thing for a black man and psychologically it makes them feel more human and classier as well
 So you don't think most bruthaz are just in it for the p*ssy and can care less about all the intellectual and social commentary and garbage.... do you?
Because it seems it is in the West where by it is still more acceptable for black men dating White women but when it comes to places such as Africa, Latin America and Asia it is still the case of a White man versus a black, Asian, Latino woman which is more acceptable than viceversa
I believe this to be true also, but I think the only reason it IS true is because generally white men with money come to these poorer enviroments and are able to attract women more than the poorer native men simply by default.
But once we come West and things start to even out just a "little bit"...who do you see the women going for?
I don't know about where YOU live...but most of the women of color I see would rather turn celibate or turn gay rather than to sleep with a white man....and that's sad.
It is shocking to have a black man and a white woman. Just look at Puffy with Jenny from the Block why do you think it was such big news she is Latino baby Puffy is no bad than ben though most people would deny to be racist who did the fat bottomed one marry?
I don't remember J.Ho and Ben getting married but I don't keep up with that sh*t much so I don't know.
But all I know is I heard more WHITE AND LATINO MEN complaining about her and Puffy's relationship than anyone else.
I didn't hear ANY Latino women complaining.
Just like Kobe Bryant and his wife.
All I hear are white men in suits gawking and gasping about how "beautiful" his wife is (who ain't all that).
What's the big deal...what's their problem with him and his wife?
Turn on these sports shows and all you'll hear is white men making up sh*t about him having to "bribe" his wife with diamond rings and how suprised they are that she's "sticking with him". as if a black man isn't able to get love form a non-black woman unless he BRIBES or THREATENS her.
It's all psychological.
I personally don't think you're a white woman because you sound a little to irritated and defensive.
 Pull that skirt up and let me see what's REALLY going on up under there!
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Posted: Friday November 28th, 2003 05:22 |
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@Mafdet,
I did indeed receive your pm and your words were duly noted. One thing I was going to do in light of the revelation that Lucas 2 was in fact a troublemaker was edit my post on this topic, as the example I made was obviously no longer relevant. Furthermore, having looked to the topic you pointed me to, I concede... but just a bit. I still feel passionate about the last sentiment, that is, "...I would be hard-pressed to believe that in this day and age, it's true [that all whites are racist]. How would you respond to the allegation that all black people are thieves; that all black people are liars and rapists?"
@Fred
I guess what I was trying to illustrate was that we were trying to have our metaphorical cake and eat it too. Perhaps my argument was a bit flawed. It naturally did not seem so in my own mind. I have not had the opportunity to give your question much thought as I have concerns of a more pressing nature biting at my heels. But I intend to do so. Reading your observations in other posts as I have, I can honestly say that your words allow one to question his own sense of self.
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Untitled: Just a quick note to reiterate that Europeans posters are welcomed to post here even posters such as Wet dog, (whom i don't usually agree with.) However it is my view that they should fully take on board that this is a BLACK site and as such they should naturally respect and appreciate this fact when they post here... Just as i know any BN Villiager here would if the roles were reversed and we were posting on a White site..
On this point if Europeans insist on posting deliberately provocative or ignorant comments on a site that is called BLACKnet.. Then they should expect response that is less than welcoming, in my view there is simply no excuse for ignorant or stupid comments to be posted in the 21st Century...no Excuse!!!
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Posted: Friday November 28th, 2003 09:13 |
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@Fred Untitled said:
"I guess what I was trying to illustrate was that we were trying to have our metaphorical cake and eat it too. Perhaps my argument was a bit flawed. It naturally did not seem so in my own mind. I have not had the opportunity to give your question much thought as I have concerns of a more pressing nature biting at my heels. But I intend to do so. Reading your observations in other posts as I have, I can honestly say that your words allow one to question his own sense of self".
No worries man, other things more important than this. But like your attitude, disagree after reflection not immediate needs. Makes for superior and more constructive debate:"
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Posted: Friday November 28th, 2003 09:42 |
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I think you man need to watch forbidden fruit, anyaway I been to some nasically majority all white clubs back in the day,all the white girls werethrong thmeselves at me and my boys ,rather than when I been to Black ckubs where you have to be more calculated AND APPROACH on instinct or innitiative fellas!!!!.
I'm sure not all these white girls like us as it was like 10 - 1 ,bare face it was jusr because we were Black and there...SO whuts that say then? there easier in my view and this is personal account. I got friends with 'em,they doing everything he sittin on his ass,they quicker to hit and are more willing to get 'down' and not only do next level ish but FOUL ish ,not saying others dont but they top every league.
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Posted: Friday November 28th, 2003 12:15 |
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untitled wrote:
@Mafdet,
I did indeed receive your pm and your words were duly noted. One thing I was going to do in light of the revelation that Lucas 2 was in fact a troublemaker was edit my post on this topic, as the example I made was obviously no longer relevant. Furthermore, having looked to the topic you pointed me to, I concede... but just a bit. I still feel passionate about the last sentiment, that is, "...I would be hard-pressed to believe that in this day and age, it's true [that all whites are racist]. How would you respond to the allegation that all black people are thieves; that all black people are liars and rapists?"
@Untitled
Maybe racist is too much of a harsh word and conjures up wrong emotions amongst people so let me put it like this. If there was me and a white women left on this earth with a white man and he could only choose one women to carry on existence with would he be racist if he chose the white women?
If the situation changed and it was a black man would he be racist if he chose me. I am just aware that when you get to the raw emotions of people which Temporary User and Fredblack was touching on in another subject we have deep rooted preferences for our own.....would this be termed as being racist if the other race was rejected.
Now whether you want to call it racist or pro race inclined don't let this day and age cloud you its just covered up extremely well but giving a certain situation and it will rise to the surface.
Now you posing that question at me about if all black people are liars and rapist is wasted on me brother as a black women I know better to fall for that sterotype. So even if I gave you a answer it wouldn't really move or inspire or motivate you not even quite as much as if you was to obtain a truthful answer to this question from a white person.
I have no problem whatsoever saying white people are racist....the level of racism may be the important question if you want to put it like that or to what extent are they racist ....Untitled how can they not be....just look around you look at your environment look at this society and tell me......how can they not be. I think when the word racist is written on this forum many people conjure up the image of the NF/BNP etc. I am talking to give you one example of the racist employer who is presented with a black person with far more experience and qualifications as a white person but gives the job to the white person.......I am talking about the teachers that is so quick to label a misbehaved black child as thugish/ignorant/wild and a terror but will take the time to sit a white child down and ask if there is anything troubling them which may be causing these outburst. Did you see the programme on the undercover police officer who encountered many racist officers....if so did you note that many of the racist officers quoted....it is a know fact that black people carry weapons.....where did this conditioned biased unfactual statement come from.
Are you feeling me and see where I am coming from on this. To put it simply even if I were stupid enough to say yes to that question I am no threat or danger to you as the white person who may say yes to this question. I don't want to turn this to a white verses black battle as many are so frightened to even comprehend going down that road but if you was to throw that above question you wrote as an acqusation at a black person and a white person you would get two different levels of defense. The majority of blacks would say no your wrong simply stated and the majority of whites would go to great lengths to prove you are wrong.......because you may (ever considered that) may just be touching on a raw nerve. Think I am lying give it a try sometime.
Last edited on Friday November 28th, 2003 12:33 by Mafdet
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Posted: Friday November 28th, 2003 19:04 |
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Examining two quotes from the original Guardian article "Of Course All White People Are Racist", it is possible to question Joseph Harker's deductions and to challenge his statement that "all white people are racist". He states that it is impossible to shake off all the effect that conditioning has in childhood: "Reaching adulthood, how can people realistically cast off all they've come to believe as a child?" Further he asserts that "even black people themselves are not immune, and these images have had an impact on their own self-esteem."
Logically then all black people born in pre-1990s Britain would respond negatively to the 'white-is-beautiful' images that were, and to a large extent still are perpetuated in the media. Self-esteem issues would therefore have the same effect on all black people. Why then do some black people use bleaching creams, dye their hair blonde and wear blue contacts, whilst others are proud of the darkness of their skin? Why wouldn't the need to become whiter (an example of the self-esteem issues that Harker mentions) affect all black people in the same way? Because we are all different! Whilst some black people adopted the value systems of this predominantly white society and its blonde-is-beautiful ideals, others were strong enough to maintain a sense of pride in African beauty, black beauty.
So whilst Harker asserts that irrespective of the number of "anti-racist demos they've marched on, they (white people) inevitably make assumptions, however subconscious, which are influenced by a racist society and which help to form their views and opinions. To refute this is to be in complete denial." His statement needs to be qualified by the word "some", some white anti-racist demo marchers still make negative assumptions about black people influenced by the institutional racism in British society, but not all white people do this.
Black people are not the same, nor do they respond in the same way to life-experiences, just as there is no uniform white person. Of course there are a number of very racist white people and an even larger number with milder forms of racist prejudice, but NOT ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE RACIST, just as not all black people use bleaching cream or want to become lighter.
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Posted: Friday November 28th, 2003 21:17 |
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Ayousha. Nice substantive opening post sis, well argued. You are correct. Racism or a range of social attitudes, are not uniformed within any group, that does not mean that any human group is without prejudice. Whether prejudice, translates into racism, is a completely different issue, as the two things are not the same.
Regretably too many black people, assume black people or other people having prejudice, reduces them or provides some equivalence with white historical institutional or personal racism.
So expression of black cultural pride, or cultural preference, is reduced to an irrational and idiotic comparison with white racism. Hence me stating an unapologetic preference for black/African women, is challenged as racist. Not that it bothers me for a second. But that is the tendency amongst a particular section of black people, as seen in the discussion with Mafdet and Untitled.
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Posted: Friday November 28th, 2003 22:40 |
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| Thanks for the enlightenment Kareem. Now to a totally different subject I went to a Holiday resort in Jamaica recently but I was so shocked and surprised as this being jamaican I was simlpy expecting a West India themed holiday. But when we were there the ir was so much advertisement of Thai food and entertainment telling us the best food was to be had there. But to me the idea of going to the West Indies especially if someone is telling you to sample Thai stuff etc then the world is getting madder. To me it is like we like black music but we do not like the people why go to West Indies instaed of Asia. My knowledeg of Asians esp S.E Asians they are very racist toward black people and to add insult to injury they are rubbing in it by peddling their cheap tacky stuff right there in front of blacks. Can you imagine a black person going to these people's countryies and be allowed to do this. Why don't black people with money invest in their own countries esp beautiful places like these instead of selling them out to outsiders who going back to history end up being successful and start abusing blacks who were there before. I did not feel comfortable with this at all.
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Posted: Friday November 28th, 2003 22:52 |
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| But don't you thibk by saying such a thing you are just playing into the hands of rumour mongers. There is a wide held myth that black women and loose and prostitutes but how true is that only a rightful majority are. But when you look at the people who say this it is White men right but how can a White man know about this when there aren't many black women with them and most of them know that black women do not really like White men in a sexual way. It is all propaganda and racist as in mmy experience I have found the Asian women to be too promiscous. No one dare say this as it is White men who service these tramps and poverty stricken slanty eyed bandy legged, dwarf morons. But still a black man is a prostitute as it is reputed black men have higher sexual drives so black women are apparently sex mad and practise all deviant sexuality. But really black people are more likely to go for straight normal sex than lone white men who use asian prostitutes. To me just as you are talking of white women running after you those are cheap white trollops and mind you the fact is they are curious to see if it is true what they say about black men. They see a black man as a sexual thing first and as a man you can talk to second. A black man to most white women is more of a sexual machine. Go to Australia the moment you step of a plane as a black man you have all these womenwhite looking at you as food. Is that cool really you will be proud that you went out and all the women were after your tackle what about respecting there a we are the same women after having wild sex with black man aren't the one who warn their kids about black men being rapists because this is all they see in a black man nothing else. Apparently we were talking as one of our friends who is Afrikaans ran off with a man from Nigeria why she said she had a mammoth thing becaues they eat yams. You think this is flattery no to me it is insulting . It is saying black men are desperate to sleep with us all you do as a whitey egg them on and voila you have them but when it comes to marriage who do they go ofcourse a exually retiring white man. White women use black men for sex that's all
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Posted: Saturday November 29th, 2003 02:34 |
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Fred Fred Fred 
I have just seen the above and I am sitting back smiling, you my dear are sometimes too quick. When writing the above to Untitled I mentioned prejudice but then choice to erase it from my piece and rather wait on what Untitled came back with (if he chose to) to make the style of things a bit more interesting to me.
No offence to you Untitled I am not mocking you in any way its just that my style is to find out more of the mind set of the person I am talking to before I put everything on the plate. It is a weakness and or strength of mines as sometimes words can fall on deaf ears  plus me thinks I am getting to old for this repeated subject of discussion
However Fred I should've realised that you and others would quickly step in to fill the gap..and/or spoil my fun he he  . But to conclude, yes you are quite right prejudice is often mistaken for racism and today the two are often spoken and raised as the same to mean the same which is wrong, however you and Ayousha has summerised this adequately.
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Posted: Saturday November 29th, 2003 05:56 |
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| Its true alot of the se ASIANS very racist towards Blacks but in more quiet ways,and for real they worship white people without a care as long as they can appearto be on their level,I worked with a couple of them ,didn't know sh*t ,neither educated but still thought they were better,got the hump alot about me giving advice on a professional term.
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Posted: Saturday November 29th, 2003 08:49 |
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poorWhite girls are easy(you know the ones). They seem to be attracted to the blk man whether he be ugly or not. I think sex is a major factor in this attraction and also the "exotic" experience. In my opinion the white girl is more interested in the body and how it can satisfy her, rather than the black mans brain and how it can stimulate her. I think the majority of these girls fall in lust of the blk man rather than in love with the blk man. And before you know it she is claiming benefits and pushing her mixed race baby up and down the high street, with no blk man in sight.
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