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Posted: Tuesday April 10th, 2007 11:27 |
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INDIA: Court Rules Against Affirmative Action for Low Castes
Snip: India's ancient caste system divides Hindu society into the Brahmin (priestly), Kshatriya (warrior) Vaishya (trader) and Shudras (serving) castes with the OBC group falling into the last category. The Black Dalits (former untouchables) fall outside this four-fold caste system.
The last sentence is worthy of consideration. The Dalits are not considered part of the caste system; that is, and they do not have souls. So they are considered animals. They have a militant organization called the Dalit panthers which is patterned after the Black American militias of the 70's. India with all its technological advances is very backward, holding on to it's racist and sexist past. It's interesting to note that the Dalits, indigenous Black people, who were conquered by the people coming down from Eurasia, the same people who conquered the so-called middle east.
Ghandi made promises to the Dalits to get their support, but he had to forsake them if he wanted the support of the four castes, especially the upper caste who had all the money. India is sitting on a ticking time bomb that will explode into violence. The explosion has been avoided as the Dalits have been pyschologically programmed to accept their lot in life as "the will of God". I wonder will America refer to the Dalits as terrorists?
Buddhism like early Christianity emerged as a revolutionary movement to confront deep routed injustices, but because of the power of the racists, they did not prosper in the lands, which is why Christianity and Buddhism never gained a significant foothold in the so-called middle east and India, respectively.
There is a very good book written by Cheick Anta Diop called Civilization or Barbarism. In it he proposed his "two civilization theory" which said that the world is basically divided into 2 cradles of civilization, an upper (northern) and low (southern). He discusses the attributes of these 2 cradles and believes that the ascendency of the northern cradle is the root cause of much of the conflict in the world today, and the hatred of Black people throughout the world in general. People often very reluctant to factor in these deep rooted belief systems when analyzing geopolitics, but they are real.
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Posted: Tuesday April 10th, 2007 11:40 |
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Posted: Tuesday April 10th, 2007 15:57 |
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Apademik,
I thought that the Ghandi has the court to rule it as unconstitutional in 1948, but here is the problem: That caste system has been into play for over 2,000 years. How do you get the people of India to change that? When I used to hear about these caste systems, I thought that it was simple to understand, like with the former apartheid in South Africa or with the Civil rights movement? It's weird, I remembered doing an " experiment"( if you want to call it that and maybe I should not have done it) but I came across this Indian man and I suspected that maybe he was either from the Brahmin or the second caste because of his light skin. Bravely , I asked what caste he came from and to my amazement , he told me that he was from the Brahmin caste. I wasn't so much amazed because of who he is, but stunned at the fact that that he mentioned that he was part of existent caste system. It's sad, the Shudras or just what you said the Black dalits cannot give/take gifts fro them and cannot really be around them. That is terrible.
My grandfather was half Indian and he never discussed " caste systems" with us, nor did his Indian father discussed it with him. I have met my Indian relatives and I was stunned to learn that they wanted to meet us. I thought to myself" I wonder what they thought about their African American relatives?" Back then I still did not learn about their caste systems, but I laugh and think that if we were in India what caste would we fall under? Though I try to respect ones culture, I just find it repulsive that they would let a system over take their character. I may be part -Indian, but that is one custom that they can have.
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Posted: Tuesday April 10th, 2007 18:09 |
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I thought that the Ghandi has the court to rule it as unconstitutional in 1948.
From what I know Ghandi was playing a role in a bigger game.
The British wanted to civilise the Indian peoples by bringing them democracy and enslaving them as usual... problem is the untouchables out number the Aryan Brahmin caste. Ghandi wanted to play to the Dalits by getting them onto the Caste ladder at the very bottom accepting them in some kind of mocking way. Once they felt accepted they would obviously cause less of a problem.
That caste system has been into play for over 2,000 years. How do you get the people of India to change that?
Their oppression is a religious one so its firmly lodged into their minds which is why that Ghandi rat played them so easily... guess you know that the Cauc-Asians have a thing for stealing culture. The Aryans adopted the religion of the Dalits when they attacked and merged it with theirs so the Dalits are still loyal to Hinduism but in a perverted form in the same way a Muslem can mistreat anyone who isn't muslem the Hindus could mistreat the Dalits as they were the outcasts... having them on that lower rung was like being accepted into something they were locked out of becoming Hindu and being treated as such Ie; Not used as prostitutes, murdered in the streets and what not.
All in all they played the Dalits so they wouldn't convert en mass to the Muslem religion and move to the newly formed P*kistan or realise that they outnumbered the Aryans and revolt. Its a bit like the American/European government employing coons in high places... acts as a pacifier, giving people faulse hope and keeps the masses quiet.
India is where it all started.
Swear a group tried to assasinate or assasinated the Indian Prime Minister a while ago. Theres rebel tribal groups in South India/Shri Lanka and stuff... got a film called, ''Terrorist'' about one Dalit girl whos trained as a suicide bomber shes supposed to take out the Indian P.M but finds out shes pregnant along the way. Supposedly based on the assasination. Think they suffer from the same problems we do in general, we as African peoples seem to be able to adapt and find comfort in the worst of places.
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Posted: Wednesday April 11th, 2007 14:23 |
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| The cast system has been around for 4000+ years, it's naive to think 50+ years of laws will change anything...
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Posted: Wednesday April 11th, 2007 16:13 |
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| I read a story a while back about hundreds of low caste Indians denouncing Hinduism and taking up Islam because they believed that Islam would regard them as equals (at least in theory) ….
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Posted: Thursday April 12th, 2007 00:59 |
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mike pain wrote: I read a story a while back about hundreds of low caste Indians denouncing Hinduism and taking up Islam because they believed that Islam would regard them as equals (at least in theory) ….
That has been going on since Islam reached the Indian Peninsula...we call that P*kistan and Bangladesh (as well huge minority it is in India) today...
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Posted: Monday April 16th, 2007 20:08 |
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Mike,
Islam may be one of the most diverse religions(and I agree with that) in the world, but there is just one problem with their religious move: Their government. In 1995, the representatives offically declaired India as a Hindu country. You can be a Christian, Muslim, Jewish etc, but strangely, under their laws, all are Hindu under the law. It sounds contradictory, but that is how they declair it. You think about the Sikhs of that country.In spite for thousands of years they have existed in India and in politics, they still have no real power in it and still struggle to be predominate in their country. I also have to agree, while Hindus may worship anything as gods, with all due respect, it is a racist and blantantly religiously prejudice faith.
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Posted: Tuesday April 17th, 2007 13:16 |
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Thought it was that they aren't Hindu so they aren't allowed certain basic rights... that they'd cast them as below the other three on the teir as they're 'non belivers' as it were?
Funny cause I got caught in their world for a while got to know a (dalit) Hindu girl her boss was Brahmin (haven't seen her for a while) and didn't/dosen't like me one bit definately didn't like me talking to her, the guy is nasty and when I say nasty I mean they get deliveries from a company called, ''Ayran Groceries'' drive around with it on their van like its nothing. Would be a cool trick to ask them to deliver to Stamford bridge or some other Jewish area but for real they're on my list of people I hate along with European South Africans, Arab Egyptians, those Upper Class English toffs and those Texan type Americans. I mean they even had a Hitlers Cafe in deli, they love the guy.
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Posted: Tuesday April 17th, 2007 16:39 |
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Apademak,
It should but as I learned from my former religion professor and from someone who is from there, that is the way it is there. When I learned about it, I didn't get it myself. Ironically, the guy I knew was a Indian Muslim himself and my professor was Christian. they taught me about this. When I first learned about it I was like " How can they be of two religions?" That is like we saying that were Christian, but we are told that Hinduism is the offical religion of England/The US. As of this day, I'm trying to get that(?!?!). No matter what relgion you profess to be, their government will always recognize Hinduism as the religion of their country.
Ironically, I planned on going on another relgious fieldtrip, to a Hindu temple. I was reading some information about the one I was going to. Seemingly, most of the people that gop there are predominately Punjabi and are well to do. When I first looked at that I asked " Now what kind of crap is that?". I wondered about my friend and I found it to be incredibly shocking to learn that she became a Hindu. She's married to a South Indian and she's African-American. That is why I'm going to that one, but I'm still not easy about the religion. I 'm not crazy about religion that promote that kind of system among their people. I don'tknow about the Hinduism in the states, but the religious laws are ridiculous in India. I remembered when my teacher was telling us about The castes. I couldnt believe what he said when he said that the higher castes are not allowed to accept anything, nor are they are allowed to give anything to the lower caste or they'll be considered to be "polluted". I know that my friend is married to an Indian and that she loves his religion, but I'm part South Asian and is highly troubled buy it. I cannot respect that side of my life. I'm really suprised that she was allowed to become a Hindu. Being an AA , I thought that she ouldn't be allowed to be one, but even if I were married to one or If my late great-grandfather would have suggested it, that is one time where I would have had to reject his request. Give me Islam or Christianity anyday.
PS. I'm only attending the temple because I postponed an invitation to one and was asked again. Maybe I can find out some things about Hinduism. One thing that I hope they will do is to prove me wrong. From what I have read and heard about it, I'm not thrilled about laws of it.
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Posted: Tuesday April 17th, 2007 18:27 |
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Yeah... don't see the Brahmin Cauc-Asian Aryans being priests at all.
Some people say that the caucasians are albinos, gave me the thought that the whole 'untouchable' thing comes from the Black Indians not wanting to be around them as their condition was deemed unhealthy as they could be leprose. In time they migrated and more or less came back and trashed the Indus Valley Civilisation. Of course the story is that the first sign of caucasian 'civilization' is when the ice poles melted 4000bc and they attacked the Indus valley or as they'd have it they occupied the Indus Valley and were Hindu back then.
Do you know anything about the passages in the Rig Veda? Stuff like, ''Must protect the white skin'' and stuff like that. Read about it but its a bit tough to belive.
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