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Nefertiti an EAST-AFRICAN??
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 Posted: Monday February 26th, 2007 11:40

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submission wrote: Anyway, you guys have gone way off topic for a while now!
The point is Nefertiti here is Egyptian.
Egypt is technically in the eastern side of the African continent, thus it's no surprising that the Egyptians proper are related to Eastern Africans of "Sub-Sahara" like Ethiopians and Somalis!

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Your attempts to disect the continent into quadrants, halfs, or whatever is as everyone else has already stated...immature, and not very intellectually developed with the historical and archaeological record.  You speak of Africa as if the people were stagnant in the "East", "North", "West" and so forth.  There is more archaeological data suggesting free-flow migration and trade with West Africa (Niger River area) than with the horn of Africa, yet you want to say they are East Africans because of your superificially devised locality.  For all we know, present-day East Africans could have migrated there from the once inhabitable Sahara regions since we know there were mass migrations into the Nile Valley and East Africa from there once the region started to dry up into the desert it is today. 

Point being, you can't look at conditions today and assume it was always that way.  We cannot ignore our history.  If we did, then Europeans always inhabited the Americas, Arabs always ruled Egypt, and the first civilizations in Asia were Indo-European/Semitic as well...where all these statements are invariably false.



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 Posted: Monday February 26th, 2007 12:53

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When we were attacked by both the Arabs and later the Europeans (over a long period of time) there was a mass migration so you'll find that a lot of peoples features are mixed and others are more evidently of that region, Nigerians have a distinct look for example but some you couldn't identify by looks alone. Beforehand our features, language and culture etc etc would have been more distinct to region.



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 Posted: Monday February 26th, 2007 16:21

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Sister Submission. I  see that you are determined to present the light skin Somalis as representative of all Somalis. However the News Media and Somali webistes show us a different version that all shades exists in Somalia. But go ahead and deny that the Somali Bantu's are not Somali and other Dark Skinned Somalis do not exist. Sounds like you are obsessed with linking Nefertiti with an Iman look alike. Why can't the real Nefertiti looks like the lady below? How you jumped from Egypt to Somalia surpassing Sudan and the Nubians and other tribes that were descendents of the Kush*tes is a mysetry to me. Seem like going from A to Z surpassing the other letters in the alphabet.

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Vubundada_Kandaba wrote: Sister Submission. I  see that you are determined to present the light skin Somalis as representative of all Somalis. However the News Media and Somali webistes show us a different version that all shades exists in Somalia. But go ahead and deny that the Somali Bantu's are not Somali and other Dark Skinned Somalis do not exist. Sounds like you are obsessed with linking Nefertiti with an Iman look alike. Why can't the real Nefertiti looks like the lady below? How you jumped from Egypt to Somalia surpassing Sudan and the Nubians and other tribes that were descendents of the Kush*tes is a mysetry to me. Seem like going from A to Z surpassing the other letters in the alphabet.



 

 

Most of the Somalis I have met in the DC metro area are dark skinned. And there are quite a few here.





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 Posted: Monday February 26th, 2007 16:41

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Bacoo wrote: Most of the Somalis I have met in the DC metro area are dark skinned. And there are quite a few here.

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True dat. The great majority that I have met and known are dark skinned. But that is not what Submission wants to show and would rather keep those ones hidden in the background. There are thousands of Somalis in the US and you see them almost everywhere. 




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Vubundada_Kandaba wrote: Bacoo wrote: Most of the Somalis I have met in the DC metro area are dark skinned. And there are quite a few here.

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True dat. The great majority that I have met and known are dark skinned. But that is not what Submission wants to show and would rather keep those ones hidden in the background. There are thousands of Somalis in the US and you see them almost everywhere. 


 

Are you familliar with Skyline Towers in Falls Church/Alexandria? Tons of Africans/Persians/Somalis/Ethiopeans living in that community.






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 Posted: Monday February 26th, 2007 17:21

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Hi Submission

i was just wondering, could you please answer this for me.. it may help clarify alot for me and also help me understand where your warped thinking, comes from..


Does Somali or any of the Somali tribes or clans have some kind of caste system?


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The ignorance on this board regarding Somalis is beyond belif fact: Few Somalis are mixed with other race. It is quite few numbered, whether with Italians or other Africans. I will show you in a moment. 

 look there are light skin somalis and dark skin somalis.. my point aint the colour of ones skin but the face features.. you can get a very dark and a very light somali..

Somali Bantus first

 



One of the most accomplished Somali singers, Aweys Khamiis Mabuuse (a Somali Bantu)

Somali Banaadiris (Arabs)

 



 

 



Another Banaadiri (former Somali ambassador to UN)


 

Somali-Italians



 



 

 

And now there is the majority Somalis, the Cushtic ones who dominate Horn of Africa. The 97% of Somalia population people who look like this

 



 



 



 

 

The BANTUS are negroid people and not CUsh*tIC/HAMITES like the Somalis not to mention that in order to be SOMALI you have to be part from the 5 main SOMALI CLANS they are :

- DAROOD
- ISAAQ
- HAWIYE
- DIR
- RAHANWEYN

It is clearly documented that the BANTUS were slaves brought to the HORN of AFRICA to graze the plantations in the South mainly since it is a fine almost tropical land if you like.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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 Posted: Monday February 26th, 2007 17:49

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Mluhya wrote: Hi Submission

i was just wondering, could you please answer this for me.. it may help clarify alot for me and also help me understand where your warped thinking, comes from..


Does Somali or any of the Somali tribes or clans have some kind of caste system?


okey then let me teach you something...


 

 

There are 6 main clan-families in Somalia. A clan-family is a group of clans who believe themselves to be linked by descent from a common ancestor. Within each clan-family there is a multitude of clans. A clan is a group of people believed to be descendants through males of a common ancestor. Each clan then further sub-divided into lineages.


 


The clan system:


 



 


In addition to the clans of the Somaal (somali) , there are also ethnic minorities in Somalia. These minorities account for approximately 15% of the population and have traditionally been discriminated against by the Somaal clans. Groups of people that have ancestors predating the Somaal or who have no clear link to the genealogy of the Somaal, are mainly found in the coastal areas. They are believed to be from unmixed Arab and Persian descent(these are the light skin somalis which was shown above). In addition to these groups there are also the habash/adoon which is an important group of pre-Somaal cultivators and hunters that are found in the interriverine valleys of the Shabeelle and Jubba rivers. In addition to this, certain occupational distinctions are also made whereby certain groupings such as hunters, leatherdresses and smiths are known as saab (ignoble). Until the 1920s, small groups of slaves taken from Malawi and Tanzania were also linked to local Somali communities(these are the somali bantus the very dark skin somalis). The regional dynamics have also caused mass population flows between Ethiopia, Somalia and Djibouti and thus the infiltration of other minority groups into Somali territory.


 







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submission wrote:  The BANTUS are negroid people and not CUsh*tIC/HAMITES like the Somalis not to mention that in order to be SOMALI you have to be part from the 5 main SOMALI CLANS they are :

It is clearly documented that the BANTUS were slaves brought to the HORN of AFRICA to graze the plantations in the South mainly since it is a fine almost tropical land if you like.

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I can not believe what I am reading here. I sincerely hope this is a typing error and you need t o clarify. The Bantu's are brought to Somalia to Graze the area. Since when did the Bantu's become animals that graze the land. You are digging yourself deeper and deeper into territory you do not wnat to be in. And while you are at it, answer the questions posed by Mluhya.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somali_(cat) ????



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Vubundada_Kandaba wrote: submission wrote:  The BANTUS are negroid people and not CUsh*tIC/HAMITES like the Somalis not to mention that in order to be SOMALI you have to be part from the 5 main SOMALI CLANS they are :

It is clearly documented that the BANTUS were slaves brought to the HORN of AFRICA to graze the plantations in the South mainly since it is a fine almost tropical land if you like.

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I can not believe what I am reading here. I sincerely hope this is a typing error and you need t o clarify. The Bantu's are brought to Somalia to Graze the area. Since when did the Bantu's become animals that graze the land. You are digging yourself deeper and deeper into territory you do not wnat to be in. And while you are at it, answer the questions posed by Mluhya.

@Bacoo. I am familiar with the areas you mentioned.


 

THATS whats in the history books ave read SAY... READ THEM! im sure u will find the same thing..

thats what the arabs used them for... they used to treat them like animals.. well if you didnt know this now you know??

Mluhya............ BY THE WAY... THERE ARE CATS CALLED SOMALIS.... DNT KNW WHY.. DNT ASK ME...

 

 



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Wonder why there are no arrows for the last two..

were they discriminated against hmmm.. i wonder..

has this discrimination been passed down to the likes of ..."Submission"

sad really..

What happened to the Dream, " An Africa without Borders".. :shock:




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Mluhya.. see ur learning something new today.. keep looking..

if you trying to make a point.. i still dnt get it...:cool:

anywho..

there is no arrow for the last two beacuse they dnt come under anyother small groups... 

 



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 Posted: Monday February 26th, 2007 18:18

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... Think Nefertiti was more like this maybe ..or



or even ...



non are East African by the way.. who cares!

they are African Queens Mwah!

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OH PLEASE..

 

BEING SOMALIAN IS NOT A RACE, THE MAJORITY OF YOU TYPICAL LOOKING SOMALIANS ARE MIXED WITH SOMETHING. YOU NOT PURE BLOODED, YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING IN YOU, WHICH GIVES YOU A DISTICT LOOK THAT IS NOT TO MY TASTE, IF MY BEING HONEST, LETS GET REAL AND I KNOW IM BEING DREAD, BUT ITS THE TRUTH, I DONT THINK YOU ARE TO ANYONES TASTE, WHETHER ITS WEST AFRICAN OR WESTINDIANS. SO YOU CAN COME ON HERE HARPING ON ABOUT AFRICANS GRAZING THE FIELDS LIKE ANIMALS AND POSTING PICTURES OF YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY WITH YOUR TYPICAL SOMAILAN LOOKS. YOUR STILL JUST SOMALIAN, LIKE YOU ARE , LIKE YOU ALWAYS WILL BE. WE'VE NEVER LOOKED AT YOU AS BEING BLACK OR MIXED, BECAUSE YOUR JUST SOMALIAN.  WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO HYPE UP. HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN SCHOOL DAYS.

COMING ON HERE LIKE ITS FASHIONABLE TO BE SOMALIAN,  COME ON NOW. GET REAL. YEAH IM BEING PETTY, BUT ITS THE TRUTH.

 



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@Submission, either you are lacking in knowledge or you either have an agenda!confused3Much of the stuff you are spewing resembles some fo the racist material written by European anthropologists and historians.Some of them suggesteed, without any evidence, that Somalis where half breed Africans and similarly Ethiopians and other groups.This argued was used by Richard Burton and other classical racist eurocentric scholars.Typically, this was strategy which succeded in that the Europeans managed to divive and subdue people with this type of propoganda.The perfect case was with the Genocide in Rwanda.Thankfully, more recent research has blown these nonsensical arguments apart and proven these type of diverse looks are indegenous to Africa!
Regarding, the Bantu thing, again you are demostrating your ignorance.Bantu is not a racial or ethnic category rather it is a language category.For example:



Bantu Central African Tutsi

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 @Curvy Mama, complete and utter bullocks! Somalis are not mixed with "Something"!
 I suppose this man is a mongrel mixed with "something".



. Quote:The fact that the Ethiopians and Somalis have a subset of the sub-Saharan African haplotype diversity and that the non-African populations have a subset of the diversity present in Ethiopians and Somalis makes simple-admixture models less likely; rather, these observations support the hypothesis proposed by other nuclear-genetic studies (Tishkoff et al. 1996a, 1998a, 1998b; Kidd et al. 1998) that populations in northeastern Africa may have diverged from those in the rest of sub-Saharan Africa early in the history of modern African populations and that a subset of this northeastern-African population migrated out of Africa and populated the rest of the globe. These conclusions are supported by recent mtDNA analysis (Quintana-Murci et al. 1999).



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@East_African ..clp)clp)clp)

nicely said.. Thankyou!

.. another thing!.. i hate it when Others think that just because you light-skinned or have what they term some European Features, then you'r automatically mixed!.. please!....

Travel The world!.. better still visit!.. Africa!

Then you'll understand the meaning of diversity.. and yes there is mixing .. but not the way you ignorant ones are thinking!..

"If Africa is the Cradle.. then are the features really European?... or just a subset of the many diverse African Features??

Don't Know.. ?/ :shock:

@curvymama
... your statements  a bit worrying.. less focus on curves and more on brains.. maybe?

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East_African wrote: @Submission, either you are lacking in knowledge or you either have an agenda!confused3Much of the stuff you are spewing resembles some fo the racist material written by European anthropologists and historians.Some of them suggesteed, without any evidence, that Somalis where half breed Africans and similarly Ethiopians and other groups.This argued was used by Richard Burton and other classical racist eurocentric scholars.Typically, this was strategy which succeded in that the Europeans managed to divive and subdue people with this type of propoganda.The perfect case was with the Genocide in Rwanda.Thankfully, more recent research has blown these nonsensical arguments apart and proven these type of diverse looks are indegenous to Africa!
Regarding, the Bantu thing, again you are demostrating your ignorance.Bantu is not a racial or ethnic category rather it is a language category.For example:



Bantu Central African Tutsi

I will be back with more

 

 @Curvy Mama, complete and utter bullocks! Somalis are not mixed with "Something"!

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 I suppose this man is a mongrel mixed with "something".


 

 

WHATEVER YOU SAY.. THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE MIXED WITH SOMETHING.

WHATS YOUR PROBLEM WITH ME SAYING THAT.. IM NOT BEING IGNORANT,

DO YOU REALLY THINK IM REFERRING THAT THEY ARE MIXED WITH ANY NOT HUMAN, OH PLEASE, AS IF IM SAYING THAT.

MAY B THEY MIXED WIT A BIT OF BULL sh*t AND A LIL ARSEHOLD HEY, WHO KNOWS








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Oh sorry Guess your right..

They are African mixed with ... well African.. go figure!... nice mix eh?



like i said.. less curves more ......... :)



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Mluhya wrote: @East_African ..clp)clp)clp)

nicely said.. Thankyou!

.. another thing!.. i hate it when Others think that just because you light-skinned or have what they term some European Features, then you'r automatically mixed!.. please!....

Travel The world!.. better still visit!.. Africa!

Then you'll understand the meaning of diversity.. and yes there is mixing .. but not the way you ignorant ones are thinking!..

"If Africa is the Cradle.. then are the features really European?... or just a subset of the many diverse African Features??

Don't Know.. ?/ :shock:

@curvymama
... your statements  a bit worrying.. less focus on curves and more on brains.. maybe?

HOW MANY RACES DID GOD, CREATE. HE DID NOT CREATE THE SOMALI RACE, IM PRETTY SURE OF THAT, HE  CREATED OTHER PURE BLOODED RACES, WHO CAME TOGETHER AND MADE THE MIXED RACES, LIKE MOST OF YOU SOMALIANS. SOMALIANS CAN HAVE ANY COMPLEXION, I DONT NECESSARY ASSOCIATE SOMALI FEATURES WITH EUROPEANS, ALL I KNOW IS THAT ITS NOT PURE BLOODED, you are not pure blooded. end of.

whoever mixed and made you guys, did one heck of a job, theres no confusion as to what you are when we see you, the majority of you are definitley unique.



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