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LLoydy64 Wrote: Please note - No offence taken - And No offence intended.
You have your opinions - I have mine. Simple.Bless.
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Thanks LLoydy64. Lets agree to dis-agree. This is all a discussion to me so nothing personal to you or BP, Lucas, BT, like I said. After all we don't have to agree all the time. We got other battles to fight and we can agree on other things.
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Posted: Sunday September 3rd, 2006 22:04 |
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Kunjufu wrote: Black_power wrote: some people here STILL dont get it..
This thread isnt about me its about cutting off whole sections of people of which I represent only one section... the lovers of the lighter skin and long straight hair.
Vooonkuba is basically talking a load of hot air with that ridiculous change of name theory...what he seems to forget is this isnt an American centerd forum and neither does my love of a certain looks make me any less "black" the the next man..
Black Power: Maybe if you have time you can talk to Le moor privately and get him to understand the CONTEXT of this debate, maybe then he might let go of this personal agenda he appears to be on...
My personal agenda has always involved gutless individuals who insist on cheap shots via the 3rd person. Of course.
If you care Kunjufu why dont YOU explain to me what this threads agenda's about.
In return i will then be able to clear up any issues i have and any which you so obviously have a problem with, and how i feel they are relevant to this thread, or not if the case maybe.
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Posted: Sunday September 3rd, 2006 22:28 |
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Gmahogany wrote:
But it's not just VK. You've completely ignored the AA males on this Board who HAVE mentioned NOTICING sisters preferring light skin males for baby making purposes and what not. Because you yourself as well as other women in other threads repeatedly testified to the darker black males as the epitome of sexyness so why the switcheroo? There are always babys who want it their way.
The key idea in your premise, is that some women may like this type of man, other women will dig your type. Cool, but what if NO women dug your type? What if there was a general concensus among the women in your environment that men of your ilk were gargoyles, to be avoided at all cost. That men who looked like you were INFERIOR to men who looked another way, and even if they were charitable enough to deal with you, they constantly reminded you that they'd RATHER be dealing with the men that look opposite of how you look. Would you still have your swagger and confidence? Would it still be something that rolled off your back?
But now you're in the realms of fantasy and foolishness. Are you saying on BN or in the African community at large NOBODY likes dark women? Are you being serious? Do you read this forum at large or just BPs posts because this is so silly I can't take it.
Whatever fashion is the flavour of the month Gmahogany not every woman will like the same thing. If women all of a sudden liked skinny marga men or super fat men you expect me to bawl and cry because I'm not skinny or fat and women don't like me? I think this is dumb mentality but hey.
I'd venture to say that if this happened to you in your formative/teenage years, you would A. not develop that swagger, or B. have a lot of that swagger knocked off.
In my teenage years I was poor with a effd up afro and no chicks at all. I was skinny and lanky with spots and not popular. Is that somehow supposed to make me bitter against women or something? I'm supposed to hate chicks for not liking me when I was skinny? LOL
And as far as "swagger" goes that's just how wrong you're reading me and the other guys here. I think the reverse is true. I think it incredibly conceited to expect people to like me and only people who look like me. To get upset when people don't like me. That to me is vanity and swagger beyond compare. You're playing like we're being big ego macho heads or whatever when it's completly the opposite.
We don't expect everybody to love us all the time.
That's interesting that you would say that. The social pressured norm and what people are told they are SUPPOSED TO LIKE, is anything light and white, in every society where crackers have set their foot. Worrying about being pressured in the opposite direction has little or no basis, and seems a little strange to me.
We're talking about BN here and about men in the black communty. Again you have acknowledged that darker men are generally percieved to be more attractive so I'm not sure what your point is.
On BN lighter sisters are the source of all evil and darker sisters always bigged up. Except with one person who inspired this thread. One person does not a rule make. Please get this clear. Or is every other man here a liar?
You're supposed to be upset/take note/be affected because you LIKE women. This idea that heterosexual men don't pay attention to or care what women like is new to me. I recall very strong,proud brothers, on this VERY Board, chastising/lecturing sisters about how we have ultimate power and control over how men carry themselves, and how we must CHOOSE more carefully. Too many of us choose:lazy, no account, womanizing, baby making machines, or thugs and drug dealer types, thereby giving our stamp of approval and encouraging bros who normally wouldn't go that route, to consider doing so. Now all of a sudden, men don't watch and clock other men, to see who is "pulling all of the ho's", and adjust their game accordingly, compare themselves, sing the blues about what a nice guy they are, and how women don't seem to go for nice guys, ad nauseam. Sounds like somebody is watching somebody, to me. Sounds like somebody IS paying attention to what women like/respond to,to me.
Now you're going into social issues. If women like lazy deadbeats or abusers or thugs then yes that does annoy me because we're talking behavioural conditions and for me that's dumb. Hell yeah fine ass together women with sense dating stupid drug dealers vexes me. It's a mistake of sense and logic.
But women dating men who don't LOOK like me is none of my damn concern. That's a personal preference and since you were so insistent on that other thread that we're all black you should have less of a problem with it than I do. Yet you continue to support what I said back then... we won't rehash all that though
My point was, Black men in most places DON'T have to worry about this issue, because Black women in most places don't MAKE them have to worry about this particular issue. Even in places like the Carribean and AFrica where colorism is present, it is mostly maninfested in the light or white WOMAN ideal, not the light/white MAN ideal.
Can you not see that this is supporting my original point?
P.S. what that tells me, is that if given the right: circumstances, inspiration, environment, the "b**ch" in most men, can be made to reveal itself. There are exceptions to be sure, but they are exceptions, not the rule, imo.
As we can see on this very thread 
Which brings me to... this fellow
I will mention this only once to a point you made about my concern that my name be spelled right.
Boy I pointed out that YOU spelled MY name wrong after YOU made the initial fuss over others doing it to you. You don't see the irony because you're busy being a pompous ass.
To me Culture and Tradition are very important, something which you yourself subtly admitted as not being important to you which is quit amusing for someone who claims to be a continental African. Remember the Name threads that got deleted? So I expected this from you anyway.
So now you're subtly attempting to call ME a sellout for not being a b**ch about this like you? This reverse misdirection of perspective because you have nothing to say after I exposed your flawed debate and the lies you put in my mouth originally. Now you result to simply calling me a sellout and leaving it at that like you're the big man?
Saying you want peace with everybody else and can agree to disagree with everyone not me is a b**ch move dude but I'm too grown to play with you and it's too late at night. You have nothing more to offer in terms of reason or debate right now. Come better when you have more than cheap insults and avoidance of points.
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Posted: Sunday September 3rd, 2006 23:07 |
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Speaking as a female, I'll have to agree with you VK, also remember men are more open about their true feelings to women while preferring to play the **we are men, we make fire and kill things with our bare hand** ish. Men do get affected by it, i personally have experienced that side of it.
I also think people forget that this colourism ish does affect a lot of light skin women just as much as it affects dark skin women. Think about it as a light skin person you have the added bonus of having to whittle out men who choose you just for your skin tone.
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Posted: Sunday September 3rd, 2006 23:16 |
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sigh...
uh yah...
ok the evidence is right here for everyone to see...
how many men do y'all see crying over lightskin brothas pictures posted here..(post pics of the finest brothas)
no lets compare it to all the thread wars over lightskinned women...
no contest..
only a sissy man would let foolishness like that irk him
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The Watcher wrote: Gmahogany wrote:
But it's not just VK. You've completely ignored the AA males on this Board who HAVE mentioned NOTICING sisters preferring light skin males for baby making purposes and what not. Because you yourself as well as other women in other threads repeatedly testified to the darker black males as the epitome of sexyness so why the switcheroo? There are always babys who want it their way.
Actually, I don't feel that darker bros are the epitome of sexyness. I just don't think that light skinned bros are the epitome, either. I take that kind of thing on a case to case basis. I'm just as likely to extol the fineness of Ed Gordon as I am to extol the fineness of Morris Chestnut. I think some light skinned bros are sexy, I think some dark skinned bros are sexy. Some dark skinned bros make me want to hurl, some light skinned bros make me want to hurl,lol. You're right though, most sisters DO subscribe to the darker brothers are the epitome of sexy mantra, which is the point I was making all along. IN SPITE OF THAT CONSENSUS, you'll still find brothers NOTICING AND TAKING OFFENSE, at the the MINORITY of sisters who PREFER light skinned dudes. Which proves my point. If they notice and catch feelings over that, in spite of the fact that the overwhelming majority of us think THEY are the sh*t, what would they do if we ever started to flock to light skin in the same way that they do? They would,scream bloody murder, b**ch up and cry, just like I said they would,lol. The fact that we DON'T do that, as a general rule, is what allows them to have the blase, "have their cake and eat it too, attitude".
The key idea in your premise, is that some women may like this type of man, other women will dig your type. Cool, but what if NO women dug your type? What if there was a general concensus among the women in your environment that men of your ilk were gargoyles, to be avoided at all cost. That men who looked like you were INFERIOR to men who looked another way, and even if they were charitable enough to deal with you, they constantly reminded you that they'd RATHER be dealing with the men that look opposite of how you look. Would you still have your swagger and confidence? Would it still be something that rolled off your back?
But now you're in the realms of fantasy and foolishness. Are you saying on BN or in the African community at large NOBODY likes dark women? Are you being serious? Do you read this forum at large or just BPs posts because this is so silly I can't take it. No sir, that is not what I was implying. I was using a bit of hyperbole. I was actually thinking about the small window of time during the 80's (in the U.S.)when dark skinned bros were decidely NOT in, and light skinned bros were. I was recreating the world of a young Wesley Snipes, for instance, when in the environment he was in, it was an AGREED APON consensus among Black girls, that his TYPE was the bottom of the barrel,unattractive and undesirable.Hell, for that matter, he got teased by dudes, too. My point was, were that situation to extend out for a long enough time, it would definitely do damage to one's psyche,self esteem,etc. Even lasting a limited time, it had a profound effect.
Whatever fashion is the flavour of the month Gmahogany not every woman will like the same thing. If women all of a sudden liked skinny marga men or super fat men you expect me to bawl and cry because I'm not skinny or fat and women don't like me? I think this is dumb mentality but hey. I agree with you,sir. Though I would submit to you that though there have always been/will always be brothers who dig brown and dark sisters, dark skinned sisters were/are never the "flavor of the month"(not even during the Black is beautiful movement). The light skinned ideal endures every month, year in and out, decade in and out, in both our "sub"culture, as well as the larger culture. That, makes all the difference in the world, in regards to having a ces't la vie, attitude about the matter.
I'd venture to say that if this happened to you in your formative/teenage years, you would A. not develop that swagger, or B. have a lot of that swagger knocked off.
In my teenage years I was poor with a effd up afro and no chicks at all. I was skinny and lanky with spots and not popular. Is that somehow supposed to make me bitter against women or something? I'm supposed to hate chicks for not liking me when I was skinny? LOL
Back then they didn't want me, now I'm hot, they all on me.....You wouldn't be the first, if you were bitter,love.LOL. We all go through our "awkward" stages during our teens. It's fairly harmless for most of us, UNLESS the thing that caused rejection was enduring, permanent, and not overcomeable, in some way.
And as far as "swagger" goes that's just how wrong you're reading me and the other guys here. I think the reverse is true. I think it incredibly conceited to expect people to like me and only people who look like me. To get upset when people don't like me. That to me is vanity and swagger beyond compare. You're playing like we're being big ego macho heads or whatever when it's completly the opposite.
Are you saying that for non light skinned sisters to want a RESPITE from the 24/7 message that light or white is better/superior,which is omnimpresent EVERYWHERE ELSE,EXCEPT BLACKNET, is akin to expecting people to like us and ONLY us. Come come now. You're directing that argument towards the wrong folks.
We don't expect everybody to love us all the time.
Neither do we. If we did, we'd be sh*t out of luck,lol.
That's interesting that you would say that. The social pressured norm and what people are told they are SUPPOSED TO LIKE, is anything light and white, in every society where crackers have set their foot. Worrying about being pressured in the opposite direction has little or no basis, and seems a little strange to me.
We're talking about BN here and about men in the black communty. Again you have acknowledged that darker men are generally percieved to be more attractive so I'm not sure what your point is.
I was responding to your point that folks of brown/black hues should not want folks to like us because they feel PRESSURED to, or are being TOLD to. I was saying that's hardly something to lose sleep over. Even if on this one site, that message was given 24/7, it's just a drop in the bucket in comparison to the opposite message which we all receive in maximum amounts. It hardly makes a dent in the white/light at the top/black brown at the bottom, paradigm.
On BN lighter sisters are the source of all evil and darker sisters always bigged up. Except with one person who inspired this thread. One person does not a rule make. Please get this clear. Or is every other man here a liar?
Says who? I never disparage light skinned sisters, even defend them when I feel it's warranted. Even if there is SOME of that among others here, I'm sure the light skinned sisters can understand that what they may feel for a little of the time, within these confines, brown and darker skinned sisters feel ALL THE TIME, outside these confines. Besides that, regardless of the rhetoric that may go on here, they KNOW that there is no shortage of love for them, among Black men. Let's keep it grimy, now.
You're supposed to be upset/take note/be affected because you LIKE women. This idea that heterosexual men don't pay attention to or care what women like is new to me. I recall very strong,proud brothers, on this VERY Board, chastising/lecturing sisters about how we have ultimate power and control over how men carry themselves, and how we must CHOOSE more carefully. Too many of us choose:lazy, no account, womanizing, baby making machines, or thugs and drug dealer types, thereby giving our stamp of approval and encouraging bros who normally wouldn't go that route, to consider doing so. Now all of a sudden, men don't watch and clock other men, to see who is "pulling all of the ho's", and adjust their game accordingly, compare themselves, sing the blues about what a nice guy they are, and how women don't seem to go for nice guys, ad nauseam. Sounds like somebody is watching somebody, to me. Sounds like somebody IS paying attention to what women like/respond to,to me.
Now you're going into social issues. If women like lazy deadbeats or abusers or thugs then yes that does annoy me because we're talking behavioural conditions and for me that's dumb. Hell yeah fine ass together women with sense dating stupid drug dealers vexes me. It's a mistake of sense and logic.
But women dating men who don't LOOK like me is none of my damn concern. That's a personal preference and since you were so insistent on that other thread that we're all black you should have less of a problem with it than I do. Yet you continue to support what I said back then... we won't rehash all that though
So men watch/clock other men that women choose/prefer when it comes to behavior,but not when it comes to physical characteristics, ok. Fair enough. No, let's rehash the other issue. Just because we are the same, doesn't mean that blatant favoritism/preferential treatment won't cause rifts and undermine unity. I fundamentally see CA's, AA's, WI's as the same, doesn't mean I don't/won't go ballistic when I perceive preferential treatment or double standards on this board in reference to certain things. As I said before, blatant favortism/preferential treatment can cause rifts/conflicts between SIBLINGS, if allowed to go on unchecked. My aversion to that, has nothing to do with not viewing light skinned sisters as part of the fam, so stop trying to work that angle,love.
My point was, Black men in most places DON'T have to worry about this issue, because Black women in most places don't MAKE them have to worry about this particular issue. Even in places like the Carribean and AFrica where colorism is present, it is mostly maninfested in the light or white WOMAN ideal, not the light/white MAN ideal.
Can you not see that this is supporting my original point? How? I thought your original point was that bros don't worry about this stuff cuz it's not in their male nature. My point is IT IS IN THEIR NATURE, and they WILL worry about it, if sisters give them reason to. Men CAN be made to feel insecure, just like women can. They may or may not MANIFEST their insecurity the same way we do(may do differnt things to get their equilibrium/swagger back, may HIDE it better), but that doesn't mean they haven't been knocked down a peg or two,lol.
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Posted: Monday September 4th, 2006 08:49 |
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Vubundada_Kandaba wrote: Gmahogany wrote:Yep, and often some of the same men who jump in with both feet to this phenomenon, will be the MAIN ones pissing and moaning, or throwing salt at the Genuwine's, Christopher Williames,Shemar Moores of the world, when sisters show them love(can't tell u how many times those dudes sexuality gets questioned if u imply that u like them,meanwhile it's the "hard core N****rs" with the bald heads on that rah rah bs, you better watch,lol), crying about how THEY didn't get shown love cuz they weren't light skinned.
It's real smooth, set up a situation where as a brown or dark skinnned BLack man, I can chase down the lightest Black women I can find(strictly based on them being light mind u), and not have my loyalty/psyche questioned, but hurl charges of disloyalty towards sisters who show ANY interest in ANY brother who happens to be light, even if she has dated all shades of brother..Thats how I know for a fact how THESE PARTICULAR NEGROES IN aMERICA would act, if sisters ever seriously gave them a dose of their own medicine.
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You are right on point sister. They know exactly what I am talking about but pretending that it never happens. There are some black-men out there that does not let this issue affect them but on the real they are a tiny minority it is like a needle in a hay stack. The only way we can cure the Black African community from this issue is by us admitting that it is a major, major problem and it is an instrument of division. Let us admit our mistakes and acknowledge faults within our community and then we can begin the healing process. Kinda reminds me of the mess Africa is in because our leaders will never admit to their mistakes so while other nations prosper we keep slipping back and back and we can't solve even simple problems.
This morning when I was getting ready for church I was flipping through th T.V channels and something caught my attention when I reached the MTV channel. There was this show called Next or somethhing like that where contestants go on a date and they get paid according to the minutes they last in the date. Basically there were five black guys who went out on a date with one black sister who is a bit dark complexion but very very beautiful and stunning and the way she talks indicates she is very smart, she was about 5'8", slim and looks like she could be on the cat walk as model. Anyway, she like the last guy who went out with her who did not get nexted. She then asked him if he wants to take the money or go out on a second date with her. He looked at her and said, " I will take the money because you are not my type" point blank. You can see the pain in the sister's eye and she was unable to say a word. That was a very fine sister but probably she was too dark for him I don't know, I am just making an assumption here because I did not see any fault with the sister at all. Makes me wonder how the guy will feel if the situation is reversed. This is what I was trying to project here.
Black men can dismiss the issue, because it doesn't adversely affect them, most of the time. Colorism generally manifests and plays out as light skin being exalted in women, NOT in men. We have evidence from the time in AMerica in the 80's when it DID adversely affect them for a short time, and how they had veritable HISSY FITS, over it, and STILL can't let it go, in some instances, to show us that their supposed INDIFFERENCE, is contingent on not being truly confronted with the consequences of the matter, not on their Natural male, stoicism. It's like bragging about the indestructability of a ship, that's never been to sea, much less in a storm.
Your example from the tv show reminds me of something that happened when I was younger, and how influenced we are by messages of what WE ARE SUPPOSED TO FIND ATTRACTIVE.
When I was growing up in the DC area, one of my good friends was a young lady from Ghana. I've mentioned on other threads that I also grew up with some mixed race kids, who always identified as Black, Anyway, one of the mixed race guys from this family, my family was friends with, and this young lady from Ghana hit it off. Anytime we'd all be hanging out in the neighborhood, they would pair off and spend a lot of time talking and joking. It was OBVIOUS that they liked each other. I was about 12 at this time, both of them were a year older than I was. My Ghananian friend was fairly Americanized in look and in demeanor, mind you. One day out of the blue, the mixed race dude pulls me aside and asks me if it's true that my friend is "African". I said yes, she's from Ghana. I could tell from the way he was acting that in spite of the fact that he liked her/was attracted to her, he was hung up on the fact that she was "African" and all of the negative connotations that went with that, as far as Blacks in AMerica were concerned. He just kept saying it over and over again, like "dAMN, I like her, but she's AFRICAN". He probably felt like he would get teased, by other guys, etc. You'd have to understand the level of ignorance and mythology that a lot of Blacks in America bought into at that time,for his attitude to make sense.
I'm almost ashamed to recount that story. EVen at that age, I could perceive the backwardsness of it. I said all that to say, that we get messages submliminally and otherwise, about what we are supposed to lust after, find attractive, furthermore, there are group/cultural/societal SANCTIONS, both subtle and not so subtle, to make us tow the line, in that regard.
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Abissinia wrote: Speaking as a female, I'll have to agree with you VK, also remember men are more open about their true feelings to women while preferring to play the **we are men, we make fire and kill things with our bare hand** ish. Men do get affected by it, i personally have experienced that side of it.
I also think people forget that this colourism ish does affect a lot of light skin women just as much as it affects dark skin women. Think about it as a light skin person you have the added bonus of having to whittle out men who choose you just for your skin tone.
Thanks for keeping it real,ABS. I also don't doubt that colorism affects light skinned sisters too, especially the conscious ones, who don't see the situtation as something to be exploited. I've heard several conscious light skinned sisters talk about being made to feel like they are SUBSTITUTING for a white woman, for a lot of brothers who exclusively date light(don't want the criticism of dating white, though that's what they REALLY want to do), and how offended they are, by men who come at them on that level.
There was a scene in Jungle Fever that dealt with that. Wesley Snipes character was married to a very light skinned sister played by acting vet, Lonette McKee(who is half white), eventually, he left her and got him a FULL FLEDGED,white woman, and she commented on that. Her darker skin friends, told her that they get played by dudes like her husband for her type, and now she's getting played by him, for the "ultimate" prize, a white woman. That's why I said earlier, that I have no beef with light skinned sisters(except the ones who don't keep it real). They. in many instances, are being used by some of these Negroes to act out their self hating psychosis on, and that is definitely NOT a good look.
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Posted: Monday September 4th, 2006 10:38 |
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I didn't read all the replies in this thread but did this whole discussion just turn
from a captain save-a-brotha post into a discussion about lightskinned females.
LOL! blackchat ain't change one bit. LOL!
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welcome back dawg....
long time noe see
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Posted: Monday September 4th, 2006 11:58 |
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Black_power wrote: welcome back dawg....
long time noe see
Whatttupdoe? Yeah its been a while. I miss this forum man. Time for me to get back to my roots. LOL!
I see they been coming down hard on a brotha lately got Kunjufu helping you fight the dogs off I see. LOL! Man you know you gotta dust the haters off and charge it to the game.
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Posted: Monday September 4th, 2006 19:26 |
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Sooofresh wrote:
and with jazztalking.........you cannot assinate the character of the person over one day, or even two........jazztalking blew up after being TAUNTED for WEEKS by blackpower..........you know how that punk goes..............posting little offensive posts without mentioning names knowing the person will react........okay jazztalking did react oevr the top.......i would say Bp even tried it with me............giving him b**chy comments except that i retailiated and made it clear to watch who is talking to cause i am not chantel7, jazztalking or any other members he can get away with taunting NO SIR!...........lol
Why in the hell are you bringing up my name in this thread?? you know me? Any discussion i had with BP is all water under the bridge,, me and BP are cool u just got have a sense of humour and not take him too seriously.
Any discrepancies i had with BP was one of those things that happen just like you and obal but you two took it to a different level
I like Bp, take him has you see him, or just stay away from him basically.
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Posted: Monday September 4th, 2006 21:37 |
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BlackChild wrote: I didn't read all the replies in this thread but did this whole discussion just turn
from a captain save-a-brotha post into a discussion about lightskinned females.
LOL! blackchat ain't change one bit. LOL!
Exactly and my man wants to chat to ME bout PREMISE.
And hear the joke......this after me complaining about INCONSISTANCY.
Damm right BN aint changed
lol..
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Posted: Monday September 4th, 2006 22:20 |
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Le Moor wrote: BlackChild wrote: I didn't read all the replies in this thread but did this whole discussion just turn
from a captain save-a-brotha post into a discussion about lightskinned females.
LOL! blackchat ain't change one bit. LOL!
Exactly and my man wants to chat to ME bout PREMISE.
And hear the joke......this after me complaining about INCONSISTANCY.
Damm right BN aint changed
lol..
What folks fail to understand is that Blacknet is not a democracy,never has been,never will.
I repeat never has been,never will.
What it is as ive said before......is a
Benevolent Dictatorship
Which is fine with me.
And under this kind of rule,suggestions can be made,gripes can be aired and sometimes they will be entertained and acted upon......
but at the end of the day..........
The dictatorship rules.
Those who don't like it can try to overthrow it.......or
They can leave......or
They can cherry pick the bits they do like and roll with that.......or
They can start up their own Village.
Simple as.
I work with option three.
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Posted: Tuesday September 5th, 2006 01:30 |
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jett black wrote: Le Moor wrote: BlackChild wrote: I didn't read all the replies in this thread but did this whole discussion just turn
from a captain save-a-brotha post into a discussion about lightskinned females.
LOL! blackchat ain't change one bit. LOL!
Exactly and my man wants to chat to ME bout PREMISE.
And hear the joke......this after me complaining about INCONSISTANCY.
Damm right BN aint changed
lol..
What folks fail to understand is that Blacknet is not a democracy,never has been,never will.
I repeat never has been,never will.
What it is as ive said before......is a
Benevolent Dictatorship
Which is fine with me.
And under this kind of rule,suggestions can be made,gripes can be aired and sometimes they will be entertained and acted upon......
but at the end of the day..........
The dictatorship rules.
Those who don't like it can try to overthrow it.......or
They can leave......or
They can cherry pick the bits they do like and roll with that.......or
They can start up their own Village.
Simple as.
I work with option three.
How about option 4, we vent our valid opinions enough times and they're eventually given the respect they deserve. As we have done before here on BN.
Furthermore do you think i will be losing any sleep on whether poilicies change here or not. No, im just exercising my right to post on a forum same as you just have. That right would involve not having to tolerate a Moderator chatting to me orginally about "Diagolue", "Agenda/Premise" and "Venting Spleens", in the context he has, without me explaining how in this instance its relevant for him to know, how his words directly impact upon himself. All im my most honest humble opinion if thats ok with you and i assume its OK with BN as there are no deletions of my posts just yet.
We our the customers here, and i for one live by the premise 'the customer is always right'.
It's worth hanging onto what you believe in as you never know it may eventually change. I mean we even have an indirect start here. Kunfuju has started a thread on an issue which some of us have been mentioning from time. Guess thats progress even if he hasnt quite worked out that the next stage, IMPLEMENTATION, would actually would involve himself taking ownership.
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Posted: Tuesday September 5th, 2006 03:00 |
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Abissinia wrote: Speaking as a female, I'll have to agree with you VK, also remember men are more open about their true feelings to women while preferring to play the **we are men, we make fire and kill things with our bare hand** ish. Men do get affected by it, i personally have experienced that side of it.
I also think people forget that this colourism ish does affect a lot of light skin women just as much as it affects dark skin women. Think about it as a light skin person you have the added bonus of having to whittle out men who choose you just for your skin tone.
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@Abs; True dat Abs, it goes both ways. That is why it is always better to try to know/gauge the persons true feelings/intentions before proceeeding any further in the relationship like you said. I was friends with my present girl for a a couple of months before we took the relationship further. The way things have progressed nowdays; I don't think we can have women like Queen Eyleuka of Ethiopia, Queen Candace of Meroe ( Sudan) who led an army of men that caused Alexander the Great to flee, or Queen Nzinga M'Bandi who defeated the Portuguese. In those days we had women who tool control and the men proudly gave way without shame for the women to save the land from invaders.
@DrunkMonkey. Just because I did not mention your name does not mean I am holding a grudge againts you, that is not my style. I have already moved on and we can agree on other things and agree to dis-agree on others.
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Posted: Tuesday September 5th, 2006 03:31 |
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Le Moor wrote: jett black wrote: Le Moor wrote: BlackChild wrote: I didn't read all the replies in this thread but did this whole discussion just turn
from a captain save-a-brotha post into a discussion about lightskinned females.
LOL! blackchat ain't change one bit. LOL!
Exactly and my man wants to chat to ME bout PREMISE.
And hear the joke......this after me complaining about INCONSISTANCY.
Damm right BN aint changed
lol..
What folks fail to understand is that Blacknet is not a democracy,never has been,never will.
I repeat never has been,never will.
What it is as ive said before......is a
Benevolent Dictatorship
Which is fine with me.
And under this kind of rule,suggestions can be made,gripes can be aired and sometimes they will be entertained and acted upon......
but at the end of the day..........
The dictatorship rules.
Those who don't like it can try to overthrow it.......or
They can leave......or
They can cherry pick the bits they do like and roll with that.......or
They can start up their own Village.
Simple as.
I work with option three.
How about option 4, we vent our valid opinions enough times and they're eventually given the respect they deserve. As we have done before here on BN.
Furthermore do you think i will be losing any sleep on whether poilicies change here or not. No, im just exercising my right to post on a forum same as you just have. That right would involve not having to tolerate a Moderator chatting to me orginally about "Diagolue", "Agenda/Premise" and "Venting Spleens", in the context he has, without me explaining how in this instance its relevant for him to know, how his words directly impact upon himself. All im my most honest humble opinion if thats ok with you and i assume its OK with BN as there are no deletions of my posts just yet.
We our the customers here, and i for one live by the premise 'the customer is always right'.
It's worth hanging onto what you believe in as you never know it may eventually change. I mean we even have an indirect start here. Kunfuju has started a thread on an issue which some of us have been mentioning from time. Guess thats progress even if he hasnt quite worked out that the next stage, IMPLEMENTATION, would actually would involve himself taking ownership.
Damn Fascist Moderators. LOL! The Patriot Act in Full Effect on BN. I thought this was a village aren't most villages Democratic. f**k a dictator f**k a dictatorship Castros about to kick the bucket so will you. Yeah I said it....WHAT!!! There are enough bright minds here to seperate the phonies, fakes, dummies, from the ignorant and crazy. If someones post is threatening to you simply challenge it or K.I.M. Police your own mind and we will be alright. The villages need to stand up. "La Revolucion" LOL!
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Posted: Tuesday September 5th, 2006 03:49 |
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@ Everyone
I have said this before, i can understand where Black power is coming from, maybe its a generation and a similar cultural background thing...I dont know. .
whole Dark Skinned versus Light skinned debate though... Were all black no matter the color or shade. We all come from God. So what if he likes a certain type of woman and expresses that openly. Whats the problem?
Not just BP though, I really don't understand what the issue is here. I thought BNV was a about being open and strong minded? In this day and age there are now, wheter it is as often as some people would like the promotion of attractive DARK SKINNED women, espically within the African American womens beauty magazines. Yes, there is more advertised lighter skinned women, unfortuantely that is the game we are in. We have to deal with it and move on.
There are many DARK SKINNED and LIGHT SKINNED attracitve people. People in here should not loose any sleep over it because there are people up in BNV who post pictures of attractive dark skinned models as much as BP post pics of light skinned models, so really whats the problem.... just becasue a person feels to be attracted to a more light skinned person does not mean that in this modern era we have to keep going on about it. WHY?
I really don't have a problem with him, the guy gives me joke! The issue of being a 'real' african, now that is a whole new different topic and area I mean common...WHY . I don't personally know BP but isnt his culture West Indian, maybe not...but if he is how can he be a 'real' african? If he is West Indian?
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN THE ISSUE WITH HIM? I THINK I MISSED IT. HOW COME Y'ALL DONT LIKE HIM ?
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Posted: Tuesday September 5th, 2006 03:49 |
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@ Everyone
I have said this before, i can understand where Black power is coming from, maybe its a generation and a similar cultural background thing...I dont know. .
whole Dark Skinned versus Light skinned debate though... Were all black no matter the color or shade. We all come from God. So what if he likes a certain type of woman and expresses that openly. Whats the problem?
Not just BP though, I really don't understand what the issue is here. I thought BNV was a about being open and strong minded? In this day and age there are now, wheter it is as often as some people would like the promotion of attractive DARK SKINNED women, espically within the African American womens beauty magazines. Yes, there is more advertised lighter skinned women, unfortuantely that is the game we are in. We have to deal with it and move on.
There are many DARK SKINNED and LIGHT SKINNED attracitve people. People in here should not loose any sleep over it because there are people up in BNV who post pictures of attractive dark skinned models as much as BP post pics of light skinned models, so really whats the problem.... just becasue a person feels to be attracted to a more light skinned person does not mean that in this modern era we have to keep going on about it. WHY?
I really don't have a problem with him, the guy gives me joke! The issue of being a 'real' african, now that is a whole new different topic and area I mean common...WHY . I don't personally know BP but isnt his culture West Indian, maybe not...but if he is how can he be a 'real' african? If he is West Indian?
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN THE ISSUE WITH HIM? I THINK I MISSED IT. HOW COME Y'ALL DONT LIKE HIM ?
Peace and Love
Ms Price
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