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Posted: Thursday August 31st, 2006 10:04 |
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stick-upKid wrote: Blah blah blah.
In the interest of diverse opinions, why don't you unban Jazztalking?
He sounds like a genius and much needed 'out of the box' thinker that we need round these parts...
Simple tings.
Stick Up..I'm not sure if you read the exchange properly...I did not intent to ban the man, he effectively BANNED himself... and if you think that's ok for someone to collude with a known Anti Black organisation then for me you're very strange....
But to answer your question..not in my lifetime...sorry
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Posted: Thursday August 31st, 2006 10:13 |
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wow what a thread...
Aryek has finally made ONE valid point believe it or not there are more people out there who think like me then like you who think I am "lost"
what about the people who just wanna get along?..
what about all the rainbow mixers??..
what about all those who simple cant be asked with all the revolutionary stuff??
Also who are some of you? and HOW DARE you people class anyone as lost when you eat sh*t and do the same things as most of them on a day to day basis
oh and just one line to the petty ones who choose to use this as a platform to insult
"im like god to you peons"
and god has punished enough already......remember I know what you look like.
V-K (on the subject of my name)
You wanna know how my name came about?? ill fill you in..
I actually used to own a black honda prelude....kitted up to show standard..one of the stickers on it was "black power" the name of the car I then change changed it to match myself as safetyblitz did state I like liftin and hjave lifted for many years do im quite "advanced" or atleast I like to think so anyway
BUT shouldnt one be allowed to choose any name they like within reason? why MUST I choose a name thats neutral
anyway just skimming through ill be addressing more of you as I see fit.
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Posted: Thursday August 31st, 2006 10:40 |
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*eddit*
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Posted: Thursday August 31st, 2006 11:09 |
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BP, remember the words "Pure and True African"? And how it was really the center of a drama that got some dude banned? My impression was that why you loathe anything or anyone African, you somehow feel it is wrong for Africa to consider you unfit and unpure to be African! That is the one theme that runs through your views which we are "analysing" and explaining away!
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Posted: Thursday August 31st, 2006 11:14 |
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Posted: Thursday August 31st, 2006 11:16 |
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LOL trust me I dont have to remind you. But I do have a few words from Fela Kuti. "Water no get enemy". It flows and bends its way through obstacles 
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Posted: Thursday August 31st, 2006 11:19 |
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so I take it your the water then?
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Posted: Thursday August 31st, 2006 11:24 |
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Posted: Thursday August 31st, 2006 11:25 |
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BP, remember the words "Pure and True African"? And how it was really the center of a drama that got some dude banned? My impression was that why you loathe anything or anyone African, you somehow feel it is wrong for Africa to consider you unfit and unpure to be African! That is the one theme that runs through your views which we are "analysing" and explaining away!
I think youve somehow missed the boat again geezer...this thread aint about me...my name was just used.. read the opening posts and not the rants of infidels
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Posted: Thursday August 31st, 2006 12:10 |
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"Why are some so quick discard and write off Black people like BP, and why are other even quicker to use others as a footstool on which to position themselves as ‘better’. For me there is no point in preaching a mantra.. if that mantra has no relevance outside of the clique from which it is spoken in reverence… If the mantra of Africaness cannot be relayed or translated to people like BP..and others like him…then it’s a bankrupt ideology that will deserve to die with the generation that cleave to it like a drowning man without a lifebuoy…"
yes K these people think they are the ones who are going to "save the black race" what fools... they are not even qualified to tie their own shoelaces let alone save a race... arrogance it what makes these jokers thing they can write off and entire section of people.
The average black person you meet id take a wild guess and say they may only think of black upliftment when they they read something or watch something on the telly, kinda like a out of site out of mind mentality. see having gone to carnival monday and being surrounded by people of african decent I wasnt handed one flyer on black issues nor heard any speakers talking about African related subjects.
Yes these same "superblacks" will come and beg to us average folk with money for african relief ect ect...claiming we are all one face to face then talking down on line.. cowards.
Let them seperate themselves...they will die happy thinking they are better that the common street Ni**as.
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Posted: Thursday August 31st, 2006 12:17 |
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Woah steady there BP...you're kicking off but don't forget it was kunjufu who used your name thereby inviting attacks from everyone with a grudge.
On that basis Kunjufu I think this thread is unhelpful.
There is division amongst people - heck I can name all the people who won't ever reply to me in a thread simply because i've said something they don't like in the past! --YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!! You petty idiots!!!
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Posted: Thursday August 31st, 2006 12:20 |
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naa im not having a pop at K for useing my name although he probably knew it would attract the rats
just remeber the words in my sig... ring true everytime.
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Posted: Thursday August 31st, 2006 12:51 |
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stick-upKid wrote: Woah steady there BP...you're kicking off but don't forget it was kunjufu who used your name thereby inviting attacks from everyone with a grudge.
On that basis Kunjufu I think this thread is unhelpful.
There is division amongst people - heck I can name all the people who won't ever reply to me in a thread simply because i've said something they don't like in the past! --YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!! You petty idiots!!!
Petty indeed. I know I am in the same boat with you in regards to some people here as well. But hey, live and let live...
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Posted: Thursday August 31st, 2006 13:02 |
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its ironic while this thread was raging on I was at carnival wining up with many big batty big breasted women.
grenadian....trini...jamaican...st lucian gyal all dem get grind carnival day.
And if any are reading this... I was the dude in the red shirt eith the ferrari logo and the big chain drinking the skol super.
then I came back to this.
oh and for the record at this point in time im not 28.... one day I will be though
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Posted: Thursday August 31st, 2006 14:30 |
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Black_power wrote: wow what a thread...
Aryek has finally made ONE valid point believe it or not there are more people out there who think like me then like you who think I am "lost"
what about the people who just wanna get along?..
what about all the rainbow mixers??..
what about all those who simple cant be asked with all the revolutionary stuff??
Also who are some of you? and HOW DARE you people class anyone as lost when you eat sh*t and do the same things as most of them on a day to day basis
oh and just one line to the petty ones who choose to use this as a platform to insult
"im like god to you peons"
and god has punished enough already......remember I know what you look like.
Lol, it's not even funny how quick you are to take something I say out of context to support your view. Don't twist my words. I don't play the safety in numbers game. Every single black person can think the exact same way that you do and you would still be liable to be labelled as lost. And what about the people "who just wanna get along"? Your rainbow mixers aren't black so what do they have to do with this thread? And just because you eat, sh*t and do the same things that someone does on a daily basis, does not mean that you can't criticize them. A racist white person eats, sh*ts and does most of the same things that you do but you never seem to mind calling them crackers, now do you? Same goes for women whom you don't mind calling tricks and hoes.
Lol @ I'm like god comment. Don't blasphemy.
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Posted: Thursday August 31st, 2006 14:37 |
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I have nothing to ADD to this thread other than..
the "I'm like God to you...________" line was taken from BEEF3....
50 cent said that to domination and bang em smurf....
haaha he used the n word though....
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| @DtotheJ.. I thought I was the only that notice that too....
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Posted: Thursday August 31st, 2006 15:45 |
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Kunjufu wrote: Lady Stirrer wrote: Hold on....... If this is about something he said on another forum why are you posting about it on here???
Besides I'm seeing a lot of contradictions here.........Certain people have made comments about BP thinking like an individual and stuff because he makes "unique" comments........But I saw the same people knocking Le Moor about the bluefoot thread and he was called a sellout and coconut because he said we shouldn't use that word.........Bare favourism ah gwan round here, thats why I don't post here too much...
Everyone has to think a certain way or act a certain way on here otherwise they are not considered "Afrikan" enough and is labelled as a sellout.....How comes its ok for bp to have a diversed opinion but when someone like Le Moor speaks about something he doesn't like he gets shot down.....
Mods fix up!!!
Lady Stirrer...you know it would really help if you ACTUALLY read the premise of this thread..and then make a PROPER comprison on a like for like issue....
Here is the single most important flaw in your argument..Le moor is still here, no one to my knowledge from the Admin team has suggested that he should be banned or that other Villagers should not talk or engage with him....
And when we have taken issue with said person it is not I assure you in regards to his views but more his inability to have a TWO way dilologue about it without getting personal....and if you check any debate involving said person OBJECTIVELY you will note that that view is not limited to the Mod team...
Hold up.......I never said anything about Le Moor being banned or anyone shunning him, its YOU that needs to read and understand the premise of what I just wrote and give me a PROPER response......The thing I've got a problem with is the contradictions that go on in the village and I used the example of Le Moor and how he was thrown away as a sellout and coconut when he said we shouldn't refer to the term "bluefoot" here......
Now I see you defend BP when he made an outlandish comment that got posters upset on the other site......But why didn't you defend Le Moor and others when they've been the target of this type of abuse??....whether or not you argee as a moderator you should reprimand and warn people for making those kind of statments if someone is simply expressing their opinions......and this should be for EVERYONE not just BP......now you may argue that you are not just referring to BP in this thread in which case you should've made a thread like this ages ago........Thats what I meant when I told you mods to fix up
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Posted: Thursday August 31st, 2006 15:53 |
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@All Kun is simply using BP to illustrate a point - please understand that and quit unnecessarily tainting the real argument...
This is a very interesting thread...
BP is just real - Full stop.
I won't pretend that I agree with all of his posts but I will always respect him because he is always REAL about his opinion.
Sometimes he fools around and I don't see anything wrong with that either... Nothing wrong with having a sense of humour.
I for one enjoy reading some of BPs posts for the simple fact that even though I might not always agree with the post I sometimes still find his rhetoric/dialogue funny.
Admittedly what one person might find funny another may not but that is no reason to classify someone a sellout as humour is usually tongue in cheek.
I personally draw the line at grossly immoral conduct or a grossly immoral outlook on any part but that's just me.
And....
Everyone is entitled to have a sexual preference - it's just natural - some brothers like fairer sistas with straighter hair and some brothas like natural hair, darker skinned sistas... that's just natural...
In the same breath I will say that it is wrong to "put down" sistas who aren't similar to your preference...
In all honesty this forum would benefit from more people with BPs characteristics and THAT's a fact.
I'm talking about being real even if you know your opinion isn't necessarily popular!!
Also there is no such thing as the perfect African - for crying out loud - LOL - we are all products of our individual experiences and as such likely to hold different views on different subject matter.
And...
What's with this perfect African BOLLOCKS anyway because THAT IS WHAT IT IS - PERIOD.
Why don't people just concentrate on being better people for f**ks sake - I will forever champion the argument that we are ALL human - White, black, whatever - we all bleed, we all breath - we need to stop ostricising people because of their ethnicity and concentrate on bettering ourselves and treating EVERYONE regardless of ethnicity FAIRLY damnit!
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@Le Moor - I must have completely missed the thread about calling white people BLUEFOOTS - sh*t!!!
That is something I definitely DON'T agree with!
How in the f**k could anyone try to Justify that??????
With what arguments?????
Don't really matter - ALL arguments are FLAWED on this particualar point without a doubt.
I don't care for any opinions on this matter at all anyway as mine will never change - Trust.
The facts are simple.
It is wrong to refer to white people like that - PERIOD.
just like it is WRONG for other races to refer to us as "N****r"
just like it is WRONG for other races to refer to asian people as "P*kis"
We are ALL HUMAN and need to learn to treat each other with respect and FAIRLY.
No long ting - no argument - that's just the facts.
By refering to other nations in this deragotory fashion you are subscribing to the FALSE notion that you are in some way superior.
And on top of the fact that thinking you're superior to another person is bullsh*t - that small minded outlook gets no one nowhere and hinders progress from a sociological perspective.
Everyone is special in their own way.
WE ARE ALL THE SAME - Neither perfect or imperfect - Just HUMAN.
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Posted: Thursday August 31st, 2006 15:58 |
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LLoydy64 wrote: @All Kun is simply using BP to illustrate a point - please understand that and quit unnecessarily tainting the real argument...
This is a very interesting thread...
BP is just real - Full stop.
I won't pretend that I agree with all of his posts but I will always respect him because he is always REAL about his opinion.
Sometimes he fools around and I don't see anything wrong with that either... Nothing wrong with having a sense of humour.
I for one enjoy reading some of BPs posts for the simple fact that even though I might not always agree with the post I sometimes still find his rhetoric/dialogue funny.
Admittedly what one person might find funny another may not but that is no reason to classify someone a sellout as humour is usually tongue in cheek.
I personally draw the line at grossly immoral conduct or a grossly immoral outlook on any part but that's just me.
And....
Everyone is entitled to have a sexual preference - it's just natural - some brothers like fairer sistas with straighter hair and some brothas like natural hair, darker skinned sistas... that's just natural...
In the same breath I will say that it is wrong to "put down" sistas who aren't similar to your preference...
In all honesty this forum would benefit from more people with BPs characteristics and THAT's a fact.
I'm talking about being real even if you know your opinion isn't necessarily popular!!
Also there is no such thing as the perfect African - for crying out loud - LOL - we are all products of our individual experiences and as such likely to hold different views on different subject matter.
And...
What's with this perfect African BOLLOCKS anyway because THAT IS WHAT IT IS - PERIOD.
Why don't people just concentrate on being better people for f**ks sake - I will forever champion the argument that we are ALL human - White, black, whatever - we all bleed, we all breath - we need to stop ostricising people because of their ethnicity and concentrate on bettering ourselves and treating EVERYONE regardless of ethnicity FAIRLY damnit!
Also
@Le Moor - I must have completely missed the thread about calling white people BLUEFOOTS - sh*t!!!
That is something I definitely DON'T agree with!
How in the f**k could anyone try to Justify that??????
With what arguments?????
Don't really matter - ALL arguments are FLAWED on this particualar point without a doubt.
I don't care for any opinions on this matter at all anyway as mine will never change - Trust.
The facts are simple.
It is wrong to refer to white people like that - PERIOD.
just like it is WRONG for other races to refer to us as "N****r"
just like it is WRONG for other races to refer to asian people as "P*kis"
We are ALL HUMAN and need to learn to treat each other with respect and FAIRLY.
No long ting - no argument - that's just the facts.
By refering to other nations in this deragotory fashion you are subscribing to the FALSE notion that you are in some way superior.
And on top of the fact that thinking you're superior to another person is bullsh*t - that small minded outlook gets no one nowhere and hinders progress from a sociological perspective.
Everyone is special in their own way.
WE ARE ALL THE SAME - Neither perfect or imperfect - Just HUMAN.
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Dude come up for air man....
breathe....
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@Lucas - I've got enough air Bro - Just airing my views.
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Posted: Thursday August 31st, 2006 16:14 |
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Mmmmm dems some long views my old friend....
hmmm
im just playin... i do actually agree with you....
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Posted: Thursday August 31st, 2006 16:56 |
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Le Moor wrote: @ Aryek. Of course im going bring up the example of the Bluefoot thread. Its exactly what this thread is about.
You still dont geddit. Unfortuanely your insults cut deep with me. Not in the sense of the name calling, more in the mentality that you feel i shouldn't have the right to think for myself and instead fall in line with the BN mentality... I take grave offence to this intimidation, believe, and will continue to.
Humph, last time I checked I wasn't receiving any payment for enforcing this so called BN mentality so why you'd think that I was trying to force you to uphold this mentality is beyond me. Understand that my views are my own, not something I happen to pick up when I enter this forum. They stay with me regardless of what forum or what group of people I'm in contact with. Therefore, I've never intimidated you on these grounds. I just simply do not agree with your stance and said so.
So if you want me to respect you APOLOGISE. Then from here on you will understand that if i ever raise an issue which goes against the grain, it will not be an invitation for you BEGIN the insults as you ORIGINALLY did. It will also point out to you that in order to influence someone with the intelligence you obviously do pocess, you would have to in future take a different approach. That way you will give the individual a chance to learn or admit they have seen things differently, without being humiliated or insulted in the process. Most importantly, it will demostrate you understand that you must open your mind to other opinions BEFORE you decide on whether they hold any credibility or not. It all makes for a more effective environment. Its also whats this thread is about so now demonstrate girl you are a, mature enough to take my offer and b, understand the point being made here.
Alright I shouldn't have insulted you for your view on that forum. I do run a short fuse at times so perhaps I should try for more patience. But as for you respecting me, that really isn't any of my concern, I just want you to stop bringing up past arguments. But I understand the points that you've made here. It doesn't mean that I won't ever clash with you from here on, but I understand why you were angry.
In advance i apologise for my REACTION to you which i know you're going to bring up, so its answered already.
Apology accepted.
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@Black Power and SafetyBlitz. We should have the right and priveledge to choose. However with that priveledge comes responsibility and consequences and to primarily act in accordance with what we choose. Hence, the importance of History. "History tells a people where they have been and what they have been. It also tells a people where they are and what they are. Most importantly, history tells a people where they still must go and what they still must be". " "Until a man uses his talents, takes pride in its own history, and loves its own memories, it can never fulfill itself". Professor John Henrik Clarke
We must really take into consideration the importance of what we choose, especially if what we choose has been used in the past and represents something of significant value to millions of people. For instance I should have an idea about History when I have a fierce and mean looking bull dog that I proceed to call "Heil Hitler". Furthermore I should not be surprised if people are repulsed by me and doors are slammed in my face if I proceed to call myself Heil Hitler because I owned a dog called heil Hitler, unless I believe in the values of Nazism and I am ready to face the consequences of what comes with that name. That is why we have History.
From Wikipedia: "Black Power is a political slogan which describes the aspiration of those ascribing to varying degrees of black nationalism to acquire full ethnic self-determination of African-Americans. More generally, the term describes a conscious choice for blacks to nurture and promote their own models of value rather than look for other races to validate them. It calls for blacks to identify their historical struggle and work to help themselves. The first person to use the term Black Power in its political context was Robert F. Williams, a writer and publisher of the 1950s and 60s. Mukasa Dada won the support of thousands of working class Africans when he chanted "Black Power" while Martin Luther King Jr. campaigned for what he termed an "integrated power".
It is important to note that black power did not strive for integration but rather to improve conditions for black people.
Internationalist offshoots of Black Power include African Internationalism, pan-Africanism, and black supremacy. Meanwhile, some Black Power activists within the United States, calling themselves "New Africans", believe that U.S. blacks should have their own independent nation-state made up of the Black Belt, because they claim the contiguous region is already majority-black. (The region has pockets of majority-black, but the region as a whole is not)".
 The classic image of the Black Power Movement. Tommie Smith (center) and John Carlos (right) showing the Black Power salute in the 1968 Summer Olympics, while Silver medalist Peter Norman (left) wears an OPHR (Olympic Project for Human Rights) badge to show his support for the two African Americans.
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Posted: Thursday August 31st, 2006 17:35 |
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Aryek; actually this is the same point that I'm making to Soofresh....the above is NOT true...the fact is personally I have engaged with BP on many points..I know because i have been advised that the other mods have done the same too... I have even cussed him when he got out line on a few occassions...do a search and lookm for yourself... But more importantly the fact is that significant number of threads are just removed from BNV probably before anyone has read them...
It is also important to explain again that all discussions do not happen on the opwen forum, a lot of those discussion happen on the PM system..so people should not presume that because they didn't see it, that it didn't happen..thats a dangerous mistake to make...
On reflection I've taken the liberty to search recent post to ilustrate my point...in no particular order I am posting a randonm selection of Threads where BP has been engaged..
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You know what K, I really don't understand why you've overlooked a glaring point that these examples you gave me are all pointing to. Each time you've "engaged" BP about some disrepectful point he's made, what exactly has he learned from these interactions? Nothing, by the looks of things. You tell him once, you tell him twice, and he'll still come back and make the same derogatory comments on another occassion. If your boy is incapable of making a point, no matter how unpopular it may be, without being insulting, then he deserves to get the same treatment in kind. Apparently keeping it real is to hold colourist ideals and insult women. So if he's going to "keep it real" then leave him to deal with the angry mob who fail to see the humour in being refered to as tricks and hos.
I dare say that if any female on this site took the same stance as him and treated black men in the manner that he treats black women, all women in fact, that person would have been banned a long time ago. But no matter, just don't let me hear anyone complain when I start posting up numerous pictures of every nearly white man that I think is better looking than the average black man. And I also expect everyone to acknowledge my difference of opinion when I refer to all men, especially black males, as no account b**tards and worthless sheep. And as for BP and others who, surprise, surprise, were haranguing Soofresh and I for saying that we thought African men had better manners than disaporan men, let me not hear one, not even one, "you two are tribalistic and rascist" comment from you when we feel the need to keep it real. Capiche?!
Now that all is understood, I'm done with this thread for the time being.
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Posted: Thursday August 31st, 2006 18:51 |
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Vubundada_Kandaba wrote: @Black Power and SafetyBlitz. We should have the right and priveledge to choose. However with that priveledge comes responsibility and consequences and to primarily act in accordance with what we choose. Hence, the importance of History. "History tells a people where they have been and what they have been. It also tells a people where they are and what they are. Most importantly, history tells a people where they still must go and what they still must be". " "Until a man uses his talents, takes pride in its own history, and loves its own memories, it can never fulfill itself". Professor John Henrik Clarke
We must really take into consideration the importance of what we choose, especially if what we choose has been used in the past and represents something of significant value to millions of people. For instance I should have an idea about History when I have a fierce and mean looking bull dog that I proceed to call "Heil Hitler". Furthermore I should not be surprised if people are repulsed by me and doors are slammed in my face if I proceed to call myself Heil Hitler because I owned a dog called heil Hitler, unless I believe in the values of Nazism and I am ready to face the consequences of what comes with that name. That is why we have History.
From Wikipedia: "Black Power is a political slogan which describes the aspiration of those ascribing to varying degrees of black nationalism to acquire full ethnic self-determination of African-Americans. More generally, the term describes a conscious choice for blacks to nurture and promote their own models of value rather than look for other races to validate them. It calls for blacks to identify their historical struggle and work to help themselves. The first person to use the term Black Power in its political context was Robert F. Williams, a writer and publisher of the 1950s and 60s. Mukasa Dada won the support of thousands of working class Africans when he chanted "Black Power" while Martin Luther King Jr. campaigned for what he termed an "integrated power".
It is important to note that black power did not strive for integration but rather to improve conditions for black people.
Internationalist offshoots of Black Power include African Internationalism, pan-Africanism, and black supremacy. Meanwhile, some Black Power |
