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Posted: Monday August 28th, 2006 21:50 |
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I'm very clear that this thread is not exclusively about BP,there are wider issues to be addressed here.
Firstly,my thoughts on BP....this is what I know about him in the year and a bit i've been here.
He works,he has a kid who he supports and loves.....if thats lost then more men need to be that kind of lost.
This is what else I know about BP,he is un-moveable in his preference for the lightest possible looking Black women,and whilst he continues to be that way I will continue to point out the contradictions and or hypocrisy.
Not all the time obviously,otherwise I would never be away from my laptop.
The main point which I always try to thrust home to him is that you can't have any problems with inter-racial relationships when you exclusively worship the off-spring of those unions.
Anyway enough about BP.
To the subject of the Uber-African....well I certainly wouldnt qualify but I definately am always learning,its damaging to us collectively to dismiss everyone who is not on the same wave-length as you or singing from the same hymn book.....I would suggest that it's probably more important to engage with those who we view as "lost".....no point preaching to the choir the whole time.....yagetme??
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Posted: Monday August 28th, 2006 23:18 |
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| This could have been done without the naming of names Kunjufu. I don't like this type of thread at all. It sets a bad precedent.
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Posted: Monday August 28th, 2006 23:23 |
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This could have been done without the naming of names Kunjufu. I don't like this type of thread at all. It sets a bad precedent.
Co-sign.
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Posted: Monday August 28th, 2006 23:24 |
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The Watcher wrote: This could have been done without the naming of names Kunjufu. I don't like this type of thread at all. It sets a bad precedent.
Yup, especially when there is a rule which saids there should be no targetting of any one particular poster.
I know there is a wider issue in hand but that issue could have been addressed specifically without using a poster as an example.
It also borders on the realms of being patronisng and condescending even though i appreciate that wasnt the intention.
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Posted: Monday August 28th, 2006 23:27 |
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Shemsi en Tehuti wrote: TheDogon wrote: Kunjufu, don't worry about it. [highlight= yellow]Believe me there are some really strict "Black" forums out there. I know of one where half the folks here would be banned after 3 posts. Then after you are banned, they would talk about you like a dog.
You are actually quite liberal, my brotha. You let in a lot of divergent views.
Keep on keeping on and thank you for this forum. This place means so much to a brotha like me.
Just curious what sites you might be talking about. I like comparing the general ethos of different forums.
Destee is one place to start. They don't roll like the "Black Village". They are strictly about "Black" love, so anyone talking about IRRs are instantly banned. Anyone talking negative about the "Black" community, instantly banned. "White" folks. . .instantly banned.
They don't play.
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Posted: Monday August 28th, 2006 23:54 |
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The Watcher wrote: This could have been done without the naming of names Kunjufu. I don't like this type of thread at all. It sets a bad precedent.
DM; I agree that I broke the rules, I agree that I contradicted a policy long held in place on BNV.... However I would argue that in this case it was worth the trouble, the facts are BP had been imo unfairly named amd labelled on another forum... As i've said already whilst i agree overall with the sentiment of that thread..I thought and still do that he got a bad rap...
I feel and still do feel that there is far to much finger pointing at people not deemed to be Black enough, and that essentially what this thread was about.. It was about standing shoulder to shoulde with someone you already know I've had major disagreements with and saying enough of this nonsense... Look at the man in context and in the context of others and lets stop with this pious holier than thou attitude...
On that point I agree that it was risk...However given the positives that had emerged from this thread on both board I think it was worth taking as a one off....Knowing BP as i do if he is offended or annoyed at my actions..he can and will let me know about in no uncertain terms...however I cannot apologise for what i did as that would be hypocritical....
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Posted: Tuesday August 29th, 2006 00:06 |
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TheDogon wrote:
Just curious what sites you might be talking about. I like comparing the general ethos of different forums.
Destee is one place to start. They don't roll like the "Black Village". They are strictly about "Black" love, so anyone talking about IRRs are instantly banned. Anyone talking negative about the "Black" community, instantly banned. "White" folks. . .instantly banned.
They don't play.
We learn slow. . .but we do learn eventually.
Dogon..I have had contact with Destee, and Mods from that forum....and the history of their strictness stem from their experiences from Black Voices...where many of their members broke away from... In case some are not aware, Black Voices went 'white owned' some years back and whereas it bad before..now its is just out of control....
The same thing Happened to Black planet......hence some of the restrictions put in place here on BNV..I did contemplate going the Destee model.. but IMO opinion that creates a dictat and stifles healthy debate...and to be honest I don't think it would work for a UK based site for a number of social and historical reasons...
What some people do not obviously appreciate is the sheer size and frequency of traffic that passes through BNV on a daily basis... There is absolutely no way that the team can ensure only BLACK acces this site... No way is it possible to police people to the degree that some would like..without employing enough full time Mods to do just that... that is not realistic or possible...
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Posted: Tuesday August 29th, 2006 00:44 |
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| So someone called BP a fool on Ligali and this is a cause for all of us to gather around and feel sorry for him? Is that what is going on here? I wonder why didn't any of BP's all so insightful comments on women ever garner enough concern for you to create a thread about, K?
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Posted: Tuesday August 29th, 2006 00:47 |
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Kunjufu wrote: TheDogon wrote:
Just curious what sites you might be talking about. I like comparing the general ethos of different forums.
Destee is one place to start. They don't roll like the "Black Village". They are strictly about "Black" love, so anyone talking about IRRs are instantly banned. Anyone talking negative about the "Black" community, instantly banned. "White" folks. . .instantly banned.
They don't play.
We learn slow. . .but we do learn eventually.
Dogon..I have had contact with Destee, and Mods from that forum....and the history of their strictness stem from their experiences from Black Voices...where many of their members broke away from... In case some are not aware, Black Voices went 'white owned' some years back and whereas it bad before..now its is just out of control....
The same thing Happened to Black planet......hence some of the restrictions put in place here on BNV..I did contemplate going the Destee model.. but IMO opinion that creates a dictat and stifles healthy debate...and to be honest I don't think it would work for a UK based site for a number of social and historical reasons...
What some people do not obviously appreciate is the sheer size and frequency of traffic that passes through BNV on a daily basis... There is absolutely no way that the team can ensure only BLACK acces this site... No way is it possible to police people to the degree that some would like..without employing enough full time Mods to do just that... that is not realistic or possible...
And I should have known that about "Black Voices". That place made me so depressed. But anyways, I don't have a problem with the way you run the place at all. People are complaining that views are being stifled, they just don't realize. There are plenty of forums out there where they wouldn't have half the freedoms they enjoy here.
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Posted: Tuesday August 29th, 2006 00:52 |
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Aryek wrote: So someone called BP a fool on Ligali and this is a cause for all of us to gather around and feel sorry for him? Is that what is going on here? I wonder why didn't any of BP's all so insightful comments on women ever garner enough concern for you to create a thread about, K?
If you really look at it, this thread isn't about BP. He's just been used to illustrate a point. Although I don't see many people separating the two...
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Posted: Tuesday August 29th, 2006 01:43 |
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Soulstarr wrote: Aryek wrote: So someone called BP a fool on Ligali and this is a cause for all of us to gather around and feel sorry for him? Is that what is going on here? I wonder why didn't any of BP's all so insightful comments on women ever garner enough concern for you to create a thread about, K?
If you really look at it, this thread isn't about BP. He's just been used to illustrate a point. Although I don't see many people separating the two...
SS, I'm perfectly aware that this thread isn't about BP but about people who act and think like him. My point still stands whether it's regarding him or others like him. I don't see the point of this let's all feel sorry for them and praise them for taking care of their offspring and working a 9-5 while they make inflammatory remarks about women, skin colour, etc, ethos. Excuse me when did a grown ass man taking care of his child and holding down a job become a notable accomplishment? Should we not already expect that of ourselves and others? Outside of BN, people like BP make up the bulk of the black race, believe me, they aren't suffering from any sort of persecution from black people who label themselves as conscious.
And as for rejoicing about our differences and whatnot, I will support that only to the extent that someone else's differences does not interfere with well-being of my race and other individual. For instance, BP's chauvinism, which a lot of men hold, is not a difference of opinion that I'm going to be celebrating any time soon. And while we're on this subject of embracing different views and opinions, why don't we invite the likes of Fiery1, whom Soofresh talked about, to come and share her opinions of black people, white men and everything in between. Or why don't we learn to embrace even more extreme views and call on some of our favourite trolls from Stromfront to come and share with us their opinions of the black race, skin colour, women, etc?
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Posted: Tuesday August 29th, 2006 02:32 |
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Soulstarr wrote: Aryek wrote: So someone called BP a fool on Ligali and this is a cause for all of us to gather around and feel sorry for him? Is that what is going on here? I wonder why didn't any of BP's all so insightful comments on women ever garner enough concern for you to create a thread about, K?
If you really look at it, this thread isn't about BP. He's just been used to illustrate a point. Although I don't see many people separating the two...
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I logged onto Ligali and from what I saw, only one person there complained about BP. Everybody pretty much said the same thing said here. BP is a cool cat, he knows how to get evrybody riled up, but he will be even cooler if for once he creates a post for black complexion sisters, just one time pleassse. How about that BP? Do that so we don't accuse you of discriminating against dark complexion sisters. 
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Posted: Tuesday August 29th, 2006 02:44 |
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^^Ah, he already did.
http://www.blackchat.co.uk/theblackforum/forum2/23739.html
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Posted: Tuesday August 29th, 2006 03:02 |
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Posted: Tuesday August 29th, 2006 03:20 |
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Vubundada_Kandaba wrote: Soulstarr wrote: Aryek wrote: So someone called BP a fool on Ligali and this is a cause for all of us to gather around and feel sorry for him? Is that what is going on here? I wonder why didn't any of BP's all so insightful comments on women ever garner enough concern for you to create a thread about, K?
If you really look at it, this thread isn't about BP. He's just been used to illustrate a point. Although I don't see many people separating the two...
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I logged onto Ligali and from what I saw, only one person there complained about BP. Everybody pretty much said the same thing said here. BP is a cool cat, he knows how to get evrybody riled up, but he will be even cooler if for once he creates a post for black complexion sisters, just one time pleassse. How about that BP? Do that so we don't accuse you of discriminating against dark complexion sisters.
Errrmm,that will never happen so don't hold your breath.If it does happen the subjects will either be a figure of scorn or a tokenistic offering to please the masses.
Better he stay true to himself,no matter how warped his conditioning.
@Aryek
I pointed out the positive aspects of BP character as a counter-balance to the unsavoury ones.
Of course Black men shouldnt have to get kudos just coz they work and support their families......we should just take that as read......but unfortunately the situation has become so bleak in that area that one feels compelled to give props for something which should be happening anyway.
But I take your point.
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Posted: Tuesday August 29th, 2006 03:34 |
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This could have been done without the naming of names Kunjufu. I don't like this type of thread at all. It sets a bad precedent.
Co-sign.
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Posted: Tuesday August 29th, 2006 03:53 |
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Pele wrote: The Watcher wrote:
This could have been done without the naming of names Kunjufu. I don't like this type of thread at all. It sets a bad precedent.
Co-sign.
Co-sign.
Un-sign. Why not name names?? why be coy?? BP's name was pertinent to the discussion.Yeah Kunjufu could have tip-toed and tap danced around it but whats the point. BP is a grown ass man and perfectly capable of defending himself......and anyone who isnt shouldnt be at this particular forum unless they've honed their battle skills.Any debate,healthy or heated but kept in the parameters of respect,can only stand you in good stead for life away from the computer as far as i'm concerned. Besides noone has said anything about BP which we don't already know...there have been no new or malicious revelations. Yes the argument can be made about guidelines reh,reh,reh.....but thats not my argument...thats MOD discretion etc. Anyway as it has been stated before the discussion is about a much wider issue.BP is just a very small fraction of it. And truth be told this thread may have not gotten this many responses had Kunjufu been vague...coz sometimes one looks at a thread title-myself included -and thinks "Oh God not this hackneyed old subject again" Last edited on Tuesday August 29th, 2006 03:59 by jett Black
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Posted: Tuesday August 29th, 2006 04:40 |
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Jett.........So the effectiveness of a post is measured how many posts? 
I co-sign not 'cause naming names, but having this brings the 3rd person while the person is still here. If BP would have posted his own take about his views and why some don't agree with him would have been the right way. In other words using a poster as an example isn't the best option.
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Posted: Tuesday August 29th, 2006 04:50 |
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Jett.........So the effectiveness of a post is measured how many posts?
No im not saying that at all,just suggesting that if the title had not been specific it could have become just another tumble-weed thread.
Most people on here belong to a number of forums and are less inclined to open a thread which they may mistakenly feel has been done to death.There is so much on this forum to read as it is,that if the thread title doesnt speak to you in some new or different way then it generally is of no interest......time is precious.
Hence my absence from the ubiquitous Beyonce and all Africans were Gods,Kings and Queens threads.
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Posted: Tuesday August 29th, 2006 07:46 |
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Aryek wrote: Soulstarr wrote: Aryek wrote: So someone called BP a fool on Ligali and this is a cause for all of us to gather around and feel sorry for him? Is that what is going on here? I wonder why didn't any of BP's all so insightful comments on women ever garner enough concern for you to create a thread about, K?
If you really look at it, this thread isn't about BP. He's just been used to illustrate a point. Although I don't see many people separating the two...
SS, I'm perfectly aware that this thread isn't about BP but about people who act and think like him.
NO NO NO let me stop you right there. You arent perfectly aware of anything by the looks of it.
This thread is about jokers like yourself who see it as right to begin the chorus of the 'sellout' and 'coon' chants towards individuals who happen to be able to think outside of your basic level of consciousness.
Like for instance defending your right to use the word BLUEFOOT and labelling those who dont agree with you sellouts and coons.
*chuckles everytime he think of this classless example*
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Aryek wrote
So someone called BP a fool on Ligali and this is a cause for all of us to gather around and feel sorry for him? Is that what is going on here? I wonder why didn't any of BP's all so insightful comments on women ever garner enough concern for you to create a thread about, K?
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aah but you see aryek, he is respectful at private messages only..........like as if that makes things better
its like you get the coconut at work who is alll coconutty and then gets home he is an african warrier.........makes it better
i don't like this thread as it will encourage his foolishness even more.
I mean how many times i got a warning from kunjufu where i had to change and tone down my disses............yet pocchy boi is being cuddled.
nah frig that, i read the other forum and i was bussing with jokes.
@kunjufu
okay then, what i will do , is have a kid, work to support my kid (wow bravado move) then i will private message everyone in a polite manner...........as long as i post pics of pas as white men, and catapult them as better then black men, insult black men on a daily bases, insult jamicans on a daily bases, insult everyone on a daily bases, bascially what i used to be before your warnings.
i will surly make you eat your words kunjufu becuase you are not consistent in your arguments.
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Posted: Tuesday August 29th, 2006 09:12 |
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Aryek wrote: Soulstarr wrote: Aryek wrote: So someone called BP a fool on Ligali and this is a cause for all of us to gather around and feel sorry for him? Is that what is going on here? I wonder why didn't any of BP's all so insightful comments on women ever garner enough concern for you to create a thread about, K?
If you really look at it, this thread isn't about BP. He's just been used to illustrate a point. Although I don't see many people separating the two...
SS, I'm perfectly aware that this thread isn't about BP but about people who act and think like him. My point still stands whether it's regarding him or others like him. I don't see the point of this let's all feel sorry for them and praise them for taking care of their offspring and working a 9-5 while they make inflammatory remarks about women, skin colour, etc, ethos. Excuse me when did a grown ass man taking care of his child and holding down a job become a notable accomplishment? Should we not already expect that of ourselves and others? Outside of BN, people like BP make up the bulk of the black race, believe me, they aren't suffering from any sort of persecution from black people who label themselves as conscious.
And as for rejoicing about our differences and whatnot, I will support that only to the extent that someone else's differences does not interfere with well-being of my race and other individual. For instance, BP's chauvinism, which a lot of men hold, is not a difference of opinion that I'm going to be celebrating any time soon. And while we're on this subject of embracing different views and opinions, why don't we invite the likes of Fiery1, whom Soofresh talked about, to come and share her opinions of black people, white men and everything in between. Or why don't we learn to embrace even more extreme views and call on some of our favourite trolls from Stromfront to come and share with us their opinions of the black race, skin colour, women, etc?
With respect Aryek, this response gives me the impression that you really havent understood the thread. The thread isn't about feeling sorry for Black Power or people like him. Its about us looking down on people like him and people with his mentality ON A HANDFUL OF TOPICS. Because I defy a single person here to seriously say that BP has not made one single sensible post on this board and that theyre are ALL from a disrespectful stance. But again, this isn't about him.
In no way am I saying we have to agree with what every single person here believes in purely because theyre black. Not by a long shot. But where is this mystical checklist of ideals that we all have to subscribe to, in order to be formally ordained into the black race by the powers that be? 
It ain't even about rejoycing in peoples differences either, its about taking peoples differences on board. No-one is saying you have to accept chauvanism and celebrate it just because its an opinion. It's just about acknowledging that someones view is different to yours. Nothing more, nothing less. I've been active in this forum for around a year and I've watched people consistantly lambast people who dare to think outside of the box regardless of how far flung it may be, with no real consideration to how they may have come to a cirtain conclusion before the daggars come out. It's almost like people can't wait to exercise their blackness by getting all up in whatever beef maybe on BNV at the time and its nothing short of ridiculous.
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Posted: Tuesday August 29th, 2006 11:17 |
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It is what is.. I am suprise it too so long to create a thread like this.
Good Post Kunjufu, as expected some people will fail to see sense .. no matter how many times you attempt to break it down for them.... goes to show their mentality really.
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interesting thread
i didnt realise people thought of bp in a such a way. i enjoy his posts and his thoughts. different perspectices add to the spice of life
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Posted: Wednesday August 30th, 2006 23:22 |
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Hold on....... If this is about something he said on another forum why are you posting about it on here???
Besides I'm seeing a lot of contradictions here.........Certain people have made comments about BP thinking like an individual and stuff because he makes "unique" comments........But I saw the same people knocking Le Moor about the bluefoot thread and he was called a sellout and coconut because he said we shouldn't use that word.........Bare favourism ah gwan round here, thats why I don't post here too much...
Everyone has to think a certain way or act a certain way on here otherwise they are not considered "Afrikan" enough and is labelled as a sellout.....How comes its ok for bp to have a diversed opinion but when someone like Le Moor speaks about something he doesn't like he gets shot down.....
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Posted: Wednesday August 30th, 2006 23:27 |
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Hold on....... If this is about something he said on another forum why are you posting about it on here???
Besides I'm seeing a lot of contradictions here.........Certain people have made comments about BP thinking like an individual and stuff because he makes "unique" comments........But I saw the same people knocking Le Moor about the bluefoot thread and he was called a sellout and coconut because he said we shouldn't use that word.........Bare favourism ah gwan round here, thats why I don't post here too much...
Everyone has to think a certain way or act a certain way on here otherwise they are not considered "Afrikan" enough and is labelled as a sellout.....How comes its ok for bp to have a diversed opinion but when someone like Le Moor speaks about something he doesn't like he gets shot down.....
Mods fix up!!!
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Posted: Wednesday August 30th, 2006 23:27 |
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Last edited on Wednesday August 30th, 2006 23:31 by Lady Stirrer
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Posted: Wednesday August 30th, 2006 23:30 |
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Lady Stirrer wrote: Hold on....... If this |
