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Posted: Thursday June 15th, 2006 17:42 |
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Gmahogany wrote: The difference in the way that Blacks in America typically view "mixed race" people vs the way Blacks outside of America view them, is rooted in experience. Everyone needs to remember that though our experiences may be similar, they are not the same.
"Mixed race" people in places like the UK, can(and do from what I can tell) have an appreciably different experience then "Blacks" in the UK. That is NOT so in America. That's why I commented on another thread that when dealing with Blacks of mixed blood in the U.S., I ASSUME Black loyalty/identification until proven otherwise, while when dealing with a mixed race person from outside America, it's vice versa. Halle Berry got that racist British dj "told" as they say in the South here, without missing a beat, because in spite of being half white, she is as fine tuned to racism as any "full blooded" Black person in America(because American style racism dictates that she would be), we are totally on auto-pilot when it comes to that, whether we are blue-Black or damn near white. Why? because when it comes down to it, American style racism lumped us all in the same group and treated/treat us accordingly.
Like LiberianGirl said, race is a social construct, so all of this emphasis on genetics, in the American context at least, is really irrelevant. What bonds people and makes them cohesive is similar EXPERIENCE(if they have genetics in common too, all the better). THAT's why, Blacks in America up unil recently seemed to be in lock step(and though changing STILL are), politically, world view, etc.,Our EXPERIENCE was the same. Like LiberianGirl said, the one drop rule though CREATED to help crackers, DID NOT help crackers, it helped us and UNDERMINED them.
It trivializes our experience to say"you see this person as Black cause white folks say so". We see those people as Black for the SAME reason we see OURSELVES as Black. White folks didnt JUST say it, they had the power to impose THEIR perception on EVERY institution in America, meaning that from the cradle to the grave, for 5 centuries plus, our lives/experiences have been shaped and formed by this,MERE perception. Hell, when our ancestors got off the slave ships, they didn't see themselves the way whites saw them, guess what? It didn't make a damn bit of difference. We saw ourselves as different tribes,ethinicities, THEY saw us as one people. Guess which view won out....
Case in point, icon of the Civil Rights Movement Rosa Parks. Now if you REALLY wanna be technical about it, Ms Parks, probably had as much or more in common GENETICALLY with the crackers who dragged her off the bus than she did with the rest of the "NEGROES "on that bus. That and 75 cents would get her a dollar. The truth of that had no bearing whatsoever on how those crackers saw her or what her life experience as a "Negro woman" was. She could SEE herself as being of mixed heritage til the cows came home. Perception when backed with power TRUMPS reality. Halle Berry's having a white momma did not stop her from experiencing life as a BLACK PERSON IN AMERIKKA. Someone mentioned Jenifer Beals. That heifer wants no parts of being Black and, MOST IMPORTANTLY has the look to "pass". Most white folks think she's Italian. I don't claim her. A. Because she doesn't claim Black, and B. since she has for all intents and purposes lived her life as a white person(because she COULD physically), EXPERICENCIALLY, she's NOT Black. I have more in common with Britney Spears, than I do with her. THAT'S the difference.
Though there are BLacks in America who want to claim any and everyone Black, for their own low self esteem/backwards reasons, we're not all idiots over here. There is rhyme and reason to WHY we view race the way we do. I'm fairly certain that if you came lived here for an extended period of time, you would better understand the reason. I think Blacks from outside America should give us credit for not ALL being fools over here. I don't seek to impose the AFrican American view of race on Blacks outside America, because I respect your specific experience, and know that it is NOT identical to ours. Kindly extend us the same courtesy/respect/benefit of the doubt.
You made some good points, but still I choose not to follow the American view of race because even as you say that mixed people and black people have the same experience under America's system of racial classification, I have to question the truthfullness of that statement. It seems to me that while white America may be racist towards both mixed and black people under ordinary circumstances, there are many instances in which white people seem to unveil their racial blindfold and recognize that mixed people are half white. I've read studies that have found that people with stereotypical negroid features are more likely to be convicted of committing a crime than more European looking "blacks" who are accussed of a similar crime.
Whites are not as racially ignorant as we seem to think. This is why whenever black Americans pull together and fight for a cause, whites always find a loophole in the system by using mixed people as the face of the black community. Just look at what they have and continue to do with black people in Hollywood. The experiences that black and mixed people have in America may be similar in many ways but in some ways they are not. White people are still very much steeped in feelings of superiorty and they can and will give more of a leeway to those they view as being closer to them. It doesn't mean that mixed people get a free ride, they are half black after all, but it also doesn't mean that their experience will be same as someone with two black parents.
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Posted: Thursday June 15th, 2006 19:01 |
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Aryek wrote: Gmahogany wrote: The difference in the way that Blacks in America typically view "mixed race" people vs the way Blacks outside of America view them, is rooted in experience. Everyone needs to remember that though our experiences may be similar, they are not the same.
"Mixed race" people in places like the UK, can(and do from what I can tell) have an appreciably different experience then "Blacks" in the UK. That is NOT so in America. That's why I commented on another thread that when dealing with Blacks of mixed blood in the U.S., I ASSUME Black loyalty/identification until proven otherwise, while when dealing with a mixed race person from outside America, it's vice versa. Halle Berry got that racist British dj "told" as they say in the South here, without missing a beat, because in spite of being half white, she is as fine tuned to racism as any "full blooded" Black person in America(because American style racism dictates that she would be), we are totally on auto-pilot when it comes to that, whether we are blue-Black or damn near white. Why? because when it comes down to it, American style racism lumped us all in the same group and treated/treat us accordingly.
Like LiberianGirl said, race is a social construct, so all of this emphasis on genetics, in the American context at least, is really irrelevant. What bonds people and makes them cohesive is similar EXPERIENCE(if they have genetics in common too, all the better). THAT's why, Blacks in America up unil recently seemed to be in lock step(and though changing STILL are), politically, world view, etc.,Our EXPERIENCE was the same. Like LiberianGirl said, the one drop rule though CREATED to help crackers, DID NOT help crackers, it helped us and UNDERMINED them.
It trivializes our experience to say"you see this person as Black cause white folks say so". We see those people as Black for the SAME reason we see OURSELVES as Black. White folks didnt JUST say it, they had the power to impose THEIR perception on EVERY institution in America, meaning that from the cradle to the grave, for 5 centuries plus, our lives/experiences have been shaped and formed by this,MERE perception. Hell, when our ancestors got off the slave ships, they didn't see themselves the way whites saw them, guess what? It didn't make a damn bit of difference. We saw ourselves as different tribes,ethinicities, THEY saw us as one people. Guess which view won out....
Case in point, icon of the Civil Rights Movement Rosa Parks. Now if you REALLY wanna be technical about it, Ms Parks, probably had as much or more in common GENETICALLY with the crackers who dragged her off the bus than she did with the rest of the "NEGROES "on that bus. That and 75 cents would get her a dollar. The truth of that had no bearing whatsoever on how those crackers saw her or what her life experience as a "Negro woman" was. She could SEE herself as being of mixed heritage til the cows came home. Perception when backed with power TRUMPS reality. Halle Berry's having a white momma did not stop her from experiencing life as a BLACK PERSON IN AMERIKKA. Someone mentioned Jenifer Beals. That heifer wants no parts of being Black and, MOST IMPORTANTLY has the look to "pass". Most white folks think she's Italian. I don't claim her. A. Because she doesn't claim Black, and B. since she has for all intents and purposes lived her life as a white person(because she COULD physically), EXPERICENCIALLY, she's NOT Black. I have more in common with Britney Spears, than I do with her. THAT'S the difference.
Though there are BLacks in America who want to claim any and everyone Black, for their own low self esteem/backwards reasons, we're not all idiots over here. There is rhyme and reason to WHY we view race the way we do. I'm fairly certain that if you came lived here for an extended period of time, you would better understand the reason. I think Blacks from outside America should give us credit for not ALL being fools over here. I don't seek to impose the AFrican American view of race on Blacks outside America, because I respect your specific experience, and know that it is NOT identical to ours. Kindly extend us the same courtesy/respect/benefit of the doubt.
You made some good points, but still I choose not to follow the American view of race because even as you say that mixed people and black people have the same experience under America's system of racial classification, I have to question the truthfullness of that statement. It seems to me that while white America may be racist towards both mixed and black people under ordinary circumstances, there are many instances in which white people seem to unveil their racial blindfold and recognize that mixed people are half white. I've read studies that have found that people with stereotypical negroid features are more likely to be convicted of committing a crime than more European looking "blacks" who are accussed of a similar crime.
Whites are not as racially ignorant as we seem to think. This is why whenever black Americans pull together and fight for a cause, whites always find a loophole in the system by using mixed people as the face of the black community. Just look at what they have and continue to do with black people in Hollywood. The experiences that black and mixed people have in America may be similar in many ways but in some ways they are not. White people are still very much steeped in feelings of superiorty and they can and will give more of a leeway to those they view as being closer to them. It doesn't mean that mixed people get a free ride, they are half black after all, but it also doesn't mean that their experience will be same as someone with two black parents.
You are absolutely right, Aryek. During slavery and throughout our history, whites have bestowed favor on mixed race when it suited them. Like Elijah Muhhamad said, whites are good at "tricknology". (Whites have shown favored treatment to Africans and Carribean Blacks when it suits them, they don't SERIOUSLY think anymore of them than they do AA's, it's ALL game and strategy,so it is with mixed race people) In spite of that, American style racism,(precisely because of Crackers OWN, one drop rule), only allowed them to go SO far with that. So, only the most brain dead, low self esteem having, mixed race person was gonna take the few extra tokens whites may have thrown them and throw the rest of us under the bus. It wasn't/isn't worth it. Ultimately, that mixed race person KNEW, just like the rest of us knew, that when PUSH COMES TO SHOVE,(and it always does), they would be thrown right back to the N****r pile, with the rest of us. That is why imo, in America, historically,some of the most FIERCE, MILITANT,ANTI-WHITE Blacks,, have mixed blood. It's like being told in spite of the fact that you look WHITER, than some crackers walking around, you are STILL stamped with the N****r label(and everything that goes with it)...FOR LIFE. That's enough to piss anyone off and make them radical,lol.
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Posted: Thursday June 15th, 2006 19:12 |
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Gmahogany wrote: The difference in the way that Blacks in America typically view "mixed race" people vs the way Blacks outside of America view them, is rooted in experience. Everyone needs to remember that though our experiences may be similar, they are not the same.
"Mixed race" people in places like the UK, can(and do from what I can tell) have an appreciably different experience then "Blacks" in the UK. That is NOT so in America. That's why I commented on another thread that when dealing with Blacks of mixed blood in the U.S., I ASSUME Black loyalty/identification until proven otherwise, while when dealing with a mixed race person from outside America, it's vice versa. Halle Berry got that racist British dj "told" as they say in the South here, without missing a beat, because in spite of being half white, she is as fine tuned to racism as any "full blooded" Black person in America(because American style racism dictates that she would be), we are totally on auto-pilot when it comes to that, whether we are blue-Black or damn near white. Why? because when it comes down to it, American style racism lumped us all in the same group and treated/treat us accordingly.
Case in point, icon of the Civil Rights Movement Rosa Parks. Now if you REALLY wanna be technical about it, Ms Parks, probably had as much or more in common GENETICALLY with the crackers who dragged her off the bus than she did with the rest of the "NEGROES "on that bus.
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What f*ing evidence do you have that Rosa Parks was white?? or that she had more in common with the crackers in the United States than other "Negroes?"
While you are "educating" Blacks in the West about OUR HERITAGE, perhaps you should take the time to investigate first. Rosa's heritage is NATIVE AMERICAN, as are A LARGE NUMBER OF AFRIKANS IN AMERIKA. And how dare you open your damned mouth and attribute filthy cracker blood to OUR HEROINE JUST BECAUSE YOU SO DESPERATELY WISH YOU HAD SOME WHITE BLOOD YOURSELF.
Though there are BLacks in America who want to claim any and everyone Black, for their own low self esteem/backwards reasons, we're not all idiots over here. There is rhyme and reason to WHY we view race the way we do. I'm fairly certain that if you came lived here for an extended period of time, you would better understand the reason. I think Blacks from outside America should give us credit for not ALL being fools over here. I don't seek to impose the AFrican American view of race on Blacks outside America, because I respect your specific experience, and know that it is NOT identical to ours. Kindly extend us the same courtesy/respect/benefit of the doubt.
You Blacks in England are the ones still hung up on COLOR LOL. We don't have those problems over here. We know who we are and we don't need someone who isn't even PART OF OUR CULTURE telling us who they THINK we are. Halle Berry is an AFRIKAN AMERICAN woman and you don't know the first damned thing about it. Go have your f*ing crumpets and stare longingly out of the window at all the lighter skinned Blacks like you usually do and stay out of our business. Keep OUR HEROES out of your stupid mouth. Find some of your own...oh, that's right. YOU HAVE NONE.
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Posted: Thursday June 15th, 2006 19:24 |
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When I say they could only go so far with the favored treatment, I mean that LEGALLY, the one drop rule rendered even Blacks with almost NO African blood and ALL white blood, Negro. This left mixed race people with 3 options, drop out of the Black race completly and pass for white(if they could),btw, some COULD and chose not to, Accept symblolic(not legal status mind u) second class status, i.e.I'm better than full blooded Blacks but not as good as a cracker or, stick with the majority of Black folks, help us bust white folks ass, and gain 1ST CLASS STATUS, most of them, chose option 3.
Later on, I'll elaborate on the African/Carribean,favored treatement comment I made. If there is any confusion about what I meant by it.
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Posted: Thursday June 15th, 2006 19:36 |
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HatHaruhotep wrote: Gmahogany wrote: The difference in the way that Blacks in America typically view "mixed race" people vs the way Blacks outside of America view them, is rooted in experience. Everyone needs to remember that though our experiences may be similar, they are not the same.
"Mixed race" people in places like the UK, can(and do from what I can tell) have an appreciably different experience then "Blacks" in the UK. That is NOT so in America. That's why I commented on another thread that when dealing with Blacks of mixed blood in the U.S., I ASSUME Black loyalty/identification until proven otherwise, while when dealing with a mixed race person from outside America, it's vice versa. Halle Berry got that racist British dj "told" as they say in the South here, without missing a beat, because in spite of being half white, she is as fine tuned to racism as any "full blooded" Black person in America(because American style racism dictates that she would be), we are totally on auto-pilot when it comes to that, whether we are blue-Black or damn near white. Why? because when it comes down to it, American style racism lumped us all in the same group and treated/treat us accordingly.
Case in point, icon of the Civil Rights Movement Rosa Parks. Now if you REALLY wanna be technical about it, Ms Parks, probably had as much or more in common GENETICALLY with the crackers who dragged her off the bus than she did with the rest of the "NEGROES "on that bus.
My comments in red:
What f*ing evidence do you have that Rosa Parks was white?? or that she had more in common with the crackers in the United States than other "Negroes?"
While you are "educating" Blacks in the West about OUR HERITAGE, perhaps you should take the time to investigate first. Rosa's heritage is NATIVE AMERICAN, as are A LARGE NUMBER OF AFRIKANS IN AMERIKA. And how dare you open your damned mouth and attribute filthy cracker blood to OUR HEROINE JUST BECAUSE YOU SO DESPERATELY WISH YOU HAD SOME WHITE BLOOD YOURSELF.
Though there are BLacks in America who want to claim any and everyone Black, for their own low self esteem/backwards reasons, we're not all idiots over here. There is rhyme and reason to WHY we view race the way we do. I'm fairly certain that if you came lived here for an extended period of time, you would better understand the reason. I think Blacks from outside America should give us credit for not ALL being fools over here. I don't seek to impose the AFrican American view of race on Blacks outside America, because I respect your specific experience, and know that it is NOT identical to ours. Kindly extend us the same courtesy/respect/benefit of the doubt.
You Blacks in England are the ones still hung up on COLOR LOL. We don't have those problems over here. We know who we are and we don't need someone who isn't even PART OF OUR CULTURE telling us who they THINK we are. Halle Berry is an AFRIKAN AMERICAN woman and you don't know the first damned thing about it. Go have your f*ing crumpets and stare longingly out of the window at all the lighter skinned Blacks like you usually do and stay out of our business. Keep OUR HEROES out of your stupid mouth. Find some of your own...oh, that's right. YOU HAVE NONE.
Haven't you already been instructed to stop being melodramatic? Why don't you investigate, numbskull, I AM FROM AMERICA. i'M aware that Ms. Parks had Native American blood in her, but she ALSO had EUROPEAN blood in her. Her nephew empasized that point at one of her 3 funerals, you idiot.
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Posted: Thursday June 15th, 2006 19:41 |
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Gmahogany wrote: Haven't you already been instructed to stop being melodramatic? Why don't you investigate, numbskull, I AM FROM AMERICA. i'M aware that Ms. Parks had Native American blood in her, but she ALSO had EUROPEAN blood in her. Her nephew empasized that point at one of her 3 funerals, you idiot.
That confused the hell out of me too.
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Posted: Thursday June 15th, 2006 20:02 |
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LiberianGirl wrote: Since when has race been entirely about genes? Are we forgeting that genetically, race has little meaning and the concept of race is mainly a social construct? Everyone should know that race has always been a combination of ones genetic background and racial definitions set by a paticular culture. In the US concepts of race are slightly different as in south american, Europe, or Africa. In the US, Halle Berry may be genetically mixed but by rule can lay claim to the term 'black' due to our own unique historical definitions of race.
First of all, if a Black man impregnates a White woman, the product /result of that sexual relationship is mixed race and thats factually based regardless of the racist belief of white people and inferiority complex of some Black people who always and foolishly believe what they were being told by whiteys. Halle Berry was born to a White woman and a Black man respectively, hence she is mixed race.
If we are going to be purely genetic about who is mixed and who is not, then just a good majority of american blacks may as well call themselves mixed.
This is another lie or propaganda perpetrated by some Blacks in the United States and the West Indies cos of their inferiority complex over whiteys wherever they are/reside. Most African Americans/West Indians in modern day U.S.A/West Indies respectively are pure African people and not racially mixed as you claimed. Its due to the self-hatred and inferiority complex you and others have on the basis of White Racism and poverties in Africa/Black diaspora that have caused you/others to spread these persistent lies about how mixed race majority of African Americans and West Indians are. The fact of the matter is that you cannot fight and make changes to what your racial heritage is, you are what you are based on fact and not on fiction.
Geneology tests have shown that some blacks even without a direct white parent still come out with a majority of European ancestry. So what defines mixed, exactly? 
You seriously need to question your sanity at this point.
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Afroboo wrote: liberiangirl wrote:
But I will admit at times that it does irk when mixed people claim black because it gets really ridiculous when we have japanese looking folks with Japanese names aka Kimora Lee Simmons claiming black. Atleast Halle looks black, but Kimora Lee Simmons does not resemble anything remoltey black so in the back of my mind I will never think of her as black.
If a black person is lightskin or albino or has some european features they are still black. If a black person has a western name they are still black.
So why should 1 mixed race person be refered to as black and not another, based on how they look or by their name.It dosent change the fact that they both have a parent who is black and another of a different race.. Which means they are still mixed race.
Have you read anything that Gmaghony has written? What black is not all about genetics, it is perception and your expericence. You can be mixed race and still experience like as a black female/male. She mentioned the example of Jennifer Beals who doesnt identify with blacks, and the fact that she passes for white only encourages this. Kimora Lee Simmons has alway identified with black and but I doubt she has experienced racism like many other blacks people for the simple fact that many white view her as asian. Since she claims black and identies with black that is fine, I will accept that, but I dont necessarily relate to her because of her experience was probably different from most black people.
Also it sort of cheats black people when white hollywood and BET chooses to promote these so called black female stars who in reality are mixed, and by doing that they shove real black woman to the background. A good number of the black female star, singers we see today are mixed with one white parent. So considering those aspects yes it does bother me.
But are you not part of the problem because you just said that you also refer to some mixed race people as black.
If like you say (black looking) mixed race people are black, what is the problem in promoting them as black people in the media? ,What is "real black"?
We cant really have it both ways. We either accept they are black or accept that although we share a simularity they are mixed race.
I never said that I did not accept it, I only pointed out the fact that that there are many black woman do not resemble mixed woman yet these are the type of woman that are promoted the most in magazine, movies etc. . I see mixed woman as having a certain type of look but there are a number of different looks that blacks people have, so women who look mixed race should not be the who represent the commuity the most. This doesnt mean that i dont have to see mixed people as black, only that I there should be equal represntation in the media of all kind of black folks.
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Posted: Thursday June 15th, 2006 21:01 |
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obal85 wrote: LiberianGirl wrote: Since when has race been entirely about genes? Are we forgeting that genetically, race has little meaning and the concept of race is mainly a social construct? Everyone should know that race has always been a combination of ones genetic background and racial definitions set by a paticular culture. In the US concepts of race are slightly different as in south american, Europe, or Africa. In the US, Halle Berry may be genetically mixed but by rule can lay claim to the term 'black' due to our own unique historical definitions of race.
First of all, if a Black man impregnates a White woman, the product /result of that sexual relationship is mixed race and thats factually based regardless of the racist belief of white people and inferiority complex of some Black people who always and foolishly believe what they were being told by whiteys. Halle Berry was born to a White woman and a Black man respectively, hence she is mixed race.
I am sick of repeating myself, I said that race has never been entirely about genetics in fact it has little meaning, this is simply fact whether you choose to accept this or not.
If we are going to be purely genetic about who is mixed and who is not, then just a good majority of american blacks may as well call themselves mixed.
This is another lie or propaganda perpetrated by some Blacks in the United States and the West Indies cos of their inferiority complex over whiteys wherever they are/reside. Most African Americans/West Indians in modern day U.S.A/West Indies respectively are pure African people and not racially mixed as you claimed. Its due to the self-hatred and inferiority complex you and others have on the basis of White Racism and poverties in Africa/Black diaspora that have caused you/others to spread these persistent lies about how mixed race majority of African Americans and West Indians are. The fact of the matter is that you cannot fight and make changes to what your racial heritage is, you are what you are based on fact and not on fiction.
Who in f**k are you calling a self hater???? Simply because you arrogant brits dont view race the same way we do that makes us self haters?? Its is insulting and offensive to this that because we have certain reasons for viewing mixed race people as black, that means we are only doing what the white man has told us. I said it before and I'll say it again: THE ONE DROP RULE HAS HELPED MORE THAN HINDERED BLACKS IN AMERICA. This is fact. No it is a fact the majority of black are mixed, if not with white, then with indian or a combination of both. In fact it is very rare for me to have ever seen a black person who didnt look as if they were mixed with something or who hasnt stated as such, and I have lived in the US all my life so who in the hell do you think you are talking to? And i believe the difference between US black and West Indians is that depite of the knowledge that many of us are mixed we still consider ourselves to be black, unlike some West indians who will stated they are mixed with everything else and will disassociate themselves from anything black. So dont try to throw us into the same basket, because even the lightest, brightest black person in the US will state proubly that they are black and would be insulted if you reffered to them as anything else other than that.
Geneology tests have shown that some blacks even without a direct white parent still come out with a majority of European ancestry. So what defines mixed, exactly?
You seriously need to question your sanity at this point.
No I dont. This was on some documentary a while back, a man who thought of himself as black, went and got a genelogy test to see what part of africa his ancestors came from and it showed he was mostly european. Dont believe me? Look it up as there was a thread where this was talked about.
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Posted: Thursday June 15th, 2006 22:26 |
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Who in f**k are you calling a self hater????
Is that necessary? Never mind, you are just being a typical ghetto girl.
Simply because you arrogant brits dont view race the same way we do that makes us self haters??
Sorry to disappoint you. I am an African, Nigerian to be precise and i aint arrogant.
Its is insulting and offensive to this that because we have certain reasons for viewing mixed race people as black, that means we are only doing what the white man has told us. I said it before and I'll say it again: THE ONE DROP RULE HAS HELPED MORE THAN HINDERED BLACKS IN AMERICA. This is fact.
Respectfully, you do listen to and conform excessively to whiteys and one drop rule, American flag, American national anthem to mention but a few, are good examples. Let us begin with the one drop rule, you have the notion that mixed race people like Vanessa Williams, Halle Berry, Lenny Kravitz etc are Blacks cos narrow-minded American Whiteys claimed one drop of black blood in a person automatically makes him/her a black person and thats not factually based is it? Regardless , you comply still and thats a fact to this day from the day these whiteys made this stupid one drop rule. Moving onto the American flag beneath which your grand mothers and great grand mothers were raped, lynched and mutilated by the same people who designed that flag majority of afro-american people adopt as theirs. It does not make sense to me and this is nothing to do with hating African American. You would not see Jews hoist swastikas over the roof of their houses, would you? Truth hurts doesn't it? You dont want me to say anything about the American national anthem, do ya? which part of the anthem was composed by your people? Dont get me started pls.
No it is a fact the majority of black are mixed, if not with white, then with indian or a combination of both. In fact it is very rare for me to have ever seen a black person who didnt look as if they were mixed with something or who hasnt stated as such, and I have lived in the US all my life so who in the hell do you think you are talking to?
Wow. Are you telling me that mixed race black people in the U.S.A like Halle Berry, Vanessa williams outnumber blacks like Micheal Jordan, The notorious BIG, Oprah Winfrey, Condooleza Rice, Anita Baker, Shaquille o'neal, Charles Barkley etc etc? Are ya? If most african american people really have this notion like you do, then you really have self-esteem crisis in that country.
And i believe the difference between US black and West Indians is that depite of the knowledge that many of us are mixed we still consider ourselves to be black, unlike some West indians who will stated they are mixed with everything else and will disassociate themselves from anything black. So dont try to throw us into the same basket, because even the lightest, brightest black person in the US will state proubly that they are black and would be insulted if you reffered to them as anything else other than that.
Like i said to ya earlier, you need to question your sanity based on the above statement. The whiteys in America claimed you are inferior to them and people like you are helping promote his superiority complex over you and you are not even ashamed to do it for him.
Last edited on Thursday June 15th, 2006 22:29 by obal85
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Posted: Thursday June 15th, 2006 23:05 |
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The petty insults are not necessary.
Anymore and those posts will be removed.
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Posted: Thursday June 15th, 2006 23:34 |
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obal85 wrote:
Respectfully, you do listen to and conform excessively to whiteys and one drop rule, American flag, American national anthem to mention but a few, are good examples. Let us begin with the one drop rule, you have the notion that mixed race people like Vanessa Williams, Halle Berry, Lenny Kravitz etc are Blacks cos narrow-minded American Whiteys claimed one drop of black blood in a person automatically makes him/her a black person and thats not factually based is it? Regardless , you comply still and thats a fact to this day from the day these whiteys made this stupid one drop rule. Moving onto the American flag beneath which your grand mothers and great grand mothers were raped, lynched and mutilated by the same people who designed that flag majority of afro-american people adopt as theirs. It does not make sense to me and this is nothing to do with hating African American. You would not see Jews hoist swastikas over the roof of their houses, would you? Truth hurts doesn't it? You dont want me to say anything about the American national anthem, do ya? which part of the anthem was composed by your people? Dont get me started pls.
Wow. Are you telling me that mixed race black people in the U.S.A like Halle Berry, Vanessa williams outnumber blacks like Micheal Jordan, The notorious BIG, Oprah Winfrey, Condooleza Rice, Anita Baker, Shaquille o'neal, Charles Barkley etc etc? Are ya? If most african american people really have this notion like you do, then you really have self-esteem crisis in that country.
Like i said to ya earlier, you need to question your sanity based on the above statement. The whiteys in America claimed you are inferior to them and people like you are helping promote his superiority complex over you and you are not even ashamed to do it for him.
Your lack of respect for African Americans and their views is extremely arrogant and rude. You ignorance on African american history is so obvious anyone can smell if from a mile away. The fact that you think blacks like Oprah, Condolezza, Anita Baker, and other black stars must not have mixed ancestry simply because they are not light skinned with wavy hair is truly stupid. What do you know about black americans except what you have seen on tv? Vanessa Williams does not have any white parents so by your own definition she would not be mixed. Oh, what? You thought because she has blues eyes and light brown hair that she must be bi racial? LOl, silly boy. The fact that some of the greatest pan african leaders were american born and raised speaks for itself so excuse me if we dont need your bullsh*t about us being complacent and subordinate to whitey. You cant even put together a coherent argument without rambling on about saluting the american flag and national athem. Since when in the world does that have anything to do with whether or not mixed people should be able to call themselves black?! You and other poster on here contradict youself when you say genentically having one white parent and one black parent makes you mixed . But all of you gloss over the fact that having white ancestry can also make you mixed aka bi racial which why i keep asking over and over what exactly defines mixed??? Yet you and other posters absolutely insist that having one white parent is the absolute only way you can be bi racial. So for people like Halle it is necessary to call themselves mixed and not claim black, yet some black americans who may have more and the same amount of white ancestry as her can comfortably call themselves black!? And our way of doing things does not make sense?? LOl.
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Posted: Thursday June 15th, 2006 23:45 |
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Go have your f*ing crumpets and stare longingly out of the window at all the lighter skinned Blacks like you usually do and stay out of our business. Keep OUR HEROES out of your stupid mouth. Find some of your own...oh, that's right. YOU HAVE NONE.
WOW.....funny how someone who's always banging on about "Kemet" and "Afrikan unity" makes emotional and divisive comments like this. Just goes to show that while some people put on a front of righteousness, it doesn't take much for their true colours to shine through. It's also amusing how these same phonies regularly post on a forum started by African Britons and choose to insult African Britons.
These internet fakes give me sooooo much joke.
This isn't an insult this is just an observation.
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Posted: Friday June 16th, 2006 03:29 |
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Black americans can't deny and act like they don't carry a slave-mentality. It's just something else they are VERY indenial about. One thing that I really picked up on which is a perfect example of this was the show 'My Wife and kids' .... I noticed how NOT ONE of the women/girls on that show are even near to a brown or dark skin tone, but they are all light skinned and mostly mixed race, yet they had one Dark skinned girl on the show afew years back and replaced her for the Mixed race looking girl now. You tellin me that show dosen't display any obvious signs of self hatred. Women of all shades in the black race should be embraced, but that is just disgracful.
The worst part about it is that, young black girls in america who don't look mixed grow up to believe that the mixed race look is the ideology of black beauty which is something they can never have as they don't come from mixed parentage. Black americans don't even know what a black person looks like, because they are so caught up a racial imagery that is mixed has the ideology of black beauty. It's simple to see, by looking at the video girls and so on. Black americans would never be proud to say that someone like 'Brandy' or 'Kelly rowland' is the natural looking black woman, cause they haven't been raised in a society to see beauty in women like that. They only enforce mixed looking women like Beyonce and alicia keys, this is the truth but they would argue against it, like always just being indenial. Black americans LOVE that one drop rule because they can claim the mixed folks. It ain't done no good for blacks, its just mashed up there mentality.
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Posted: Friday June 16th, 2006 04:15 |
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Posted: Friday June 16th, 2006 06:39 |
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Prince Hakeem wrote: Go have your f*ing crumpets and stare longingly out of the window at all the lighter skinned Blacks like you usually do and stay out of our business. Keep OUR HEROES out of your stupid mouth. Find some of your own...oh, that's right. YOU HAVE NONE.
WOW.....funny how someone who's always banging on about "Kemet" and "Afrikan unity" makes emotional and divisive comments like this. Just goes to show that while some people put on a front of righteousness, it doesn't take much for their true colours to shine through. It's also amusing how these same phonies regularly post on a forum started by African Britons and choose to insult African Britons.
These internet fakes give me sooooo much joke.
This isn't an insult this is just an observation.
U took the words right out of my mouth. His comments were very revealing, to say the least. Reminds me of some of the militant/pro black types from the 60's who rant and raved about whitey,but always found a way to marry white women or Black women who resemled white women(no disrespect to those sisters,just making a point). One of the reasons that I'm always VERY wary of that type of rah rah, fist in the air type. History tells us that PLENTY of that ilk were CIA informants, agent provocateurs(sent by whitey for the expressed purpose of being divisive and collecting data on authentic conscious folks), and just regular ol run of the mill sell outs,lol.
My comments about AA's perception of race has nothing to do with exalting mixed race people or condemning them. My point was to convey the complexity or race in America, and caution against folks from outside of this country thinking that they can grasp that complexity, when they've never set foot here, or assuming that they know more about the runnings here, than the people who've lived here for centuries.
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Posted: Friday June 16th, 2006 07:05 |
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liberiangirl wrote: obal85 wrote:
Respectfully, you do listen | | | |
