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Posted: Saturday May 27th, 2006 03:53 |
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Prince Hakeem wrote: Does this move anyone?
http://dl4.dumpalink.com/media/Kxfjwu7AY5jg/bD5PWf0BkxtD.wmv
Yes PH, it sickens me to my stomach, and will do the same for everyone that watches it regardless of what side of the argument they where on this thread. The man that beat up the old lady should receive the same punishment he dished out, but for these men.... I cannot verbalise what I think should happen to them,
one black man on crack and will go to prison and have the book thrown at him = life ruined and another black man set upon by evil scum = life gone.
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Posted: Saturday May 27th, 2006 03:57 |
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liberiangirl wrote: Le Moor wrote:
LG if i ever seen a case of someone styling it out your performance here on this post beats them all.
That vile piece of rhetoric you posted earlier belonged amongst the most heartless words ive ever read.
This vile piece of rhetoric
There are worst things in the world than beating down an old white woman. Maybe Im heartless, but frankly I more worried about starving african children and congo women being raped than an old white woman who survived being mugged. Its not like she has that long to go anyway.
Didnt I say it was a heartless? Didnt I say that that I have no sympathy for the woman? I never lied, i stated as much.
And your proud of that are you. Great as that more than justifies why i decided to post here. Forget the 'blacker than thou were not worthy' crap because we choose to defend this positon. Your attitude is good enough reason to continue full stop. Lets just say i see myself as Captain Righteousness-lol (and thats a 'lol' at you not with you).
So you agree to being heartless and wear it like a badge of honour, however later on you state these words:
@Nellia
whatever. Lets keep on trying to make it out as if we enjoyed watching that woman suffer despite many posts in which argue that we dont.
Your words are slighty contradictory arent they? So which is it girl or are you just full of sh*t and a styler like i said you were?
I would have so much respect for you LG if you accepted this picece of sh*te in the content you really meant it in and apologised to all for your inhumanness. Instead you choose to distribute and promote the devils teachings for him.
I have explained the context in which that sentence was meant and it was sarcasm, humor if you ever bothered to read any of my posts.
Humour god damm humour she saids. Girl check yourself. If your instincts gave rise to humour after watching that video then you're sick. Forget trying to style it out like you care about Africans. We dont need your sort of care in our race. And to think here's you and your misguided followers questioning OUR brotherhood, when its us that rightly need to question yours, You think i wanna be part of any race who instincts lead to humour after watching that video under the premise of we have more important issues to address. Please, that nonsense needs to wash with people who get up late. By all means address the other issues but get this one right first before you do.
but Alas pepes and especially all those who have been affected by satans works here. Look at the last sentence LG wrote above.
Its not like she has that long to go anyway.
Its not like she has that long to go anyway.
Its not like she has that long to go anyway.
Satan's work?? LOl quit trying to intimidate me with your christian morale as i stated in another thread I am an atheist. So try another tactic, this one isnt going to work.
Snap as im no practising Christian, so where does that leave your arguement or should i say your styling. You are clearly misguided with evil and you dont have to be a Christian to see that. Imagine if every single person on this mother earth felt no emotion to that video would our earth be a better place for it or not. Answer that question honestly?
I posted it 3 times incase you missed it. Do these words not clearly state the content LG intended when she posted. Forget all that bullsh*t about caring for starving Africans, her ORIGINAL intentions are right here
Its not like she has that long to go anyway.
Its not like she has that long to go anyway.
Its not like she has that long to go anyway
And you want to defend that. *Laugh and shakes head*
Wake up.
I have spent all day explaining the intentions of my original comments if you want to twist into something its not, then fine. Some people are so guided by emotion that when reason continues to bang them over the head they still dont wake up. Nothing i can do about that. And as for starving african children being a bunch of bullsh*t, I can see where your priorities lie.
Stlying to the last. We can all take words out of content LG, but not everyone is buying it.
Its not like she has that long to go anyway.
Its not like she has that long to go anyway.
Its not like she has that long to go anyway
LG please please please dont compare your rationale with that of Professor Morehouse. You got to be frigging kidding girl. Your nothing but a styler.
No one was trying to compare anything, only trying to get you to actually read a few quotes from a thread that you posted. If you had actually read the thread that you posted and absorbed the information, you wouldnt be coming on here asking DM if he was racist or with the old clique of "two wrongs dont make a right".
again Stlying to the last. We can all take words out of content LG, but not everyone is buying it, especially me. Furthermore two wrongs DONT make a right in this example, dont twist it to anything other than that. What you failed to do was recite the sentence connected to it so ill leave you with the words again. May i ask you to take time and let them delve deep into your consciousness, as you are clearly in desperate need of them.
Dont let our years of oppression tip your balance of righteousness.
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Posted: Saturday May 27th, 2006 04:37 |
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The Mighty Mos Def wrote: Le Moor wrote:
@ anyone who is comparing this video to the black on black violence in the food store.
Fair point but one i believe can easily be explained. Yes we have become desensitised over this sort of violence, but we havent yet over old ladies being bashed up. Thats it in a nutshell, nothing to do with reacting more cos its a white lady. The result would have been the same if ANY old lady was bashed up im sure. There is something about an old lady getting it which deeply touches our emotions. Maybe something to do with our mother/child instincts bonded at birth. If we saw it everyday no doubt even this we would become desensitive to eventually.
Le Moor, no disrespect, but I don't buy that. Even if I were to buy that, it is still troubling(the differing response to both threads). Is the life of a young African/Black male, beaten and killed by, seemingly, 4 'sane' hoodlums, worth less than that of an old white woman being pummeled by a homeless, mentally ill crackhead? That is how homeless mentally ill crackheads behave; it's no mark on African/Black society when mentally ill, crack addicted, homeless folk act like mentally ill crack addicted homeless folk. The man who did this was homeless; he wasn't conditioned to be barbaric by TV(he doesn't have one), radio(he doesn't have one), video games(he doesn't have any) his generation or 'blackness;' he's crazy, poor and probably strung out: I expect him to behave in that manner to get his fix. The 4 knuckleheads, that are simply losers, that felt the need to bash in someone's head for simply bumping into them are more troubling to my sensibilities than the insane behaving crazy; that's how they're supposed to behave if untreated.
Point blank, I value African/Black life above all, and I don't/won't apologize or think of myself as immoral for doing so. If we don't value our lives above all else, who will? Do any of these other groups value our lives over their own group? Of course not! This "be better than them" business is why we suffer so much today. We are moral, good people; we have nothing to prove to anyone but ourselves, especially when it comes to compassion.
@ Mos Def and The Peace just seen your posts and will reply...........
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Posted: Saturday May 27th, 2006 05:01 |
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Le Moor wrote:
Didnt I say it was a heartless? Didnt I say that that I have no sympathy for the woman? I never lied, i stated as much.
And your proud of that are you. Great as that more than justifies why i decided to post here. Forget the 'blacker than thou were not worthy' crap because we choose to defend this positon. Your attitude is good enough reason to continue full stop. Lets just say i see myself as Captain Righteousness-lol (and thats a 'lol' at you not with you).
So you agree to being heartless and wear it like a badge of honour, however later on you state these words:
@Nellia
whatever. Lets keep on trying to make it out as if we enjoyed watching that woman suffer despite many posts in which argue that we dont.
Your words are slighty contradictory arent they? So which is it girl or are you just full of sh*t and a styler like i said you were?
Humour god damm humour she saids. Girl check yourself. If your instincts gave rise to humour after watching that video then you're sick. Forget trying to style it out like you care about Africans. We dont need your sort of care in our race. And to think here's you and your misguided followers questioning OUR brotherhood, when its us that rightly need to question yours, You think i wanna be part of any race who instincts lead to humour after watching that video under the premise of we have more important issues to address. Please, that nonsense needs to wash with people who get up late. By all means address the other issues but get this one right first before you do.
Snap as im no practising Christian, so where does that leave your arguement or should i say your styling. You are clearly misguided with evil and you dont have to be a Christian to see that. Imagine if every single person on this mother earth felt no emotion to that video would our earth be a better place for it or not. Answer that question honestly?
I posted it 3 times incase you missed it. Do these words not clearly state the content LG intended when she posted. Forget all that bullsh*t about caring for starving Africans, her ORIGINAL intentions are right here
Its not like she has that long to go anyway.
Its not like she has that long to go anyway.
Its not like she has that long to go anyway
And you want to defend that. *Laugh and shakes head*
Wake up.
I have spent all day explaining the intentions of my original comments if you want to twist into something its not, then fine. Some people are so guided by emotion that when reason continues to bang them over the head they still dont wake up. Nothing i can do about that. And as for starving african children being a bunch of bullsh*t, I can see where your priorities lie.
Stlying to the last. We can all take words out of content LG, but not everyone is buying it.
Its not like she has that long to go anyway.
Its not like she has that long to go anyway.
Its not like she has that long to go anyway
LG please please please dont compare your rationale with that of Professor Morehouse. You got to be frigging kidding girl. Your nothing but a styler.
No one was trying to compare anything, only trying to get you to actually read a few quotes from a thread that you posted. If you had actually read the thread that you posted and absorbed the information, you wouldnt be coming on here asking DM if he was racist or with the old clique of "two wrongs dont make a right".
again Stlying to the last. We can all take words out of content LG, but not everyone is buying it, especially me. Furthermore two wrongs DONT make a right in this example, dont twist it to anything other than that. What you failed to do was recite the sentence connected to it so ill leave you with the words again. May i ask you to take time and let them delve deep into your consciousness, as you are clearly in desperate need of them.
I have not the energy nor the time to be going tit for tat with you on how horrible my comments were. I explained myself and what I meant so I'll leave it at that interpret it how you want to, because it seems as if you made up your mind anyway. If i found sarcasm in the situation, then so I did. There were others who were downright laughing at her getting beat down, but for some reason you feel the need to address me only. I said what was on my mind, whether it sets me in a bad light or not I dont care. When my enemy can sit back and watch my people die, oppress my people, beat them and rape them for centuries and then give them back nothing in return not even so much as an apology, I have no time and energy to be feeling sorry for him and the plight of his people. If someone does not have any feelings or regard to my well being, then i return them the same sentiments, and spare no feelings as regard to their well being. Simple. Those are the moral standards I go by, so save the "two rights dont make a wrong" mess for someone who cares. You say our race doesnt need blacks like me, but blacks like you are the reasons as to why our race hasn't and won't progress. Too busy worrying about whitey and his livelihood while not thinking of our own. Whitey can slap you, beat you, rape you and you will still be at his feet licking his toes if the slightest harm ever befalls him while at the same time attacking other blacks who refuse to do the same. Styling? Call it what you like. You asked me if the world would be a better place if no one felt any emotion toward that video, when what you should be asking yourself is would our race be in a better position if we felt more emotion towards black people being victimized and killed rather than the white plight.
My comments were heartless? People could say that Malcolm X comments were heartless as well when he commented on JFK assassination saying "the chickens have finally come home to roast, and chickens coming home to roast doesn't make me sad, in fact its makes me glad." This is what he said after the man died, yet if you read Malcolm Xs speeches and understands where he comes from no one except whites would be foolish enough to call him evil, or inhumane. I am no Malcolm X nor do i claim to be, but many of his comment were hardcore but that in no way makes him inhumane.
You think Im evil??? Well check out the thread on the Duke rape case. Although I thought some of the woman's actions were foolish, i certainly didnt go out of my way to say that she deserved to get raped and beaten for stripping for white men, the woman deserved it because she was a stripper, etc. etc. Yet you will find people making those exact comments. I would say that saying someone deserved to be gangraped and beaten under any circumstances is pretty heartless. But im cold and inhumane because of my comments made about the white woman, and ones said in irony at that? People can come on here and blast me for my comments made about a white woman call me a bi*ch, pathetic soul, etc. yet when people make heartless comments when one of our own is being victimized even if its a child, people can nod their heads in agreement??? I can now see the hyprocrisy on this board so clearly that it makes me sick. Styling? whatever, screw you, you call it what you like. So sit here and make some more sensless arguments about what i meant and didnt mean, thats ok we can do this all night.
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Posted: Saturday May 27th, 2006 06:17 |
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This topic needed to be made, its been well baalanced.
However, in my time in the village, in no way is 'black on white' crime treated more favourably then 'black on black'. 00000000000000000000000000%%%%
This topic here is an aberation, definately not the norm. I think the fact that she is old is the main factor.
something that is more normal is the extra importance given to white perps of crime against us then to black perps.
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Posted: Saturday May 27th, 2006 07:33 |
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Libergals comments have sparked a lot of heated debate on this subject! We all know the scum who done this should be jailed for ten years with hopefully being buggered every day he serves! But the comments came from someone I personally would not like to meet or know! She sounds like a nasty bitter person who cant grasp the simple fact that no matter how old the women was and how long she had left of her life and what colour she was the cowardly act was WRONG and did not need such STUPID STUPID comments!
I really think the difference between our countries say a lot!! If it had happened here in the UK the outrage would be enormous and I will be honest and say if it would have been white on a black women there would have been riots on the streets!! Black on white..whites really don’t care as they seem cold to such things to there elderly!!
Nah don’t like this person one bit!!! Stay a few thousands mile away please!!!
That was someones Mother, wife, grandmother!!
One question libergal!!! If it had been YOUR mother in that film!!how would you feel and what would you have thought if someone else had posted what you said!!
I will be heartless as you now... and hope that your mother really gets a much bigger kicking than that old women did!!
!!! HOW DOES THAT FEEL LIBERGAL????
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Posted: Saturday May 27th, 2006 09:36 |
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Miss Nellia wrote:
did you hear about the riots in Birmingham last year when it was RUMOURED that a African/black girl was raped by Asians, 100's of AFIRCAN MEN took to the streets.
The streets would of been empty if it was rumoured that the black girl was raped by other blacks though.
Thousands of blacks marched in protest of a young black man shot in the back by US police.
Again the streets would of been empty if the black man was shot in the back by another black man.
What is your argument?
That could be it.
Is this what you and LG would prefer to read.
"oh goody another white b**ch god her fat ass kicked by an African man and purse robbed, let's rejoice... yes AFRICANS RULE, we some tough m*****f*****s. brapp brapp!!!" I mean c'mon please!!!!
Paris created a good thread the other day about reading. Look it up.
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Posted: Saturday May 27th, 2006 10:12 |
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......Do people really and honestly believe that iof the tape was of an old black woman being beaten by a white junky, noone would bat an eyelid..........?
You know good and well thats not true......................the only thing that would change is that Liberian Girl....no offense to her, would have cared about it, there wouldn't have been any talk of "oh well she has not got long to go"...or "at least she survived"....she would have been saying what the majority of people here are saying.
THAT NOT WITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT AN OLD BLACK WOMAN BEING BEATEN STILL WOULDN'T HAVE ANY AFFECT ON THOSE STARVING IN AFRICA OR GENOCIDE.
How can a black man, who is the son/grandson/brother/uncle/husband/father to a black person..............do something like this and we think it has no repurcussion...if he is a junky, how can that not affect his black family?, if he has to rob someone to get money.... how can he be fulfilling his duty to those in his black family who may rely on him financially? If he is this unecessarily violent to a stanger (and a freil one at that)......is it probable that he may have been violent before to people who are also black...maybe even his own grandmother?........this footage is a snapshot into the mind of this man..............the mind he makes his decisions with everyday.
Think about it....just think...............further than just the end of your nose...its this same attitude (devalue of human life) towards our fellow human being that creates the right sort of atmosphere for genocides, child soldiers etc ....its just on a much larger scale thats all....buy rest assured, it starts in the mind of individuals first.
As far as the "they wouldn't care if it was the other way round"....maybe not, maybe some would (its irrelevent)......but all you will prove is that in all your effort to "counteract" their attitude....you have succeeded in becoming them.
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Posted: Saturday May 27th, 2006 11:24 |
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liberiangirl wrote: Le Moor wrote:
I have not the energy nor the time to be going tit for tat with you on how horrible my comments were.
Yeah right but you have the energy and time to fill up peoples head with your foolishness. People who dont break down your arguement to the garbage it is.
I explained myself and what I meant so I'll leave it at that interpret it how you want to, because it seems as if you made up your mind anyway.
No you didnt, you tried to lie and style it out around words which you really know are wrong, but havent got the presence to admitt it.
If i found sarcasm in the situation, then so I did. There were others who were downright laughing at her getting beat down, but for some reason you feel the need to address me only.
Again spare me the self pity, if you rewind you'll indeed see it was YOU who first addressed me in this post with your audiacity in comparing Proffessor Morehouse's words to your own warped therory. So as well as being a styler you're also delusional.
as a I said what was on my mind, whether it sets me in a bad light or not I dont care. When my enemy can sit back and watch my people die, oppress my people, beat them and rape them for centuries and then give them back nothing in return not even so much as an apology, I have no time and energy to be feeling sorry for him and the plight of his people. If someone does not have any feelings or regard to my well being, then i return them the same sentiments, and spare no feelings as regard to their well being.
'Dont let our years of oppression tip your balance of righteousness'. This message obviously still isnt loud and clear to you is it. Futhermore you just dont get it. Your initial reaction was offkey, sick even. Its this you need to check. Your arguement is wrong place wrong time.
Simple. Those are the moral standards I go by
Those are the morals standards you go by
Moral Standards. *shakes head in disbelief* What are they like the same Moral Standards which forced you to seek ridicule when you wrote this after seeing an old lady get her head bashed in.
Its not like she has that long to go anyway.
its that what you mean when you refer to moral standards.
so save the "two rights dont make a wrong" mess for someone who cares. You say our race doesnt need blacks like me, but blacks like you are the reasons as to why our race hasn't and won't progress. Too busy worrying about whitey and his livelihood while not thinking of our own. Whitey can slap you, beat you, rape you and you will still be at his feet licking his toes if the slightest harm ever befalls him while at the same time attacking other blacks who refuse to do the same.
*Yawn*
Styling? Call it what you like. You asked me if the world would be a better place if no one felt any emotion toward that video, when what you should be asking yourself is would our race be in a better position if we felt more emotion towards black people being victimized and killed rather than the white plight.
Again wrong place wrong time to ask this question. You're detracting from an issue which this thread is addressing. If your mind instinctively reverts to this after watching that video then somethings wrong with you.Thats the issue that no matter how much you continue to style it out i will not allow you to cloud over.
My comments were heartless? People could say that Malcolm X comments were heartless as well when he commented on JFK assassination saying "the chickens have finally come home to roast, and chickens coming home to roast doesn't make me sad, in fact its makes me glad." This is what he said after the man died, yet if you read Malcolm Xs speeches and understands where he comes from no one except whites would be foolish enough to call him evil, or inhumane. I am no Malcolm X nor do i claim to be, but many of his comment were hardcore but that in no way makes him inhumane.
Once again you use a man in high regard to try and somehow link to your madness. Malcom X believed in SELF DEFENCE against white brutality. He would have NEVER agreed with mugging old ladies in order to buy crack you damm fool.
You think Im evil???
No i think your misguided by evil.
Well check out the thread on the Duke rape case. Although I thought some of the woman's actions were foolish, i certainly didnt go out of my way to say that she deserved to get raped and beaten for stripping for white men, the woman deserved it because she was a stripper, etc. etc. Yet you will find people making those exact comments. I would say that saying someone deserved to be gangraped and beaten under any circumstances is pretty heartless. But im cold and inhumane because of my comments made about the white woman, and ones said in irony at that? People can come on here and blast me for my comments made about a white woman call me a bi*ch, pathetic soul, etc. yet when people make heartless comments when one of our own is being victimized even if its a child, people can nod their heads in agreement???
We can only be judged by our words and im judging you by yours on this thread only. No doubt elsewhere you may be on the money although somehow i doubt it.
I can now see the hyprocrisy on this board so clearly that it makes me sick. Styling? whatever, screw you, you call it what you like. So sit here and make some more sensless arguments about what i meant and didnt mean, thats ok we can do this all night.
I thought you said you havent got time for this, make up your mind. There may well be hypocracy and our reactions may well be desensitive towards events concerning black on black or whatever. However to use this arguement in the content you're trying to is wrong place wrong time. Your instinctive reaction to seeing an old lady being beat up was nothing short of that of a animal and not one belonging to that of a human.
and you really do need to check yourself about that.
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Posted: Saturday May 27th, 2006 11:27 |
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hmmmm...
Crime happens everyday, that's true.
At any given time, one crime catches people's attention more than others.
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Posted: Saturday May 27th, 2006 11:38 |
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chi wrote: ......DHow can a black man, who is the son/grandson/brother/uncle/husband/father to a black person..............do something like this and we think it has no repurcussion...
Oh it has repercussions alright, to some anyway....in fact that's one of the reasons people are so angry. They ain't thinking about the old woman really, they're too busy going around thinking...."Oh this will make my life harder, I have to live with the stereotypes other black people create for me" and "Oh nooo's other races will think even worse about black people now." when in truth it's not perception of other black people they're bothered about it's themself.
How pathetically selfish.
Hey, maybe if some blacks cry out loud enough about this, some white people might see this and think, "They're not all that bad are they."
if he is a junky, how can that not affect his black family?
He's homeless, how do you even know he has a family? Obviously they don't care about him anyway.
, if he has to rob someone to get money.... how can he be fulfilling his duty to those in his black family who may rely on him financially?
How can he do this when he is homeless? In fact he would be better off in prison.
If he is this unecessarily violent to a stanger (and a freil one at that)......is it probable that he may have been violent before to people who are also black...maybe even his own grandmother?........
It's also probable that he has never done this before to anybody, who are you to say what tipped him over the edge?. You don't know this man's life. Maybe his whole life has been spent being screwed over by other black people for all you know. Maybe it's his black community which he might of come from that caused him to be the way is now. They sure as hell do create their fair share of criminals in certain parts of the world. And you want to talk about repercussions....how about starting with collective responsibity. It's not me who lets these people breed around me, and then does nothing about it.
this footage is a snapshot into the mind of this man..............the mind he makes his decisions with everyday.
Also a snap shot about the place he has come from.
Think about it....just think...............further than just the end of your nose...its this same attitude (devalue of human life) towards our fellow human being that creates the right sort of atmosphere for genocides, child soldiers etc ....its just on a much larger scale thats all....buy rest assured, it starts in the mind of individuals first.
Who only care about themselves anyway, or how other people percieve them.
As far as the "they wouldn't care if it was the other way round"....maybe not, maybe some would (its irrelevent)......but all you will prove is that in all your effort to "counteract" their attitude....you have succeeded in becoming them.
What by suddenly not treating everything equally as I stated before.
Most of you when you read about a crime, the first thing you ALL think is that hope it wasn't another black who did this, and not the victim at all? Why do you hope that? Right, you don't want to get stereotyped.......and it's not your own race you're bothered about stereotyping you either.
All this pretending to care about the victim is almost amusing, however it's just sad.
"What effect will this have on me?" that's the source of the anger and hatred alright. I'll call it the Bill Cosby effect, only he has the money to do something about it. Perhaps I'm too harsh on the man afterall.
When the crime is black on black, you get all comfortable, because you seem to think it has no effect on how people percieve you. Change the colour of the victim and you all freak out, because suddenly it matters.
Oh it matters in both cases equally, the lack of regard for one is what creates the other problems as well.
Lack of collective responsibity will often result in collective grief, shame and hatred. Yet, boy aren't we quick to criticize or stare out another black in one way or another. Man, that's some determination there. Don't believe me? look at all the constructive threads in this forum and others. Turn that determination around and you'll find that things would improve for us, we'd certainly stop stabbing each other in the back soon enough.
Think the majority of humans are pathetic, then take the individual route which currently is the wisest road to take, you'll be working alone for improvement regardless of how much you care currently..
My problem with this thread is this. We're quite happpy to have people like this amongst us, but when they get out there and are amongst them...that when we all start to care....but by then it's too late.
And people biggest worry is about being stereotyped. aka What will people think of me.
Last edited on Saturday May 27th, 2006 11:43 by Peacemaker
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Posted: Saturday May 27th, 2006 11:49 |
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Man problem with this thread is this. We're quite happpy to have people like this amongst us, but when they get out there and are amongst them...that when we all start to care....but by then it's too late.
This here is the real problem lack of pride its ok to live in the ghettos with the crackheads and such but once I got enough money im gonna bounce to a decent (white) area afterall its wont be MY problem then will it?
apart from I will admit that I would be wondeing what people secretly though of me if this happend over here cos like I said before these types of things lead to revenge attacks and stuff
BUT how often does a crime happen and you have "community Leaders" stepping up and appologising for people they dont even know? quite often so that is a clear indication thats a persons actions can speak for an entire race...
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Posted: Saturday May 27th, 2006 12:12 |
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This here is the real problem lack of pride its ok to live in the ghettos with the crackheads and such but once I got enough money im gonna bounce to a decent (white) area afterall its wont be MY problem then will it?
apart from I will admit that I would be wondeing what people secretly though of me if this happend over here cos like I said before these types of things lead to revenge attacks and stuff
BUT how often does a crime happen and you have "community Leaders" stepping up and appologising for people they dont even know? quite often so that is a clear indication thats a persons actions can speak for an entire race...
It's not the community leaders who should be apologizing it's members of that person's family that should do that job. (It's one of the reasons why we have surnames).
Community leaders are actually counter-productive in the long term. They should behave more like village elders who you goto for advice. (which would in someways compenstate for the lack of the father/mother figure) not having grand parents can be harmfull too.
What we have now is social workers, and hell you have to get a degree for that these days for some reason, and what do they do?
Just plain respect of my own family has stopped me from even thinking about doing anything stupid. Taint the family name and I'm f**ked left, right, and centre. Give the family a good name then you'll get the respect that you deserve.
People's idea of respect has gone abit awry thesedays. They hate their names so much that they even give themselves nicknames, like shotgun, driver, killer, bamba, MC this and that etc, etc, and then expect to be feared or respected because of it, which why some go postal when they get their toes stepped on, because the yes men idiots who they have as friends decided to give these guys the respect/fear, and anything but that in their eyes deserves to be punished.
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Posted: Saturday May 27th, 2006 12:24 |
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First let me say that I did not see the clip, but it is quite evident from the responses that followed exactly what was going down. I have no need to have it confirmed by watching an old lady getting pummeled .
Unless it is happening in the boxing ring with two consenting adults (and even then I am selective) I have no desire to see one human being getting battered by another.
However, the clip and the comments certainly, have caused a heated debate. From some of the comments I have read I am left wondering what the deal is.
For example, are people more upset/horrified/concerned etc. because:
a) The attacker was black
b) The victim was an old lady
c) The attacker was black and the victim was an old lady
d) The attacker was black and the victim was an old white lady
Therefore leading me to wonder if people’s reactions or concerns would have been different (e.g. less volatile) if one of the following scenarios were the case:
a) The attacker was white (as well as the victim)
b) The victim was a young lady or a man
I won’t give the scenario of white attacker and black victim, because it doesn’t take much to work out how that would have played out……though one can never say for sure.
I also wonder, if some people’s reactions (given the race of attacker and victim) stem from the concern that this kind of thing reflects badly on black people in general and thus can have repercussions on black people in general – the old thing about “what white people think of us matters�. Hence, are there some here who would, in a perverse sort of way, be better able to handle a black victim/black attacker simply because the ‘repercussion effect’ on blacks in general doesn’t play out the same?
Well that’s for the individual to answer…………….I just wondered is all.
For me the concerns about this incident stem from the gravity and brutality of the ‘instance of a younger man beating up an old woman’ (as opposed to just robbing her, say, which could have been accomplished with little resistance given the relative strength of the parties).
The race element is not so much a factor for me, in that I would just be as appalled if the attacker were white, because ‘the stronger beating up on the weaker (a cowardly act) appalls me – pure and simple, full stop. It turns my stomach (and that’s why I have no desire to see the video clip) to see any helpless individual getting battered relentlessly. Something in my upbringing (conditioning or whatever) which tells me this kind of thing is wrong, wrong, wrong and no civilised society should ever find it acceptable or excusable no matter what combination of victim and attacker you care to put to the scenario.
I have long since stop feeling extra anguish in situations where the perpetrator of a particular anti-social, brutal or evil act is black – something that used to concern me because it made me feel ‘damn this looks bad on all of us and only adds to white peoples belief that we are all animals’. I have come to realize that:
a) white people who see all blacks a certain (negative) way because of the actions of one (or a few) blacks will think that way no matter what blacks, singularly or in general do. So why give myself that extra anxiety? I know the truth and that’s all that matters.
b) If blacks in general are allowed to feel a sense of worth and belonging only when each and every black person is above reproach and beyond doing anything which can be remotely considered negative behavior then I, my children and my children’s, children will never be free of the burden that we have to be better than the best (i.e. perfect even) all the time. Damn show me an individual, let alone a whole group of people who can live up to such a demand and I will show you God.
So the race factor or the so-called ‘repercussions’ don’t figure in this for me. My sensibilities have been touched by a poor defenseless individual getting battered by another individual who has the physical strength to overpower the weaker individual with little or no resistance and with little risk of harm from that individual. That sickens me.
For those who are able to turn up/down/off their compassion or sensibilities based on the race of the parties, I have to say you can do something I cannot. You see I can empathise with, say, the child of the elderly person who sees that happening to their loved one, because I can imagine the pain of seeing it happen to my mother. I can empathise with the pain of the parent whose child has gone missing or got abducted because I can imagine how I would feel if it was my child. This is what empathy is about……putting yourself in another’s place, and it doesn’t depend on you and the person being of the same race. But empathy aside there is still the fact that such things appall me because they are sick and wrong, even if I don’t put myself in the other person’s shoes.
Do I care about what happens to Africans in particular? Well yes, and no shame there, but that is not the same as caring what happens to Africans to the exclusion of all else.
If something is happening to Africans, because they are Africans it is much closer to home for me, being an African, so naturally I would be more concerned. But does that mean I can’t/mustn’t care (feel compassion) for things that happen to non-Africans? Especially when those things are not nice things to happen to anyone? Hell no.
I am from a race, a culture and a heritage that knows of compassion and concern for all things we share this world with, so it is in my blood to be compassionate. My main focus in life may be about the welfare of my people because of the world situation that we face and are in, but that does mean I do not have the capacity to be concerned for things on a wider Societal or World level.
If you are someone who only opens your ears and eyes to something because the 'African/Black' factor is present then you are a different African to the one I am, I’ll tell you that. Sure, if I were in a position where I had to choose (on the basis that I can only help one ‘cause’ at a time) between two comparable ‘causes’ and the only difference was that one concerned the welfare of my people, I would choose the one for my people. But it does mean that the only ‘causes’ I am concerned about or will give time to are those that affect Africans. Besides looking at the wider picture anything that affects people in this world, will also affect Africans being as they are part of this world no?
This incident is bad! Not because the victim was white, or because the attacker was black, or because all black people will now be tainted with his act. It is bad because:
NO helpless and defenseless person (regardless of race, sex or creed) should be set on in this way by another, for ANY reason.
That is just plain sick and wrong however you slice and dice it!
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