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Posted: Sunday April 30th, 2006 20:47 |
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We all know that africans everywhere have adopted european names either by choice, or by slave legacy, or religion.
But, why is it so hard for diasporians to go the other way and name their kids african names. Now i'm not bashing west indians, but they seem to be the worst culprits for this--their names are soooo english! Just str8 up boring english names trevor, george, andrew etc...
Even african-americans are slowly gettin more afro-centric or islamic in names, but the carribbeans seem to holding on to their british names for dear life!
P.S Its getting to the stage now where mixed race ppls with english names are so racially ambiguous you can't tell what their heritage is.
Jamos and Trinis don't take offense cos you know I don't intend it.
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Posted: Sunday April 30th, 2006 21:12 |
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stick-upKid wrote: We all know that africans everywhere have adopted european names either by choice, or by slave legacy, or religion.
But, why is it so hard for diasporians to go the other way and name their kids african names. Now i'm not bashing west indians, but they seem to be the worst culprits for this--their names are soooo english! Just str8 up boring english names trevor, george, andrew etc...
Even african-americans are slowly gettin more afro-centric or islamic in names, but the carribbeans seem to holding on to their british names for dear life!
P.S Its getting to the stage now where mixed race ppls with english names are so racially ambiguous you can't tell what their heritage is.
Jamos and Trinis don't take offense cos you know I don't intend it.
I'm not WI, but I think the whole thing with names of children/adults may be due to assimilation or just not trying to stick out in the crowd too much....
Here in the states, names that were African- or African sounding did not become popular until the Black Power Movement of the late 60's and early 70's...and some BA'S still resist these names for whatever reason.......Perhaps SOME WI'S look at African influenced names differently than other blacks....Most of the WI'S I have met here in the U.S have very "ethnic" names, weather they are truly African or African encouraged....ie, Kenya, Lakeisha, Dashawn, Andwele, Kenyatta, Jabari...ect.........But that may be due to black American influence....Who knows????? Is it really a big deal???
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Posted: Sunday April 30th, 2006 21:17 |
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stick-upKid wrote: We all know that africans everywhere have adopted european names either by choice, or by slave legacy, or religion.
But, why is it so hard for diasporians to go the other way and name their kids african names. Now i'm not bashing west indians, but they seem to be the worst culprits for this--their names are soooo english! Just str8 up boring english names trevor, george, andrew etc...
Even african-americans are slowly gettin more afro-centric or islamic in names, but the carribbeans seem to holding on to their british names for dear life!
P.S Its getting to the stage now where mixed race ppls with english names are so racially ambiguous you can't tell what their heritage is.
Jamos and Trinis don't take offense cos you know I don't intend it.
So I take it that if we are from else where in the West Indies we should take offense??
Great topic, now watch the shabakas and Prince punt characters emerge.
I personally would like to have an African name, but I would want that name to reflect my ancestry. What I mean by that I would have to trace my ancestry to at least a region and choose a name from there. Also there is the issue of my name being given to me by my parents, like it or not my name has a meaning to them, you may not like it because it is not African but it has some symbolic meaning to them. How do I go to them and tell them f**k the story surrounding how I came to have my name, I don't want it anymore. I can't do that sorry.
What I can do is make sure that my future child have appropiate African names, why? because that is my choice and not because I was browbeaten into it. The legacy I leave my future children will have to mean something and stand for something, hence why I think it is important to trace my roots to as far back as I can, so my children will know exactly where their names hail from and their meanings and have something to be proud of. Their names will certainly NOT be Arabic.
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Posted: Sunday April 30th, 2006 21:18 |
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Jamos and Trinis don't take offense cos you know I don't intend it.
if you didnt want to offend you wouldnt have said jamos. that in itself is a derrogatory slur
furthermore whats so special about an islamic name...their arabic and not african
damn cheek!
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Posted: Sunday April 30th, 2006 21:37 |
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Even though I don't have an African name, I don't mind. As long as I know my roots, and where I come from I'm fine. I might give my kids some African names though.
I'm not west Indian though.
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Posted: Sunday April 30th, 2006 21:38 |
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Posted: Sunday April 30th, 2006 21:45 |
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....What I think is of a more alarming concern are the Africans/those of African parentage who avoid "afrocentric" names or rather their given African names...............try to call some Africans by their "native" name and see the looks some will shoot at you.
 ....abeg, mek we give the AA's and Carribeans around here a break.......
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Posted: Sunday April 30th, 2006 21:46 |
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| West indians have a british influenced culture hence their names. (Read that sentence carefully before you start criticizing me!!) Where is Disco_Inferno? Last edited on Sunday April 30th, 2006 21:51 by ayanfe2006
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Posted: Sunday April 30th, 2006 22:02 |
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dunno where disco_I is...
maybe you should log out and log back in and tell us
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Posted: Sunday April 30th, 2006 22:03 |
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LadyDay wrote: stick-upKid wrote:
Jamos and Trinis don't take offense cos you know I don't intend it.
if you didnt want to offend you wouldnt have said jamos. that in itself is a derrogatory slur
furthermore whats so special about an islamic name...their arabic and not african
damn cheek!
Being African and having visited Western amd northern Africa and most recently Egypt and Ghana. Arabic culture has a strong dominance in Africa particularly in Muslim cultures. Therefore an Arabic name is totally valid for people of black ancestory.
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Posted: Sunday April 30th, 2006 22:18 |
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stylishsista wrote: LadyDay wrote: stick-upKid wrote:
Jamos and Trinis don't take offense cos you know I don't intend it.
if you didnt want to offend you wouldnt have said jamos. that in itself is a derrogatory slur
furthermore whats so special about an islamic name...their arabic and not african
damn cheek!
Being African and having visited Western amd northern Africa and most recently Egypt and Ghana. Arabic culture has a strong dominance in Africa particularly in Muslim cultures. Therefore an Arabic name is totally valid for people of black ancestory.
I find the underlined statement VERY ironic and familiar. So let me get this straight, Arabs have a great influence in Africa? and so having a Arabic name alright??? I know which words comes to mind......
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Posted: Sunday April 30th, 2006 22:26 |
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I dont agree with having arabic names = African roots name.
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Posted: Sunday April 30th, 2006 22:29 |
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| Hold on! Thats a good topic right there! I was actually thinking about this today. I mean why bear the name of people who castrated and lynched your forefathers while raping the womenand all sort of disgusting acts that are too gross to type here? The way I see it is that as longas you still bear these names, you are still owned by Europeans/Americans (at least at apsychological level). I think the way to go is to get African names, most might not see it ascool or anything, but trust, there are some beautiful African names. To cut the long storyshort, here is an exerpt from a black empowerment journal:"Most African Americans have last names which their foreparents inherited from their slave masters. As long as we continue wearing the names of our slave masters, can we truly be free? If we are wearing the white man's slave name, he still owns us more or less. Imagine all the white people in America wearing African names. What would this do to their minds, psyche, & thinking? Reverse this, imagine all the African American wearing African names. What effect will this have upon their minds, psyche and thinking collectively? Let us consider dropping the slave names and take on our true names as we awaken to our true history and true identity. NAME is vibration and vibration is energy or power that affects us profoundly. Books to get you started; The Book of African Names by Molefi Asante; Golden Names for An African People by Nia Damali"
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Posted: Sunday April 30th, 2006 22:36 |
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Miss Nellia wrote: stylishsista wrote: LadyDay wrote: stick-upKid wrote:
Jamos and Trinis don't take offense cos you know I don't intend it.
if you didnt want to offend you wouldnt have said jamos. that in itself is a derrogatory slur
furthermore whats so special about an islamic name...their arabic and not african
damn cheek!
Being African and having visited Western amd northern Africa and most recently Egypt and Ghana. Arabic culture has a strong dominance in Africa particularly in Muslim cultures. Therefore an Arabic name is totally valid for people of black ancestory.
I find the underlined statement VERY ironic and familiar. So let me get this straight, Arabs have a great influence in Africa? and so having a Arabic name alright??? I know which words comes to mind......
my point exactly!!!!
this whole thread is dead and i dont see anyone coming back better than this
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Posted: Sunday April 30th, 2006 23:29 |
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Well, all I can say is, if Diasporan Africans are going to adopt African names, then they should make sure the names they choose are African Names. Nothing annoys me more than to see people running around with names like Abdullah and Mohammed and thinking they are African names. There is nothing wrong with having these names, but just don't mistake them for African names. Same like John and Peter are not African names.
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Posted: Sunday April 30th, 2006 23:50 |
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stylishsista wrote: LadyDay wrote: stick-upKid wrote:
Jamos and Trinis don't take offense cos you know I don't intend it.
if you didnt want to offend you wouldnt have said jamos. that in itself is a derrogatory slur
furthermore whats so special about an islamic name...their arabic and not african
damn cheek!
Being African and having visited Western amd northern Africa and most recently Egypt and Ghana. Arabic culture has a strong dominance in Africa particularly in Muslim cultures. Therefore an Arabic name is totally valid for people of black ancestory.
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You brought up a very GOOD piont!
There are TONS of Sengelese people in the town that I'm living at now with Arab names. Of course people in an Islamic country they think nothing of it and think its quite NATURAL and African. I even had one guy tell me he thought his great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather was EGYPTIAN because his last name N'DIR was common in Egypt.
Islamic last names are ALL OVER AFRICA.
So are English ones!!!!
Last year when I was doing service at a retirement home I met a Nigerian (Yoruba) girl with the first name "Stella".
Quite frankly its silly to pretend that someone living in the Carribean has no none African influences anymore than there is to PRETEND that Africa is only Black African.All of Black Africa was colonized and it shows from the French they speak, to the Allah half the people worship.
There are too many problems more important than worrying about who's name is Peter or Stella.
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You brought up a very GOOD piont!
There are TONS of Sengelese people in the town that I'm living at now with Arab names. Of course people in an Islamic country they think nothing of it and think its quite NATURAL and African. I even had one guy tell me he thought his great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather was EGYPTIAN because his last name N'DIR was common in Egypt.
Islamic last names are ALL OVER AFRICA.
So are English ones!!!!
Last year when I was doing service at a retirement home I met a Nigerian (Yoruba) girl with the first name "Stella".
Quite frankly its silly to pretend that someone living in the Carribean has no none African influences anymore than there is to PRETEND that Africa is only Black African.All of Black Africa was colonized and it shows from the French they speak, to the Allah half the people worship.
There are too many problems more important than worrying about who's name is Peter or Stella.
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Posted: Monday May 1st, 2006 01:33 |
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Great post. . Quick correction, there are no Arab or white Africans. Pure and True Africans are black and at worst taureg. The Arabs in the North are insurgents with a 1000 year insurgency. Now they are waging insurgency over my fellow True and Pure Africans in Sudan. These people belong to continent of Magreb(Northern Africa), which is different from Africa proper. The Muslim senegalese are as colonized by insurgents as the Nigerian girl Stella. Islam is not an African custom.
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You brought up a very GOOD piont!
There are TONS of Sengelese people in the town that I'm living at now with Arab names. Of course people in an Islamic country they think nothing of it and think its quite NATURAL and African. I even had one guy tell me he thought his great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather was EGYPTIAN because his last name N'DIR was common in Egypt.
Islamic last names are ALL OVER AFRICA.
So are English ones!!!!
Last year when I was doing service at a retirement home I met a Nigerian (Yoruba) girl with the first name "Stella".
Quite frankly its silly to pretend that someone living in the Carribean has no none African influences anymore than there is to PRETEND that Africa is only Black African.All of Black Africa was colonized and it shows from the French they speak, to the Allah half the people worship.
There are too many problems more important than worrying about who's name is Peter or Stella.
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Posted: Monday May 1st, 2006 01:48 |
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Stylish wrote: Being African and having visited Western amd northern Africa and most recently Egypt and Ghana. Arabic culture has a strong dominance in Africa particularly in Muslim cultures. Therefore an Arabic name is totally valid for people of black ancestory.
Bollocks. Africans and Arabs are 2 different races of people, hence should stick to their own ways of life. What has the name Kareem Abdul-Jabar got to with an African? A blackman regardless of nationality, creed or gender can be a Muslim and still retains his/her own African name. Why do some Black people think they have to conform to others' ways of life? It does not make sense.
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Bollocks. Africans and Arabs are 2 different races of people, hence should stick to their own ways of life. What has the name Kareem Abdul-Jabar got to with an African? A blackman regardless of nationality, creed or gender can be a Muslim and still retains his/her own African name. Why do some Black people think they have to conform to others' ways of life? It does not make sense.
Co-sign on the underlined point especially.
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| Either publicly or sub-consciously there seems to be a need for some people to disassociate themselves from Africa. This manifests itself in many ways - names are just one of them.
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Posted: Monday May 1st, 2006 07:38 |
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Incognito wrote: Either publicly or sub-consciously there seems to be a need for some people to disassociate themselves from Africa. So what it is saying about Africans with Arab names???
This manifests itself in many ways - names are just one of them.
Quite the opposite, in my case, I refuse to take up any old name just because it is African, my friends have names that were lovingly given to them by their parents, it means something, reflects their tribes and African roots and is worn as a badge of honour, that's what I want... I won't have the same sentimental value attachted to my new name as they do because it wouldn't be my parents that picked the name for me, but it would be African. That's why my children will have African names. Chosen by me and their father and will be something they will wear with pride.
Expecting all West Indians to run and choose any name quickly is unlikely to happen... many of us were given our names for reasons, including you. My parents weren't thinking of the white man when they choose my name, my mother was thinking of her mother that passed the year I was born. I would find it hard to go and say to her now..."I don't want your whiteman's name anymore". It is not that simple. But it is up to me to stop the trend, and that I will do. That is MY CHOICE, I am not expecting others to follow suit, but at least a significant number of us are of the same thinking.
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Its good to see debates that haven't spiralled into name calling despite the attempts of a few.
I don't mean offense at any caribs full stop. ok.
Anyways the reason why I say islamic is because I believe it represents a different or alternative thinkin to str8 up euro-centricness. If you have a child and you name her /him Imani or Jamal or Hakim I believe thats better than Sarah, James and Harry.
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