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Posted: Saturday May 6th, 2006 12:53 |
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Now i'm not bashing west indians, but they seem to be the worst culprits for this--their names are soooo english! Just str8 up boring english names trevor, george, andrew etc..."
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Posted: Saturday May 6th, 2006 12:56 |
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Now i'm not bashing west indians, but they seem to be the worst culprits for this--their names are soooo english! Just str8 up boring english names trevor, george, andrew etc..."
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Posted: Saturday May 6th, 2006 13:33 |
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ITS OVER, MARCUS.
TRY TO MOVE ON.
THE PAIN WILL DIE.
I PROMISE.
Last edited on Saturday May 6th, 2006 13:36 by stick-upKid
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Posted: Saturday May 6th, 2006 13:36 |
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stick-upKid wrote:
ITS OVER, MARCUS.
TRY TO MOVE ON.
Why are you knocking MGL's points? surely he is just proving that some West Indians do choose African names.
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Posted: Saturday May 6th, 2006 13:41 |
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Rastawoman wrote: stick-upKid wrote:
ITS OVER, MARCUS.
TRY TO MOVE ON.
Why are you knocking MGL's points? surely he is just proving that some West Indians do choose African names.
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I tell you what he's proving. And that is that he is in deep pain. I wish I could help him out, send him some chocolates, or something.
But no. I feel no remorse for him. I feel only shame that an African Descendant Male can hurt so bad, and whine so publically. The effeminsation of the Black Man IS COMPLETE.
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Posted: Saturday May 6th, 2006 13:49 |
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Posted: Saturday May 6th, 2006 13:51 |
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I tell you what he's proving. And that is that he is in deep pain. I wish I could help him out, send him some chocolates, or something.
But no. I feel no remorse for him. I feel only shame that an African Descendant Male can hurt so bad, and whine so publically. The effeminsation of the Black Man IS COMPLETE.
Is it because he is disproving your point that you feel to respond in this way?
But didn't you start the public whining with your ''why do.... ''
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Posted: Saturday May 6th, 2006 14:00 |
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Relentlessly, the horde came, one after the other. As inevitable as day becoming night.
Pursuing the baffled young man, who came bearing no arms, only questions.
His mind pondered. "Why do they hound and persist".
A question no mortal could ever answer.
"They wish me banished and shamed" the curious one thought.
"They have a long fight".
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Posted: Saturday May 6th, 2006 14:26 |
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DrunkMonkey wrote: People have also forgotten a key factor.
Names primarily link to FAMILIES. Your name identifys you as a member of your family and clan. All over the world. I have a european name. Yes it was brought to my family by colonisation but that was in the 1800s. My name NOW links me to my father, grandfather uncles and cousins. I wear my name with pride.
My son will carry my name as well and those who don't like it can call me coconut or suck out if they must. I'm not ashamed of my father or family.
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@DrunkMonkey. You are not a coconut, or suck out and you should not be ashamed of your family name. It is not like you chose the name you carry when you were born, it was given to you and you had no choice back then. If your parents had named you Yenkopiong Bior Manoja and then you went and changed it to Michael Peter Davidson, then yes I will call you a coconut and perhaps a sell-out.
However what I don't agree with is the assertion that your son will carry your names even if they are European names (that is what I got from your writing, I might be wrong). There has to come a time when we have to break the cycle and rivert back to our African names and this cycle should start with our kids when we have them.
I don't know about Zimbabwe but in the part of Africa where I come from; a kid is given about 6-8 names before they were born. That is the grand-parents will choose a name, the parents will choose a name, the uncles and aunts all will choose a name. The parents usually then choose the three names the kid will use for school and legal documents, etc, etc. Even though you legally go by your three chosen names, you still have five (5) other names that you might not use on a regular basis and most of the time the people who gave you that name are the ones who use it the most. So if you go back generations you can find the names from your clan/tribe before colonialism came in. It is that names you should chose and give to your kids.
It is not mandatory that our kids have our family names. What is important is that the kid have our tribal/clan names because the tribe is the big family where everyone came from and that is your big family for good or worse. Go down to the village where you originate from and go all the way back to your tribe and then to your clan. There you will find the answers because most tribes started with a few families hundreds of years ago.
Breadfruit said it correctly when he said "When the victim names their child after the rapist there lies, an inescapable contradiction, which denotes a particular pathology - which is not one of liberation, freedom and development. - Things key in any serious debate and analysis of our present condition". So I say if we have the opportunity to correct things; why not make the correction and this should be an urgent correction you should make starting with your kids particularly since you are a continental and not a diasporan.
No hard feelings here; just an attempt at discussion to find solutions and understandings. Last edited on Sunday May 7th, 2006 06:02 by Vubundada_Kandaba
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Posted: Sunday May 7th, 2006 16:37 |
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BlackBeauty wrote: stick-upKid wrote:
I tell you what he's proving. And that is that he is in deep pain. I wish I could help him out, send him some chocolates, or something.
But no. I feel no remorse for him. I feel only shame that an African Descendant Male can hurt so bad, and whine so publically. The effeminsation of the Black Man IS COMPLETE.
Is it because he is disproving your point that you feel to respond in this way?
But didn't you start the public whining with your ''why do....''
exactly what I was thinking *kmt*
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Posted: Sunday May 7th, 2006 18:12 |
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| stickupkid i dont see what your indifference is to MGL, he has made a good contribution to the thread
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Posted: Sunday May 7th, 2006 18:42 |
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The thing between me and MGL is a man thing. You birds just wouldnt get it.
I actually think MGL is one of the most important members of BNV. If you look at the information he constantly brings. He is unrivalled in that sense.
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Posted: Sunday May 7th, 2006 20:38 |
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| So what is your problem Stick-upkid?
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Posted: Wednesday May 10th, 2006 01:10 |
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From names, to attire to holiday destinations, when it comes to avoiding Africa this is the tip of the iceberg!!
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Posted: Wednesday May 10th, 2006 01:14 |
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MGL,
I'll take genuine African names, but I'm sorry. with all due respect , some of those Afrcentric names sound terrible.
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Posted: Wednesday May 10th, 2006 11:41 |
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Why are Arabic names for Black folks different from European names for Black folks? The last time I checked, Arabs ARE NOT BLACK and don't consider themselves to be Black, including those in Northern Africa. Also, look at the abuse that Blacks are taking from Arabs in Sudan (don't forget that slavery is still going on in Mauritania, another Arab country in north Africa).
I will name my children whatever I feel like. I don't care for the pseudo-African names like "Shaniqua" or "D'arrell". If most Caribbean Blacks feel like naming their children "British" names, whatever that means, they should do so. They don't owe anyone anything and don't have to name their children someting that is so-called Afro-centric to prove their Blackness.
By the way, I have African friends who have "British" names like Daniel, April, etc. Also, at least two of the most famous Africans that I have heard of have "British" names - Desmond Tutu and Nelson Mandela. Winnie Mandela, probably is from the "British" name Winnifred. It doesn't even appear that Africans make a big deal about naming their children "Afro-centric" names, so why should Caribbean Blacks be worried about this issue?
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Posted: Wednesday May 10th, 2006 11:53 |
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^^^ I have to disagree with your statement about African names not being important to Africans naming their child, ..............I dont know any African who doesn't have an African name, even if they do exist it is extra rare. You may know African people by their English name, chances are they have a native name also.
I know that at elast in Nigeria naming the child is an undispensible part of childbirth.......the Grandmother gives the child a traditional name, often at sight of the baby or even before its born.
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Posted: Wednesday May 10th, 2006 13:03 |
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| It's silly that someone can ask this question really because the carribean is a totally different culture to african culture. I love carribean names just like I love African names. Me being from trinidad, I have a very mixed background, and my own name really shows it from my parentage. But obviously, we has carribeans are going to adopt our own way of culture and names will come into it.
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Posted: Wednesday May 10th, 2006 13:49 |
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What are the "African" names of Nelson Mandela and Desmond Tutu? My African friends do not have an "African" name. Their African parents named them "British" names. Questioning why Caribbean Blacks don't name their children "Afro-centric" names is silly given that there are plenty of famous Africans out there who do not have such names.
And by the way, what is the definition of an afrocentric name? If I make up a name like "Bonefa", is that afrocentric?
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Posted: Wednesday May 10th, 2006 14:01 |
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Posted: Thursday May 11th, 2006 01:40 |
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lilsoulful1 wrote: It's silly that someone can ask this question really because the carribean is a totally different culture to african culture. I love carribean names just like I love African names. Me being from trinidad, I have a very mixed background, and my own name really shows it from my parentage. But obviously, we has carribeans are going to adopt our own way of culture and names will come into it.
Lil....1 - this is where my argument stems from:- would you say this 'own culture' has been derived from being divided and ruled? ......which begs the question is it time we accept divide and conquer as a fact of life and move forward accepting unity as a bonus (if it comes) on the notion that there's no coming back from being conquered?
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Posted: Thursday May 11th, 2006 07:14 |
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AmeriJamCan wrote: What are the "African" names of Nelson Mandela and Desmond Tutu? My African friends do not have an "African" name. Their African parents named them "British" names. Questioning why Caribbean Blacks don't name their children "Afro-centric" names is silly given that there are plenty of famous Africans out there who do not have such names.
And by the way, what is the definition of an afrocentric name? If I make up a name like "Bonefa", is that afrocentric?
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Posted: Thursday May 11th, 2006 07:19 |
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AmeriJamCan wrote: What are the "African" names of Nelson Mandela and Desmond Tutu? My African friends do not have an "African" name. Their African parents named them "British" names. Questioning why Caribbean Blacks don't name their children "Afro-centric" names is silly given that there are plenty of famous Africans out there who do not have such names.
And by the way, what is the definition of an afrocentric name? If I make up a name like "Bonefa", is that afrocentric?
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Posted: Thursday May 11th, 2006 17:00 |
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using nelson mandela and desmond tutu why dont they use their african names
koffie anan (sp) does
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Posted: Thursday May 11th, 2006 17:57 |
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LadyDay wrote: using nelson mandela and desmond tutu why dont they use their african names. koffie anan (sp) does
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@LadyDay and AmeriJamCan. Most if not all continental Africans have traditional Names. For e.g of your family is Christian they will give the boy a christian name like Nelson at baptism. Then they will give the boy a traditional names like Rolihlahla Dalibhunga Mandela. As you are aware in the west they use your two names for convinience so the last two names are used in everyday conversation which comes to Nelson Mandela. But on official documents like passports, i.d cards etc etc, they use all four names Nelson Rolihlahla Dalibhunga Mandela.
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