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Posted: Thursday May 4th, 2006 22:16 |
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Hatharuhotep wrote: Many of the West Indians I've met don't even claim to be Black.[size= I always hear some businesss about how they are "mixed" with East Indian and all kind of other nonsense. When you ask them if they've been to, the answer is always "no". For if they actually had gone to, they would find out very quickly how "indian" they are. But it makes sense. Black people in the do the same thing. Ask many of the sisters in the what they are, and you will hear a whole damn recipe: I'm one quarter Indian (but they mean "Native american", not east indian), 1/8 french, 1/24 Eskimo, half puerto Rican, and 1/50 Irish. That is because many Black people have absolutely no self esteem.] They are embarrassed to be Black. They want to identify with the people in power. In the Caribbean, East Indians own businesses like corner stores and vendor stands, and they treat Black people like something they dug out of their ear. But they appear to have things a bit "better" than the Black people, so many West Indians try to identify with them. I think Afrocentric names would identify them as being Black, and that's the problem.
Rastawoman wrote: Moderators, how come comments like these are aloud on here, if I was disrespecting any part of Africa I would get a warning or banned, but how come its ok for people to continually disrespect West Indians on BNV?
I had to defend my home country on another thread, being told that my Island is a sell out and all kinds of rubbish, now on this thread West Indians are getting it again how is this fair???
Respect
This is what Le Moor is talking about, the blantant disrespect of this person was ignored...
but to be fair to BB she did post in response to alot of the foolishness posted on here by others that dissed Caribbeans.
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Posted: Thursday May 4th, 2006 22:24 |
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People need to take this whole thing in context
it is a given and understood that through situations certain things happen
my dislike of the thread is that people have and keep trying to imply that caribbean people are lost have no culture etc because its caught up in the name game,
The thread starter singled out two islands...his 1st mistake and he has not responded to apologise or correct his error
stickup-kid quote Jamos and Trinis don't take offense cos you know I don't intend it. is it just me but last time i checked it jamos was a racial slur against Jamaicans. I use the term race to let you know the severity.
yes BNV is about a united African community identity etc It is a work in motion as far as im concerned
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anyway gonna hold my tongue for now......i have my issue with this thread and thats all i am gonna say her for now
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Posted: Thursday May 4th, 2006 22:31 |
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oh please
me apologise after you laugh at a racist remark by BP
hahahahahhahahahha
ahahahhahahahhahah
listen for your info, i started this thread to learn something: i wanted to know why west indians continue to have english names. it is really that simple. whether you believe it or not.
thanks to all those that have contributed gracefully, genuinely and without malice to this thread
the rest of you...well i'll leave it to your imaginations
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Posted: Thursday May 4th, 2006 22:36 |
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Stick-up kid what does Jamos mean????
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Le Moor & Bubz: Ok, thank you for making clear what you thought our inconsistencies were....appreciated.
Before I respond on a point by point basis..It needs to be said that I really do not think some of you fully appreciate just how difficult it is make judgement calls on a forum that is both very fluid and at times a volitle mix of personalities.
I know that I have said this in the pass, time and time again Moderating BNV is not an exact science it cannot be an exact science and it will never be an exact science... Because BNV is about people/society this is by it very nature is fluid.. It would be a bit like EXPECTING football referee's to get the off side criteria consistent across all premiership and championship leagues it will never happen!!.. It can't happen because the element of human involvement will always creating 'inconsistencies'.
Final point on this issue, given the wide range of personalities here on BNV, it is impossible to chart a consistent line on application of the guidelines....That is why I called them guidelines and NOT rules..there were meant to guide, as a starting point...not meant to be applied rigidly as some here expect.. which btw when we do I get called dictator and when we don't we then label inconsistent, come on now!!
However back to the point in hand...I saw and read Hat comments.. I saw and read peoples responses to his comments.. I personally saw the call to remove it.. I decided that wasn't called for BECAUSE it had been commented upon already, it had been addressed by the membership as it SHOULD BE, and Hat's comments were been overwhelmingly discredited as the foolish thoughts they were...
It is not in every instance that we REMOVE comments here even if they are offensive, YES it does cause arguement even among the Moderation team, but my personal arguement would be that Hat silly comments sparked a good reflective debate on an important issue, that most I suspect would have learnt a great deal from...
Moving on BB, has no Ethos, the Ethos are a general ethos we all sign up to by using BNV.. Further in defence of BB, if we commented on every offensive comments here on BNV..we would be up all night all week.. I do not comment on every clearly offensive post.. There are many times I hold back and allow others to voice what I would have said.. That is a legitimate and positive way in my view to Moderate...
What BB did from what I saw was to consistently attempt to manage the topic on a difficult and volitile subject, without trying to be over interfering..You might not like how she did it.. but come on now you try and intervene between two waring people, how difficult is that? Now multiple that by 4, 10 etc its not easy.. I thought BB did a good job encouraging the debate in the right direction..
Btw it is also unfair to say she pulled out the 'Ethos' card..what she did was to REMIND people about the PURPOSE of the THREAD..not our ETHOS..the purpose was set by the author not us, therefore Bb was supporting the authors views not BNV, you can see she made not direct reference to the ethos..
But let it not appear that I'm fudging the issue here..I am saying that there is not EXPECTATION that the Mods GET it RIGHT all the time...thats unreasonable.. There is no EXPECTATION that the Mods can treat everyone the same...impossible!"!
I personally admit I do not treat everyone the same here and i never will.. for example I do give African (black) long term posters a bit more license BECAUSE of their previous input.. I always take these posts behaviour in its entirity into account and not just the one post presented before me..FACT!!
I don't do the same for Posters of other cultures, I don't do the same for posters who are new, and I decide on each issue when it is BROUGHT to my attention on a merit by merit basis only as does all the other Mods..
Please also remember that the mod team is as diverse as the people on this board..so please do not EXPECT us all to behave the same..we can't because we are different people THAT is why they were CHOSEN..
Ps; to Stick up...We will never vote members onto the panel of the Moderation team to risky...sorry..
Thanks for to constructive criticism, don't mind the comments but i would ask for some balance for the team who work very hard to keep BNv for you and they do so volunterily..
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Posted: Thursday May 4th, 2006 22:39 |
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stick-upKid wrote: oh please
me apologise after you laugh at a racist remark by BP
hahahahahhahahahha
ahahahhahahahhahah
listen for your info, i started this thread to learn something: i wanted to know why west indians continue to have english names. it is really that simple. whether you believe it or not.
thanks to all those that have contributed gracefully, genuinely and without malice to this thread
the rest of you...well i'll leave it to your imaginations
i laughed at the irony
child your thread opened with rascism, so you are in no position to complain at all (this is said as me not as a mod)
there is a right way of doing things and a wrong way
yu could have simply asked .... are african names becoming popular amongst west indians or in the future will african names be more popular amongst disaporeans compared to present trends
i still think your a damn cheek and have nerve
if you want me to explain my dislike i will be more than happy to
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Posted: Thursday May 4th, 2006 22:42 |
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LadyDay wrote: People need to take this whole thing in context
it is a given and understood that through situations certain things happen
my dislike of the thread is that people have and keep trying to imply that caribbean people are lost have no culture etc because its caught up in the name game,
The thread starter singled out two islands...his 1st mistake and he has not responded to apologise or correct his error
stickup-kid quote Jamos and Trinis don't take offense cos you know I don't intend it. is it just me but last time i checked it jamos was a racial slur against Jamaicans. I use the term race to let you know the severity.
yes BNV is about a united African community identity etc It is a work in motion as far as im concerned
BUT
anyway gonna hold my tongue for now......i have my issue with this thread and thats all i am gonna say her for now
Ladyday...please do not reproach yourself...what needs to be understood is that the team is not just here to Moderate..but also to editorialise and stimulate thought provoking debates..otherwise it would be bloody boring here...
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Posted: Thursday May 4th, 2006 22:43 |
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"Apparently its quite offensive you know" said kwame
"Good god. Is it?" - puzzled stickup
"Why, yes. You see Jamaica...shortened to Jama, Jamo or any other derivative is simply offensive and can leave Jamaicans sleepless for days on end--apparently" informed kwame to the bemused stickup.
"Oh no, I never realised. I simply could not be arse to type the whole word, i never realised it would cause offense." - pleaded stickup
"Oh no, dear boy. They'll never believe you now. You're done for, dear chap!" - chortled kwame.
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Posted: Thursday May 4th, 2006 22:49 |
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stick-upKid wrote: "Apparently its quite offensive you know" said kwame
"Good god. Is it?" - puzzled stickup
"Why, yes. You see Jamaica...shortened to Jama, Jamo or any other derivative is simply offensive and can leave Jamaicans sleepless for days on end--apparently" informed kwame to the bemused stickup.
"Oh no, I never realised. I simply could not be arse to type the whole word, i never realised it would cause offense." - pleaded stickup
"Oh no, dear boy. They'll never believe you now. You're done for, dear chap!" - chortled kwame.
the reason i take offence is because Africans esp continentals have told me its a diss a derogatory term end of.
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Posted: Thursday May 4th, 2006 22:51 |
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i did not know jamo was an offensive term. isnt it an abbreviation of jamaican? i've heard nigerians use it before.
but i also hear them call themselves naija which i thought was short for nigerian.
i know some nigerians and other africans do have derogatory terms for caribbean people but did not know jamo was one of these.
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Posted: Thursday May 4th, 2006 22:58 |
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LadyDay wrote: stick-upKid wrote: "Apparently its quite offensive you know" said kwame
"Good god. Is it?" - puzzled stickup
"Why, yes. You see Jamaica...shortened to Jama, Jamo or any other derivative is simply offensive and can leave Jamaicans sleepless for days on end--apparently" informed kwame to the bemused stickup.
"Oh no, I never realised. I simply could not be arse to type the whole word, i never realised it would cause offense." - pleaded stickup
"Oh no, dear boy. They'll never believe you now. You're done for, dear chap!" - chortled kwame.
the reason i take offence is because Africans esp continentals have told me its a diss a derogatory term end of.
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Listen LD. I'm not a hateful person. I don't hold grudges and I don't subscribe to all this Africa vs Jamaica crap. Lets just forget the whole thing.
***extends hand in gesture of peace****
i'm cool if you are.
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Posted: Thursday May 4th, 2006 22:59 |
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bubz wrote: i did not know jamo was an offensive term. isnt it an abbreviation of jamaican? i've heard nigerians use it before.
but i also hear them call themselves naija which i thought was short for nigerian.
i know some nigerians and other africans do have derogatory terms for caribbean people but did not know jamo was one of these.
Well now you know....
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Posted: Thursday May 4th, 2006 23:07 |
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LadyDay wrote
i laughed at the irony
child your thread opened with rascism, so you are in no position to complain at all (this is said as me not as a mod)
there is a right way of doing things and a wrong way
yu could have simply asked .... are african names becoming popular amongst west indians or in the future will african names be more popular amongst disaporeans compared to present trends
i still think your a damn cheek and have nerve
if you want me to explain my dislike i will be more than happy to
BP's comment was no more racist than other comments made here about West Indians and especially AAs on other threads that are completely ignored.
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Posted: Thursday May 4th, 2006 23:07 |
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Miss Nellia wrote: bubz wrote: i did not know jamo was an offensive term. isnt it an abbreviation of jamaican? i've heard nigerians use it before.
but i also hear them call themselves naija which i thought was short for nigerian.
i know some nigerians and other africans do have derogatory terms for caribbean people but did not know jamo was one of these.
Well now you know....
still not convinced it is. i'll do my own research..if i listened to everything i heard i would probly think 'yardie' is an offensive term. some people would say it is but i happen to know the true meaning.
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Posted: Thursday May 4th, 2006 23:16 |
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bubz wrote: Miss Nellia wrote: bubz wrote: i did not know jamo was an offensive term. isnt it an abbreviation of jamaican? i've heard nigerians use it before.
but i also hear them call themselves naija which i thought was short for nigerian.
i know some nigerians and other africans do have derogatory terms for caribbean people but did not know jamo was one of these.
Well now you know....
still not convinced it is. i'll do my own research..if i listened to everything i heard i would probly think 'yardie' is an offensive term. some people would say it is but i happen to know the true meaning.
Good idea.... my research revealed that it is used as a derogatory term, but I have had some people especially Nigerian friends deny that.. so some West Indians may find it offensive.. as for the yardie thing... I know some Jamaican that find it offensive. Not all but some.... some people find sayin "wassup my n*gg*" offensive others don't....
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Posted: Thursday May 4th, 2006 23:42 |
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Kunjufu wrote: Le Moor & Bubz: Ok, thank you for making clear what you thought our inconsistencies were....appreciated.
Before I respond on a point by point basis..It needs to be said that I really do not think some of you fully appreciate just how difficult it is make judgement calls on a forum that is both very fluid and at times a volitle mix of personalities.
I know that I have said this in the pass, time and time again Moderating BNV is not an exact science it cannot be an exact science and it will never be an exact science... Because BNV is about people/society this is by it very nature is fluid.. It would be a bit like EXPECTING football referee's to get the off side criteria consistent across all premiership and championship leagues it will never happen!!.. It can't happen because the element of human involvement will always creating 'inconsistencies'.
Final point on this issue, given the wide range of personalities here on BNV, it is impossible to chart a consistent line on application of the guidelines....That is why I called them guidelines and NOT rules..there were meant to guide, as a starting point...not meant to be applied rigidly as some here expect.. which btw when we do I get called dictator and when we don't we then label inconsistent, come on now!!
However back to the point in hand...I saw and read Hat comments.. I saw and read peoples responses to his comments.. I personally saw the call to remove it.. I decided that wasn't called for BECAUSE it had been commented upon already, it had been addressed by the membership as it SHOULD BE, and Hat's comments were been overwhelmingly discredited as the foolish thoughts they were...
It is not in every instance that we REMOVE comments here even if they are offensive, YES it does cause arguement even among the Moderation team, but my personal arguement would be that Hat silly comments sparked a good reflective debate on an important issue, that most I suspect would have learnt a great deal from...
Moving on BB, has no Ethos, the Ethos are a general ethos we all sign up to by using BNV.. Further in defence of BB, if we commented on every offensive comments here on BNV..we would be up all night all week.. I do not comment on every clearly offensive post.. There are many times I hold back and allow others to voice what I would have said.. That is a legitimate and positive way in my view to Moderate...
What BB did from what I saw was to consistently attempt to manage the topic on a difficult and volitile subject, without trying to be over interfering..You might not like how she did it.. but come on now you try and intervene between two waring people, how difficult is that? Now multiple that by 4, 10 etc its not easy.. I thought BB did a good job encouraging the debate in the right direction..
Btw it is also unfair to say she pulled out the 'Ethos' card..what she did was to REMIND people about the PURPOSE of the THREAD..not our ETHOS..the purpose was set by the author not us, therefore Bb was supporting the authors views not BNV, you can see she made not direct reference to the ethos..
But let it not appear that I'm fudging the issue here..I am saying that there is not EXPECTATION that the Mods GET it RIGHT all the time...thats unreasonable.. There is no EXPECTATION that the Mods can treat everyone the same...impossible!"!
I personally admit I do not treat everyone the same here and i never will.. for example I do give African (black) long term posters a bit more license BECAUSE of their previous input.. I always take these posts behaviour in its entirity into account and not just the one post presented before me..FACT!!
I don't do the same for Posters of other cultures, I don't do the same for posters who are new, and I decide on each issue when it is BROUGHT to my attention on a merit by merit basis only as does all the other Mods..
Please also remember that the mod team is as diverse as the people on this board..so please do not EXPECT us all to behave the same..we can't because we are different people THAT is why they were CHOSEN..
Ps; to Stick up...We will never vote members onto the panel of the Moderation team to risky...sorry..
Thanks for to constructive criticism, don't mind the comments but i would ask for some balance for the team who work very hard to keep BNv for you and they do so volunterily..
Respect and good response Kunj,
You should be called MP Houdini.........as that was one slick arse political response boy...
Just kidding but in all seriousness Hat's post was damm stuuupid and i guess thats what this was all about....I do appreciate the difficulty in moderating as well and for what its worth 95% of the time i agree with wa gwarn.
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According to the person who started the thread:
"... Now i'm not bashing west indians, but they seem to be the worst culprits for this--their names are soooo english! Just str8 up boring english names trevor, george, andrew etc..."
The current Jamaican u-19, u-15 and national cricket teams and their support staff can be found here.
I found a Tamar, a Kadija, a Danza, an Odean, a Nikita, a Nickoy, a Ziggy, a Zeniffe, an Omar, a Jomo, an Ishmael, and an Nkrumah.
What are the most common names given to African children by "West Indians" according to any actual evidence that the person who started the thread has compiled?
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MarcusGarveyLives wrote: According to the person who started the thread:
"... Now i'm not bashing west indians, but they seem to be the worst culprits for this--their names are soooo english! Just str8 up boring english names trevor, george, andrew etc..."
The current Jamaican u-19, u-15 and national cricket teams and their support staff can be found here.
I found a Tamar, a Kadija, a Danza, an Odean, a Nikita, a Nickoy, a Ziggy, a Zeniffe, an Omar, a Jomo, an Ishmael, and an Nkrumah.
What are the most common names given to African children by "West Indians" according to any actual evidence that the person who started the thread has compiled?
No one can argue this point,
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Posted: Friday May 5th, 2006 06:27 |
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BlackBeauty wrote: I really don't see what's funny.
How can you be stating something is disrespecful, whilst being disrespectful in the same breath?
***And just to remind you all this thread isn't about creating a further divide between continental and disaporian born Africans. It is about exploring the issues that exist for both. Anymore unnecessary and derogratory comments will be removed.
notice I said SOME FOLK... I still stand by my words.... the "blacker than thou" crown cant touch me...
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MarcusGarveyLives wrote: According to the person who started the thread:
"... Now i'm not bashing west indians, but they seem to be the worst culprits for this--their names are soooo english! Just str8 up boring english names trevor, george, andrew etc..."
The current Jamaican u-19, u-15 and national cricket teams and their support staff can be found here.
I found a Tamar, a Kadija, a Danza, an Odean, a Nikita, a Nickoy, a Ziggy, a Zeniffe, an Omar, a Jomo, an Ishmael, and an Nkrumah.
What are the most common names given to African children by "West Indians" according to any actual evidence that the person who started the thread has compiled?
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well done MGL, your contribution to this place really does come along in leaps and bounds
when you learn to develop some comment of your own rather than quoting random B-u-llSh-i-t all the time then come and contribute
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Posted: Friday May 5th, 2006 10:04 |
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