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Posted: Tuesday May 2nd, 2006 14:26 |
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Sorry stick up, I think I must have accidently edited your post.
Apologies. I will try and correct the error...............
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Posted: Tuesday May 2nd, 2006 18:07 |
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To those who suggested this thread be closed. I would argue that it stay open-as long as comments don't go too far. It is important that we have discussions like this one, so we can see the varying opinions/arguments.
Also, for people like the author to actually get a better understanding that yes it is important that we as a people have names that reflect where we came from, but it isn't not a simple process for the majority of us.
No point in having a strong African name, if your mind is still caught up in/with the European hype.
*My sister hasn't changed her Western name, but she has given my neice a name from the continent and that is what I plan to do.
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Posted: Tuesday May 2nd, 2006 22:58 |
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I hear you Miss Nellia, but what gets me is, even when people when people on here where disrespecting AA's the mods stepped in and put a stop to it. Why is it exceptable on BNV to blantently disrespect West Indians?
Man, everybody gets disrespected up in this joint. Nobody gets disrespected more than African Muslims though. People have a tendency on this forum to disrespect anything they do not understand and I admit that I have been guilty of this myself (as have most members at some point). I dont think this is the way forward. People need to start embracing the diversity of Africans be they continental, Caribbean or African Americans. We have different cultures, names and religions. But that does not make any of us less African. Its in our nature to seek division rather than unity. Its also in our nature to condemn anything that we do not understand. But we have to do something about this and I see that it is a growing problem on this board!
What I I've just read has implied non-blacks who dominate the northern part of Africa are not African but Arab, I also suppose this extends to the Somali/Eriterian/Ethiopian population in the East who are of mixed black and Arabic heritage and have and strong Islamic beliefs.
Therefore I guess "true" and "pure" Africans are only from the South and West of Africa, are black and not Islamic.
You must've spent your entire life living under a rock or something. Read a little and educate yourself for goodness sake... whats wrong with you?
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Posted: Wednesday May 3rd, 2006 13:01 |
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Am sorry guys, but I really think the person who started this thread is sad...
If the person did'nt know but the west Indies/Caribbean was colonised by europeans...duh and still today west indians/caribbeans still use names which have a dierct link with england, its not a matter of avoiding african names its all about what they are used too. I think the original poster who came on here to bash caribbean culture is stupid, so what if we don't use african names is it a crime? These days more and more caribbeans, two islands am thinking of, create mad crazy names that only African Americans could be proud of.
Whats wrong with naming you're child Peter? Paris? Kwame? Aysha? Abu? Julie? Beverly? Nothing because they are only names, what makes the name special is the love that particular name is derived from and given. dosent matter if it a european name, a made up name or a chinese name, it is the person that counts.
The name a mother and father chooses to give to their child is their choice, thats whats makes the human race so diverse...
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Posted: Wednesday May 3rd, 2006 18:05 |
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What I I've just read has implied non-blacks who dominate the northern part of Africa are not African but Arab, I also suppose this extends to the Somali/Eriterian/Ethiopian population in the East who are of mixed black and Arabic heritage and have and strong Islamic beliefs.
Therefore I guess "true" and "pure" Africans are only from the South and West of Africa, are black and not Islamic.
You must've spent your entire life living under a rock or something. Read a little and educate yourself for goodness sake... whats wrong with you?
Are you serious ... what are you talking about ....because the person that lived under a rock is YOU!
First of all in my post you not only quoted but edited, is an example of me being sarcastic. Because there are some very narrow minded individuals on here!
I am very educated I have travelled across Northern, Western and Central Africa and appreciate the diversity of the continent.
My whole point throughout this thread has been that if you are referring to an African names...you have to embrace the whole of Africa...not just places dominated by black christian Africans!
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Posted: Wednesday May 3rd, 2006 19:48 |
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As far as i am concerned African-Caribbeans are not the problem.
what we have here with the original poster and his supporters is a case of pot calling kettle
The majority of Africans I know do not use their African name at all, their children are given the most victorian shakespearian name you can imagine.
So change must begin somewhere...Africa
Africa/Africans need to set the example and the rest will follow.
I do not see why people have issues with caribbean/west indian people always an issue
i wonder how this thread would be if the title was
"why do africans give their children european names and never use their African name...why are they ashamed"
pot calling kettle to ras!!!!!!!
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Posted: Wednesday May 3rd, 2006 22:10 |
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LadyDay wrote: As far as i am concerned African-Caribbeans are not the problem.
what we have here with the original poster and his supporters is a case of pot calling kettle
The majority of Africans I know do not use their African name at all, their children are given the most victorian shakespearian name you can imagine.
So change must begin somewhere...Africa
Africa/Africans need to set the example and the rest will follow.
I do not see why people have issues with caribbean/west indian people always an issue
i wonder how this thread would be if the title was
"why do africans give their children european names and never use their African name...why are they ashamed"
pot calling kettle to ras!!!!!!!
You obviously dont know many Africans.
Africans have African names which have wonderful meaning and history.
In addition to their African name, we also have Christian or European names, which is part of embracing the culture you live in.
We are people with wonderful culture and history and that is reflected or embodied in our names.
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Posted: Wednesday May 3rd, 2006 22:13 |
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Posted: Wednesday May 3rd, 2006 22:18 |
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Lady Aleisha wrote: are we talking first names or last names?
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Jeez Aleeshaah! Use your imagination and contribute already.
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Posted: Wednesday May 3rd, 2006 22:20 |
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stylishsista wrote: LadyDay wrote: As far as i am concerned African-Caribbeans are not the problem.
what we have here with the original poster and his supporters is a case of pot calling kettle
The majority of Africans I know do not use their African name at all, their children are given the most victorian shakespearian name you can imagine.
So change must begin somewhere...Africa
Africa/Africans need to set the example and the rest will follow.
I do not see why people have issues with caribbean/west indian people always an issue
i wonder how this thread would be if the title was
"why do africans give their children european names and never use their African name...why are they ashamed"
pot calling kettle to ras!!!!!!!
You obviously dont know many Africans.
Africans have African names which have wonderful meaning and history.
In addition to their African name, we also have Christian or European names, which is part of embracing the culture you live in.
We are people with wonderful culture and history and that is reflected or embodied in our names.
you have proven my point and issue i have wit h the original poster.
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Posted: Wednesday May 3rd, 2006 22:21 |
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stick-upKid wrote: Lady Aleisha wrote: are we talking first names or last names?
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Jeez Aleeshaah! Use your imagination and contribute already.
you could have just answered my question
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Posted: Wednesday May 3rd, 2006 22:28 |
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Lady Aleisha wrote: stick-upKid wrote: Lady Aleisha wrote: are we talking first names or last names?
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Jeez Aleeshaah! Use your imagination and contribute already.
you could have just answered my question
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I'm actually curious to hear your contribution, Aleeshah.
Take your pick, it could be first, last or both names.
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Posted: Wednesday May 3rd, 2006 22:34 |
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ok well people who are of caribbean descent have english last names because of the slave trade jones, smith, wright philips etc, most africans dont have english last names, but i think the africans who change their last name from ajekieme, to howell are pathetic, and clearly ashamed of their origin.
as for west indians avoiding afro centric names, well think about the future, when you are applying for a job, if your name is kwame, or something, the interviewer will know your ethnicity before you even have walked through the door, and they will probably throw it in the bin, we are handicapped enough as it is, why handicap ourselves even more.
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Posted: Wednesday May 3rd, 2006 22:43 |
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Lady I have to say I appreciate your honesty. Plus you disagreed with me without -- attacking -- me -- personally.
Amazing stuff here on BNV.
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Posted: Wednesday May 3rd, 2006 22:54 |
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LadyDay wrote:
Africa/Africans need to set the example and the rest will follow.
i wonder how this thread would be if the title was
"why do africans give their children european names and never use their African name...why are they ashamed"
pot calling kettle to ras!!!!!!!
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There is already a topic titled Continental Africans with European/Western and Arabic/Moslem names in this forum that addresses this issue. Click here to see for yourself
http://www.blackchat.co.uk/theblackforum/forum34/18937.html
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Posted: Wednesday May 3rd, 2006 23:29 |
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Lady Aleisha wrote: ok well people who are of caribbean descent have english last names because of the slave trade jones, smith, wright philips etc, most africans dont have english last names, but i think the africans who change their last name from ajekieme, to howell are pathetic, and clearly ashamed of their origin.
as for west indians avoiding afro centric names, well think about the future, when you are applying for a job, if your name is kwame, or something, the interviewer will know your ethnicity before you even have walked through the door, and they will probably throw it in the bin, we are handicapped enough as it is, why handicap ourselves even more.
I don’t see why having an African name would handicap anyone, on most job application forms they have an 'equal opportunities' section where they ask your race and even if someone sent in a CV and got an interview if the employer was racist they still wouldn't get the job. So what you've just said makes no sense.
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Posted: Wednesday May 3rd, 2006 23:39 |
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| Don't what it is about this thread, but the theme song for "Mission Impossible" keeps playing in my head. Lots of emotion in here. I know Caribbean people with African names. Does anyone know what an African name is? What about english sounding names that are actually African? What about Chinese, Indian, South American, and European names that are identical to African names? Iv'e seen white people and Chinese people with identical names as Africans. Interesting how people disagree on the assumption that they may be disagreeing based on the same understanding, when in reality they're not.
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Posted: Thursday May 4th, 2006 15:40 |
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LadyDay wrote: stylishsista wrote: LadyDay wrote: As far as i am concerned African-Caribbeans are not the problem.
what we have here with the original poster and his supporters is a case of pot calling kettle
The majority of Africans I know do not use their African name at all, their children are given the most victorian shakespearian name you can imagine.
So change must begin somewhere...Africa
Africa/Africans need to set the example and the rest will follow.
I do not see why people have issues with caribbean/west indian people always an issue
i wonder how this thread would be if the title was
"why do africans give their children european names and never use their African name...why are they ashamed"
pot calling kettle to ras!!!!!!!
You obviously dont know many Africans.
Africans have African names which have wonderful meaning and history.
In addition to their African name, we also have Christian or European names, which is part of embracing the culture you live in.
We are people with wonderful culture and history and that is reflected or embodied in our names.
you have proven my point and issue i have wit h the original poster.
I totally agree with you.
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Posted: Thursday May 4th, 2006 15:53 |
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gotta co-sign ladyday...
I know plents of africans who europeanise there own name "olu" to "ollie" ect ect... cracks me up...
and yes SOME do give their kids the most out of date english name they can find....I can always spot em on the database at work.... Fredrick...Eric....Cuthbert ect ect..the lit goes on.
but yes people do look at the name on application forms to guage who you are...remeber its not manditory to fill out the equal opps form...
thats why I always post mine in...seen too man get stuck straight in the bin...especally asians...where I work they have an un written rule keeping them out.
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Posted: Thursday May 4th, 2006 16:11 |
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Any African who bears any non-african name is still holding on to the legacy of colonialism and slavery. A True and Pure African (African Man Power!!!) doesnt bear any muslim or christian or non-african name. Using words of another true and pure African man Fela Kuti (R.I.P Anikulapo) in his song "Colonial Mentality":
"Them go proud of them name and put them slave name for head...."
and ends his song with
"Mr. Ransome you make you hear
Mr. Williams you make you hear
Mr. Ali -a you make you hear
Mr. Mohammed you make you hear
Mr. Anglican you make you hear
Mr. Bishop you make you hear
Mr. Catholic you make you hear
Mr. Musulim you make you hear
Na Africa we dey O make you hear
Na Africa we dey O make you hear
Colomentality hear
Colomentality! listen!
Mr. Ransome you make you hear
Na Africa we dey o make you hear this"
Once again, African Man Power!!
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Posted: Thursday May 4th, 2006 17:09 |
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disco_inferno wrote: Any African who bears any non-african name is still holding on to the legacy of colonialism and slavery. A True and Pure African (African Man Power!!!) doesnt bear any muslim or christian or non-african name. Using words of another true and pure African man Fela Kuti (R.I.P Anikulapo) in his song "Colonial Mentality":
"Them go proud of them name and put them slave name for head...."
I think that is unfair to say these things, its stuff like this which make think no I am caribbean because sometimes the the ways of looking at life are completley different...
Proud? Darlin why are you talking about slave masters like it happened yesterday? I feel like Some Africans do not understand Caribbeans/latinos/ South Americans/ A.Americans/west Indains, instead of helping us move on so to speak, you just want to keep degrading our culture like were second class...
How can we still hold on to colonailsim through a name? Don't you know we have evolved out of the slave era? Into our own, however mad, messed up, mixed up they might be, the names are our own, this maybe African, Chiney, European...it don't matter, it does not make us proud of the fact that hundreds and hundreds years ago we the product of slaves, but that is in the past and this is the present...
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Posted: Thursday May 4th, 2006 17:21 |
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somefolk will never be happy unless we change our names back to "kwame" and start walking round with baskets on our heads...
damm no respect.
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Black_power wrote: somefolk will never be happy unless we change our names back to "kwame" and start walking round with baskets on our heads...
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