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Posted: Monday May 1st, 2006 13:14 |
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YankeeJamaRican wrote: Let me ask you something... do you prefer a Susan with an African heart or a Makosi with a European one?
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Posted: Monday May 1st, 2006 14:11 |
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Who you'd prefer and the significance of the name are two different things...I'd prefer Susan with the name Makosi 
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Posted: Monday May 1st, 2006 14:18 |
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| Arabic names don't count as African names, just because Arabs have penetrated much of Africa. It is like saying English, Spanish, and French names are African because so many Africans are living under their influence. Don't make no sense...
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Posted: Monday May 1st, 2006 14:56 |
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YankeeJamaRican wrote: Let me ask you something... do you prefer a Susan with an African heart or a Makosi with a European one?
I wish y'all would stop directing all manner of crap statements against people from the Caribbean- this sh#t is getting old, really fast.
Try as you may to couch the question in niceties, the end result is that there is a stereotype being levied against one segment of the diaspora... again... at the same group.
If you say the average age span here is 22-45... how many of us would have Afri-centric names? How popular was it in the Caribbean in the 60s and 70s?
I also know plenty of African Americans and Continental Africans who are African in name only...
So does consciousness lie in a name?
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Posted: Monday May 1st, 2006 15:00 |
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HatHaruhotep wrote: Many of the West Indians I've met don't even claim to be Black. I always hear some businesss about how they are "mixed" with East Indian and all kind of other nonsense. When you ask them if they've been to India, the answer is always "no". For if they actually had gone to India, they would find out very quickly how "indian" they are. But it makes sense. Black people in the US do the same thing. Ask many of the sisters in the US what they are, and you will hear a whole damn recipe: I'm one quarter Indian (but they mean "Native american", not east indian), 1/8 french, 1/24 Eskimo, half puerto Rican, and 1/50 Irish. That is because many Black people have absolutely no self esteem. They are embarrassed to be Black. They want to identify with the people in power. In the Caribbean, East Indians own businesses like corner stores and vendor stands, and they treat Black people like something they dug out of their ear. But they appear to have things a bit "better" than the Black people, so many West Indians try to identify with them. I think Afrocentric names would identify them as being Black, and that's the problem.
We need to get over this nonsense. I'm sick of being asked if I'm Philipino, Hawaian, etc!! Black people focus on two features: hair and skin color. Heaven forbid you don't have kinky hair or you have a little red in your skin. Black people instantly start trying to splinter you off from the rest of the race. I've even been told by women in the US, "I would love to have a baby by you so they could have that good hair", and "sh*t man, if I had your hair I would tell people I was Philipino", like there is something wrong with being Afrikan. As long as we are ashamed of our people, we will always be slaves. What are the damned Indians that we should prefer being them instead of who we really are? What are the French that we should claim their heritage instead of our own. Black folks done got it twisted!!
100% of WIs I know, will say they are black... take it from me, I have yet to meet a black WI that doesn’t equate BLACK to POWER. So when people like you come up with these statements I have to do a double take and wonder WHAT ON EARTH WEST INDIANS DO YOU PEOPLE MEEEEEET!!!!!!!, you go to places like Dominican republic, Venezuela, Puerto Rico, parts of Cuba and Guyana etc you will find a large proportion of the population is Spanish not black (for e.g), and they don't consider themselves black, go to places like Jamaica, Barbados, Antigua, Trinidad and so on where the vast majority of the population is African you will find many of the proudest black people on this planet. Please go visit and see for yourself then do your survey again.
Stay away from any woman that say to you they would like to have your baby so that the child has pretty hair, this has got to be the dumbest statement to come out of a persons mouth, the sistah has issues and would bring up your child with some major insecurities.
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Posted: Monday May 1st, 2006 15:03 |
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Soulstarr wrote: YankeeJamaRican wrote: Let me ask you something... do you prefer a Susan with an African heart or a Makosi with a European one?
I wish y'all would stop directing all manner of crap statements against people from the Caribbean- this sh#t is getting old, really fast.
Try as you may to couch the question in niceties, the end result is that there is a stereotype being levied against one segment of the diaspora... again... at the same group.
If you say the average age span here is 22-45... how many of us would have Afri-centric names? How popular was it in the Caribbean in the 60s and 70s?
I also know plenty of African Americans and Continental Africans who are African in name only...
So does consciousness lie in a name?
Thank you!
I second that. Caribbean people sure get on this forum and it pisses me off.
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Posted: Monday May 1st, 2006 15:26 |
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Miss Nellia wrote: Soulstarr wrote: YankeeJamaRican wrote: Let me ask you something... do you prefer a Susan with an African heart or a Makosi with a European one?
I wish y'all would stop directing all manner of crap statements against people from the Caribbean- this sh#t is getting old, really fast.
Try as you may to couch the question in niceties, the end result is that there is a stereotype being levied against one segment of the diaspora... again... at the same group.
If you say the average age span here is 22-45... how many of us would have Afri-centric names? How popular was it in the Caribbean in the 60s and 70s?
I also know plenty of African Americans and Continental Africans who are African in name only...
So does consciousness lie in a name?
Thank you!
I second that. Caribbean people sure get on this forum and it pisses me off.
I have to agree with both statements above.....we need to stop digging at eachother and try learning or asking about the things we dont understand in one anothers behaviour, in a way in which people dont feel set upon because of the part of the world they are from............
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Posted: Monday May 1st, 2006 15:36 |
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You know, what I don't get is why sooo many people claim to be all about unity and pan africanism and then start topics which are blatantly separating "them from us" 
This seems to be a growing trend on BN and its beyond tedious now. I'm extremelly proud of my carribean background but I'll be damned if someone tells me I dont, or aint got a right to claim africa as my history.
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Posted: Monday May 1st, 2006 15:38 |
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| Who said you cant claim Africa as your history?....everyone knows the ancestors of Carribeans, AA's etc are from Africa...............its common knowledge. Last edited on Monday May 1st, 2006 15:39 by chi
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Posted: Monday May 1st, 2006 15:49 |
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believe me its been said. directly or indirectly and it gets on my last nerve. I know carribeans that are more african than half the continental africans i know. I know africans that have rejected their original African names in favour of their european name. I know carribeans who have grown up with a european name and changed it to an african name when they got older, my family members included.
some people here are so damn fake. don't give a damn about unity etc etc until its time to look halfway intellectual and then its all fist in the air screaming black power. but really and truely, they don't believe half the sh*t they type and it gives those who ARE pro unity a bad name.
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Posted: Monday May 1st, 2006 15:53 |
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HatHaruhotep wrote: Many of the West Indians I've met don't even claim to be Black. Where in the WI are these people from, I grew up in Barbados and I've never heard anyone there deny that they are black.I always hear some businesss about how they are "mixed" with East Indian and all kind of other nonsense. How is that nonsense? West Indians are a mixed race, that is a well known fact, not everyone in the Caribbean is black!When you ask them if they've been to India, the answer is always "no". I really don't understand the point you're making here, i'm African but I have never been to the continent! For if they actually had gone to India, they would find out very quickly how "indian" they are. But it makes sense. Black people in the US do the same thing. Ask many of the sisters in the US what they are, and you will hear a whole damn recipe: I'm one quarter Indian (but they mean "Native american", not east indian), 1/8 french, 1/24 Eskimo, half puerto Rican, and 1/50 Irish. That is because many Black people have absolutely no self esteem. They are embarrassed to be Black. I can't talk for AA's but i'm West Indian and I take offence to your comments, I am in noway embarrassed to be black, neither is my mother, father, grandmother grandfather etc.They want to identify with the people in power. In the Caribbean, East Indians own businesses like corner stores and vendor stands, As I asked before, where in the West Indies are you talking about? In Barbados black people own stores, black people own vendor stands, Indians own vans and sell clothes out of them! and they treat Black people like something they dug out of their ear. But they appear to have things a bit "better" than the Black people, so many West Indians try to identify with them. Complete rubbish! I think Afrocentric names would identify them as being Black, and that's the problem. Alot of parents in Barbados choose names from the bible because people there are very religious, not because they don't want to be identified as black, come on, what is the first thing you see before you even find out someones name???
We need to get over this nonsense. I'm sick of being asked if I'm Philipino, Hawaian, etc!! Black people focus on two features: hair and skin color. Heaven forbid you don't have kinky hair or you have a little red in your skin. Black people instantly start trying to splinter you off from the rest of the race. I've even been told by women in the US, "I would love to have a baby by you so they could have that good hair", and "sh*t man, if I had your hair I would tell people I was Philipino", like there is something wrong with being Afrikan. As long as we are ashamed of our people, we will always be slaves. What are the damned Indians that we should prefer being them instead of who we really are? What are the French that we should claim their heritage instead of our own. Black folks done got it twisted!!
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Posted: Monday May 1st, 2006 15:59 |
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Soulstarr wrote: believe me its been said. directly or indirectly and it gets on my last nerve. I know carribeans that are more african than half the continental africans i know. I know africans that have rejected their original African names in favour of their european name. I know carribeans who have grown up with a european name and changed it to an african name when they got older, my family members included.
some people here are so damn fake. don't give a damn about unity etc etc until its time to look halfway intellectual and then its all fist in the air screaming black power. but really and truely, they don't believe half the sh*t they type and it gives those who ARE pro unity a bad name.
I do agree, I think we continental Africans (and those born from continental Africans) have more work to do in our own camp, even if its a minority (with regards to embracing our culture), before we start quizzing everyone else.......at least others have a more legitinate excuse at least..........
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Posted: Monday May 1st, 2006 16:02 |
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Moderators, how come comments like these are aloud on here, if I was disrespecting any part of Africa I would get a warning or banned, but how come its ok for people to continually disrespect West Indians on BNV?
I had to defend my home country on another thread, being told that my Island is a sell out and all kinds of rubbish, now on this thread West Indians are getting it again how is this fair???
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Posted: Monday May 1st, 2006 16:20 |
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Rastawoman wrote: HatHaruhotep wrote: Many of the West Indians I've met don't even claim to be Black. Where in the WI are these people from, I grew up in Barbados and I've never heard anyone there deny that they are black.I always hear some businesss about how they are "mixed" with East Indian and all kind of other nonsense. How is that nonsense? West Indians are a mixed race, that is a well known fact, not everyone in the Caribbean is black!When you ask them if they've been to India, the answer is always "no". I really don't understand the point you're making here, i'm African but I have never been to the continent! For if they actually had gone to India, they would find out very quickly how "indian" they are. But it makes sense. Black people in the US do the same thing. Ask many of the sisters in the US what they are, and you will hear a whole damn recipe: I'm one quarter Indian (but they mean "Native american", not east indian), 1/8 french, 1/24 Eskimo, half puerto Rican, and 1/50 Irish. That is because many Black people have absolutely no self esteem. They are embarrassed to be Black. I can't talk for AA's but i'm West Indian and I take offence to your comments, I am in noway embarrassed to be black, neither is my mother, father, grandmother grandfather etc.They want to identify with the people in power. In the Caribbean, East Indians own businesses like corner stores and vendor stands, As I asked before, where in the West Indies are you talking about? In Barbados black people own stores, black people own vendor stands, Indians own vans and sell clothes out of them! and they treat Black people like something they dug out of their ear. But they appear to have things a bit "better" than the Black people, so many West Indians try to identify with them. Complete rubbish! I think Afrocentric names would identify them as being Black, and that's the problem. Alot of parents in Barbados choose names from the bible because people there are very religious, not because they don't want to be identified as black, come on, what is the first thing you see before you even find out someones name???
We need to get over this nonsense. I'm sick of being asked if I'm Philipino, Hawaian, etc!! Black people focus on two features: hair and skin color. Heaven forbid you don't have kinky hair or you have a little red in your skin. Black people instantly start trying to splinter you off from the rest of the race. I've even been told by women in the US, "I would love to have a baby by you so they could have that good hair", and "sh*t man, if I had your hair I would tell people I was Philipino", like there is something wrong with being Afrikan. As long as we are ashamed of our people, we will always be slaves. What are the damned Indians that we should prefer being them instead of who we really are? What are the French that we should claim their heritage instead of our own. Black folks done got it twisted!!
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What gets me is when these fake ass people profess all manor of lies in an attempt to discredit us, a few weeks ago it was hunting season for AAs, now it is hunting season for WIs, yet I have yet to see a WI start up a thread dissing the Continental Africans. Then I spend my time trying to talk of unity, maybe Kunjufu is right, unity is not a priority. ***feel like cussing two bad words up in ere*** KMT
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What gets me is when these fake ass people profess all manor of lies in an attempt to discredit us, a few weeks ago it was hunting season for AAs, now it is hunting season for WIs, yet I have yet to see a WI start up a thread dissing the Continental Africans. Then I spend my time trying to talk of unity, maybe Kunjufu is right, unity is not a priority. ***feel like cussing two bad words up in ere*** KMT
I hear you Miss Nellia, but what gets me is, even when people when people on here where disrespecting AA's the mods stepped in and put a stop to it. Why is it exceptable on BNV to blantently disrespect West Indians?
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Posted: Monday May 1st, 2006 16:51 |
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chi wrote: I do agree, I think we continental Africans (and those born from continental Africans) have more work to do in our own camp, even if its a minority (with regards to embracing our culture), before we start quizzing everyone else.......at least others have a more legitinate excuse at least..........
Respect, Chi... we ALL have work to do, from down in our local communities up to the glabal community... but this pecking at each other has got to stop.
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Posted: Monday May 1st, 2006 17:05 |
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HatHaruhotep wrote: Many of the West Indians I've met don't even claim to be Black. I always hear some businesss about how they are "mixed" with East Indian and all kind of other nonsense. When you ask them if they've been to India, the answer is always "no". For if they actually had gone to India, they would find out very quickly how "indian" they are. But it makes sense. Black people in the US do the same thing. Ask many of the sisters in the US what they are, and you will hear a whole damn recipe: I'm one quarter Indian (but they mean "Native american", not east indian), 1/8 french, 1/24 Eskimo, half puerto Rican, and 1/50 Irish. That is because many Black people have absolutely no self esteem. They are embarrassed to be Black. They want to identify with the people in power. In the Caribbean, East Indians own businesses like corner stores and vendor stands, and they treat Black people like something they dug out of their ear. But they appear to have things a bit "better" than the Black people, so many West Indians try to identify with them. I think Afrocentric names would identify them as being Black, and that's the problem.
We need to get over this nonsense. I'm sick of being asked if I'm Philipino, Hawaian, etc!! Black people focus on two features: hair and skin color. Heaven forbid you don't have kinky hair or you have a little red in your skin. Black people instantly start trying to splinter you off from the rest of the race. I've even been told by women in the US, "I would love to have a baby by you so they could have that good hair", and "sh*t man, if I had your hair I would tell people I was Philipino", like there is something wrong with being Afrikan. As long as we are ashamed of our people, we will always be slaves. What are the damned Indians that we should prefer being them instead of who we really are? What are the French that we should claim their heritage instead of our own. Black folks done got it twisted!!
I used to think you had sense.......
@ Rastawoman...dont worry yourself girl you have done yourself and our people proud with your response.
Sad that i have to use the words "our people" but with posts such as the one above we instantly become segregated and make no mistake i dont business about that either.
It will be interesting to see how the moderaters deal with your complaint Ras.
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Posted: Monday May 1st, 2006 17:11 |
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Miss Nellia wrote: Soulstarr wrote: YankeeJamaRican wrote: Let me ask you something... do you prefer a Susan with an African heart or a Makosi with a European one?
I wish y'all would stop directing all manner of crap statements against people from the Caribbean- this sh#t is getting old, really fast.
Try as you may to couch the question in niceties, the end result is that there is a stereotype being levied against one segment of the diaspora... again... at the same group.
If you say the average age span here is 22-45... how many of us would have Afri-centric names? How popular was it in the Caribbean in the 60s and 70s?
I also know plenty of African Americans and Continental Africans who are African in name only...
So does consciousness lie in a name?
Thank you!
I second that. Caribbean people sure get on this forum and it pisses me off.
thank youwell said
i know many africans who have african names yet they use the english ones. one girl i asked why and she said she couldnt be bothered to tell people how to say her name correctly.
Africans have a lot to answer for in regards to africans not using african names
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Posted: Monday May 1st, 2006 17:21 |
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I can see why everyone is pissed off, perhaps a more legitimate question should/would be whether us young Africans(Continental and Diaspora) will not follow in our parents' footstep and be done with European names once and for all.
This issue should be FIRST rectafied in the Continental Africans' community....because as Chi said, we have NO excuse or business calling oursleves with European names. However, for the Diaspora Africans, their African names were TAKEN away from them....so nocking them off whilsts we the people who's names were never forcibly taken are still parading ourselves in our so called "Christian, Muslim" names....soon enough there is gone be black people walking around with Asian names because they are Biddhists...
YankeeJamaRican, sis it DOES matter what one calls themselves in OUR predicament. It doesn't make sense to say that a Susan can be more Afrocentric than a Makosi(i find the use of Makosi here a little well out of line because of what that woman did, if its not your intentions, i apologise)
I don't see any other race on earth not caring much what they call their childrens so long as their children know themselves. Names connect a people, it connect one to not just their history, but it does bring a sense of belonging thats important. As i said before, i am not in anyway agreeing with the tone of this thread, but it still does not mean that in our moment of anger(which i completely understand because i did not like the thread from the begining, thats why i kept away from it to start off with) we should go all out and just sayd sod it, i doens't matter what we are called.
If names was not that important, Europeans and Arabs wouldn't have been so quick to forcibly take it away from us the moment we came into contact with them. It has power....thats why it was one of the first thing the oppressors took away, it disconnected us from our land and finally as a people.....although thank God they have not succeeded as they thought they would.
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Posted: Monday May 1st, 2006 17:21 |
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Does conciousness lie in a name? Does having children born in wed-lock or christened mean they will come out any better or worse than those not? Not necessarily but if yu don't stand for something yo fall for anything. Even the most cultured society has it flaws and its delinquents - but it has its culture, its spine, its backbone.
If it is a question of consciousness then the original question is why afro-centric names are avoided - meaning (in it's extreme) that a conscious decision has been made not to choose one let alone consider one.
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