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Posted: Tuesday September 20th, 2005 08:53 |
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Waterford promotions/BBC presents the First kids Dancehall Competition.
The event will be broadcast live on BBC wm 95.6 and protmore cable television.{whoever they are}
Other sponsors include Roots [celebrating African Asian Caribbean & Chinese arts and culture]
Arts Council England
Street Cred
Selected Charity is the Midlands Sicklecell and Thalasemia Society...I am not certain because the flyer doesn't make this clear but I am assuming some of the money will be donated to them.
According to the flyer contestants should be able to dance the latest moves and create their own dance moves throughout the 6 rounds of the competition.
For further information contact: {and to send your complaints}
email Waterford@fsmail.net
Call: 07940 399 073
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Posted: Tuesday September 20th, 2005 12:55 |
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I found the above flyer on Sat in a 'foodshop' Amongst the hundreds of flyers of halfclad women in provocative poses it seemed to draw my attention...more because of its colour/font.
I read it in disgust and when the guy returned with my order I told him he should bin them. While he wrapped my food he banged on with me about how negative this idea was...nooding when I ranted on. I left the shop determined to put in complaints to the BBC, Arts Council first thing Monday.
Do you know the damn hypocrite [you know who you are] is advertised as being one of the outlets you can by tickets for the event from.
I was busy most of yesterday so didn't get chance to phone around.
I have done so this afternoon. First finally found the right person to speak to at BBC WM a Ms Wilkes. I left a message and she returned the call.
She claimed that although they had previously worked with the promoters Waterford. 'they were not currently involved with them' and not on this project, she mentioned something about them being naughty using the BBC logo.
She said she had talked to the promoter and told him about my concerns. She gave me his phone number. But when I asked for his name she made me laugh..."they call him Mr T".
So I phoned Mr T I have to say at this point the second number I phoned was the promoters number on the flyer, I got the answering machine, it went something like..." Yo, leave a message"
Anyway Mr T
What can I say, the man left me laughing.
I talked about the negative effects of this sh*t and he defended his involvement.
He feels that black people are not represented for the talents they have and he his going to film it to show that we do have talents...bla bla
Show talented children with their parents full support.
He claimed to be involved in the media and by the end I was begining to wonder if he was training for a career in goverment pollitricks
Anyway at some point he said he wanted to get me in front of the camera to discuss what his wrong with the idea [all offers welcome]
Oh and he claimed that the reason they were illegally using the BBC logo was because his partner hadn't crossed all the 'I's and dotted the 'T'
I am unable to access Ligalli site [my gremlins] could someone ask Toyin to contact me, I need some advice.
Oh and before the moderators get anal on me...I got Mr T's permission to discuss our conversation on the net...I didn't mention it to the bbc though so you can edit that part if you want.
Mr T's contact number can be supplied on request via PM
For anyone who wishes to take up his challenge to me to bring people who disagree that this 'talent contest' is a positive for the black community.
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Posted: Tuesday September 20th, 2005 13:10 |
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Posted: Tuesday September 20th, 2005 14:44 |
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Im dreading to think what these lil girl will be wearing!
How can any parent let there child in a competition like this
dancing at your parents family bash is one thing but for 7-12 years olds competing to see who can do a headstand while shkaing the booty the longest makes me feel a lil ill
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Posted: Tuesday September 20th, 2005 17:21 |
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@UniqueLady
YOu hit it straight on the head if the parents were not so damn stupid and senseless to let their children participate in such a competition it couldn't happen in the first place.
@Tahliba
When I first read this title I was outraged immediately but then I just zoomed in the the age and thought to myself the parents will be escorting and encouraging their children to take part in this competition. I can literally see it now mothers practising in the living room right now schooling their innocent children on the latest nasty dancehall moves.
I would be interested to know if the guy you spoke to said he thought of the idea or was encouraged to do this type of competition from demand, because I noticed he said parents full permission.
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Posted: Tuesday September 20th, 2005 18:45 |
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Sorry but i have to beg to differ.
We dont know all the facts. Older ragga is normally associated wit stands / whining up etc, but noawadys the dances are hardly sexual at all (unless you choose to dance that way)
Row the boat
Helicopter
Pon de river
and the other million and one dances out now and real simple moves that are not sexual, why cant the kids be doing this.
I know black people are always showcased for dancing / sports etc, but a lot of these younger kids can dance REALLY well. I will be the first to cuss when i see a little girl dancing like she is having sex, but i have young cousins that are wicked dancers and they would not dream of dancing sexually, they're just keeping up with the 'trends' and latest moves.
If this was a ballet / tap / street dance competition, nobody would think anything of it, so why should dancehall automatically get the thumbs down when a lot of songs are jolly, feel good, tunes??
As a child i was always involved in dance for soca / ragga / hip hop etc. And i had a great time and it wasnt about that.
I doubt they would be putting on Bounty Killer / slack tunes. Or give a prize to the 7 year old that can bumflick the best. So lets find out what is what before we start, becasue there is nothing degrading in dancing alone, it is how you do it.
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Posted: Tuesday September 20th, 2005 19:12 |
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iyallah makes a good point.
dancehall dances arent sexual. you can get some sexual dances but the latest and hippest moves that get the crowd arent sexual
i was watching a passa passa dvd. and here are some of the dances....ABC, Bluetooth, mr wacky, wacky dip, wacky bounce (wacky aka bogle....sean paul does the mr wacky in his we be burnin video)...build the house..mix the cement...fill the wheel barrow...the flood. (hurricane) ivan...out and bad etc .
if they keep it the dances that are simply fun as mentioned then no problem
i know what dancehall queen images create but for kids you dont allow them to go there
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Posted: Tuesday September 20th, 2005 19:28 |
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Update
I left the conversation with Mr T telling him I would get back to him while I checked out the legalities of film these kids...turns out as long as they advertise the fact and parents are willing it breaks no legal requirements.
Not long after posting here this afternoon I recieved a call from the person who number is on the flyer [I'd left a message].
Apparently also part of Waterford promotions.
Less articulate then Mr T this guy also tried to justify this promotion...apparently they have run several of these competitions for adults.
He doesn't see anything wrong with doing it for children [apparently it as been done in London] and the boys competition as or is being run]
While I was on the phone with him on one phone I recieved a call from the Arts Council, apparently they are not involved either,[but I knew this] infact they don't fund or sponsor competitions.
As for the sicklecell charity they have donated to them in the past and have been given permission from the two women that run the office on Rookery Rd to use the charities logo.
I was assured that they will recieve some form of donation. However my man made a big deal about not making any money from this gig...apparently it's cost him £1,000 for the flyers and several thousands for the hire of the banquating suite.
This guy[apparently his names Tony also] insist that it is a talent show to showcase the talents of black youths. He can see that on some levels I have a point, but what he is trying to do is show dancehall in a good light.
He offered to send me a recording of previous shows to prove that it is all good fun. He pointed out on several occassions how at previous shows some of the 'bad man' have been present and there was no trouble, 'they all laughed and had a good time'.
On the subject of how the children would dress he pointed out gymnastics and ballet dancers and their attire. But also assured me that the children wouldn't be dressed bad...I did ask how he could possibly assure that? His answer because they are not those type of parents to let that happen, or something to that effect.
He talked about 'dancehall' recieving a lot of negative press (due to other promoters) and that it is not negative. He claims it is a part of caribbean culture and talked about us losing it.
He claims there will be no slackness lyrics music or dance moves.
Basically the conversation went around in circles me arguing against and him justifying
It did end with him suggesting that if I went out for a drink with him he would pull the plug on it. Or was that if he pulled the plug on it would I go out for a drink. LOL! And doesn't that speak volumes?
Basically what he is saying is it is now going to be a 'talent contest' he will put this in the radio adverts but can't do nothing about the flyers [reminding me how much he paid for them]
I walk past the sicklecell organisation office everyday so will try and get in there through the week and ask them about their logo being used, to give the impression that the money is going to them.
@ Mafdet
No what he was saying is that he wanted to show how these children had the support of their parents.
They really don't see anything wrong with what they are doing. Infact they both think their intentions are noble. As one of them said they are doing something for the community.
The second Tony at one point even argued that for everyone I could bring to say this was wrong he could bring two to say it wasn't.
@Kunjufu
It ain't a joke but they both made me laugh out loud with their justifications.
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Posted: Tuesday September 20th, 2005 19:58 |
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So Iyallah and Ladyday you agree with Mr T and collegue, it is harmless fun. These kids are really good dancers and should have a means to showcase their talents?
Well it seems my man was right for everyone person I can point to that disagrees with the idea there really are two out their who think it is harmless.
My daughter picked up the flyer (she's eight) and asked what dancehall was? Is she missing out on the latest trends?
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Posted: Tuesday September 20th, 2005 20:01 |
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A word of caution here..while most sane, reasonable people may feel disguted by this new ugly development, we must remember that dancehall is an important part of jamaican culture, and as such in this diverse/multi ethnic/tolerant society (that rationalises sodomy, lesbianism and same sex parents ) we must be sensitive to these odd cultural ways - no matter how obscene we feel they are (from our own cultural/ or a better educated standpoint).
OK...there is no fkking wey we could excuse this bumberclaat rassness. I say lets chop the parents promoters and all these mingy b**tards..whatdafckk?????????
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Posted: Tuesday September 20th, 2005 20:20 |
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| I sent Mr Promoter a very nice email asking him very nicely i might add to explain what this competition involves? lyrics, clothing, type of dance etc. Let's see if he bothers to reply.
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Posted: Tuesday September 20th, 2005 20:24 |
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I recently went to the Butlins resort in Bognor Regis over bank holiday weekend gone..whilst there it was invaded by yardies..I'm sorry but that's only way I can describe people I saw that stuck out like sore thumbs, hair, gold, bright clothes..anyway .. there were there for the day and had a all dayer dance in one of the halls..we were told we could come along.. not even 20 mins into it.. they had a kids dancin competion to current ragga.. 5 young girls ranging from 3-10 yrs old.. 2 girls knew all the current moves, what recieved the most applause was the whining, moves that involved grinding, doing very suggestive moves to the floor..these kids were under the age of 10! and dancing like adults..whether or not the kids are aware it, they IMITATE adults.. myself and friend were appalled, after that they was no point in hanging around! we quick skidaddled with our 7 yr old boys lest we see more than we needed to!!!.. so no..I don't agree with a dancehall competition for children..it's just plain wrong..
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Posted: Tuesday September 20th, 2005 20:34 |
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eskay wrote: I recently went to the Butlins resort in Bognor Regis over bank holiday weekend gone..whilst there it was invaded by yardies..I'm sorry but that's only way I can describe people I saw that stuck out like sore thumbs, hair, gold, bright clothes..anyway .. there were there for the day and had a all dayer dance in one of the halls..we were told we could come along.. not even 20 mins into it.. they had a kids dancin competion to current ragga.. 5 young girls ranging from 3-10 yrs old.. 2 girls knew all the current moves, what recieved the most applause was the whining, moves that involved grinding, doing very suggestive moves to the floor..these kids were under the age of 10! and dancing like adults..whether or not the kids are aware it, they IMITATE adults.. myself and friend were appalled, after that they was no point in hanging around! we quick skidaddled with our 7 yr old boys lest we see more than we needed to!!!.. so no..I don't agree with a dancehall competition for children..it's just plain wrong..
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Posted: Tuesday September 20th, 2005 22:01 |
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Eee Hee!! @ huzzah. It's a shame becos Butlins surprised me..I never seen so much black people/families in one place acting happy, decent, relaxed etc. Our highlight of weekend was an african group of acrobats, who apparantly also dance for african groups, saw them fling up themselves in air three different times...then come sunday .. that debacle from our 'black people' tainted whole weekend..come like we don't know how to behave, and take all our tom foolery where-ever we go.. I know dancehallis a big part of carribean culture..but our kids today..don't need to be encouraged to 'act' unchildlike! and yeh..plenty of people filming ..me included..cos no-one my end would believe what I saw that day!
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Posted: Tuesday September 20th, 2005 22:07 |
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Dancing is...a vertical representation of a horizontal intention!
It doesnt matter what name you slap on it. 
This competition is akin to those beauty pageants they have in the States where they over-sexualize young children . I think its depressing and slack.
Let them enjoy their relative innocence and youth whilst they can,they will have far more years of adulthood than childhood.
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Posted: Wednesday September 21st, 2005 00:52 |
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Been down this road before...even in 'thee' days when dancehall dances were considered slack - the most amazing thing is the parents (usually the mothers) defending it and saying there's nothing wrong with it. Again because we are individual with no community we don't see the wider impact and get exploited - as long as one N****r gets paid it must be a good thing 
@Iyallah
Being media driven we all know that sex sells...would you like a bet as to whether some sexually suggestive wining will take place or not? Indeed even if the BBC showed five minutes of sexually insinuating stuf in a half-hour long programme then it's mission accomplished!
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Hope you're kriss Princess. This stuff has to pass through Ligali. Until we get a balanced representation of our children layed out for the world to see, we got to start stopping this sh!te in its tracks.
BTW caught a glimpse of that X_Factor bollox on the weekend...why did they have to put a young black mother up there...and why couldn't she find a babysitter! Man we are wotliss!
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Iyallah: sorry but I really have to disagree with you on this....As adults whilst I do not like it I think we hve to RIGHT to make our own mistakes....
However I have very serious concerns when a promotion company is basically trying to highlight 'dancehall' as BLACK culture and worse attempts to push onto children...
I seriously want to know the ages of the children this competition is aimed at, the context of how this competition will be scored and what mode of dress will be encouraged for this competition...
I would also seriously want to know the extent of BBC the involvement and how this intended programme is going to be pitched...
in fact better still i'm going to contact...Ligali and get them on the case, because this aint right...
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Posted: Wednesday September 21st, 2005 08:20 |
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| My niece is 8yrs old and is very advanced in terms of her physical development. Even though my niece knows some of the latest dance moves they are done in the comfort of her home. If my sister said she was going to enter my niece into this competition I would have to cuss her, because she will be exposing my niece to the dutty perverts out there who wanna get their cheap frills by watching such a competition. The parents that are allowing their kids to take part are idiots and guaranteed to do their utmost best to turn their daughter into a glamourpuss - hair pressed bone straight, make up, jewellery and a fancy looking childrens knickers and vest set. KMT why are these parents not entering kids into competitions to do with their child's education? To have a dance competition isn't bad in itself as it encourages the kids to get active etc but to have a DANCEHALL competition specifically for girls, knowing full well the word is mainly associated with slackness is just plain wrong.
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FacetyGyal: you know you make an excellent point....what sort of person man or woman would want to watch children gyrating and dancing in that manner..and how is this different from those perv's in the park getting their rocks off looking at children..
The more I think about this, the more I wonder about the sanity of any parent or person taking part in this venture...
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Posted: Wednesday September 21st, 2005 09:12 |
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Tahliba wrote:
I was assured that they will recieve some form of donation. However my man made a big deal about not making any money from this gig...apparently it's cost him £1,000 for the flyers and several thousands for the hire of the banquating suite.
Flyers do not cost that much, how much did he print 50,000? KMT
He offered to send me a recording of previous shows to prove that it is all good fun. He pointed out on several occassions how at previous shows some of the 'bad man' have been present and there was no trouble, 'they all laughed and had a good time'.
And what if one 'bad man' comes across a next 'bad man' he has been warring with on road, and decides that is the time he will get his revenge? KMT
On the subject of how the children would dress he pointed out gymnastics and ballet dancers and their attire. But also assured me that the children wouldn't be dressed bad...I did ask how he could possibly assure that? His answer because they are not those type of parents to let that happen, or something to that effect.
Good point about the attire, but gymnastics and ballet is not associated with xrated dance moves and girls having their breasts, batty and p***y pon show. If the parents are allowing their kids to be a part of this ting in the first place then they will allow their child to dress however.
He claims there will be no slackness lyrics music or dance moves.
I've seen likkle girls dance, some of them have more rythmn than adults. When the music starts they dance how they feel to, which means they will wine up their waists, bend down low, put their bums in the air etc. Yeah fair enough they ain't doing splits or standing on their head but as I said dutty rassholes will still be watching.
It did end with him suggesting that if I went out for a drink with him he would pull the plug on it. Or was that if he pulled the plug on it would I go out for a drink. LOL! And doesn't that speak volumes?
He would take u for a drink and still hold the competition cos as he said he has spent nuff money, fool.
I would actually like to see this competition and take notes and pictures. @ Tahliba when and where is dis ting being held?
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Posted: Wednesday September 21st, 2005 09:30 |
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there are dancehall competition for kids all over the place. this aint no new thing
even the carnival prince and princess where kids dance to soca calypso and reggae dancehall.
unless i know the type of dances involved i cant condem.
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Posted: Wednesday September 21st, 2005 09:42 |
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Posted: Wednesday September 21st, 2005 10:07 |
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LadyDay wrote: there are dancehall competition for kids all over the place. this aint no new thing
even the carnival prince and princess where kids dance to soca calypso and reggae dancehall.
unless i know the type of dances involved i cant condem.
But ladyday come on now..there is Dancing competitions with reggae, calypso etc music and DANCEHALL competitions which is very different and a entirely different context non?... Unless I missed it DANCEHALL as i know it is not something that I feel ought to be promoted to children...in any shape or form...
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According to the flyer the event will be held on the 15th October 05 @ White Pearl Banqueting Suite, 7 Upperr Trinity St, Digbeth.
The event will cover the whole day, starting with the childrens competition @ 1.30pm and moving onto the adult dancehall comp in the evening.
Children will also be enterained on the day by various acts & activities.
According to the promoters Portmore Cable Television is a Jamaican cable TV company
An extract from the flyer:
Contestants should be able to dance the latest moves and create their own dance moves thoughout the 6 rounds of the competition. Who will win? You deciede.
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Posted: Wednesday September 21st, 2005 12:53 |
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Cant see the problem Myself....
Whats the difference between this and that that "african culture" thread???
Both young girls.....dancing partly clothed...
At the end of the day a prev gonna get his rocks off either way....if they are that way inclined...
Besides dont you guys and gals think its all "cute" when your lil kids are jiggyine up them self saturday evening while your getting ready to rave??.....cmon now afterall its LEARNT behaviour
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| Black Power: Can I ask you, do you have children?
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Posted: Wednesday September 21st, 2005 13:07 |
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Yes I have one....
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Posted: Wednesday September 21st, 2005 13:24 |
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| sounds kinda weird. I know the regular dancehall and its great to me but i cant imagine little girls doing what I seen the grown women do.
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Posted: Wednesday September 21st, 2005 13:27 |
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Black_power wrote: Yes I have one....
So Black Power, ASSuming that you have parental responsibility..by thst I mean you are actively raising that child..are you seriously going to tell me that you would have no objections to him or her participanting in an activity that is one step down from poll dancing...?
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Posted: Wednesday September 21st, 2005 14:11 |
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@Those for this event: I can agree with your arguments to the extent that some dances are not sexual, however, we know that the more sexual the more applause and hype is created so I feel that the sexual dances will inevitably be on display. The promoters and people who think up such things know this too!
Overall I disagree though. How will those running the event be able to stop a child from doing certain dances . I can't stand seeing my daughter attempt to do any kind of moves from the waist down. She gets a good telling off. As for these big old hard back parents who are ok with it. Ohh boy some just don't get it.
Why oh why can't we highlight things that celebrate the intelligence in our children. Is it really that hard. Seems like too many of us are still happy to promote the fact that dancing is one of the few things we are good at.
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