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Posted: Friday January 23rd, 2004 23:37 |
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I hope so too Spice....
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Posted: Friday January 23rd, 2004 23:41 |
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Besides, if this somalifella here is not considered to be an African,, than hell with the africanism...
this is a nomadic somali youth tending cattle, which is by the way, what we do best... this is our culture guyz,, we tend to have strong african, and nomadic culture more than the arab culture...
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Posted: Friday January 23rd, 2004 23:48 |
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@Daud
What are you talking about???No offence but i was in UK when Somalians came over and to be honest i wasn't really hearing ANY Jamaicans having anything to say about you. You were not an issue. I was young so maybe i did not know, but i dont even know if a lot of people even acknowledged that you came here because of war in your country etc. Before you came i dont think many people had even seen people from Somalia. Also bear in mind the language barrier. It is sad you did not feel welcome, but we weren't welcomed here when we came and we still overcame. At least when you came here there were many black people already here, see how things would have been if you came in the 60's when our parents came, then you would know about not feeling welcome, and we got that treatment even though the white man ASKED us to come here.
If there were occassions where Somalians were getting dissed, that might have been two people in their own argument and maybe one of the insults that came flying out were "you somalian" whatever. Don't act like Somalians are some passive people that don't get into no fight /argument / name calling, because i see it all the time even with each other, where i live has a large Somali community.
On Blackchat and i have seen very few (1-3) negative comments towards Somalians and i would have still put that down to ignorance, and you will still have non-Somalian people objecting to that negative comment. On the somalian website all the people were dissing 'Jamaicans' and nobody objected to it, so in your plight to think that the problem is only with how the Jamaicans are treating Somalians, the websites show otherwise. You say Jamaicans and Somalians could get along if Jamaicans stop dissing the Somalians!!!!! Look at your website and you yourself have said that dissing Arabs and Jamaicans is order of the day on there, well dissing Somalians isn't on here, so where does the problem lie?????.......think about it!!
You need to really know what you are talking about and firstly i want to know what you define as 'Jamaican' because i dont actually see people from Jamaica bothering with you (in my community). Do you mean black British people who have Jamaican parents?? Or are you like so many other people assuming that all the black people that do not appear to be African must be Jamaican????
Why would they have problems with somalians complexions / hair?? (I must say Somalians have beautiful skin) but there are PLENTY people in Jamaica and the rest of the Caribbean that are light skinned / Somalian complexion and have soft hair. You are encouraging that 'soft hair is better hair' , 'light skin better than dark skin' theory which is rubbish and has been mentally impregnated by the white man in the first place, you proud BLACK Somalian!!!!
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Posted: Friday January 23rd, 2004 23:52 |
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@ C
Thanks
The Alex Wek comment was not my feelings, i was talking about how i think the white man truly sees her. I think she is beautiful too.
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Posted: Friday January 23rd, 2004 23:59 |
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Ive never heard anyone say that somalians are arabs??
But, can I ask? do Algerians, Tunisians, Egypian, Sudanese and other countries in North Africa class themselves as Africans or Arabs????
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Posted: Saturday January 24th, 2004 00:02 |
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@ Iyallah
Yeah I got u - Sorry, I jus re-read how I worded my comment tho, what I mean was 'They' mus be blind.
.... I'm a bit lax with my sentences
;-)
Sayin that tho, I'm sure some white people must agree she is beautiful too. That's a natural beauty too. If you see some of these Kate Moss types without the make up, they aint nuttin special to look at IMO.
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Posted: Saturday January 24th, 2004 01:12 |
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Thank you Iyallah, for your comment directed at Daud. I spent some time typing an annoyed response to him/her and then my computer crashed!
I can't believe the arrogance and ignorance, I live in a borough heavily populated by Somalians and I can honestly say that I have never had an altercation with a single one.
@Daud
As Iyallah says, Somalians are not always passive, humble people. So please stop trying to give this impression. It is in most cases because of the war in Somalia that you have left your country.
I really don't believe you know who Jamaicans are. I suspect that you think any black person who is not African is Jamaican. This in itself shows the extent of your ignorance to other cultures.
Able suffered racial abuse whilst at school (I believe) Children are cruel, as we all know and will bully anyone who appears 'different' Please note the operative word children.
As an adult, (I'm assuming you are an adult) I really think you should find something constructive to talk about, stop condoning hatred and grow up!!!!
Last edited on Saturday January 24th, 2004 01:15 by maecer
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Posted: Saturday January 24th, 2004 01:18 |
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| Somalians are AFRICANS period
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Posted: Saturday January 24th, 2004 01:25 |
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@ Maecer
Thank you, Daud's views are all one sided and know i come to think of it i have NEVER seen an altercation with a Somalian and West Indian / another African. EVERY time i have seen a Somalian brawl it has been with another Somalian.
I believe black people on the whole are quite accepting of others, just don't trouble them or they will flair up. Once you have shown you are cool and down to earth, very few people would still bother you.
When i was at school we had Somalian friends who hung out with everyone else. They weren't alienated. Same applied to the white kids / Asians that wanted to hang around with us.
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Posted: Saturday January 24th, 2004 01:30 |
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| they r africans.
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Posted: Saturday January 24th, 2004 01:32 |
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@ C
ok, i'll let you off this time LOL!!!!
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Posted: Saturday January 24th, 2004 01:42 |
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I just read your entry in 'why is everyone hating on the Somalians?' and let me tell you, you don't fool me for one moment with your 'We all black' speach. Your prejudice view (including swearing I might add) is dispicable.
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Posted: Saturday January 24th, 2004 02:13 |
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Iyalah and Maecer, with all due respect, quit saying SOMALIANS, say SOMALIS... I dont think you got me... Im trying to convey what majority of somali folks believe about the Jamaicans in UK.. im not talking about the Jamaicans in Jamaica... Im talking about BritishJamaicans who have been in UK decades before we came to UK... sisters, Im not dissing the Jamaican folks down there, but Im trying to express the believes of the somali folks so that you guyz can understand and try to either justifyor rectify, which says that both parties are idiots and are still unable to settle their differeces (if there are any)... so ladies, are you saying that Somalis hate Jamaicans outta nowhere?... you must have done something to make somalis hate you!!!.. they dont hate you, HATE is strong word, but I believe they misunderstood you. when Somalis came to UK, I believe they went throught what I call CALTURE SHOCK and you guyz boosted that shock by discriminating them and killing them.... few months ago, A somali bussdriver in London was muredered by a Jamaican collegue and he's still free.. true story girls... so, such incidents are what make somali folks in Uk and even in US and the rest of Europe somehow resent Jamaicans and feel hated by Jamaicans....
my views are neutral, (I know you dont c it that way) Im trying to show you what you have done and still doing to make somalis mad... its been known since the somali came to Uk that there are huge misunderstanding between Jamaicans and Somalis in Uk.. have u ever tried to creat a forum for both parties in order to settle the differences and unite them for they are the same people?... since you guyz have been to UK for so long, you were supposed to take the initiative to make somalis welcome and feel home.. but you chose to discriminate....hey listen, Im not getting these ideas from nowhere,, this is the truth, if you didnt see what is going on under you nose than May God be with you guyz..... I believe the situation can still be saved, if we find Jamaican and Somali volunteers whose aim is to draw both cultures together.... otherwise, the situation is gonna be 'pull my leg and I'll pull urs'..
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Posted: Saturday January 24th, 2004 02:41 |
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Maecer:
I just read your entry in 'why is everyone hating on the Somalians?' and let me tell you, you don't fool me for one moment with your 'We all black' speach. Your prejudice view (including swearing I might add) is dispicable.
Believe me or not, the recent comments I posted on this forum were very genuine and sincere. You say you've just recently seen my initial posts. That post along with the first one I made in here were clearly made without thinking, I saw such comments as "f**k cares about the somalians," by GEMINI or "Somalis chat to loud and stink," made by another female I believe her name is West Indian, and simply reacted and as cutie said "I WILL ALWAYS DEFEND MY PEOPLE THATS HUMAN NATURE FOR YOU." Although two wrongs don't make a right thats the path I chose to follow by allowing such bitter words to get to me and insult a whole people based on what two individuals said. Now you can choose to believe me or not at this point I really could not care less as I do not know you personally and have no reason to try to "fool you" or to prove anything to you.
If you go back and read through my apology you will also see me clearly state this "Now that I've read through many of my original posts I see how harsh and uncalled for many of my comments were. When I initially stumbled onto this forum and read some of the harsh things that were said such as one person called "GEMINI" wrote f**k CARES ABOUT THE SOMALIS. I thought I would mention f**k cares about the Jamaicans, but it was obviously wrong and for that I apologize. " Now if you are telling me that a human being cannot go back and review things that she/he has said, be able to tell the difference between right and wrong clearly acknowledge that she/he believes two wrongs don't make a right and that by her feeding into such ignorant and mean statements she allowed such people to get to her. Than I would have to say you're wrong.
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Posted: Saturday January 24th, 2004 02:49 |
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@Daud
In a sense you have made it worse, because at least if you were talking about Jamaicans from Jamaica i might assume you could tell by the accent or something, but if you are saying Jamaicans born here, then how would you know where they are from???
It sounds like you mean Black British with parents from West Indies. You cannot tell me you can tell if someones parents are from Jamaica!!! When they discriminated against you did you give them a mutiple choice form to fill out asking them where their parents came from? I think not!!!
Sorry for my ignorance with using the words Somalians, but the same way you dont appreciate me caliing you that is the same way i dont like people putting every non-African black person under the banner of Jamaican.
I cannot even contest you if you are saying that you have experienced any bad treatment because that is your experience and it is not nice to hear that.
A lot of other cultures don't like Somalis would it be fair to say that Somalis MUST have done something to them for them to feel that way? No. On the Somali website nobody was talking about bad experiences, they were cursing features etc, that is different. You wouldn't like it if people generalised to say Somalis had big foreheads and brown teeth would you??? I am sure you would feel offended.
The same way many Somalis would think that somali youth that have been here a long time or born here have a completely different mindset to the Somalis back home, is the same for West Indians. You use the term Jamaican so flippantly but have you actually been to Jamaica to see how you were treated? If it is the people that are born here it is better you say the issue is with UK born black people becasue the people actually from Jamaica would have no problem with you as they come from a VERY multicultural society and everyone is accepted.
You cant tell me if Somalis were tormented that their tormentors couldn't come from any other Caribbean island or another African countries. You said Somalis dislike Arabs as well, is that due to them?
It's sad for anyone to be killed. Was it advertised that the killer was from Jamaica? Or was the headline "Somali bus driver killed by Jamaican parentage UK born colleague"?????
And we all know the law is not on the side of any Jamaican so him being free must be due to other reasons.
Peace~
Last edited on Saturday January 24th, 2004 02:52 by IYALLAH
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Posted: Saturday January 24th, 2004 03:11 |
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Iyallah, one thing is for sure girl, you are trying to twist the whole converstaion... why dont we drop the Jamaicans in Jamaica and west indian folks in Uk, because we can distinguish those folks from the Jamaicans born in UK... the issue is not between somalis and all the other west indian folks, its between somalis and Jamaicans in UK, so please quit bringing other folks into the picture.. we somalis have nothing against other west indian folks, im sorry if you got offended, when I said, jamaicans are the iniatiators of this hatred, I didnt mean to upset you, I just wanted you to see how things are...
Iyallah, Sorry if I offended you but sister lets not twist the coverstation by megnating other folks to the situation.. lets just keep it to JAM and SOMALIS... its clear that u don agree with my views, but if you see situation different why dont you enlighten me!!!.. give ur point of view, the only thing ur doing is just urging with me.. let me hear how u c it and where the hatred came from!!!... first of all, Do u see that there is a problem between these two folks? if yes, what is the cause?
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Posted: Saturday January 24th, 2004 03:38 |
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this whole topic is a good example why Africa has so many problems instead of looking at each others similarities we are looking at the diffrences we should work together as black brothers and sister and get a long. And also you shouldn't use http://www.somalinet.com to judge all somalis are not like that and i think able is right every culture has people thinking they are better then the rest god (allah) made us all equel so everyone should be treated with equality.
also i applaud able and cutie and working out their hatred
also people say alot things about somalis such as oh i am indian because i have straight long indian hair or that i am P*kistani even some think i am arab. One thing came positive out of those comments i am more proud of being somali then ever.
one love black power
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Posted: Saturday January 24th, 2004 04:15 |
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Daud
First of all thank you. Secondly I have never heard of any serious altercations between Somalis and AfroAmericans in Seatlle. As you have now piqued my interest could you tell me a bit more about that. Also if you could I would appreciate any news clippings, that you might have come across about such a situation.
Thirdly in terms of some of the things you've said in here I agree in some ways and disagree with others. Firstly blame should not be placed on either group, as it is both groups that have contributed to the whole situation, and putting blame on either group could only cause further tension. You keep stating that if the Jamaicans would stop dissing Somalis then everything would be "gravy," but thats not necessiarily true. If we were being honest with one another both you and I know that some Somalis contribute to the negativity greatly. They too clearly make fun of the looks of other non-somalian, non-east african blacks which is highly offensive.
I strongly remember my mother telling me about a conversation she had with a Jamaican co-worker of hers. He basically sat her down and begin to tell her how he felt about the situation between Jamaicans and Somalis. He mentioned that when Somalis first came to Canada in the late 1980's when the civil war was just burgeoning. That he and his many friends who were also mostly Jamaican or of other Carribean stock, were shocked at these "new" people coming into the country they had never seen them before. They thought that they were exotic looking and everything but black, and so him and his friends began a friendly rivalry to see who could get with one of the many Somalian females who were attending thier highschools. Soon enough though he found out how prejudice the Somalians could be to other non-somalians; it was quite a shock to him and a let down. He mentioned to my mother that, he believes that is where most of the animosty stems from. He believes that from knowledge that these "new" Africans did not respect him or his people, that many Jamaicans felt that two could play that game. Today, he is struggling with a inter-cultural marraige he is married to a Somalian women and has children with her. He confided to my mother that, there is serious tension amongst the two families. His wifes side of the family which is Somalian was very upset about the union and many have either cut her off or treat his family poorly. His side of the family which is Jamaican, were not at all opposed to the union untill the ill-treatement began. So they react towards such treatment and treat his wifes part of the family just as poorly. The children are caught in the middle, because children tend to be closer to the mother than the father they are being raised mostly by the mothers side of the family also b/c they look much more like the mother than the father the grandmother believes they are more so Somalis than Jamaicans. they've adapted more to that culture, they speak Somali more so and better than they do english and the grandmother seems to be trying to isolate and murder the other half of them. His mother, is very upset at this and believes that the other grandmother is trying to "steal" her grand babies, she can barely even speak to them because of the language difference.
Anyways Daud the whole point of that story is to show you that, it didn't necissarily have to begin with the Jamaicans. As this man told my mother it was a clear attempt by the Somalis to isolate themselves from other cultures and completely stick to their own, which to some can be very offensive.
Ethos
Able I sympathathise with you and understand what you are saying, however, as Maecer says your security and love for your culture should be enough to allow you to shrug your shoulders and hold nothing but pity for the ignorant bigots that affected you in such huge way.
IYALLAH
Able suffered racial abuse whilst at school (I believe) Children are cruel, as we all know and will bully anyone who appears 'different' Please note the operative word children.
As an adult, (I'm assuming you are an adult) I really think you should find something constructive to talk about, stop condoning hatred and grow up!!!!
I don't know if that last "grow up!!!" is directed to me but I will address your post. I myself would not say that it was racial abuse as both Somalians and Jamaicans are black people and hence belong to the same race of people. It is not only that I recieved prejudice abuse at the hands of other people from the same race as I am at a young age. When I say that I started to recieve this abuse when I was younger I do not mean in elementary school. It was quite the opposite in elementary school I had a wide array of friends that were all different races and cultures (I loved it!). I recieved no hatred that I could remember other than the odd ignorant african joke (i.e African bum cleaner.) I actually started recieveing such hatred from friends in Junior Highschool, I remember a close friend of mine being quite upset about the fact that her crush did not like her but instead liked me. She began to abuse me verbally but not me as an individual but my culture me as a somalian, stating "go back to your country, no one wants you here." or "you stupid starving somalian, why would anybody want you" etc things of that sort it never stopped untill I finally confronted her and even when I did, never did I insult her culture or her background.
I didn't take that one incident to heart at first, but later on as I continued to age. I found that many of my other friends who were mostly Jamaican, found it alright to make disparaging, hateful, ignorant, comments about my people in front of me. Saying the most horrible of things without provacation. It just showed a total lack of respect for me or my culture but more so for me. You see if they could say such things to my face without provacation imagine when they're alone amongst themselves chitchatting. I've even been over at friends house who say such hateful things about Somalians when they believe I'm out of ear shot or that I can't hear them, or when I leave a room.
It's not that I'm still harboring resentment, but its more that I'm still being subjected to such things, just when I think its over and I've met a new set of people who aren't like the last they start up all that hateful bullsh*t. I'm 18 now and was just recently subjected to hateful comments about my people at the hands of another friend who is quite coincidentally Jamaican. She felt the need out of no where to tell me how she viewed East Africans as a whole in their appearence and behaviour stating she hates the culture, she hates the way we look, hates when she sees East Africans at movie theaters b/c they're heads are so big etc. Not only did she insult East Africans but Africans as a whole, claiming that Jamaicans have no African ties and she hates Africans, they're ugly etc. All of this without any provacation, while we were eating lunch. So its not that these incidences are so far in between or irregular its that they do regularly occur. Also the comments that have been made to me are not only from "children" but instead I've had friends parents say such things these are adults, but ofcourse such hateful comments must come from somewhere as children are not born hating particular groups of people. I've had teachers from this background believe it or not say things to me about my culture, and trust me they weren't nice things.
As far as condoning hatred, if that comment was towards me I don't. I did slip and was completely fed up with the comments and blamed a whole set of people for what the individuals would do. However I no longer do or atleast try not to.
When i was at school we had Somalian friends who hung out with everyone else. They weren't alienated. Same applied to the white kids / Asians that wanted to hang around with us.
Iyallah, it's not about alienation. I would have rather been alienated from those groups of people than have to feel that they were my friends and then have them say such hateful comments to me about my people. I would have rather not been associated with them, than have been and made to endure their hate towards me and my people. They were fakes one minute were cool and I'm just like them, the next I'm completely different because I'm African, Somalian and don't look like them. If we would be joking around and I say "kiss my black ass" they would laugh as a group and state "your ass ain't black! it's somalian" what in the hell does that mean? If I would make constructive criticism when they'd say something like I want my hair to be like whatever, and I state well cut you're split ends, your hair will not only be healthier but grow, they would state "well your different your hair isn't like ours so don't tell us what to do with ours." Once again constantly pointing out our differences.
Now I understand that there are people in the Carribean that have the same hair texture as the Somalians, and same colouration of skin and even features. I never denied that as I have friends who come from such countries. I know that there are Indian looking Jamaicans, and even Chinese Jamaicans and white Jamaicans as I have met them all. I've even been mistaken as a coolie trini, guyanese, Dominican and even Peurto Rican person. I am very aware of the diversity within the Islands as I am an open minded person who loves all cultures, not only do I sit down and read up on the different cultures of the world for fun but I also ask people from these cultures questions about them to better inhance my knowledge and just out of pure curiosity and love for the diversity in the world.
i understand you may have had bad experiences but as an African / West indian woman myself i have not heard a group of black people cuss off Somailian people to the degree of what was on that website EVER.
Well as a person whos had such insults thrown her way I have had West Indians throw just as much hateful comments as you saw on that particular forum. Maybe you yourself have never done it and do not associate yourself with people like that. However, I've experienced it first hand since I was younger up to now and still experience it. The insults range from passing comments that people don't think are as offensive to even more hateful comments that are equally hurtful as the insults you saw on that forum. I'm not comparing between hate, hate is hate is hate is hate is hate. There's no difference in the harshness of the words, as long as you feel offended then its offensive.
Don't let people of Jamaican decent or Jamaicans that reside here represent your view of Jamaicans. TRUST ME if you actually went out there for a holiday you would be welcomed as an African and that is the truth.
Quite honestly I'm really trying not to blame people for what others do. And I'm getting over these things, not to say that if tommorrow I were to hear another hateful comment it wouldn't hurt b/c it would thats what its meant to do. But I'm much more ABLE to react accordingly and not stereotype all people and put them all in the same little box.
As far as Jamaicans in Jamaica go I wouldn't know how they would treat me but I'm taking your word for it as I do hope to go and visit many of the Caribean Islands in the future "god willingly" I would love to.
The same applies to you Iyallah, don't let people of Somalian decent or Somalians who reside here represent your view of Somalians.
anyways I've written a lot if I have anything else to say I will submit it in another post.
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Posted: Saturday January 24th, 2004 04:47 |
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@ ABLE
BY THE WAY I SUGGEST YOU GO SEE A DOCTOR ABOUT THAT SERIOUS CASE OF VERBAL DIAREAH YOU HAVE.
What is that all about???
Can you not read did I not sum it up for you. You are talking nothing but sh*t in here and like I stated your mouth at this point just seems to continually fart.
I really don't have the time nor the patience to comment on everything you have said.
Its more that you don't have the capacity, intelligence or capability of fully READING a post before replying to it. Please brush up on your reading skills as you would not right an essay with out the full facts I do not know why you would reply to my posts without READING through it and getting the facts.
But, what I will say is that everyone is allowed to have their own opinion on who they think is beautiful and who isnt- personally I dont find the vast majority of somalians very beautiful, I dont know any Sudanese people so cant comment on them.
I will repeat this one last time. I am in complete aggreance with you that people have the right to "big up" and be proud of their country. IF YOU WOULD READ YOU WOULD KNOW THAT. However, they do not have the right to insult another one in order to make themselves feel better about who they are and what their culture is. Other than that oppinions are oppinions everybody is intitled to them and if ones oppinion is that their culture is the best then so be it. Personally I don't care about how you feel towards my people, you're an absoloute ignorant reck, why would I even remotely care if you found my people attractive or not. The simple answer is I don't. Once again your banter resembles that of the other ignorant "mouth farting" arab princess.
You need to stop telling people that what they percieve is diarrhea'???? whats all that about?? There are alot of verbal altercations coming from your direction. Stop vindicating other people cultures and appreicate. Get your finger out of that big somalian arse of yours and stop alluding your 'verbal diareah'
I would suggest that you get your finger out of my Somalian ass as you continually make a fool out of yourself by not reading through ones post and yes completely spewing as I said before VERBAL DIARRHEA. And you fullyknow what its all about as it is what you my friend are completely doing. Furhter more, You cannot make a sound argument if you do not know what the other person is arguing about, or for that matter what it is your arguing against.
futher my last comment still stands and applies to you more so than to anybody else
Maybe you should thoroughly think out and prepare what it is you're going to say next time instead of spewing such verbal diarrhea.
I suggested that to miss arab princess and now you are my second "verbal diarrhea spewing victim." Since you're not very bright I'll tell you what that means. It means that you talk nothing but sh*t, and it seems like your mouth is constantly farting.
LASTLY READ! READ ITS GOOD FOR YOU, IT'LL SAVE YOU FROM LOOKING LIKE AN ILLITERATE FOOL. WHICH, AT THIS POINT YOU APPEAR TO BE. STOP MAKING EXCUSES AND READ!
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Posted: Saturday January 24th, 2004 05:08 |
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Daud,
A sad thing is, that we somalis have been told alotta time that we half Africans and half Arabs, which is basically true,
That my friend is not basically true, Somalis are not half Africans and half Arabs. Only those who have an African mother and Arab father vice versa can claim to be half of any one of those. Somalis do not have either. Although it is true that Somalis have arab/caucasoid/indain whatever admixture in them, their parents are still Somalis like yours and mine Daud so we are pure blooded somalis. Somalia is in Africa and has been a part of Africas rich history for a thousands and thousands of years. Now for either, Somalis or non-Somalis to claim other cultures that is like ripping Somalia away from Africa and saying that they were never there or never contributed to Africa. Somalis and Arabs do have some similarities (i.e they're both semitic lingual groups of people, they share islam, and some minor cultural similarities.) Other than that Somalis identify with other East Africans (ethiopians, and eritreans) more so than with arabs, the only other arabs somali could identify with are the black arabs of yemen who resemble them. However, in the end the Somalis are Africans and identify with Africa. They have somali features not "caucasian" features but features that are distinct to their people.
So a question such as this that comes from a somali is completely irrelevant and sorry to say unintellageble. If nothing else he should know where Somalia is situated East Africa, The keyword being AFRICA. I love Africa and will never deny myself the previlage of being able to call myself an African.
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Posted: Saturday January 24th, 2004 05:18 |
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alot of bull is being spoken here. people are using excuses and not genuine reasons as to why they rather hate so easily. i have experienced alot of stuff from people in general. rascism from white people but you will not hear me blanket an entire race and culture.. i am so sick of Jamaicans being used as scapegosts for all and sundry. i am also sick of black people being seen as one blanket group that just dont get it. when you go to a foreign country expect to stick out like a sore thumb. after awhile you will gel into obscurity and no -one will blink an eye your way. understand better yet overstand that a Jamaican is not gonna react for nothing. the word is provoke. there are many cultures in the uk today who feel that there's is supreme and that they are better than those already here. get over it. the fact of the matter is that in that forum that led to this discussion is the fact that there was nothing but hatred.
to the somalian people. answer this why is that it seems that you guys hate other black folk in general. why is that it seems that only the asian community you find solace in. please do not use religion as an excuse as there are many africans and others who share your religious beliefs values etc that mix and get along well with the rest of the black world. indeed people who have never interacted outside there culture will have home taught stereoptypes but soon you must be able to cut your apron strings and stand on your own two feet form your own opinion. get a life.
its about time the blinkers came off and step into the real world. i believe that there are some good somali peeps out there. respect =respect. you do not have to recieve it first to give it.
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Oi K-rizma,
Since I have been reading the forums from this site, I am so surprised at how much other blacks from Africa dislike Jamaicans. I myself am half Jamaican, my father is from there and I grew up there. I even here about this dislike us in New York sometimes, but not as much they are disliked in the UK. I must say we are a little arrogrant times. My other half is Ethiopian. This hatred towards each other has got to stop. To think they we are better then one another is really sick. So we have different cultures, that doesn't mean that we are better then the other.
I went to the Somolian website and I was not impress, with how they address topics or even speak to each other. It looked like it was put together by a bunch High Schoolers. I wanted to come to England to visit my brothers and sisters (Africans and Africans decents), but I don't know, there is so much tribalism there. I myself feel better being around Africans from all over the world, including my home Jamaica.
You folks don't realize how much you are keeping this division going on. Mon you are playing right into the white men hand.
I will pray for us all.
And Somolians are black rather they want to be or not. I see some of them and someone of them look like some folks in my family.
I'm very proud to be Jamaican, but most of all African
Peace my brothers and sisters and please start loving each other!
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Posted: Saturday January 24th, 2004 06:24 |
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IJEXA?????
I know your thinking the same thing.
IM not saying anything man 
...Apart from sometimes yall justify why we are
seen as Stupid.
Kunjufu
Le we ge rid a dis schupidness.
GAAAAAADD!
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Posted: Saturday January 24th, 2004 06:27 |
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Ok Ethiopian somali fem,
I have had enough of this. You are a sanctimonius, smart arse condisending fool. Full of your own self importance, who seems to think that you are better than everyone, even your own people!
Shut the F***k up and get a LIFE! WHO CARES WHAT FRIGGING TRIBE YOUR MUM, DAD AND GRANDMA come from, you eat and sh*t the same as the bantu people that you take great pains in explaining are not like you.
Where has your curly hair got you? Has it got you any further than a negroid African?? Pleeeeeze!! I suspect not and quite frankly NOBODY CARES!
Come with a new story now, because Im bored of your history lesson which is basically trying to convince people what a real somali/Ethiopian person should look like. this is a forum where people express their opinions, dont collapse because people may disagree with your opinion on your own people, such is life, other people are allowed to talk about your people if they want, dont attack them!
Write a book on the subject if you are so wound up about it but for god sake NO MORE, I beg you sister
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Posted: Saturday January 24th, 2004 07:15 |
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Able having read your response above I take back my comment made to you. I apologise as this was written straight after reading the comment on the other thread. 'Grow up' was not directed at you, but Daud, whose response has only further confirmed his/her ignorance incidentally. (iyallah you got there before me again!)
daud wrote: 'you must have done something to make somalis hate you!!!'
Since this comment was directed at me I would like to point out that I am not Jamaican, and as I have said before I have NEVER had any atercation with a 'Somali'. - You see my point, You don't even know who you are hating. Since the people that you say give Somali's beef are UK born - (with no hint of an accent) how pray tell, do you know they are Jamaican? Do they all wear a T-shirt emblazened 'I Love Jamaica' I'm sorry, but you do appear quite foolish.
You know this conversation is pointless and idiotic. and I really didn't want to get involved. I don't know jack sh*t about Somalia so I would never make a statement like 'oh it's the people from Mogadishu that are prejudice against us'. How dare I, what do I know. You don't know jack sh*t about the Carribbean. so stop making sweeping statements because in doing so you not only offend Jamaicans, but all of us.
Maybe education is necessary to stamp out ignorance. this is the way this thread should be going. tell me about the history of Somalia. tell me anything, just leave Jamaicans out of it!
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Posted: Saturday January 24th, 2004 07:46 |
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I don't quite understand the point of this thread. Forgive my ignorance Somalia is in Africa, right.
Some people come up with some real silly things - just for the sake of typing I guess!
End of discussion!
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Posted: Saturday January 24th, 2004 08:18 |
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The very title of this thread was enough to send my blood pressure shooting up from the shock of seeing such ignorance. I have spent much of today doing serious work intervening in a critical international initiative regarding african development that is in danger of going off the rails and I come back to my machine and see such divisive and ignorant bollocks from the likes of Mali_Breh on blackchat! 
One of the people at today's meeting was a brother from Mali who struck me as intelligent, thoughtful, constructive and sensitive, obviously not related to such a punk as Mali_Breh! 
The dustbin is too good for such rubbish. Those of us working for the cause don't need the kind of discouragement that this sort of ignorance can give rise to.
Mali_Breh needs to check himself, stop chatting and more importantly stop thinking about such garbage and turn his mind to how he can help his people, because we either stick together or hang separately!
And just in case, some damned fool gets it into their head that I'm a somali, for the record I am not. Like Kunjufu, my objection is a principled stand against foolishness.
Peace!Last edited on Saturday January 24th, 2004 10:10 by TechNoir
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