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Posted: Wednesday January 21st, 2004 17:15 |
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Able wrote: ok to Arab princess,
you have all the right in the world to share your views but you do not have the right to bash the Somalians. You might percieve your people to be the best and the "most beautiful" but there are many out there that would disagree. I am one of those who disagrees.
You are on here running a one person Sudanese appreciation party, stating "I think the sudanese people are the best or the most beautiful". When they were never even brought up. Yes you love your people there is nothing wrong with that, but there is no need to bash or hate on other groups of people to get your point across. I'm sure many Somalians WOULD NOT be pleased with being called a sudanese, or consider them to be very beautiful.
SUADANESE PEOPLE ARE ALL DIFFERENT LOOKING AND HAVE THE BEST OF EVERYTHING- NICE HAIR, DIFFERENT COMPLEXTIONS, BEAUTIFUL FEATURES (SORRY BUT CANT SPEAK FOR THE SOUTHERN SUDANESE)-
You honestly don't even seem to appreciate the wide array of Sudanese people yourself. Many people associate the Sudanese people with the Dinka or in your words "junabis" look, that's made Alek Wek famous. You keep stating that you are the "lighter, better mixed type of sudanese" and the others are the "junabis" more blacker Sudan people. You obviously love one more so than the other. The arabs actually invaded sudan and made many of the original inhabitants into slaves. The Dinkas of Sudan are still very much slaves up to today, because they are "darker." You are not better than they are just because you "yourself" think you are; And apparently you're the only that does.
As far as Sudan women not being circumsised ha! is all I can state. They are very much circumsised as it is a evident part of the culture within Sudan. I have a few sudanese friends who have been circumsised. All of the ones I've ever known have been circumsised and there was a serious case of a Sudan family practicing circumsision rituals in their basement in Canada. Don't tell me that was all lies. If you don't know any Sudanese women that have been circumsised than you don't know many sudanese women.
As far as the insults you've slung at Somalians go (they are unfounded, hateful, reek of jealousy and are completely ludicrous) I could say many things about you're people that would leave your head reeling just from the onslought and truth of it all but I choose to not go down that path and insult other Africans; and as you're views do not mirror those of all the Sudan people I will not insult them and stereotype them because of one IDIOT. You obviously have inferiorty complexes as you feel the need to tell everyone in this forum how "beautiful" you think you are. You keep telling your self that (as nobody else probably has) maybe you'll actually start believing it and not need to come on a forum where you think people will share your oppinions, BY THE WAY NOBODY HAS!
YOU CHAT SO MUCH BULL IT'S DISGUSTING, FOR ONE THE REASON WHY I AM BIGGING UP MY PEOPLE IS BECAUSE IDIOTS LIKE YOU TRY TO PUT THEM DOWN- GENERALISING AND SAYING THAT THEY ALL LOOK LIKE ALEC WEK- ALL BEEEN CIRCUMSTICED??? HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW YOU PRICK- DO FRIGGIN TELL ME sh*t ABOUT MY CULTURE MY PEOPLE AND EXPECT ME TO SIT AND LISTEN TO THE BULLsh*t THATS COMING OUT OF YOUR MOUTH- YOU FOOLISH BEING.
AND WHERE THE HELL DO YOU COME OFF WITH 'THEY ARE NOT ATTRACTIVE???' THATS LIKE SAYING ALL JAMAICANS ARE CRIMINALS OR THAT ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE RACIST???
I WILL BIG UP MY PEOPLE EACH TIME, BECAUSE TO ME THEY ARE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE WITH AN ARRAY OF DIFFERENCES THAT MAKE THEM UNIQUE- SO GO AND SUCK ON MY BIG TOE IF YOU DONT APPRECIATE A SUDANESE WOMAN, COZ ONE WOULDNT HAVE YOU ANYWAY- LOL
GET A EFFING LIFE YOU SAD MAN- TALKING ABOUT SOMALIANS ARE BETTER THAN SUDANSES- THEY AINT BETTER THAN NO ONE. AND YES I HAVE ARIGHT TO VIEW MY POINT THE SAME AS YOU HAVE DONE- DO NOT INSULT MY PEOPLE, BECAUSE I WILL DEFEND THEM EACH TIME- YOU CAN BELIEVE ALL THE NEGATIVITY THAT IDIOTS LIKE YOU PLACE ON SUDANESE PEOPLE, BUT YOU WONT GET FAR IN YOUR VIEWS.
YOU ALSO SAY THAT 'I THINK IM BETTER BECAUSE IM LIGHTER AND DISGAGE MYSELF FROM THE JUNUBIS' WELL, THE REASON WHY I SPEAK OF THE NORTHERN SUDNAES IS BECAUSE THEY ARE MY PEOPLE I CAN NOT SPEAK FOR THE ONES DOWN SOUTH AS THEY ARE FROM A DIFFERENT CULTURE PERIOD- FOOL, GET A LIFE AND DATE
AND AS FOR THAT CRAP YOU TALK ABOUT THINGS GOING ON IN BASEMENTS IN CANADA- ITS PROBABLY YOUR WACKO COUNTRY!
@ ADAM, PHILIP AND ABLE- YOU FOOLS ARE ALL THE SAME PEOPLE- DONT TRY TO MAKE UP NUMBERS OF APPRECIATION FOR LIKING SOMALIAN WOMEN COZ IT DONT WASH WITH ME.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO APOLOGISE TO SOMALIANS AS I MAY OF COME ACROSS REALLY RUDE, BUT WHEN PEOPLE WANNA DISRESPECT MY PEPS I WILL RETALIATE
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Posted: Wednesday January 21st, 2004 19:39 |
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well what a heated debate!! im neither somalian or sudanese..i was born to jamacian parents who moved to london and have lived here ever since.
as i was growing up in the early 1970s i cannot recall seeing somalian people..it was either white or african or westindian and asians that i remember seeing.
now im 36 years old i have seen many somalian people and i have nothing against them..i do admire the women..to me they have a unique beauty of their very own..and i dont need to go into detail but i have noticed that many somalian women tend to be pearshaped with very large backsides..which i must say i find very sexuallly and phyiscally attractive.
now of course many other women have big bottoms but not all wear them shroud type of clothing which makes their bottoms look even bigger and sexier.
big bottomed women are definatly running tings at the moment!! even some somalian women are wearing their jeans tight with the thong showing!! believe me!! ive seen it!! and i was surprised!! but man what the hell!!! why should women always have to wear...clothes that cover the whole body? one last thing...would a somalian woman ever go out with a westindian man or a white man? for a long time ive admired somalian women but they seem out of reach to westindian men or am i wrong?
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Posted: Wednesday January 21st, 2004 19:56 |
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p.s
A lot of people dont even know what a 'typical' Sudanese person looks like- so  to your stereotypical, generalising pathetic views- LOL
Sad but true but alot of people (esp black) dont even know where the hell Sudan is???
Confuses the hell out of me seeing as it's the largest country in Africa!
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Posted: Wednesday January 21st, 2004 20:30 |
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i really dont know what is wrong with some of you women? cant you ever be nice? why do you have to be rude? if you disagree, do you have to be so bitter with it?
jesus!!
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Posted: Wednesday January 21st, 2004 20:36 |
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ackeesaltfishnfrieddumpling wrote: i really dont know what is wrong with some of you women? cant you ever be nice? why do you have to be rude? if you disagree, do you have to be so bitter with it?
jesus!!
Darling, I wasnt even referring to you???? I was referring to idiots such as Able, Philip ect...
Your views are your views- mine are mine
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Posted: Wednesday January 21st, 2004 20:39 |
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Posted: Wednesday January 21st, 2004 20:44 |
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ok i am sorry..i do agree with you though.
all the best
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Posted: Wednesday January 21st, 2004 21:02 |
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im glad so many people r finally realising wat dese east african gyals have got!! 1 ting dat bugs me doe iz da constant arguement dat somalians, ethiopians and eritrians aint blak!! da funniest ting iz dat it iz mostly da west african peeps da say it an da jamaicans!! mayb its coz dey dunn wanna cum in2 direct compition wit us coz we so gd lookin'  lol, (dats bound 2 spark off an arguement) an jamaicans sayin' we aint blak?? y? coz we lighter den dem? lol, if n e ting we're more blak den dem, we r after all still on da original ''black continant'' whereas dey r not!! so who's not black now??? last ting i fink its due 2 all dis arguement an da fact dat west african (not only dem but as an example) keep tryna say we aint black etc which has lead 2 so much hostility an lack of luv! seems dey been forced 2 acknowledge dat if ''we'' aint black an da blacks dont want us den we should kinda shift towards white coz at least dey call us black, kinda mentality (i dont agree wit it but its jus a theory) da last last point i wanna make iz 2 da breh dat was sayin' dey 2 much maintainace- bruv iz it coz dey muslim an wont give up da goods till dey married?? tink bout it (even though an alarming amount r now goin' on like hoes!!)
manz out was nice strechin' an excercisin' ma mind! p.s. somailan reppin' brikky!!!!
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Posted: Wednesday January 21st, 2004 21:37 |
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| What you need Tyra is to have a face uplift then you will be praised by these black men and you won't feel such hatred to kill and eta Somali women and Ethiopians for Breakfast my ugly Friend.
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Posted: Wednesday January 21st, 2004 21:51 |
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somalis and jamacians rarely see eye to eye..the same with africans..then again is there a single peoples that do get on? lol
the only thing that puts a barrier between me and somalians is i cant understand or talk somali ...i cant bear racism based on someones skin colour..you get white british and black british..where is the problem? both speak the same langague..where is the problem?
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Posted: Wednesday January 21st, 2004 22:55 |
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Able I sympathathise with you and understand what you are saying, however, as Maecer says your security and love for your culture should be enough to allow you to shrug your shoulders and hold nothing but pity for the ignorant bigots that affected you in such huge way. These people know nothing of your culture. I suspect even your mothers prejudice towards ‘Jamaicans’ is simply because she doesn’t know any better.
When I was going to school my mother strictly forbade me to befriend any Africans, she gave me some racist, stereotypical reasons in order add weight to her request. As an adult I realise how wrong my mother was. And consequently some of my very best friends are of African descent.
It seems that the world is full of horrible people who just need someone to hate. To boost the failings in their own self esteem. Hatred is a nasty and dangerous emotion, and sadly, it is always directed at a person who is not any better off than the hater.
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Posted: Wednesday January 21st, 2004 22:58 |
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: Able wrote: I AM A SOMALIAN FEMALE YES WHAT IS SAID ON THAT FORUM CAN BE CLASSIFIED AS WRONG BUT I DON'T BLAME THEM. WHY? BECAUSE I AM A STRONG BELIEVER IN THE IDIOLOGY THAT EVERY RACE AND CULTURE HAVE THEIR OWN PREJUDICES AGAINST OTHER CULTURES. JUST PAUSE AND THINK ABOUT THE WAYS YOU JAMIACANS TALK ABOUT PEOPLE WHEN YOUR AMONGST YOUR SELVES.  JAMAICANS SHOULD NOT MAKE A BIG DEAL OUT OF SUCH A FINDING I SAY THIS ONLY BECAUSE I HAVE SUFFERED SO MUCH ABUSE AT THE HANDS OF JAMAICANS.
Like the old saying gos 2 wrongs don't make a right. Do you know what makes a race strong? It is being able to respect each other and work hard together to build strong community, not being prejudice against one another for some small difference between you. Look all these groups are black and that is all that should matter.
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Posted: Wednesday January 21st, 2004 23:34 |
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Philip wrote:
Sundan girls are not sexy at all they are actually unattractive to me...The majority I've seen are a jet coal black, where you can't even really see any features all you see are red eyes loool SCARY.
What do you find so ugly and frightening about being jet coal black?
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Posted: Wednesday January 21st, 2004 23:44 |
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arab princess wrote: p.s
A lot of people dont even know what a 'typical' Sudanese person looks like- so to your stereotypical, generalising pathetic views- LOL
@Arab princess, why don't you post some pictures of some Sudanese women? I know one Sudanese man living here in the States who is married to an African American woman but to my knowledge I have never met any Sudanese woman.
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Posted: Wednesday January 21st, 2004 23:49 |
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Yeah that's a good idea- Ill see if I can download some pics!!!
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Posted: Thursday January 22nd, 2004 02:42 |
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Ethiopian Somali Female:
I think i understand what you're saying.....
You believe that I'm looking at Somalis as ONE RACE and Ethiopians as ONE RACE and then comparing the 2 while ignoring the variety among different tribes that exist withing the respective countries themselves.
While I DO recognize the darker nappy-headed indigenous tribes of both places, most of these people are small in number, separate from the larger society as a whole, and have little or no power in neither country.
So my focus was more on the Asiatic looking majority of BOTH countries.
When you remove the indigenous Bantu tribes and the minute amount of white and arab mixed populations, then you're left with the keen featured wavy haired majority of both Ethiopia and Somali.
They are the ones who typically represent the land.
Now when comparing JUST THEM...most Somalis on average are darker, heavier, have kinkier hair, and have more "negroid" features than Ethiopians.
All Men:
What good is the beauty of a woman if she doesn't respect you for who you are?
I agree that East African women are among the world's most beautiful but until they've built up a healthy respect for us as a whole....there's no need to slobber over them or hold them in such high esteem because it will only lead to bitter disappointment.
There's nothing like the defeated feeling you get from telling a woman how beautiful she is, and she looks at you coldly and says "I know, will you please excuse me...I have somewhere to go"
Adam, I know where you're comming from and how you're just proclaiming how much you love these beautiful sistaz but don't allow yourself to play the role of the fool by falling in love with someone who doesn't repect you.
Growing up, it was always a shock to me how the same compliments and pick-up lines that worked like a charm with white and black women never seemed to even hold Oriental and Indian women for a 5 minute conversation.
The simple fact is that outside of black and white women, most others don't wanna be seen associating with us...including Arab and East African women.
Now, I've been blessed to meet nice and very charming Somali women but the fact is most East African...and an increaing number of West African ....women are disassociating themselves from a lot of AfroAmerican men when they come to America and seeking white partners.
Most African women period either seek men of their own ethnicity or white men.
The reason I'm bringing this up is because a couple days ago a very dark nice looking model-type woman from West Africa came in to a mostly black place where I ate regularly with her white boyfriend.
She was laughing hard, tossing her hair, and talking down to the black staff at the resturant basically calling them incompetent and stupid...to the point that her white boyfriend had to calm her down and apologize.
I've seen this type of behavior on numerous occasions from African women, the same type of behavior that Asian and Indian women portray...but not as aggressively.
I don't know how they feel about West Indian men, but it's as plain as day that most African women have little respect for AfroAmerican men no matter how decent we act or good we look PERSONALLY...most lump us all in the same category.
This is bordering on unforgivable in my book because it's a sign of disrespect and a basic "slap" in the face.
If we were living in MY society, I'd make it clear to both men AND women from Africa and Asia that regardless of what they fee, they'd have to respect ME and MINES.....or leave.
Asian and Indian women didn't like white men either until they started FLEXING on them and showing them who's really in charge...and I fear that this is what most black men are gonna have to do to gain their respect also.
But since this isn't my society and white men are running the show, I have to put up with seeing my people get disrespected and ignored by immigrants of all nationalities.
For me, it's not about beauty...but respect.
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Posted: Thursday January 22nd, 2004 03:42 |
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ARAB PRINCESS ALL OF THIS IS FOR YOU!
"YOU CHAT SO MUCH BULL IT'S DISGUSTING, FOR ONE THE REASON WHY I AM BIGGING UP MY PEOPLE IS BECAUSE IDIOTS LIKE YOU TRY TO PUT THEM DOWN- GENERALISING AND SAYING THAT THEY ALL LOOK LIKE ALEC WEK- ALL BEEEN CIRCUMSTICED??? HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW YOU PRICK- DO FRIGGIN TELL ME sh*t ABOUT MY CULTURE MY PEOPLE AND EXPECT ME TO SIT AND LISTEN TO THE BULLsh*t THATS COMING OUT OF YOUR MOUTH- YOU FOOLISH BEING."
well well well. Interesting. First of all I did not put you're people down no where in my last post do I insult the Sudanese people. Read it over, as you obviously did not the first time around. If you happen to find Alek wek to be an insult to the Sudanese people than thats you, I happen to think she's very cute myself. I also did not claim that they all look like Alek once again if you were to actually read an actual post instead of jumping off at the hand and making a fool out of your self you would have read that I infact said "Many people associate the Sudanese people with the Dinka or in your words "junabis" look, that's made Alek Wek famous." That is the Sudan look most people have seen as the Southern Sudanese were forced to become refugees and flee from Sudan to seek refuge from the Arab infulence in Sudan that was and is still inslaving these people.
AND WHERE THE HELL DO YOU COME OFF WITH 'THEY ARE NOT ATTRACTIVE???' THATS LIKE SAYING ALL JAMAICANS ARE CRIMINALS OR THAT ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE RACIST???
You little ignorantly foolish girl please point out where in my post I stated that they are not attractive. If anything I said I will hold my tongue and refrain from insulting the people who inhabit a whole country because of one, stupidly annyoing egocentric ignorant young female. No where in my post did I insult them and don't you dare make it out to seem that I have, just because you're small, miniscule mind can ONLY use profane words to get you're point across instead of rationalizing like a normal human being, and talking things out.
I WILL BIG UP MY PEOPLE EACH TIME, BECAUSE TO ME THEY ARE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE WITH AN ARRAY OF DIFFERENCES THAT MAKE THEM UNIQUE- SO GO AND SUCK ON MY BIG TOE IF YOU DONT APPRECIATE A SUDANESE WOMAN, COZ ONE WOULDNT HAVE YOU ANYWAY- LOL
I am not against the fact that you love your country, I applaude you for that infact. However, I stated that to love ones country doesn't mean you have to try to put others down to make your self look better. Nobody insulted or brought up the Sudanese people they were just simply praising another type of African women, and for some reason only allah knows why that got you offended. I'm exoribitantly excited at the fact that a Sudanese women wouldn't want me as I would not want one either. I myself am a female, you little fool. Instead of ASSuming things that make an ASS out of you and not me little girl, why not actually read through posts and then ask rational questions afterwards instead of letting your emotions take you over. But you're still very much a little ignorant girl and will inshallah get over that as you age, pray to allah he will guide you.
GET A EFFING LIFE YOU SAD MAN- TALKING ABOUT SOMALIANS ARE BETTER THAN SUDANSES- THEY AINT BETTER THAN NO ONE. AND YES I HAVE ARIGHT TO VIEW MY POINT THE SAME AS YOU HAVE DONE- DO NOT INSULT MY PEOPLE, BECAUSE I WILL DEFEND THEM EACH TIME- YOU CAN BELIEVE ALL THE NEGATIVITY THAT IDIOTS LIKE YOU PLACE ON SUDANESE PEOPLE, BUT YOU WONT GET FAR IN YOUR VIEWS.
So I'm a man am I? Well thank you doctor for informing me of my sex. I infact am not a man you are a complete ASS as you continue to ASSume things, of people in here. I will inform you of who I am so next time you will not look so incredibly rediculous, I am a female my culture is that of the Somalian people. If you were to check through any other threads such as the "somalinet" forum you would know that I do not hide my sex from anyone and am a female. I too am very proud of who I am and love my people very much so, I happen to think that we are very beautiful people as well, but I do not have to insult you're people to prove that point. However, you feel that you do, you are lacking in serious self-esteem in yourself and your people and have to work on that. No where in my post did I state that I believe my people are better than yours, I do not have to compare my people to others to know that I have love for them, or that I think they are the best because they are my people. I allow others to have their views as I have mine and do not ridicule them for that. To quote you my friend "DO NOT INSULT MY PEOPLE, BECAUSE I WILL DEFEND THEM EACH TIME-"
YOU ALSO SAY THAT 'I THINK IM BETTER BECAUSE IM LIGHTER AND DISGAGE MYSELF FROM THE JUNUBIS' WELL, THE REASON WHY I SPEAK OF THE NORTHERN SUDNAES IS BECAUSE THEY ARE MY PEOPLE I CAN NOT SPEAK FOR THE ONES DOWN SOUTH AS THEY ARE FROM A DIFFERENT CULTURE PERIOD- FOOL, GET A LIFE AND DATE
I don't give a rats ass if you are a Northerner, I do not think that you are simply better than other Sudanese people because you call yourself Arab Princess, and think your lighter and better than the Southern Sudan people. Once again you are not necessarily better than they are just because you YOURSELF believe you are, there would be many people here who would disagree with you. As for this comment "FOOL, GET A LIFE AND DATE " its completely juvinile and shows your true colours as well as age LITTLE GIRL.
AND AS FOR THAT CRAP YOU TALK ABOUT THINGS GOING ON IN BASEMENTS IN CANADA- ITS PROBABLY YOUR WACKO COUNTRY!
My wacko country huh? Well let me inform you about your country that you don't seem to know about. As far as there not being any female genital mutilation within Sudan read this article please deary if you want more evidence I'm more than willing to provide you with it. Just ask sweetheart.
Sudan Pledges Ban on Female Genital Mutilation
By Brian Carnell
Monday, October 6, 2003
In August, Sudan pledged to ban female genital mutilation in that country.
According to a story carried by the UN Integrated Regional Information Networks,
At the end of a regional three-day symposium held last week in Khartoum, Health Minister Ahmed Osman Bilal expressed his government's commitment to eradicate FGM at all levels, according to a summary of proceedings provided by UNICEF.
According to the Sudanese government, as many as 90 percent of women in its northern, largely-Muslim states are victims of female genital mutilation. Moreover, female genital mutilation in Sudan is the worst form of the practice involving the removal of most or all of the external genitalia and then the sewing of the vaginal opening -- all done on young girls aged 7-11.
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Government to ban female genital mutilation. UN Integrated Regional Information Networks, September 3, 2003.
Sudan: Genital mutilation rises. Agence-France Presse, August 24, 2003.
------>My gosh! Arab princess it's mostly prevelant in your neck of the woods and is the worst kind of FGM, Northern Sudan my gosh! shocking isn't it? As you know everything about your country I'm shocked that would elude you.
@ ADAM, PHILIP AND ABLE- YOU FOOLS ARE ALL THE SAME PEOPLE- DONT TRY TO MAKE UP NUMBERS OF APPRECIATION FOR LIKING SOMALIAN WOMEN COZ IT DONT WASH WITH ME.
I don't know about Adam and I don't know about Philip, but I Able am completely my own person and am very much a female not a male, and as you are wrong about me I can only imagine how wrong you are about the others in here. Do not ASSume my sex simply based on my sn name. I swear I think that old adage was created just for you Arab Princess say it with me. Don't ASSume things because it makes an ASS out of you not me. You should repeat that every night before you go to sleep, so it could get into your thick head.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO APOLOGISE TO SOMALIANS AS I MAY OF COME ACROSS REALLY RUDE, BUT WHEN PEOPLE WANNA DISRESPECT MY PEPS I WILL RETALIATE
As I am one of those Somalian females you tried to insult I will not accept your appology because your latest comments still sound like the same tired hateful, bullsh*t you were spewing before. A somalian sister has yet to come in here and speak such bullsh*t about your people as the inaccurate statements you've made towards my people. For some reason you are insulted that people would even find my people attractive and feel the need to "HATE." That word may be a cliche and overused in these days, but its the most accurate way to portray the way you sound (i.e Hateful). Think that over. This is not a genuine apology at least I do not feel that it is, and untill you actually grow up re-analyze everything you've written in here; that apology will still not be accepted. You boggle my mind an African-muslim that hates on other African muslims woow, you truly make me sick.
BY THE WAY I SUGGEST YOU GO SEE A DOCTOR ABOUT THAT SERIOUS CASE OF VERBAL DIAREAH YOU HAVE.
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Posted: Thursday January 22nd, 2004 03:57 |
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@ cool nuh bredah!! weh mek u ah cuss de gyal so?
everyone entitle to dem own point of view...first and foremost we r all human beings and god design we as man and woman..now..wedah we is black..or white..sudanese or somalian why should that cause we fe cuss and gwan like we a animal?
look pon food!! u see how much variety deh ya? u should any body that would cuss and say why is there such a wide variety of food? wouldnt that person look stupid?
i love all of my black and white sister dem..me nuh care what fault dem have car noone is perfect!!! so just seccle me bredah and top cuss de sister she u hear me?
arab princess no take whe de bredah say to heart seen?
alright lickle more people!!
love seen
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Posted: Thursday January 22nd, 2004 05:26 |
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Ethiopian Somali Female:
I think i understand what you're saying.....
You believe that I'm looking at Somalis as ONE RACE and Ethiopians as ONE RACE and then comparing the 2 while ignoring the variety among different tribes that exist withing the respective countries themselves.
While I DO recognize the darker nappy-headed indigenous tribes of both places, most of these people are small in number, separate from the larger society as a whole, and have little or no power in neither country.
So my focus was more on the Asiatic looking majority of BOTH countries.
When you remove the indigenous Bantu tribes and the minute amount of white and arab mixed populations, then you're left with the keen featured wavy haired majority of both Ethiopia and Somali.
They are the ones who typically represent the land.
Correct, However, I would like to point out that Somalis go by mostly a clan system. There are a few number of tribes (mostly Bantue tribes) within Somalia but the nomadic "Asiatic" somalis mostly work through clan systems. There is a clan that my mother is and I belong to it is the HABARJALO Clan. The first father of this clan was an Arab man and the mother was a Habesha female. There is also another clan called the HABAR YOHANNES CLAN The father of this clan was also an Arab man and the mother was an Oromo women. No Bantus are associated or ever were associated with these two clans, and as such these people have no Bantu blood within them. The Bantus within Somalia are a very small portion and make up about 600 000 of the population they do not call themselves somalis but belong to such groups as these ancestral tribes include, among others, the Makua and Yao of southern Tanzania and northern Mozambique; the Ngindo of southern Tanzania; the Nyasa of southern Tanzania, northern Mozambique, and northern Malawi; and the Zaramo and Zigua of northeast Tanzania. Other southeast African tribes represented among the Bantu refugees include the Digo, Makale, Manyawa, Nyamwezi, and Nyika.
Some Bantu populations still maintain the tribal identities of their ancestral country of origin. However, unlike the nomadic Somalis, who consider clan affiliation and tribal identification sacrosanct and critical to survival, most Bantu people identify themselves by their place of residence, which, for those with strong cultural ties to Tanzania, often corresponds to their ceremonial kin grouping. Although, Other Bantu who lived in the vicinity of nomadic Somali clans (particularly those residing outside of the lower Juba River valley) integrated into the Somali nomadic clan system, which provided the Bantu with protection and a sense of identity with the nomads, causing them to refer to themselves as "Somalis". However, Discrimination against the Bantu in Somalia largely prevented them from intermarrying with other Somali groups as the nomads did not want to taint their blood and thus receiving the protection those clan affiliations normally bring. There is actually a very small portion of Bantus who were able to intermingle with Somali nomadic clans and produce Somali nomads who have some Bantu blood in them due to discrimination against the Bantus who in appearence differed greatly from the nomadic Somalis who have much "thinner" features.
The Bantu people's predominant Negroid physical features are distinct from that of the Somali nomads and gives them a unique identity. Among the physical features used to differentiate the nomads from the Bantu is hair texture-jareer (kinky hair for the Bantu people and jilec (soft hair for the non-Bantu). The features of the Somali nomads are more pronunced, thinner and sharper than those of th Bantus who's predominant physical features are Negroid.
Now when comparing JUST THEM...most Somalis on average are darker, heavier, have kinkier hair, and have more "negroid" features than Ethiopians.
Now I understand that you have your own views and may believe yourself to be very knowledgable about my people. However, being that I am both and quite honestly believe myself to be more knowledgable on such things as the difference between Somalis and other East Africans than you would be. I find your findings to be completely inaccurate. Whilst the fact that the Somalis might be slightly darker than the Ethiopians is correct. The kinkier hair is completely false, and the more "negroid" features are completely false. What I am stating is that Somalis are known world wide to have "non-negroid" features and to have the same features as the Ethiopians. Although in some way I understand what you're saying but I believe you are saying it completely wrong (i.e Somalis have more negroid features) when they obviously do not. As far as I know the semitic speaking peoples of highland ethiopia/eritria (ahmara, tigre, tigray) do consider themselves superior to the more stereotypical african people to their West because of their light skin complexion. The cush*tic speaking peoples like the somalis, oromo and afar probably have a middle position, they are darker than the (ahmara's, and some tigrays), but share the same "thin" features-and hair textures. All of these "Asiatic" East Africans are guilty of racism against those who do not look like them and are outside the clan structure.
Of course to be honest, the irony is that the people of southern arabia that serve as the main cultural trading partners with the ethiopian and somalian complex consider the peoples across the red sea and gulf of aden habesh "black."
It might appear that I am anti-Bantu somali intermingling I am not at all. But you're assumptions or statments about the somali nomads having "negroid" features and "kinkier" hair is completely false and quite honestly you are the first person I have ever come across in my lifetime that has shared such views with me. Once again I would love for you to come to one of my familys many celebrations you would barely be able to tell. By the way it is my mother that is Somali and my father that is Ethiopian he is a bit darker than my mother is and my mother is a lighter complexioned Somalian women.
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Posted: Thursday January 22nd, 2004 05:47 |
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Its interesting how the distance between two points in Africa marked as seperate(by Europeans)can have two types
of knuckleheaded negro fighting against each other.
I think y'all do not posess the ability to STEP BACK
and look and see your forming a bigger picture.
A slave masters dream
Stop playing yourselves,
(once again)
Adam mentioned Love,
L
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yall turned it to hate
Wake the f**k up!
Question Which part of Sudan you from Miss
Princess?
Id like to know,u born in Islam?
Which tribe, what belief,Dyou know of the Mahdi?
I have serious doubts.
Damn Adam, you see what they did tya thread?
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Posted: Thursday January 22nd, 2004 07:34 |
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Hey guyz like Mr Banks and others i hear u guyz talkin ur mouth much bout EastAfrica but which EachAfrica u guyz all about,The major playas in EashAfrica r d Kenyans,Ugandans n Tanzanianz,so if u guyz talkin bout EastAfrica plz categories all of them cos Somalia,Ethiopia r abit different in many things than d major playaz in Africa Kenya,Uganda n Tanzania,all dis countiries majoprity blk African n a mixer alswell,so if Somalians have problems have problems with other blacks n westAfricans then they don't speak 4 d majority of EastAfricans from d major countries.Plus i don't think any country in EastAfrica can claim they r d most beautiful cos nowadays d whole place is mixed up ,u got Indians mixed up in Kenya n Uganda n u also got somalis n indians mixed up in Ruwanda n Burundi.Congo aswell got hot women mixed with over there even some got mixed with french during d colonies.But to b realistic d real EastAfrican countries of Kenya,Uganda n Tanzania runnin d whole Area of EastAfrica.
So plz if anyone of u got something to say jus talk about ur own country plz don't combine d whole of EastAfrica in ur dumb views.
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Posted: Thursday January 22nd, 2004 12:08 |
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I guess since I'm only used to seeing most Somali women in Muslim events...I never saw any with dyed hair or green-blue contacts.
That comment right there sorry to say shows your lack of knowledge on Somalian women. You know a particular type of Somalian women, that you've been accustomed to seeing at muslim events etc, or intermingling with. However, you obviously do not know the bigger picture Banks, and you probably aren't accustomed to seeing the more "modernised" less traditional looking Somalian women. Mostly the younger ones who are growing up in America.
Mr. Banks I think that you are just used to seeing Somalin women in Islamic wear, and events. I don't think you're used to seeing the ones that are less likely to look and dress like their elders or mothers. Infact you clearly stated that above. I'm surprised you haven't seen "modern" somalian women with dyed hair, but obviously you have not seen to many without their head coverings either so how would you really know what is under that. There's a prevalent joke amongst somalian women that constantly change their hair colours, they say it must be a somalian thing; but of course its not as all women dye their hair.
Also you might not beleive me but there are many Somalians that have lighter eye colours aswell that range from blue to green to a lighter hazel brown etc and they are all shockingly real. Obviously the Somalian women pictured above doesn't have blue-green eyes as she states in her biography, that her eyes are naturally brown. There is a name in Somali for them, however, I can not remember it right now. I myself have come into contact with such women on many occassions, and at first was quite shocked, when I asked my mother questions about them she explained even further that there are many Somalis back in Somalia who have such characteristics as different eye colours. Recently I had a somalian women come into my place of work she had the bluest eyes I've ever seen, the colour was quite striking and beautiful on her darker skin colour. I actually was so intrigued that I approached her and asked if it was real they clearly were as there were no signs that they could be contact lenses. Infact she's widely known in the somalian community. People in the community refer to her as the Somali women with blue eyes. Her children also happen to have the same eye colour. I don't expect you to believe me as I didn't believe it myself, when my mother told me about such Somalian people, at first. I actually have never seen any Ethopians with such eyes but I won't say it can't be possible as I was so obviously wrong about the Somali people who do have such eyes.
It just goes to prove that just because you've never seen something before it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
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Posted: Thursday January 22nd, 2004 16:40 |
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@ ABLE- Get a life you sad ol somalian- whats wrong with someone saying that their people are the most beautiful, its a matter of opinion.
You sound very bitter and tortured- GET A F**KING LIFE
p.s that essay of yours bored the hell out of me-LOL
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Posted: Thursday January 22nd, 2004 21:53 |
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Spice!! Respect must be Mutual.. dont you think?.. I complety agree with what Able says because the whole negative energy is from the Jamaican folks who strongly dissed somali folks when they immigrated to UK... you will never see somalis talk like that about AfricanAmericans, why? becuase there is mutual respect... eventhough there were minor incident in Seattle between somalis and AfricanAmericans, AfricansAmericans vividly expressed how sad they are that the incident took place and immediately started educating young africanamericans about the cultures and habits of the somali folks and that the somali folks are their brothers and not their enemies.. did that happen in UK? NO NO.. it did NOT.. outta 2 of every 3 somali who dies in Uk is murdered by a Jamaican... why? becuase Jamacains discriminate somalis... true... no wonder these young somalis in those forums express themselves that way... its what you JAMAICANS showed them,..
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Posted: Thursday January 22nd, 2004 22:15 |
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N.A.T. wrote: LET U KNOW MAJORITY DONT RESPECT BLACKS. THEY R MORE DEDICATED TO THE ARAB MANS CULTURE AND THE ASIAN RACE THAN THE AFRICAN PEOPLE.
NAT, you are the most ignorant individual in this forum.. you really are... you can find a large number of somalis who diss ARABS like sh*t every single day in that forum.. Im a member of the forum and arab-dissing is the order of the day... arabs and Jamaicans and most dissed in that forum... even other parts of somalis itself is dissed... most of the somalis Identify themselves with Africans and not with Arabs.. Im somali and know the culture quite well... you folks are extremely sensitive... Arabs take it like men when they are dissed and try to discuss in oder to convince the dissers... Now, what you are doing is flaming hatred among black folks and for that I declare you an ignorant and cruel.....
as far as it concerns that Jamaicans,,, Eductions is the key to all this misunderstandings between somalis and Jamaicans... lets educate our young Jamaicans and Somalis and magnet them towards each other a little bit.....
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Posted: Thursday January 22nd, 2004 22:37 |
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Able wrote:
You ask what has Somalia contributed to the world. Well, in terms of kingdoms within Africa, Somalia was a part of the great Aksum empire you may not know about it as you yourself are not African. Before Somalia was even known as Somalia it was known as the "LAND OF PUNT" it is reffered to in the bible in many passages as well as in the Quran. The country was also under the kingdom of Cush. Their trading partners were the Chinese, the indians, the persians, the greeks. Many things that were transported to these countries were found in Somalia such as frankessence.
The great Pharoas of Egypt traded with the Somalis and considered them to be great people who resembled them. Many of the frankessence and things that were in Egypt were found in Somalia as they could not be found in Egypt. One of Egypts greatest gods was considered to be the keeper of Somalia, this "God" or deity was considered to be the mother of "rah" the son god I believe. With Hatshepsuts explorations into Somalia she found that the people reflected her own people very much and they became great trading partners,and she mentions the people on many occasions.
There are many Pyramids in Somalia up to today from the explorations Hatshepsuts made and the ties with Egypt. There are even drawings and carvings of the Somalis "people of punt" on Queen Hatshepsuts pyramid walls. Not to mention all of the greatness within Somalia before the arabic/caucasian infulence. Somalia also produced the really first black super model that America has ever seen. She herself experienced an immense amount of hatred from many AfroAmericans; who hated the fact that the modeling world felt that they had to find black beautiful women in Africa, they taunted her and said that SHE WAS NOT BLACK! but rather a white women dipped in chocolate. She recieved more love from the whites in the modeling world than she did from her black counterparts. Read her biography you will find all of that in there. Now you tell me would that not be hurtful to anybody? Those are just a few things that I thought I would share with you CUTIE. As you were so kind to share your countries greatness with me.
True, Vivid and great story... SOLID girl...
I herewith express my deepest respect for Able for she is extremely intelligent and understanding...  .. wish all somali folks were like |
