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Posted: Tuesday March 2nd, 2004 16:37 |
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@ Michael
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What YOU need to realise is not every black non-African is a Jamaican, and to be honest i know PLENTY Jamaicans and unless the person had mental issues i cannot imagine two people just walking down the road minding their business and then a Jamaican just shouts out "you blasted African". Are you sure there was not a form of disagreement or something?
Either way stop the generalising.
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I was going to say the same thing!
It's almost as ignorant as the media stereotyping EVERY black person who commits a crime as a "yardie" (no actually, on second thoughts, maybe it is just as ignorant...)  Last edited on Tuesday March 2nd, 2004 17:43 by Blick-Brotha
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Posted: Tuesday March 2nd, 2004 16:51 |
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I think some people has been a little too harsh on this thread, about the lad, he may had made a statement seemingly sweeping but I get the vibe that he really did not mean it that way. I think he was going by his dad's experience and he talked like how many of us would talk about people. He probably just looking for reassurance that his dad's experience is not typical.
How many of us would never do any certain thing again because of ONE bad experience???
Micheal - no it is not a common/cultural thing for Jamaicans to insult anyone. What sometimes happens though is sometimes what people say in jest MAY not be seen that way by others. Its one of those 'in jokes' sort of thing. For example my family use to call my younger brother 'red' because of his light skin. Because so many other people use to say it, (still W.I. people), I never thought anything of it. Then one day a person of another race came to hear it and immediately thought we were virtually the scum of the earth! We was taken aback to say the least! Anyway after much discussion, the person calmed down.
So it could be that your brother takes things the wrong way or your dad actually did meet some incrediably horrible people, but either way its not typical.
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Posted: Tuesday March 2nd, 2004 17:06 |
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@Michael
How did your folks know the people were from Jamaica? Or were they doing as a few people do and assume everyone from the Caribbean is Jamaican
If you check it out people of African descent from all over spend a dispproportionate amount of time looking down on each other, to my mind its a self estemm thing, when you've being fed and told that you're the bottom of the pile in the human pecking order (as we're told collectively) then those who internalise this spend alot of time trying to feel and be better then someone
(Some) Africans from the Caribbean (check it out I did not say Jamaicans as in my experience alot of use Jamacian when in fact were not sure where in the Caribbean a person is linked to) look down on Africans from African and use myths of uncivilised and underdevelopment to justify this, Likewise (some) from Africa think they're better as the see themselves as being more educated
The Caribbean/African split is just one divide, others include
male/female
small island/big island
Ghanaian/Nigerian
Jamaican/Trinidadian
class divisions
There are many more and the latest target are Somalians it seems
Its all part of the divide and rule game. Divided, we who all experience racial oppression and exploitation in some form or another and who have common interests and a common history and heritage, remain weak.
Truth of it is those of us who think we know better should show better
Incidentally some Africans from the Caribbean have a greater loyalty and love of African then some of those born and bred there. Well known ones are Marcus Garvey, Bob Marley, CLR James, George Padmore, Walter Rodney and others
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Posted: Tuesday March 2nd, 2004 17:19 |
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@Chi Chi
You're bang out of order.
Argue you're point without resorting to insults. the brothers post is genuine. the brother is an African period.
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Posted: Tuesday March 2nd, 2004 17:51 |
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@Sista Africa. Chi Chi tut tut....The brother is an African unless the map and history has been changed over night.Sis Africa well done.
But you are going to get vex and tired of me. Very very minor point. There is no big/small island divide in the Caribbean. Not at all. There is some Jamaicans with that attitude. Nowhere else will somebody refer to an other in those terms. No doubt we have some choice responses.
If anything the major divide is OECS islands, and others and it is political/economical/legal not personal in the big island/ small island way.
The one island where there is probably an issue is Barbados, "Little England" who look down on everybody Period. I know few people outside of there who likes the place. The people are very stand offish like the British of old, not like Caribbean people loud and gregarious and open generally.
Not freindly at all, well organised but souless, compared to other neighbours which is weird given how others get on etc. They have the British superiority complex combined with their own self image, not without reason. Highly educated and skilled population and extremely impressive institutions.
They have superior everything, education you name it. The oldest elite educational institions etc all built by the British hence their superior development and condescention. They also have the largest indigenous white population etc as well. So they are probably the "boasty boys"in the Caribbean right now not Jamaica.
That big island thing is dead long time,and has no real meaning given the objective advancement of the other islands in comparison.
Just minor detail.
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Posted: Tuesday March 2nd, 2004 17:54 |
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athaba wrote: I think some people has been a little too harsh on this thread, about the lad, he may had made a statement seemingly sweeping but I get the vibe that he really did not mean it that way. I think he was going by his dad's experience and he talked like how many of us would talk about people. He probably just looking for reassurance that his dad's experience is not typical.
Athaba: Sorry but I strongly disagree..Micheal is of age to know better, further it is about personal responsibility...I'm personally getting rather fed up of people making Lazy thoughtless sweeping statements on any media without properly thinking through the consequences and reprocussion of their statements..
I still remember the massive fallout over Damilola Taylor where everybody and his dog came out talking as if his killing was part of some sort Cultural war between Nigerian and Jamaicans...
However we now know that whatever happened that night, that this line of thought was completely untrue, But I have not seen one person to date have the guts to retract all the lies and obvious untruth that was spoken after Damilola died.. Sorry but is time people stop chatting for the sake of chatting and considered their words and the weight that it carries when uttered irresponsibly..regardless of intention.
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Posted: Tuesday March 2nd, 2004 18:03 |
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Most who are used to me on this forum already know my opinion on this topic. but as i am in a good mood i wont be hasty
@michael like your people who have never interacted with Jamaicans/Caribbean/West Indian people I myself have never interacted with anyone from denmark not to my knowledge. indeed your parents experienced what is known as reality. that reality being that people of diferring backgrounds and cultures will make jokes at others. now these jokes are not intended to inflict pain etc. as amongst caribbean people we all see the smallie joke as the biggest joke there is. not forgetting how all the other islanders are too easily mistaken for Jamaican when there is many different mother languages and dialects. i hope you are seeing my point. They should not take it to heart. I have two Jamaican parents, the majority of my family is Jamaican, we have friends from all cultures. Your uncle is wrong, as it is NOT a Jamaican thing to insult all and sundry. If you step to us in a way of disrespect we will let you know. White people often make the mistake of using one bad experience with someone of another race as way of depicting all from that race. do not make that mistake. Jamaicans love the fact that they are Jamaican regardless, but they do like knowing other cultures too
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Posted: Tuesday March 2nd, 2004 18:09 |
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@ Sista Africa,
Nope. Not out of order. I decided to visit two Somali websites this morning and wow did I get an eye opening. Well, maybe I shouldn't be surprised. It's not much different from what they say here. They don't talk about blacks a lot but whenever they do you can bet it's non-complimentary.
The burden always seems to be on blacks to be accepting and turn the other cheek. How many black ppl have the balls to start the type of threads that other ppl do here, on other comunities' website (that is after identifying that ur black). *Pfft The ppl would run you off like some killer bees then the moderators will delete your posts.
Who said they weren't African? I attended an African conference last week and there were some of them there. The ppl are so aloof. Whereas other vibrant young people were mingling freely, exchanging business cards, ideas, and portfolios I noticed that they always seemed to be on the outskirts, very quiet. You wouldn't believe that these are the "same" loud ppl on blacknet...lol joke.
I'm pretty nonconfrontational in my approach to discussions but I think I was caught unaware but what I read today. I'll leave it at this b/c I don't like negativity, it takes away from me.
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Posted: Tuesday March 2nd, 2004 18:21 |
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Well, well, well......... (yawn), here we go again. Is this topic just going to keep returning every week or so in a new wrapper? (Jamaicans this, Jamaicans that) Or are some people (namely: @ Michael, amongst others) going to attempt to obtain something, anything resembling A LIFE????)
@ Kunjufu -   couldn't have said that better if I tried. (Regarding ur 1st post)
@ Michael - Honey, darlin, sweetheart..... Jamaicans do not look down on Africans to make themselves feel bigger, infact the JAMAICAN vs AFRICAN argument is one that exists (regrettably) but is also 2-sided, admittedly it is between more West Africans as opposed to East Africans, but it is 2 sided all the same. I don't believe it's a hatred thing, more a lighter hearted 2 sided, competitive rivalry, one of my good friends is from Uganda and another from Gambia so I know what I'm talking about. Every race (including us) have their faults, but haven't u got something more constructive to speak about?
You say your father was insulted by Jamaican 'fellas' in the street. I ask you was this attack unprovoked? Seems highly unlikely to me. As a Jamaican I am the first to say we can be very ignorant at times, but unprovoked verbal attacks don't quite add up. Did these 2 men identify themselves as Jamaicans? If your father has never had contact with a Jamaican before, how did he know he was interacting with one then? It's like someone never tasted a mango so u put a piece in their mouth and they immediately identify it, doesn't make sense does it? The problem here is assumptions.
Contrary to popular belief, every black person is not JAMAICAN! (wow revelation). It is not very hard to emulate our accent, our figures of speech or mannerisms. (I have witnessed many a nationality in action). I've typed this somewhere before and I'll type it again, we have a saying back home: "Every ting whe gwan a foreign, de yardie get de blame" and ain't that s*** truer than a m*****f***er. I don't know what ur intention was in commencing with this thread but you have portrayed yourself not only as an idiot but as ignorant in the process.
STOP ASSUMING, STOP PRESUMING, STOP GENERALISING, STOP STEREOTYPING..... THANX
@ Black Beauty - I hear ya, and I was wondering about that Jamo ting as well I've come across it recently on BN, isn't it amazing the lengths people go to? I guess we must be special if people are bestowing nicknames on us huh?
@ Iyallah - I agree with you.
@ Lexi - not trying to hate and don't take me wrong but you could at least correctly spell the place you claim a 3rd of ur family are from.
You too need to stop your generalisation, Jamaicans do not have 'narrow minds' and 'alot of things are not new to us'. We have a high standard of education in the caribbean and are very close to the states (2 hr flight away), as well as sharing their satelite television network which means we do experience the cultural diversity and knowledge, so whats new to you is new to us.
For your future reference and information, Dreads do not call themselves African, nor do they wish they were born in Africa. I just showed your comment to my Dad and my Uncle (both dreads) and they laughed. They are proud of Jamaica (The Land of Food and Water) but accept they descended from Africa, rather than wishing to be African, they actually wish for unity and progression within the race therefore binding one to the other (African and Jamaican) and creating harmony. Your reference to Rastafarians in a different context is a good one because The Dreads do honour Emporer Haille Selassie as their 'King of Kings' and wear the colours of the Ethiopian flag to represent this (are u reading this @ Michael) aren't Ethiopia, Eritrea and Somalia in East Africa and isn't East Africa where ur from? I rest my case but, STOP GENERALISING!
@ Athaba - I see your point, I really do, but it's a bit of an incorrect stance to tell Chi Chi she's bang out of order for her insults because although she may have worded her thoughts in the wrong way, @ Michaels initial statement was an insult in itself and that is what she is responding to (and they can't have been that bad because Kunjufu hasn't deleted her post LOL). Seriously though, Michael initiated the post and he's going to have to be prepared to accept some unsavoury comments. You can't blame anyone who replies to this and is indignant, I know I certainly am. Maybe it doesn't affect you in the same way because the comment is not aimed at you or those from your country, but if you put yourself in my shoes you would understand it better.
Basically people need to see people as individuals and not as a race, stop judging incidents and individuals as a whole country and start taking things for what they are. If someone from Australia (for example) slapped me up one day, I wouldn't blame Australians I'd blame that particular someone. Get it?
People need to grow up.
anyway ONE LOVE TO ALL
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Posted: Tuesday March 2nd, 2004 18:35 |
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@Cutie when she said
"Every ting whe gwan a foreign, de yardie get de blame:"
Sis I saw when you said this the other day and thought hmmm. But it would have detracted from your points which I agreed with absolutely down the line.
One minor observation. Given that Jamaicans numbered about 10:1 them compared to other islands in the UK. It is common sense that any thing negative is statistically all things being equal Jamaicans will be overepresentated. Equally by same token all things constant we should expect Jamaicans to be overepresented elsewhere in higher performance. Don't know that they are, but would bet safely they should be or thereabout.
So you can't have one without the other. Yes Jamaicans created havoc in the 1980's in the US. NO doubt about it. But also produced some of the most outstanding in a range of professional/commercial feilds. By the way. Jamaicans were the big business boys in the 1960's and everyone learnt from them. The reputation in those days were Jamaicans were very ambitious and good with money.
All the money people my parents age, in my childhood always refered to Jamaicans. So see how life is..
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Posted: Tuesday March 2nd, 2004 19:13 |
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Michael wrote: Why do jamaicans in Great Britain look down on africans or feel to make them self bigger?
How do YOU know this....considering you do not conversate with Jamaicans OR live in the uk??
My father and mother just came back from Britain and they've been insulted by jamaican fellors in the street several times calling them unpleasent names 
"SEVERAL TIMES"??....OK Unlucky for some......may i ask what "unpleasent" names?
This shocked my father, who never knew or even had any conversation with a jamaican before in his entire life.
so how did he KNOW he was being insulted by several?
His younger brother living in London told him, that it was a jamaican thing to insult
a Jamaican "thing"?....don't mean to be rude but how many Jamaicans does your uncle actually KNOW as in interact with?
I SMELL A RAT AND HIS NAME IS MICHAEL!!!.......
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Posted: Tuesday March 2nd, 2004 19:41 |
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Cutie wrote: Well, well, well......... (yawn), here we go again. Is this topic just going to keep returning every week or so in a new wrapper? (Jamaicans this, Jamaicans that) Or are some people (namely: @ Michael, amongst others) going to attempt to obtain something, anything resembling A LIFE?
Very true. However I have noticed that it is always these threads that seem to attract the most attention! Whether Michael intended to offend is not the issue. Such people must realise that threads such as these are going to offend, so I do question their motives. We only add fuel to the fire by taking the bait and responding. I doubt he is seeking advice , if he were he wouldn't have have started his entry with such an offensive statement.
he wrote: 'Why do jamaicans in Great Britain look down on africans or feel to make them self bigger?'
Perhaps if he started by telling us of his parents experience, then questiom whether this is a common occurrence, then it would have been recieved differently.
Quite frankly, being on BN has opened my eyes to alot of racism within my own black race and it is disgusting!
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Posted: Tuesday March 2nd, 2004 20:28 |
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@camile wrote: Quite frankly, being on BN has opened my eyes to alot of racism within my own black race and it is disgusting!
I do agree with that, I have also learnt some new words, I hope they doesn't last in my memory because most of them are derogatory words unfortunately.
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Posted: Tuesday March 2nd, 2004 21:05 |
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Listen, I have never insulted anyone or any nationality in this forum. I'm not racist or narrow minded in any kind, that's something not everybody in here can say about themself (like Chi Chi). When someone insult my parents, I get mad like every child should do. If you read my post closely, you'll see it is rather a quastion then a generalization. Damn, one of heroes is from Jamaica (Bob Marley), so how can I hate them?  Like athaba said, people have been harsh replying this, if it was a non eastafrican person, the reaction surely would have been very different.
I tried asking this is somalinet.com, but you know that forum is nothing but stupid youngsters in there. I never meant to insult my brothers & sisters from Jamaica and I haven't done that, if so, then I'm sorry.
ChiChi said:
It's amazing how virulent, infectious, nauseating, and obnoxious their presence on this website has become.
Kunjufu,
Maybe you should keep eye on comments like that, instead of talking down to me.
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Michael wrote: .
Kunjufu,
Maybe you should keep eye on comments like that, instead of talking down to me.
Micheal: Whilst I might concede that your may not have intended your post to be racial Prejudiced.. nevertherless you were at best careless in how you phrased and constructed your thoughts.. That is my point, i would therefore think more of you, if accepting that point you now admit to your responsibility instead of trying to offset it by telling me how to do my job.. When I need pointers in this respect be assured you will be the first person i will consult, until then please take some responsibility ok!!
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Posted: Tuesday March 2nd, 2004 21:23 |
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@Camille,
Michael wrote "'Why do jamaicans in Great Britain look down on africans or feel to make them self bigger?"
That sendence is very wrong thing to say. Sorry about that 
My parents are moving to London in this summer for good. They bought a flat and a store in a street mainly dominated by black people (somalies, jamaicans, indies, P*kistanies and other africans). There've be some tension in that street for sometime between somalies and jamaicans. But my parents didn't knew this, they stayed in London for several month looking for their new home and it was at this period all these things happened.
I don't how my father know their were jamacains, but he says they were jamacians.
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Posted: Tuesday March 2nd, 2004 22:07 |
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| Apology accepted Michael. But you really do need to chose your words more carefully if you don't want them to be misconstrued.
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Posted: Tuesday March 2nd, 2004 22:55 |
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@All Can I get some support in clarifying a cricitcal issue and can I use Camile as an example.Camile no need to respond because I could find 100 example so it is not about you but the issue. Camille said:
"Quite frankly, being on BN has opened my eyes to alot of racism within my own black race and it is disgusting!
Can I take the opportunity to challenge something here. Black people demonstrate ignorance and forms of prejudice here. However I have seen very few examples, if any I can recall and am willing to be proved wrong of a black person being racist to another.
The word racist is precisely defined. Not only that it has a very precise meanning in wider society, and can I say is being pushed in educational institutions to suggest any form of racial comment is equal and the same, and actually means the same thing.
While for example plenty people want to pick on my JA brother and sisters for example. I have seen no evidence of the types of hostility and stuff we usually associate with the term racism, and why it has become an issue. I see no evidence, nor will we ever of say Nigerians organising to burn "Jamo's" in their homes and kill their children, or murder their women coming home from work. You will never ever find Jamaicans organising to do similar things on the primary basis of someone being Nigerian.
And I am not even a Jamaican, but can say if that ever occured it would be the majority of Jamaicans who will hang those indivisuals, before any Nigerian would even have time to act. So let us keep these things in proportion and context.
Moreover, can I suggest we use our words very very CAREFULLY. This in not the unique situation of Burundi where tribal hatred and manipulation lead to one group of Africans literally exterminating another. That is very rare in African history and shaped by very complexed factors.
Finally, and this gets to the heart of my concerns. I have seen several white people come here and say the Forum is like the "Ku Klux Klan", and other comments, which has got my blood boiling and was so disappointed when intelligent black/African people allowed such remarks to go unchallenged because of the deeply offensive nature of some comments and using foolish ignorance of black people as some kind of comparator, or black people cussing off white people as evidence. Our people have a right to cuss off white people if they feel so aggrieved as long as they contribute and not wasting our times.
But for someone to compare anyperson here, or any comments made by black people to black people in those terms is deeply deeply offensive. It assumes we do not know who the KKK are, what they did, and what they do and are planning to do as we speak. Insult.
So black people lets be wise in what we speak and the words we use and how we allow others whether they be our own or guests to use them.
I shall step off my soap box now.
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Posted: Wednesday March 3rd, 2004 01:52 |
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ChiChi wrote: God in heaven, please don't allow this thread to turn into what this Ethipean/Somalian is looking for.
It's amazing how virulent, infectious, nauseating, and obnoxious their presence on this website has become.
They never contribute to or heaven forbid, start any threads that stimulate understanding among Diasporans, only to those that foster a divide and conquer attitude.
But you can't divide and will never conquer because you are not one of us. Afr. Caribbeans, W. Africans, and Afr. Americans can bicker with each other back and forth whether we are in the States or U.K. but at the end of the day, it's really just sibling rivalry, we get tired and then move on to something new. We share a link which forces us to bury the hatchet.
You people on the other hand are about as close to us as Iraqis and it explains ur viciousness b/c you know you have nothing to lose!!!!!
And when your kind finally gets tired of being ignored you'll slither back under the rocks of oblivion that you crawled out from.
I just hope that Jamaicans don't bite the bait b/c believe me these people will be sitting back enjoying the entertainment.
*Bravo*My sentiments exactly!I don't know where it comes from,but I sware these east african people posting at this website have a weird angle.That borders on misplaced self-glorification,coupled with racial animosity.On one hand, they want to be honorary black africans,yet on the other hand they're going out of their way pointing out how different they are from the rest of black africa.
Personally,I will agree with what you said "they're about as close to us as iraqis are"Amen to that!When I'm around sub sh africans or african descended blacks,I catch this familiar black vibe & energy,that I do not get when around ethiopians,eritreans or somalis.Honestly,their kind is more of the arab/non black world.Perhaps they should bond with them and leave us the hell alone.
Reading between the lines,it doesn't take a rocket scientists to see what's going on here.In another post below,you mentioned lurking at some somali websites,in your leisure time.Me too!What I noticed.................some way,some how,these east african folks view themselves as superior to black africans,plain and simple.Despite the fact that they're from the most economically deprived,war & famine ridden region of africa. The intensity of racial bigotry towards other africans is on par with that of neo nazi skinheads,for real......
Ironically in this thread a somali boy is asking why do jamaicans disrespect africans,haha!.Obviously,trying to exploit the ethnic tensions & discourse in the u.k.Ummmmm......seems like a mighty white thing to do,aye?Must be the"caucasian"heritage & features in him or something.
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Posted: Wednesday March 3rd, 2004 04:13 |
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Damn, one of heroes is from Jamaica (Bob Marley), so how can I hate them?
 Where have I heard phrases like this before?? hmmmm.....
seems like a mighty white thing to say,aye? Must be the"caucasian"heritage & features in him or something.
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lol just being troublesome again, my bad; as you were.... 
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Posted: Wednesday March 3rd, 2004 10:19 |
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To silentjoy,
Well Silentjoy, maybe you should stay silent as your profilename suggest  No matter what you say East Africa is in Africa. That's a fact, that's something you can't say about your country. I can call my myself AFRICAN, but can you? You don't even have a history my friend.
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Posted: Wednesday March 3rd, 2004 10:59 |
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@Fredblack
Although you said your comment was not directed at me only I would like to respond if I may.
I concede that the word 'racism' which I used is wrong. I would like to change this for the word 'Prejudice' = 'Unreasonable opinion or dislike'
I would also like to say that just because this prejudice has not reached the level of house burning, it makes it no more acceptable.
Have you read the above comment made by the likes of Michael and Silentjoy. This is the type prejudice rubbish that I am talking about.!
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Posted: Wednesday March 3rd, 2004 11:01 |
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@ Michael
I understand that Silentjoys remark is uncalled for and you may not agree, but what you talking about???
a) Do you know where Silentjoy comes from?
b)What black person has no history?? Maybe if you knew yours you would know this.
If you're going to do a comeback, then make it make sense!!!
@ Silentjoy
This guy is not from UK and obviously is not around enough Jamaicans etc to know s*it. But when you put comments like that in you:
a) Confirm their 'so-called' belief that people are looking down on them etc.
b) Actually instigate the arguing because NOBODY is going to make their people get cuss and not respond / defend it.
It is not alright for you to say that stuff and not expect retaliation. His question could have been phrased better but since asking it he is accepting how it has come across.
You and ChiChi are starting the actual slating of people and are generalising more than Michael. "These East African people" etc. Does that include Kenya, Tanzania??? If someone was saying "Those Caribbeans" and they are only speaking of Dominicans (for e.g) the rest of us would jump on them in a heartbeat.
You're both saying that their input on the forums are not positive etc and you are starting the same virus.
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Posted: Wednesday March 3rd, 2004 11:13 |
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as a nigerian, i suffered the same fate. my features hindered me and became the causefor plenty comedy at my expense but, as time passes, so did my feelings of hate for those who said things.
to some, ignorance is bliss but ignornace doesnt get me down.
CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?! lol
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Posted: Wednesday March 3rd, 2004 12:15 |
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@Fredblack
Point noted on big island small island thing used this (maybe incorrectly maybe not) to illustrate the divide and rule game being played on us and that some of us get into being players in whether consciously or not.
@Chi Chi
Whether Somalians are pro/anti Africa does not change the material fact that they are African. If we want to talk about 'backward thinking Africans' then there are a whole heap spread across the globe from Jamaica to Nigeria.
Most people become extremely defensive in the face of attacks (whether real or perceived) which is what alot of y'all are doing here. But attacks should targetted at the incorrect ideas of our own unless we consider them such a danger
We should focus our energies on attacking our real enemies who are not Africans whether from Jamacian or Somalia or elsewhere
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Posted: Wednesday March 3rd, 2004 12:19 |
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The greatest misconception prevailing -in our communities -Is the foolhardy pressumption- that all so called black races are the same-Thats a lie, which is not supported by biological and genetic facts-Black Africans and Black Westindians are simply not the same.
Our arguments -are very ancient-The black carribeans consider themselves above every nation and race -it is because we are-and thats a fact
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Posted: Wednesday March 3rd, 2004 12:25 |
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Your are right -He who knows not and knows not he knows not -he is a fool teach him-Amateurs built the titantic-professionals built the ark-
A few facts -the titantic sank
The ark survived -the greatest disaster-upon the planet -earth-gio archealogist scientist-call the flood -crustal displacement-what happened then -was a major shift of unimaginable proportion that rocked the world and destroy all its inhabitants-save those that entered the ark
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Posted: Wednesday March 3rd, 2004 12:42 |
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@ Darkcassanova
If you believe that, and that the animals went in two by two - but that's a whole 'nother thread!
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