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Posted: Friday August 29th, 2003 06:52 |
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| this random thought popped into my mind the other day. i was thinking about skin colour and the way i feel about racism. then i started to think about mixed relationships and wondred if, say in 3000 years time (if dis planet is still here), if we will have mixed soo much that we will all be practically da same colour................. say light brown for arguments sake. what do u think???
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Posted: Friday August 29th, 2003 06:59 |
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Oh my gosh Chique I was having this very same conversation with a friend of mine just today, his point was that the world would be a better place if it was totally mixed and eliminated Black and white as a seperate colour issue
My argument was that life is more than colour, it's culture, it's class, it money and certainly other factors
When you elimate one thing, the focus is on another... but the major argument is between east and western cultures...
If the world was totally mixed, we would not want to get rid of our cultural history... maybe the west would be happy with that......
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Posted: Friday August 29th, 2003 07:05 |
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Chique & Menzer: It will NEVER EVER happen, for a start Africans outnumber European by approx 10-1, plus the birth rate in the so called developed worlds is falling rapidly..whereas the rate in Africa is rising...Added to which there is absolutely no way that the ruling or the middle classes will allow the possiblity of a beige multi cultural world...
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Posted: Friday August 29th, 2003 07:13 |
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This is a really cool concept. I can't really invision society itself, or be able to ponder examples of life on gene-friendly earth, but I'm sure everyting would be alot more PC in terms of race relations.
The only possible risk to it will be space travel. Humans will continue to populate habitable places in space -not unlike original expansion from Africa to rest of earth- and the settlers will adapt to specialize in local environments.
After thousands of years, there would be humans whose origins come from adaptions to zero gravity, and artificial light/atmosphere. There would be humans with attributes that came from living in 8x earth gravity, and light from 2 stars. Travelling humans with a little bit of gene pool from a variety of places. Etc etc etc.
Rephrasing original close: Humans who's origin is one environment, could form opinions about the humans from others.
Maybe some globally/universally recognized 'objective philosophy' will become standard practice, and the fact that EVERYONE has a place of origin will equate to common idiosyncracy.
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Posted: Friday August 29th, 2003 07:22 |
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Even though it 'may never happen'.... We wont live long enough to know.... True say that genes being genes, somewhere along the line a totally black person or white will emerge...but lets take this matter from a hypothetical view.. and not elimate anything.... So lets question what would life be if it were totally mixed... and that there were no black or white....
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Posted: Friday August 29th, 2003 08:00 |
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Oh my gosh Chique I was having this very same conversation with a friend of mine just today, his point was that the world would be a better place if it was totally mixed and eliminated Black and white as a seperate colour issue
My argument was that life is more than colour, it's culture, it's class, it money and certainly other factors
menzer
really agree with u on that 1. thats whats most important in life and what defins us when it comes right down to it. not the colour of our skin. (in my oppinion. i know so many ppl think differently)
if we were all totally mixed and beige lol then there would be no racism on the basis of colour. there will always be ppl in this world with predjce tho. maybe it would be more focused on religion or socio economic status or somthing like that. dont think deregortary views will ever go away.
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Posted: Friday August 29th, 2003 08:12 |
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For one Kunjufu is being logical and has hit the nail on the head.
But just to entertain the notion here if everyone was mixed then the focus on race will just move onto culture. But if you think mixed race is the solution to racism you are very much wrong. If you look at mixed raced relationships it is one culture that has given in to the other therefore as much as you may delude yourself the children are not being raised to equally respect each culture as they should there is no balance.
In Western society people of other races are surrounded by forces desperately trying to erase away at their culture and traditions subtley done by promoting easier lifestyles etc so it is such a easier step for a mixed race child to fail into the culture that is easy accessable.
I remember years back watching a kilroy show (unfortunately) and it was about black children being fostered/adopted into white homes. However one couple in particular was a black women and a white man who adopted two mixed raced brothers and sisters.
A African man in the audience asked how did the mother and father ensure the children was getting knowledge of their black culture and the mothers response was I ensure they go to carnival every year. The African man laughed at them and the mixed race boy turned to him and said well what is so big about my black culture I am half Jamaican what is so big about it that I have missed out on.
Now the punchline is this mixed race boy that asked this question had dreadlocks and sporting red gold and green wristbands.........which the African man pointed out and said you ask me that question with your hair like that and you wearing those on your wrist......you are a product of what I fear confused about your identity
I have come across mixed race people who live and breath the white culture part of their race and like to just dabble in the African/Caribbean side when it comes to partying etc that is a false and misleading sense of our culture.
I have also said this before mixed race friends of mine are those who solely take on their African/Caribbean culture, people and friend gravitate to what they are comfortable with. So once again I repeat if everyone was mixed race you will have cultural division......but this will never happen anyway.
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Posted: Friday August 29th, 2003 08:35 |
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madfet........
ok so what about a person that has a nigeran mother and a jamaican father for arguments sake. are they not mixed raced? could they not be confused about thier identy? is everyone not mixed raced in one way or the other? with white and black mixed raced chilred or the like it is just more obvious and then this comes back to taking things on face value. which is exacly what racism is.
everyone is confused about their identy. for example an overweight persom whos weight does not direltly affect thier health may strive for the whole of thier lives to become slim. becuase of what society says and the way they want to be concieved as a person.
in resopne to the thing u said about black/white children leaning more to the black side of thier culture. well let me tell u why. if a person of this general ethnic backgroung walks into a room full of white ppl the first thing the white ppl will notice is the balckness in them. if they walked into a room full of balck ppl they instantly feel more at home. this is why, i believe, it is like this.
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Posted: Friday August 29th, 2003 08:55 |
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@ chique
First let me say race is different from nationality please don't confuse the two. I take it you mean a Nigerian and Jamaican both black well they are both the same race which is African, so in that instance there may be a cultural struggle (just like in your world of mixed race people scenerio). Howeve in my experience with friends in this situation a Nigerian and Jamaican manage to have a much more positive balance of the two cultures than say a white with black cultures.
If you had two people born in Jamaica one is of African descent and the other is Chinese but both were born in Jamaica and had a child that child will still be mixed race a combination of African and Asian.
Your not the only one to make this mistake I came across this frequently especially amongst the youths. This idea of a so called one big melting pot is creating nothing but confusion on identity race nationality culture etc.
Your last point about a mixed race person being more comfortable in a room of black is not always the case especially if the mixed race person leans more to their white culture side.
But hey listen I got to sleep now got a big day tomorrow (later today), I will try and address this more. Also this topic was covered extensively in the old Blacknet Forum under interacial relationships.
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Posted: Sunday August 31st, 2003 07:07 |
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I believe in kharma and i believe that
(remember me saying this)because of the
other mans (not the brothermans) destruction
of all the pure God given natural things on
this planet,the SUN of God will come and
make him extinct, after he runs for the caves.
The one thing the NOI say that is coming true
is that the white man we return back to his nature
in the last days.(Did you see madonna and the other
animals the other day?)
All the other dark skinned
people on the planet will enjoy the planet
and use their rebellious friends example to
learn from so it wont happen again. Meanwhile
our beautiful melanin will continue to be
enhanced by the SUN of God,making us blacker
and blacker(YEEEAH! ) as we enjoy heaven
on earth.
Be forever loving Thee and Keep a hold of everything
that makes you unique from the other man
and you'll be aaaight.
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Posted: Sunday August 31st, 2003 18:16 |
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| On the issue of mixed culture for example Nigerian and Jamaican, some of my friends who have that background have had positive experiences and some have had very negative experiences. I think it depends on the willingness to cooperate between the parents and their interest in giving the child well rounded feedback on their culture. I think where ever two 'divergent' cultures meet there will always be confusion , because of the faliure to reach consensus and fascination with what is 'right' or 'wrong'. As with merging into one I am with Menzer, even if the outer is the same other factors will divide people.
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Posted: Tuesday September 2nd, 2003 05:17 |
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Apparently Azaadi, no two cultures can conflict more
than African and western culture, otherwise its all
about finding whats in common and believe me theres
lots when you've travelled.
Eg.
Foo foo in africa ferrin in caribean
Oatmeal in America and it goes on and on.
I would'nt worry bout those minor differences man.
Only forseen problem is Religion.
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Posted: Tuesday September 2nd, 2003 06:16 |
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Thank you mr_blonde for your very objective anaylsis, and forecast. Typically, we do testing, but I can already tell by your commentary, you are insured a place in future society. In the event the post Fordian human race is in need of an inbred genome to script into a race of Epsilons, you or your corpse will be there to provide samples of DNA.
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Posted: Tuesday September 2nd, 2003 06:49 |
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Mr Blond: To clarify you are NOT welcome here unless you respect this forum, therefore for your information anything you post that disrespects the members of this forum will be deleted until you get it into your thick skull ok!!!
If you want to post your foolishness I suggest you try the kitty kat club or stupid_R_US.. I believe they have vacancies for people like you...
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Posted: Tuesday September 2nd, 2003 16:51 |
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Damn, that was quick,i didnt even see his reply
Picture that cracker masturbating over
our new forum 
Anyway I was saying:
"Apparently Azaadi, no two cultures can conflict more
than African and western culture, otherwise its all
about finding whats in common and believe me theres
lots when you've travelled.
Eg.
Foo foo in africa ferrin in caribean
Oatmeal in America and it goes on and on.
I would'nt worry bout those minor differences man.
Only forseen problem is Religion."
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Posted: Tuesday September 2nd, 2003 20:50 |
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| @ hesaid, very true about religion, that one is always going to be a can of worms.
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Posted: Thursday September 4th, 2003 09:08 |
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| Just wondered what are peoples views on interracial relationships, for example black and white
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Posted: Thursday September 4th, 2003 10:42 |
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Personally, I think it's a non-issue. It's hard enough finding the RIGHT person to be with based on the normal criteria (IE- is she smart; does she treat me right; is she cute; etc), let alone being finnicky enough to write off someone because of their race. That's not to say wanting to stick to one or the other is a bad thing (beauty is in the eyes blah blah blah).
BTW- curious as to why you focus on black to white rather than 'interacial dating' in general. It's not like the two are binary opposites in some sort of equation, or merging the two is like merging matter with antimatter. Maybe this topic is a trap.
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Posted: Thursday September 4th, 2003 15:46 |
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I went to a meeting yesterday that was being held by an organistaion which described itself as an arm of Buisiness links that was put in place to reach the Black Community to ensure that the services they were offering were fully utalised by the community, great you may think, but i have been to many of these type of meetings where some organistation/company has recieved funding from some government related body and have found the same people in attendance all the time and these people are already aware of what is available so do not need the info they are providing, I pointed out that I belive they were marketing themselves to wrong people, to my suprise they said that these were the right people and that 'Black People' as they used to be will be in the minority within 4yrs and children of 'Mixed Parents" will be the majority and that only the people who aspire to the so called new 'Multicultural Cultural' Britain will get any assistance. I felt they were trying to imply that those who support the 'Black community dilution' idea would be supported in order to help bring down those who will not comply, they even used the term "you can bring the horse to the water but you can't make it drink". The confusing thing to me is how can we allow people like this to represent us within the circles of government or any other controling body.
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Posted: Thursday September 4th, 2003 16:00 |
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I have NO PROBLEMS with interracial sex AS LONG AS IT'S PRACTICED FAIRLY AND EVENLY!
Don't be telling black men to stay loyal and condemn US for dipping our sticks into vanilla when WHITE MEN are allowed to have vanilla, chocolate, peanut butter, carmel, strawberry and every damn thing else and you don't hear a PEEP out of their women.
If you're gonna condemn BLACK MEN for chasing women of other races then condemn WHITE MEN for not only chasing but RAPING women of other races as well.
Word is bond kid, I can get with this "stick with your own" sh*t because it's like beating yourself with a whip for some weird religious ritual or something that serves no purpose.
What do you get out of it?
Like DJ Quik said--If it don't make dollaz it don't make sense!
Men are men, and we're gonna BE men so don't put a kid in a candy store and expect him not to want to try differnent flavors.
It just how God made us.
Now the problem comes in when you start dating interacially EXCLUSIVELY and start hating your own for some reason...that's a sickness.
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Posted: Thursday September 4th, 2003 19:12 |
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| @ Kareem where are you going with that men are men bit, you would better off saying thet you are you, and you will be you. I as a man pride myself in staying with my Black Women and not giving those white women the chance of experiencing anything that my Black Princess has or will experience (if you get my drift). I also find it difficult to understand how any black woman could allow a black man to enter her beloved and sacred centre after he has used his most respected possesion to enter the area of a white woman that was made soley for the white man.
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Posted: Thursday September 4th, 2003 23:26 |
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Dillinger:
You can pride YOURSELF in staying with black women but they ain't gonna pride THEMSELVES in staying with US unless we start getting on the ball and start gaining more power, wealth, and influence in the society. That's what women of all races love respect and admire and if we have THAT we wouldn't be having the problems that in our community that we're having today.
You don't catch the white man or Arab or Oriental running around talking the trash that so many of us talk about "Queen" this and "Queen" that and they date interracially at will..yet their women love and respect them a hell of a lot better than our's love and respect US.
Why is that?
It aint' got NOTHING to do with sitting on your woman's lap all day giving her funny faces and telling her how much you love and respect your "Queen" while your "Queen" gotta go out and work for white men every day because her KING can't provide for her or himself.
You may stick with your women but how long will your women stick with YOU? 
Nawww man....love and relationships don't work or live off of sweet talk.
As black men, we gotta start grabbing all the power, wealth, and influence we can in this society like everyone else and GIVE our women a reason to stay with us and want us around instead of relying on "brown skin" and expecting THAT to solidify a relationship.
Plus------
ANY MAN who says that he's ONLY attracted to a "certain" race of women and none other is ethier lying or gay!
I run into bruthaz all the time talking smack about, "Man...man dem white broads...see they ain't got sh*t on my queens...see...see they..." and as soon as a nice looking white girl flips her hair around him he starts looking crazy out the eyes and turning his head the other way like he was going through Christ's last tempation. 
I'm hearing people calling them "temptations" and "deceptive" and what not.....I didn't know they held THAT MUCH of an appeal to shake so many up like that!
Word is bond son, some people give white women ENTIRELY TOO MUCH CREDIT!
MEN ARE MEN AND WOMEN ARE WOMEN....
If black men wanna RESTRICT themselves to only black women then we're only gonna be the losers and fools while white men continue to have the fun.
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Posted: Thursday September 4th, 2003 23:41 |
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John Dillinger:
I don't blame THEM...I blame US for going for all these little silly terms like "colored" and "black" that white people PUT on us to separate us from the rest of humanity and we continue to indentify ourselves with it.
I don't know about you, but I've NEVER met any "black" people.
ALL PEOPLE OF OUR KIND ARE "BROWN".
Some light brown, others dark brown, others medium brown...but all within the range of brown.
Even most pure African people are just dark brown but we are all still of the same type and color ranging in different shaded.
Most "black" people in the West are of various mixtures of white ancestry up and down the ladder of history whether it was from slave rape or a white parent....but we're all in the same gang.
That includes your Puerto Rican, Brazilian, Cuban, and Dominican brothers.
So when you have a core of people who INSIST that we call ourselves something that we obviously aren't don't be suprised if there's confusion in our community from people who grew up mixed and taught that they don't fit THAT description.
We don't need to do like most Latinos and DENY our African ancestry...but we need to recognize that we are indeed a mixture of different races but are still ONE PEOPLE so mixed people and others won't feel left out of our ranks.
It needs to be stressed that WE'RE ALL MIXED no matter when it occured.
We need to come up with a new more universal term for our people no matter HOW they look or HOW MUCH white blood they may have so that they know that they're still apart of our family.
We need this so that our enemies won't continue to play us like Tiger Woods chumps.
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Posted: Friday September 5th, 2003 00:27 |
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Kareem!
You are a Wise Wise man x
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Posted: Friday September 5th, 2003 01:45 |
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Well Karim, what can I say at least you have laid your cards on the table. Any way in response to your post all I can say is that my woman (known to me as my princess) has every reason to stay with me, as I have every reason to stay whith her. If you wish to go with white women that is up to you. I and many black men like me prefer not to go there, my 'princess' and many women like her prefer not to indulge in sexual relations with white people (like many of the indians, chineses and other communities that choose to stay within their own communities), some go as far as saying it makes them feel sick even thinking about it, and the thought of going with a man that has been with a white woman is even worse.
What seems strange is that it seems like your trying to say that in order to succeed in this country you will have to have a white partner. By the way I and a lot of men I know don't find white women sexualy atractive, but in saying that I know a lot more that do. In reality it is people with your mindset that cause a problem within this community by filling the young peoples mind with foolishness.
p.s. You say that Men are Men so why is it that men go with Men, as i said Karim, you are you!
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Posted: Friday September 5th, 2003 02:00 |
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@Kareem
I have come to realise that you are a white man, please accept my apology if i am wrong but if you are not then you have truly been brain washed by one because i detect no 'blackness' in any of your postings and your reasoning is not one that bears any resmblance to that of someone who even remotely understands the problems within our community.
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Posted: Friday September 5th, 2003 02:09 |
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Dillinger:
So, what your saing is...
I don't think or sound like the average negro!
Well sir, I'll take that as a compiment because it's PRECISELY THE FOOLISH AND BACKWARDS THINKING OF MOST NEGROS that landed us in the situation we're in today!
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Posted: Friday September 5th, 2003 02:26 |
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Dillinger:
You say that Men are Men so why is it that men go with Men, as i said Karim, you are you!
Ha haaaa...!!!
I don't know chief....not THIS man!
But hell, even SISSIES love to go interracial!!!!
Now, don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with a brutha ONLY dating his own women..(if we can actually pin-point who our own actually are) I ain't mad at him.
Hell, I go out with mostly sistaz myself because they are who I'm most attracted to.
I'm just saying that as BLACK MEN in on this planet...we are among the most hated and despised beings for one reason or another and we are in NO POSITION to start restricting and limiting ourselves to "this" or "that" type of women. We better be trying to win as many on our side as possible while interracial relationships are STILL LEGAL in the West!
In America, the problem isn't really with white people, but with these Arabs, Orientals and Indians and other types of people of color who restrict and threaten their women not to associate with AfroAmerican men while allowing them to freely date white men.
This is pure racism on their part and I heard that Asians in Europe are a little more inclusive but STILL are more racist and segregative against Africans, West Indians, and other "black" people there as well.
We gotta start learning who our friends and enemies are and deal with them WISELY.
"Keeping to your own" is a pretty cool POLITICAL STATEMENT, but on a strategic level---it's virtual suicide because we're painting ourselves into a corner.
Like I said,
As black men we are in NO position to be turning down women of other races and restricting ourselves!
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Posted: Friday September 5th, 2003 02:36 |
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| Yo thats racist blud, stop spoutin that self righteous sh it, ur livin in a multi cutural society and with that attitude will get nowhere, in fact u remind me of the white man spittin hatred for the blk man. ANd yea im mixed, brought up in a blk community, do u have a view on that?
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Posted: Friday September 5th, 2003 03:03 |
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@ Kareem
Believe me when I say I think something is wrong with you when you start talking about dating from a strategic point of veiw. Let me tell you something, I am a proud black man with a proud black woman I can say I have a succesful business which I run along side my princess and the best part of the whole thing is that neither of us had to comprimise our moral beliefs in order to achieve!
I have turned down women from other races, as my preference is for women from my own.
Again i say at least you have laid your cards on the table. The question I have to ask is how many women actualy agree with your point of view!
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Posted: Friday September 5th, 2003 03:17 |
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Yo thats racist blud, stop spoutin that self righteous sh it, ur livin in a multi cutural society and with that attitude will get nowhere, in fact u remind me of the white man spittin hatred for the blk man. ANd yea im mixed, brought up in a blk community, do u have a view on that?
@ Article Dodger
The fact that we are living in a multiculteral society does not mean every body should be sleeping with every body that is a multisexual society which i dont agree with as that includes man sleeping with man. The point there is that 'culteral' does not equal 'sexual'.
And infact I am some where the question is where are you?
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Posted: Friday September 5th, 2003 04:41 |
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Not being funny but your last response is that of a NEGRO!!!, not a black man fi real, I find it strange that when Dillinger aired his view that he 'could not detect any blackness in your postings', you reply with the statement 'I don't think or sound like the average negro! - Where did Negro come into this, or do i detect an undercover hatred of Black people? and if you are black then an undercover hatred of ones self.
Kareem Quote: ALL PEOPLE OF OUR KIND ARE "BROWN". ??????
Kareem, I think you need to understand that black is more than just a colour.... Eh up a kid.... 'ere's a universal name for the New Culture you was looking for... MUD UP!!!.....
Just remember this: Black is a way of life, it's a culture which should be preserved... and respected just like all other cultures, it should be built on solid grounds, cared for and nurtured. So we grow strong and stand tall,
FOR WE ARE WHO WE ARE...
And no matter what level we reach in life, no matter where we go, we will keep that with us.
Last edited on Friday September 5th, 2003 04:43 by Menzer
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