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Posted: Sunday September 14th, 2003 07:08 |
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 , Kareem. Newsflash . Stand corrected my brother. I have got it wrong, misread. Well that explains it, or makes it more clearer then. Peace...
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Posted: Monday September 15th, 2003 06:27 |
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@ The Truth
Erm just a little correction at the begining of your post.
Let me break this down to all of you - i agree with kareem on the whole and deep down we ALL know he is right.
should read as
Let me break this down as I see it - i agree with kareem on the whole and deep down he is right based on my standard and how I see things and accept things.
don't you think.
@ Kareem
You asked me some questions I see
Who do you think is the biggest threat-- TO WHOM KAREEM
1)A black man who screws white women ? – Not a threat to me at all to even contemplate it as a threat is a waste of my precious time. I have told you before different strokes for different folks just don’t lie about they reasons why.
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2)A black man in the U.S. or British military engaging in war? - I have also said before sign a deal with the devil and just sit and wait till they come for your soul. ….do I need to repeat myself.
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3)A black man who gang-bangs and sells dope? – Black Doctors and pharmacists are doing this daily and legally too.
Let me ask you a simple question.......how do you know that the same men that are drooling over Beyonce is also not drooling over say Lauryn Hill and Nia Long and love all shades of black women?
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Posted: Monday September 15th, 2003 17:03 |
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@ The Truth
Erm just a little correction at the begining of your post.
Let me break this down to all of you - i agree with kareem on the whole and deep down we ALL know he is right.
should read as
Let me break this down as I see it - i agree with kareem on the whole and deep down he is right based on my standard and how I see things and accept things.
don't you think.
Pity you had to "point" that out as it was quite obvious he was rather misguided in his response, but I  anyway.
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Posted: Monday September 15th, 2003 20:08 |
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What of the sistahs who not only date (as I'd go on a date with practically anyone provided they have good personal hygiene) but marry white then encourage their friends to do the same and justify it with "it's better to be with a white than to be alone"?
I was out and about over the weekend and swear I saw more black women with white partners and mixed raced kids than usual. Is that just me, or has there been a proliferation of such mixing?
I once met a friend who has 6 brothers and sisters, all 4 brothers had mixed raced kids while the sisters had none. One brother had one daughter with a black woman and she felt ill-at-ease just in the way she behaved among her cousins during the 6 hours I was with them. Is this the state of things to come?
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Posted: Monday September 15th, 2003 22:20 |
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hmmmmmm lets see,
a blk man tellin a next blk man that he should only be wid a blk woman and disrespecting his views,opinions and reasoning for the sake of his own isn't tryin to create racial tension? I personnaly dont give a  who u date, frenchconnectionuk or wat eva! u bang wat u bang, woman is woman, dont get it twisted.
Wat the mans tryin to say is stick to ur own that constitutes racism to me, summat like segregation. exactly what malcom and martin fought against, so tha blk peeps cud do as they pleased, sit where they want, eat wat they want, catch a bus where they want and ....yep...even date wat they want.
AND wat u talkin about a multicultural society menas man been wid man? u keep talkin about this issue, do u have a deeper underlying argument?
I'll bang a white gyal if i wanna, cos i can, or a blk gyal cos i can or even a asian gyal COS I CAN......ain't no body no where tellin me who i can sex and if u have a problem cos a blk man wants to date interracially, and by a problem i mean it offends U personnaly even tho it has NOT A DAMN thing to do with you then u have problems.
U know the sayin each to their own, so let the man be if thats his view.....
OH and as a mixed heritage yout i have no problem identifying who or where i am from, i am MIXED HERITAGE, not blk, white or asian, but a combination of all and thgat where i hail from. If u check ur roots im sure u'll find the white man in your family tree, and if you hail from the west indies, ur dam sure to find asian man in there. so check ur history b4 talkin bout histroy
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Posted: Monday September 15th, 2003 22:40 |
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Chique,
Before we started to list mixed-race people as biracial, I have never understood how could a child from that heriatge be called a singular race when one of the parents is one race and the other parent comes from another race? When my sister was dating her ex-boyfriend, she would talk with her boyfriends sister in law, who is White. She would get mad at that and at first, I didn't get her anger and in some ways I thought that she was disrespecting Black culture because at that time, a mixed-race child was called Black at the time before the other/bi/multiracial category was brought up in my state. Now I realize that she wasn't trying to do such(disrespecting Black culture) she wanted some inclusiveness about herself, her culture and just the idea of a mixed-race child is classified as Black if one of the parents isn't.( From the last that I've heard about her, she's still with her husband of almost 15 years with a second son.)
I was also thinking about Bi-racial in another way far as a non-Black/White classification. Many of them are classified as White or bi-racial if they choose. I have never got that other than it being a pass excuse to including/excluding people. I don't care how dark skinned or how ethnic that child looks, if none of the parents are Black then they are called "White" or "White Ethnic". If a Black person has straight blonde hair light skin and different colored eyes, they are still called Black and at the most of not being called Black bi-/multiracial. Black people/biracial people cannot be called White no matter how White they appear to look.
Everytime I would see a bi-racial person, I didn't say they was one or the other because to me it's impossible to be one race when one of your parents isn't from the opposite race and I've thought like this since I was little. Besides, if I had a bi-racial child, I would want my kid to acknowledge who they truly are because to me it is a form of in direct disrespect of the one of the parents.
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Posted: Monday September 15th, 2003 23:16 |
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Interestingly enough this subject was brought up at lunch time. Someone was recounting a story of her uncle who was at her Grandma's a family dinner and she hadn't seen this uncle for a long time. He is married to a white lady and they live outside London. She stated that she was gobsmacked by the raw East End cockney slang that he was spouting "Yeah luv, cum raand the 'aase an' we'll go daan-na pub fir a drink etc., etc". The person stated how embarrased she was and those around the table were cringing and her Grandmother silently put her index finger to her mouth in a silent plea for this girl not to react!! The other side of the coin is that the wife is what would be termed a "wannabe-black", she tries to talk street slang, cook and dress accordingly.
I know a guy who, if he was walking behind you, would think it was Phil Mitchell on a bad day!! He's into heavy metal and drinking aside from that he's a sweet guy in that he's really helpful and would do anything for you. But I can't help cringing every time he talks, especially when he's addressing his white counterparts it does sound really "alien", particularly when they speak in the so-called "Queen's English" and you're hearing this 6ft dark-skinned black guy with a scar down his cheek sounding like someone who would get a good role in "Only Fools 'n' Horses" and yet he appreciates beauty in women be they black or white, he doesn't really care. Really at the end of the day, who is he harming, certainly not me, he's respectful and caring.
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Posted: Tuesday September 16th, 2003 00:11 |
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 U know what i'm so sick and tired of this badgerin the black man bulls**t what a STUPID QUESTION. So stupid that i'm not even going to quote it. All jokes aside u so called nubian queens have got a cheek. But dats cool cause y'all go on like it's easier 4 us to get a black girl than it is to get a white one.Catch my drift DON'T PLAY GAMES.
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Posted: Tuesday September 16th, 2003 00:48 |
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Dillinja:
The white people seem as though they will never apolgise for what there ancesters had done to the Africans through enslavement, but the fact is every time someone stands up to be counted as a proud 'Black Man or Woman' those very same white people remember it was they (the whites) who tried to put us down using the name 'blacks' but it was us the oppressed that that put the Power into 'Black Power'.
What does the "feelings of white people" and them not apologizing for slavery have to do with determining our ACTUAL IDENTITY??
We should deal with each issue on an ideal and individual basis instead of bouncing around to different reasons why we do what we do.
Grass is green no matter what the weather, right?
The sea is blue even if people wanna call it red and pollute it, right?
Reality and nature doesn't change REGARDLESS of circumstances.
Just because white people CALLED us black throught out most of our history and we like it better than n*gger...doesn't mean it's the RIGHT name for us. We shouldn't let our emotions carry us outside of reality and force us to accept an identity not becoming of us out of anger and feelings of unacceptance.
The original African tribes never refered to themselves as "black" OR African so we shouldn't be so adamant about these erroneous terms of describing ourselves.
Why not just start calling ourselves "brown"? 
It's a hell of a lot more accurate and will connect us more with our peoples in Latin America as well as help those of mixed parentage who don't see themselves as "black", feel more comfortable in knowing they're apart of us.
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Posted: Tuesday September 16th, 2003 01:21 |
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Hesaid:
I was just wondering when she'd find her
unwanted, confused,house negro ass back here,
like the other white posters she just cant leave
our BLACK attractive sit alone and as much as she
us under the impression that we (black men) are
useless and bed anything, that there is
ONE EVEN ME A BLACK MAN would'nt touch.
Sheeeyyyiiidd.....
I bet that Tasmanian-Devil is a straight up WILD CAT in the sack! 
I heard about mouth-foaming freaks like that.
She'd probably hop on you and wouldn't know how to stop or control herself!
...have a brutha running out the room naked and locking her ass in until I'm healed up and ready again!
But uhhhh  on a fa'real tip......
I wouldn't wanna be in the same room with that fire-breathing dragon when she'ss spitting and arguing with her computer!  -----  --------
Fredblack:
People, think we should take brother Dada's suggestion of directing particularly new people and those who only want to use our time to promote white supremacy [eg why black men do this or that or other nonsense], to old Forum discussion
Yes, and also I think it's the format and structure of this forum.
1)The latest posts are always up front no matter what the subject so it's like the first thing you see and MUST notice it.
It's hard to have a good conversation in your particular subject like that.
2)There is no interracial dating section in this forum so people routinely toss it in the first forum they see or whichever one they think will draw the most attention--- Black Mens'\Women's forum or Open forum.
Maybe the moderators\administrator should start a section for interracial relationships and move all the threads to THAT forum to keep the others clear.
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Posted: Tuesday September 16th, 2003 02:18 |
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Kareem
You couldnt have said it any better.
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Posted: Tuesday September 16th, 2003 05:02 |
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"The sea is blue even if people wanna call it red and pollute it, right?"
Just a nautical viewpoint but I think you'll find the sea is not blue, it just appears blue.
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Posted: Tuesday September 16th, 2003 08:27 |
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Mafdet:
A black man who screws white women ? – Not a threat to me at all to even contemplate it as a threat is a waste of my precious time. I have told you before different strokes for different folks just don’t lie about they reasons why.
I TOLD you the reason why but you couldn't handle it sweet-heart....
You just kept journeying off into some esoteric sh*t of "deeper meanings" or something I haven't the slightest knowledge of.
Let me ask you a simple question.......how do you know that the same men that are drooling over Beyonce is also not drooling over say Lauryn Hill and Nia Long and love all shades of black women?
Nia Long????
They might be but BEYONCE AIN'T A SHADE OF BLACK WOMEN.
As far as the sub-concious goes, she's basiclly a white girl with a slight tan!!!!!
The entire point is, if a black man finds---
light skin
straight hair
blonde hair
keen features
Attactive on a "black" woman...then he finds it attractive on WHITE WOMEN as well and they are DOMINANT in these features.
He just ain't admitting it!
AQ:
Did you use to be a cheerleader in high-school?
You use to be a pom-pom girl?
Guyane:
What of the sistahs who not only date (as I'd go on a date with practically anyone provided they have good personal hygiene) but marry white then encourage their friends to do the same and justify it with "it's better to be with a white than to be alone"?
I was out and about over the weekend and swear I saw more black women with white partners and mixed raced kids than usual. Is that just me, or has there been a proliferation of such mixing?
I'm telling you son. 
Some of these sistaz want to have their chocolate and eat it too!!!
They wanna keep us bruthaz all to themselves and don't wanna see the world blessed by our musk-o-tail but as soon as THEY see a white man they like----they don't listen to a WORD we say!
They say,
------"To hell with the movement and loyalty...Ize go git me a white mane!!!!"
When BLACK MEN mess around with other women...other bruthaz CONDEMN us.
When BLACK WOMEN mess around with other men....other sistaz PRAISE AND ENCOURAGE them!
------"You go 'head guuurrll cuz...you know...cuz..deez n*ggaz ain't 'bout sh*t NO WAY!!!"
.....ain't that what they say?
...and I bet them British sistaz can laid dooowwnnn some cussin' once they get their mouths all twisted up!!!
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Posted: Tuesday September 16th, 2003 17:05 |
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AQ:
Did you use to be a cheerleader in high-school?
You use to be a pom-pom girl?
Go with God!!
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Posted: Wednesday September 17th, 2003 00:25 |
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Mixed raced relationships are a beautiful thing, beautifil children 9 times out of 10 come from them. They also banquish rascism bit by bit cause the children grow up in a multi-cultural environment.They even say that in 400 hundred generations their wont be a pure race left. Lets face black people u can't say that u haven't bumped into someone beautiful that hasn't been black. I personally right now choose black women because on a spiritual level we click. But thats just in my experience i mean come on there's 3.5 billion women on this planet and thats soon to increase.
Why limit yourself? Why not try chocolate chip? Why not try butter scotch u get one life and i for one choose to be a free thinker. Attraction is a basic human instincts so why try and deny it just because your fams and piers don't do it. Are they u? All they can have is their veiws so why should that dictate your life. Are we as black people so insecure that we can't step outside our own race because of what people think? Physically, and mentally for that matter does it make u any less black?... No it says that u are an open minded individual who appreciate the differences in people . Not someone who stereotypes cause lets face it we should be the first too relise that stereotype mean zip.
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Posted: Wednesday September 17th, 2003 00:32 |
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| Good to see i'm not the only black man who feels that way.Maybe a bit graphic in parts but f**k it use the shock factor.
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Posted: Wednesday September 17th, 2003 00:54 |
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Shinobi wrote:
Mixed raced relationships are a beautiful thing, beautifil children 9 times out of 10 come from them. They also banquish rascism bit by bit cause the children grow up in a multi-cultural environment.They even say that in 400 hundred generations their wont be a pure race left. Lets face black people u can't say that u haven't bumped into someone beautiful that hasn't been black. I personally right now choose black women because on a spiritual level we click. But thats just in my experience i mean come on there's 3.5 billion women on this planet and thats soon to increase.
Why limit yourself? Why not try chocolate chip? Why not try butter scotch u get one life and i for one choose to be a free thinker. Attraction is a basic human instincts so why try and deny it just because your fams and piers don't do it. Are they u? All they can have is their veiws so why should that dictate your life. Are we as black people so insecure that we can't step outside our own race because of what people think? Physically, and mentally for that matter does it make u any less black?... No it says that u are an open minded individual who appreciate the differences in people . Not someone who stereotypes cause lets face it we should be the first too relise that stereotype mean zip.
It's not that some black people are scared to 'step outside our own race' why they don't date others, it's just that they find members of the opposite sex within their own race so beautiful that they choose not to look elsewhere. All this talk about being 'one race' or whatever in the future is nonsense, beacause as long as there are humans on this planet, there will always be those who choose to marry their own and reproduce with their own.
So what if there are those of us who choose to 'limit' ourselves? It doesn't make us any less happier or fulfilled than those who choose to be 'open' when it comes to dating options.
Some may disagree, but ANY black person who feels they can achieve the same ultimate amount of happiness and spiritual togetherness with someone of another race is really deluding themselves.
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Posted: Wednesday September 17th, 2003 20:16 |
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| Prince Hakeem i can assure u that the last thing i am is dellusional and to be honest i don't get your thinking in that particuler little quote. Like i said u can't so easily stereotype black people but you've gone straight ahead anyway. Not to sound rude but u don't know me u don't know what kind of a person i am, so how can u label me dellusional if u don't know how i interact with people of different races. I was brought up in an all black family my father a 7 day adventist who believed only dating your own race. My mother a free thinker who didn't disriminate so i have a better vantage point than most sier. Shinobi.
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Posted: Wednesday September 17th, 2003 21:29 |
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Prince Hakeem i can assure u that the last thing i am is dellusional and to be honest i don't get your thinking in that particuler little quote. Like i said u can't so easily stereotype black people but you've gone straight ahead anyway. Not to sound rude but u don't know me u don't know what kind of a person i am, so how can u label me dellusional if u don't know how i interact with people of different races. I was brought up in an all black family my father a 7 day adventist who believed only dating your own race. My mother a free thinker who didn't disriminate so i have a better vantage point than most sier. Shinobi.
Read what I said:
Some may disagree, but ANY black person who feels they can achieve the same ultimate amount of happiness and spiritual togetherness with someone of another race is really deluding themselves.
I see no reference to you at all, and neither have I claimed to 'know' you.
Also, show me where I've 'stereotyped' black people in my post?
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Posted: Wednesday September 17th, 2003 21:55 |
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"Some may disagree, but ANY black person who feels they can achieve the same ultimate amount of happiness and spiritual togetherness with someone of another race is really deluding themselves. "
With all due respect, did you mean what you said in the above statement?
I'm just thinking within the parameters of our race in terms of achieving happiness and spiritual togetherness. Some of us have trouble dating each other if we're not of the same "tribe". I've been to Barbados and seen how they react to women of other islands, they positively hate the thought that they might somehow "take away our men". And you know the one about caribbeans dating africans!! Too many times I've heard girlfriends relate experiences of dating african men and complaining that they find it distinctly rude when they meet their fellow compatriots and a riot of language is spoken without thought to the one who has no knowledge of the language. In terms of communication, I basically I tell them to go learn the language the same way one would learn french or italian if they were going abroad. In terms of relationship, well sh"t happens and maybe that person wasn't for you in the first place. A Ghanian guy told me that it's important that people from the Dispora shoould take the time to learn the language, of course I do believe it's quite rude to talk in another language in front of one who is unfamiliar, it's just basic bad manners but there is a counter-action to that. Then there's the one about africans only dating caribbean women until they actually get married....to an african wife because the claim is their families have hang ups about caribbean women, etc., etc., yada, yada, yada!!
We have some serious issues to get over.
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Posted: Wednesday September 17th, 2003 22:37 |
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@AQ
What you related to me are are just examples of pettiness that occurs within African communities from time to time, but the fact is it doesn't change what I said at all. I'm from a Jamaican family and I've known of extreme examples where people feel funny towards people of other parishes. That's just human nature.
What I said may have sounded point blank but I still stand by my comment. I have dated African women in the past and I have never had to compromise or feel uneasy when it comes to discussing and dealing with issues relating to the black community. Sure we've had our obvious differences, but we never let it get in the way because I, and the women I've dated, always had that special bond that could not have been achieved had we dated Europeans.
I would feel more complete with Ogechi from Nigeria than I would with Sarah from Kent. I have a friend who dated a white girl who would accept black issues but only to the degree in which SHE felt comfortable. Eventually they had to part ways, but now he's dating a Ghanian woman and he's never been so spiritually happy and satisfied in his life..and he comes from a Bajan background.
I'm not knocking people who date interracially, but it's obvious that you have a lot more in common with your own than you do others. I've spoken to alot of people in interracial relationships and they themselves have told me that while they love their partners, they miss the 'blackness' that they would have had if they had dated a fellow black person. I've very rarely come across Caribbean/African relationships where there has been major problems.
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Posted: Wednesday September 17th, 2003 23:45 |
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 Okay we've obviously got mixed up along the way somewhere. They say a picture speaks a thousand words  p.s keep dat bunny rabbit bless.
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| hi there - i read your post and found your views fascinating but i need to speak to you urgently . Can you give me a ring on xxxxx asap. I’ll be at work til midnight tonight and would love to speak you. Leave your name and number if I don’t answer and I’ll give you a bell back straight away. laura Last edited on Thursday September 18th, 2003 13:27 by Dillinger
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Posted: Thursday September 18th, 2003 04:13 |
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Shinobi wrote:
Okay we've obviously got mixed up along the way somewhere. They say a picture speaks a thousand words p.s keep dat bunny rabbit bless.
No, not "we". You.
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Posted: Thursday September 18th, 2003 05:07 |
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i'm doing a tv program for BBC1 tomorrow lunchtime THURSDAY 17TH SEPTEMBER in london on inter racial relationships and I am still at work trying to find people like you lot to come talk ....so can someone call me....i'll be here till midnight...xxxxxxxx- you've all got great opinions and i know it's short notice but we arrange all travel, cover expenses and can deal with loss of earnings and childcare...so even if you think you're at work tomorrow - give me a ring - because if you got something to say - then I'd love to hear it - there;s always wys around the, logistics and i've been following your posts and i really need you guy!
so give me a ring... please....
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Posted: Thursday September 18th, 2003 05:20 |
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Laura: Personally I won't be accepting your invite not my bag sorry, although I'm sure you'll find someone...maybe you ought to try EPN (they seem to like the limelight overthere.) That said I have to say that you might have had a better response if you had been more up front from the get go..instead of all the ambiguity in your earlier posts...
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Posted: Thursday September 18th, 2003 05:23 |
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I see mixed race people as: mixed race black people. They are a branch of the great black family -and an important branch at that- whether they choose to acknowledge belonging or not. 99.9 percent of black people in the country acknowledge,recognise, accept mixed race people as being of the black race. In other parts of the world though, mixed race people are encouraged not to think of themselves as black and that can cause problems. For example in all of Africa the Caribbean and South America mixed race people are given s great leeway to reclassify themselves as biracial, which most do. In Trinidad, its a badge of pride to have white/spanish/asian blood etc etc. In Jamaica, mixed blood is a virtual passport to the good life..you dont have to have much brains, but if you've got the right blood, you could run the island. Thankfully, most mixed race people have used that influence and leeway to help uplift black people I am talking here about Bob Marley,Frederick Douglass,WEB Dubois, Paul Boateng(just joking) Oona King(I Jest) Malcolm X, Booker T Washington, Angela Davis,Halle Berry(weell) Dorothy Dandridge, etc ect
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Posted: Thursday September 18th, 2003 06:41 |
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Prince Hakeem: OK point taken. You're right the pettiness, there's also the "shadism" aspect as well which is soooo ridiculous but I admit to having a pechant for dark skin men (haba, haba). For myself, I feel complete being with a black man, so I understand your point from the spiritual side.
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Posted: Thursday September 18th, 2003 06:51 |
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Kunjufu wrote:
Laura: Personally I won't be accepting your invite not my bag sorry, although I'm sure you'll find someone...maybe you ought to try EPN (they seem to like the limelight overthere.) That said I have to say that you might have had a better response if you had been more up front from the get go..instead of all the ambiguity in your earlier posts...
What I had added to the above post and it didn't paste in: Ooh "K" you no "h-eeessyyyy"
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Posted: Thursday September 18th, 2003 14:08 |
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| Look we could fire lyrics back and fourth all day lets just SQUASH IT!
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Posted: Friday September 19th, 2003 03:15 |
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| Kareem I'm only attracted to Black Women only and if you ever called me 'gay' mate I'd floor you quicker than you can say Mr Sheen. plus you sound like one of those fake American 'wannabes', you probably can't get any decent Black Women.
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