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Posted: Friday September 5th, 2003 07:53 |
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Talk it like it is Kareem, You're an Afro American having a discussion with a Blackman, what makes you feel by me being a moderator makes a difference...
I respect your views, coz you are who you are... unless of course you felt like disrespecting my views?
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Posted: Friday September 5th, 2003 07:57 |
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Menzer:
Yes Yes Kareem, I see your disassociation from the Black community, very good... indeed you are in your rights to class yourself as AFRO AMERICAN, I suppose that's your way of fitting in and saying to your master country that 'hey I'm just like you' and I am a higher person than those Black people in the world.... Let me clean ya boot mas'ta
Menzer...WHAT BLACK COMMUNITY?????
English and the love of big a*sses are the only thing uniting the English speaking "black" communities around the globe culturally speaking and the SPANISH speaking "black" people are even FURTHER divided and separated from us.
I didn't have a choice at being BORN in America nor did YOU have a choice at being BORN in England but where did you go to school? what type of culture did you grow up around? what type of foods did you eat on a regular basis?
Do you live in England RIGHT NOW?
If you don't like the culture...WHY?
You say English isn't your culture because of some big-tittied white woman and THAT'S enough to turn you off..would you rather a big-booty sista to pop out of the zine?
You say English isn't your culture but you WORK, LIVE, SPEAK, AND WRITE ENGLISH---THE PROPER BRITISH WAY--and this let's everyone know where you're from whether you like it or not.
So my question to you is, do you and massa argue over what color "brown" should be called right before you polish his ENGLISH LEATHER boots? 
My point is?, by calling my self Afro British is my acceptance to the British value system which to be quite honest is all about money and greed just like America. The western world is destructive, they rip cultures apart and believe their way is the right way... and if you don't conform to their way, they destroy your country and it's own values.
Western culture has a lot of faults but I SURE as hell don't wanna go back to "African" culture!
For what?
So I can go right back to being a victim again?
So Arabs or Indians or Koreans can turn around and have THEIR turn at making a slave out of me too?
Hell no, I ain't trying to go back to the same vulnerable and inferior position we were in when we were taken advantage of!
Give me the corrupt but domineering Western system over the docile\naive African system ANY DAY!
Dillinger: 
Can you show me WHAT tribe in Africa the world "black" came from?
Can you show me WHAT tribe in Africa CALLS themselves "black"?
If you can not do this then can you explain to me where the word "BLACK" came from and who invented it that we should be so proud and adamant about using it?
Again, you have a substancial number of our people from 2 communities:
1)Immediate "MIXED" race people
2)Latin Americans of African origin
Do you think these people as a whole will EVER accept the term "black" as a description of themselves?
If we wanna reeeaaallllyy escape white people and their customs and language then we must start be developing or reclaiming a language OF OUR OWN...but until then...we should use the BEST DESCRIPTIVE words to title ourselves rather than the latest 'SLOGAN'.
Savage:
Is that "Wet-Dog"???
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Posted: Friday September 5th, 2003 08:07 |
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Kareem wrote:
Savage:
Is that "Wet-Dog"???
**Savage Om looks for the emoticon that expresses confusion**
You'll have to excuse me- it's late in the day, and my brain is only working in first gear. Would you mind explaining your statement?
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Posted: Friday September 5th, 2003 09:14 |
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@ Chique
Look at what you have said here "Jamaican and White English"
Do you know that there are Indians (some call them coolies), Chinese (if you ever hear one cuss in Jamaican slang you will think you are on another planet ha ha) etc born in Jamaica even whites. So they will still be Jamaican on paper because thats where they are born, but their race is different.
Many people here in Britian call themselves British but their race is African descent do you get what I am saying. Your race and country of birth/nationality are two different things, it is important no to confuse the two for the purpose of better clarification.
So if you mean by your statement a person of African descent born in Jamaica mixed with European white born in England then the child is mixed race and I would view them as mixed race. What level I associate myself with them will depend on how they conduct themselves i.e all my mixed race friends steer more to their African/Caribbean culture, better still have been raised solely in this part of their culture so we share common grounds.
For example I had (unfortunately) the pleasure of meeting the spice girls a few years back, in an informal setting. Soon as Mel B saw me she tried to avoid me (I was the only black person there) and when our paths did meet she tried to put on a Jamaican accent and spar with me it was so false. In the end she couldn't keep up this acting and in her natural state she is someone I would term as more to her white culture side of upbringing. Whereas Mel C (sporty spice )was lively and down to earth and I spent most of the evening talking to her. So like I said if a mixed raced person walked in the room I would see how they conduct themselves first. As for Mel B she proved herself to be the fool I always thought she was 
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Posted: Friday September 5th, 2003 09:32 |
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@All
You know I can't believe the way this topic has gone it seems that despite was the subject matter is within this forum it alway falls back on to a debate on colour & race or women v's men........Dillienger what was the name of this organisation...can you share this information.
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Posted: Friday September 5th, 2003 14:18 |
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@ Karim I continue with this debate in the hope that I would open your eyes a bit so maybe you can see things from another angle, because at this moment in time your postings sujest you are misinformed as to who and what 'Black' is and where the teminology came from and why. Let me try to help you here is some information you might find useful
THE NAME GAME
African, Black, N****r, Negro, Colored, Afro-American, African-American African-British, British-Blacks
A NOTE IN BLACK HISTORY
The group of people in the world distinguished as Blacks have had a long list of names. In fact we can learn important historical facts from the periods in which names like Colored, and Negro distinguished Black people.
However, before we look at the historical development of these names, is there an answer to the question Why? Why is it that Black people in America are the only people on earth that has somebody always changing their name? If White people are not calling Blacks something other than Black, Blacks are calling themselves some name other than Black.
Thus, in the midst of all this name confusion is the name game. The constant campaign by White People around the world to confuse Black people about their history and origins is a game. In fact Blacks get involved in this name game also. When White people name Blacks one thing Blacks have come along and named themselves something else.
It is for sure that Backs have the right and responsibility to be able to distinguish themselves. Nevertheless, why don't, Blacks settle for the obvious name (Black) and be done with it? White people have again tricked Black people to play their name game. Meanwhile, Blacks are constantly confused about their racial identity. Now for some sense and clarity to this name game let us again unfold another mystery of our past.
Africa is known as the land of the Blacks. We have documented this fact, thus, for all practical purposes' people from Africa that reside in other places around the world are Black people of African descent. Nevertheless, as you know the White man during the slave period wanted to confuse the Blacks from Africa. White people wanted to cut off Blacks from their industrious and glorious African heritage. Thus, they invented a new race of people and called them Negroes.
Thus, during this period slave and Negro was used to distinguish the people brought to America to work for White people. Also the names N****r, Negro and Negress were also used to distinguish the Blacks from Africa. Negra and Negress as old slave time names have become outdated, but N****r is still used as a demeaning and derogatory term to distinguish the Black man and woman.
The next period that revealed the White man continuing the name game was the period of Jim Crow. This period and the previous period also saw Blacks contributing to the name confusion. During slavery and during the Reconstruction period Blacks did not want to be called Black. White people had shrewdly tricked Black people to think that Black was negative and bad. So Blacks accepted the name Negro as respectable, and later during Jim Crow they accepted the name Colored.
So Blacks came to accept the names Negro and Colored until the Black Awareness Movement in the 1960's. For the record, Blacks did not give themselves any of these names, they all came from the White man.
Still, we did have some efforts from Black people to keep Blacks in focus about who we are. Marcus Garvey and the Honorable Elijah Muhammad both paid no attention to the White man's name game. The leadership of these great Black men sought to instill pride in the Black man and woman by recognizing us as Black people.
Meanwhile, most Blacks considered themselves Negroes, Colored, and N****rs until the Black Awareness period. During the height of the Black Awareness movement during the 1960's Black consciousness became a widely accepted attitude. Motivated by the so-called radical and militant Blacks and so-called Cultural Nationalist Black became beautiful. In fact the dark-skinned sister became accepted as the beautiful Black Queen and for many surely the most delightful and beautiful woman on earth.
There is more to this information which can found at:
Home Page: Freedom Journal
Email all questions and comments to Carl A. Patton: capzpsyche@aol.com
Copyright by Psyche Publishing 1999. Last updated March 22, 1999.
Kareem I hope you find this useful
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Posted: Friday September 5th, 2003 17:10 |
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Go minx its ya birthday!
Minx said:
"With our own history so messed up, I don't even wanna get my head round how a mixed race child would be feeling."
Bottom line Black on Black is Alright
If you wanna do other stuff thats your
perogative but lets face it, It cant stand up
against potential of black love.
It has been said
"(beauty is in the eyes blah blah blah)."
but in this day that should read
"beauty is in the eye of the MEDIA"
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Posted: Friday September 5th, 2003 18:36 |
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lol ok i knew i would be corrected but i was not sure exactly how to be politically correct with my descriptions of ppl. thankyou.
in response, yes i agree with you about observing to see how they are acting. what i also want to know is, from ppl who for example, want no association with white ppl, how they would feel about a person of African descent born in Jamaica mixed with European white born in England. (lol copy and paste!)
another question. is refering to a person as simply white or simply balck politically correct?
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Posted: Friday September 5th, 2003 21:01 |
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I'm not getting into all the colour issue, because Black ppl as a whole have been through plenty struggles as a ppl, not only here in England (which the young kids of today do not seem to realise that the first generation black ppl had p iss thrown over them, had to confront signs on boarding houses that said, no dogs, no cats, no blacks and all forms of racism to allow us to have it as easy as we do today), also the struggles that the black americans entailed, having to drink from a coloured only fountain which was mash up compared to the white only one or having to get their food at the back of the restaurant where all the garbage is kept, standing at the back of the bus. Now all these things only took place 40+ years ago.
My question is really for Dillinger did those people really tell you/imply that about blacks being obsolete basically in the next 4 years???? What kind of ignorant rubbish is that, oh my gosh, they say you just don't know what is going on out there. That is outrageous and scary too. I'm so amazed by this that i'm sitting here in shock that ppl can actually say something like that and be serious as well. Would they say that to any other minority group of ppl, because black ppl are not the only ppl that have kids outside of their race that live in england are we. I don't know.
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Posted: Friday September 5th, 2003 21:01 |
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@ Chique
another question. is refering to a person as simply white or simply balck politically correct?
In my personal opinion it is not the correct way (although through pure laziness I am guilty of using such terms) and some people find no fault with these terms. Infact there is a debate going on in another topic based on this very term of labelling someone.
I think the fault with these terms stands with someone's appearance may not fully reflect their race, such as I have witness "whites" calling someone as black who found this offensive as they are mixed raced and vice versa.
With "black" people that do not like this term it's because there is no race and nationality identity with this label. Someone calling themselves African American you can see they are off the African race born in America, African Caribbean etc etc. Check out the site Ligali.com and read their goals, you will see that one of them is to get the term African British widely accepted and recognised when refering to those of African descent born here. Also when I say African descent you do know that I do not just mean those who have parents born in Africa. Also there is no place/country on this earth called Black or white and there is no race called black or white.
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Posted: Friday September 5th, 2003 21:48 |
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LOL hesaid-- true.
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Posted: Friday September 5th, 2003 21:48 |
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Kareem
1.You are geting the stick again! You are a glutton for punishment !
Amongst your outrageous rubbish ...like YT..there are often elements of profound truths which make your posts worth reading...and it is these which really make the S**T hit the fan!
I do in fact tend to agree with much of your recent postings.
Such blanket concepts of "black" -or "white" -or Aryan-or Afrikan- tend to be so culturally sterile and contrived for selfish political, commercial and other vested power nterests and have no value in promoting in national unity or social justice. In my view your own description of Afro-American does at least tell little of what you might be...and leaves my own prejudices and conceptions to imagine the rest.
However to most of us in the rest of the world your dominant cultural description is "American"
2. No I am not Savage
@Savage
Have no nightmares. You are not me!!!! Respect to you
@Menzer
by calling my self Afro British is my acceptance to the British value system which to be quite honest is all about money and greed just like America.
That really is an extra-ordinary statement and suggests that your "black" culture also blinds you to the realities around you. Just one example -- just look at the millions of Brits who devote so much of their effort to voluntary unpaid services which improve our quality of life.
As far as making money is concerned, while still very imperfect, our own liberal capitalist system is probably the best wealth creation system devised so far. This was probably the system which your family admired and for which they chose to settle in the UK. This is your country and where you will probably chose to remain. Your people did not choose to settle in a Eastern European Peoples Democracy, an Islamic Republic or an African Socialist State.
It is also the country, unless, God forbid, it becomes severely racist, your descendants are likely to merge into the dominant race.. GET REAL MAN
WET DOG
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Posted: Saturday September 6th, 2003 02:22 |
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Wet Dog wrote:
I do in fact tend to agree with much of your recent postings. Such blanket concepts of "black" -or "white" -or Aryan-or Afrikan- tend to be so culturally sterile and contrived for selfish political, commercial and other vested power nterests and have no value in promoting in national unity or social justice. In my view your own description of Afro-American does at least tell little of what you might be...and leaves my own prejudices and conceptions to imagine the rest.
A question for either Kareem or Wet dog to answer, what does the term Afro-American actually mean..when contrasted to other comparatives terms such as Irish-American, Polish-American or even Italian-American.. I'd be interested on how or what is supposed to be an Afro-American and where he/she gets their culure, history, mores and values from?
Wet dog also said:
That really is an extra-ordinary statement and suggests that your "black" culture also blinds you to the realities around you. Just one example --
just look at the millions of Brits who devote so much of their effort to voluntary unpaid services which improve our quality of life. As far as making money is concerned, while still very imperfect, our own liberal capitalist system is probably the best wealth creation system devised so far.
This was probably the system which your family admired and for which they chose to settle in the UK. This is your country and where you will probably chose to remain. Your people did not choose to settle in a Eastern European Peoples Democracy, an Islamic Republic or an African Socialist State.
It is also the country, unless, God forbid, it becomes severely racist, your descendants are likely to merge into the dominant race.. GET REAL MAN.... WET DOG
Wet Dog: I have to say this, because only a European who is white and lives like a whiteman as you do, could come out with the above statement and not even realise the contradiction in his own thoughts. How you could even imagine that our culture, be it called 'black', 'African' or otherwise could blind us to something that is as much part of our lives as our skin colour is astounding.. But then when you are only affected by a European contrived Social stigma by association, I suppose it has a very different context, than if you actually have to live it day in day out from birth..
Further I would take issue with your assertion that this is a 'liberal' capitalist system.. However I would agree that capitalism is definately the BEST wealth creation system if your White living in middle England or the Burbs in American..unfortunately Wet dog..Da REALITY is if you live in one of the poor unfortunate countries you people like to call the 'Third world' they might just have a different view.. especially when they are forced to make our luxury goods, but little more than servant or prostitute themselves on starvation wages..
BTW our families were brain washed as I believe the current wave of Asylum seekers are, to think that these street are 'paved with gold'.. The REALITY is unfortunately that only a select few will ever get to benefit that GOLD. The others as OUR parent soon found out are destined to a life of the very jobs that European shun then and point blank refuse to do now.. The REALITY is that they do it and STILL have people like you in so called Middle England pissing all over them and their children all in the name of YOUR cultural unity...
The point here Wet dog..is that being associated with something is totally different to actually having to live from birth believe...
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A lil' something for y'all to digest... it would be interesting to know if when they say "black" they mean mixed race too? mmmmmmmmm?
40 per cent increase in black population since 1991
(Michael McCarthy, Environment Editor, The Independent, 4 September 2003)
The black population in England grew by 40 per cent in the decade to 2001 while the white population hardly grew at all, research showed yesterday.
The number of "white British" people is decreasing, and without immigration from Europe, North America and Australasia, the overall population of white people would also be in decline, researchers say.
Phil Rees, a professor of human geography at Leeds university, presented an analysis of ethnic change and diversity in England from 1981 to 2001, based on the results of the 2001 census, released this year.
"England's population is changing its ethnic composition with rapidity," he told the annual conference of the Royal Geographical Society/Institute of British Geographers.
While the white population grew by only 0.4 per cent between 1981 and 1991, and by 0.2 per cent from 1991 to 2001 (to 44.9 million), the black population, by contrast, grew rapidly, he said, by 30 per cent between 1981 and 1991, and by 40 per cent in 1991-2001 (to 1.28 million).
The greatest contribution to this came from the black African group, with a gain of 53 per cent in the first census period and 141 per cent in the second. "There is a strong immigration flow and very high fertility in this group," Professor Rees said. Growth in England's population of West Indian origin, on the other hand, slowed, going from 567,000 in 1981, 703,000 in 1991, and then to only 772,000 in 2001.
As for other ethnic minorities, the south Asian population doubled during 1981-2001. Growth in the Indian population, the largest ethnic minority, slowed from 38 per cent in 1981-1991 to 27 per cent in 1991-2001, due to lower net immigration, lower fertility and higher mortality because of ageing.
The Bangladeshi population grew rapidly due to high fertility, continued net immigration and a high proportion of young, fertile people within the group. But growth was falling - from 96 per cent in 1981-1991 to 76 per cent in the succeeding decade.
The Chinese population doubled in the 20-year period to 2001, with higher growth (51 per cent) in the second decade than in the first (41 per cent).
The total black and ethnic minority population went from 2.15 million in 1981 to 4.21 million in 2001, its share of the total population rising from 4.6 per cent to 8.6 per cent. The white share, by contrast, fell from 95.4 per cent in 1981 to 91.4 per cent in 2001.
Source: http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/story.jsp?story=440013
Minorities up 40%, census reveals
(Paul Brown at the Royal Geographical Society Conference: The Guardian, Thursday September 4, 2003)
The numbers of black and Asian people living in England have risen by more than 40% in 10 years while the white population has remained static, the 2001 census reveals.
The white population would have fallen sharply because of the low birth rate if not for a large influx from the EU, eastern Europe, Australia and north America.
The white share fell from 95.4% in 1981 to 91.4% in 2001 while other ethnic groups rose from 4.6% to 8.6%. Scotland and Wales are analysed separately.
Africans have recorded the sharpest increase, from 214,000 to 514,000 since 1991, a 240% rise. The number of black people as a whole has risen to 1,286,000, with 677,000 from the Caribbean.
Those classed as south Asian - Indian, P*kistani and Bangladeshi - are now 2 million-strong, half of them Indian.
The census also shows a big rise in Chinese people coming to England - up 150% in 10 years to 221,000. Many are students coming to learn but staying on to work.
In the 1991 census it was clear that immigrants were grouping on racial lines in the inner cities, but this census shows that with better education and jobs many are moving to the suburbs, country towns and villages, a reversal of the 1980s trends, although the overall numbers are still small.
Using census data from 1981 to 2001, Phil Rees from Leeds University, said ethnic minorities were growing at an average of 40% a decade, whereas the whole British-born white population has fallen.
Ethnic minorities were still concentrated in London, he said, with more than 50% living in the metropolitan area.
The white population's birth rate has dropped below the rate of replacement, with average births at 1.55 a woman.
Ethnic groups were still growing faster because their populations were much younger and of child-bearing age, while their families were still arriving to join earlier migrants.
The census also revealed an influx of white immigrants, with 235,900 from the old eastern bloc countries, and 660,000 from the 15 EU states. Some 200,000 came from North America and 155,000 from Australia and New Zealand.
"One of the interesting developments is the number of young and extremely bright young people coming here for an education and staying," Professor Rees said. "We really need these people.
"Imagine those from China, the top 0.1% of 1.4 billion people get to the top of education and the best of those come to Britain.
"They are the brightest of the brightest and if they stay on and work in Britain we are the beneficiaries."
The figures
England by ethnic group (figures for 1981/1991/ 2001, in 000s)
White: 44,682 / 44,848 / 44,925
Black: 707 / 917 / 1,286
The subcontinent: 1,031 / 1,487 / 2,102
Chinese (and other Asians): 414 / 626 / 825
Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,1035132,00.html
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Posted: Saturday September 6th, 2003 05:56 |
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Kareem wrote:
I'm just saying that as BLACK MEN in on this planet...we are among the most hated and despised beings for one reason or another and we are in NO POSITION to start restricting and limiting ourselves to "this" or "that" type of women. We better be trying to win as many on our side as possible while interracial relationships are STILL LEGAL in the West!
As black men we are in NO position to be turning down women of other races and restricting ourselves!
So who actually despises you Kareem as a black man on this planet, because it can't be women of other races otherwise they wouldn't get with you in the first place so please tell me how by dating other races takes this problem away.
Boy some men will fight tooth and nail to try and take away from the simple fact that they just simply like to date other races to them a women is just a women regardless of their race..........jeeze can that be so hard.
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Mafdet wrote:
So who actually despises you Kareem as a black man on this planet, because it can't be women of other races otherwise they wouldn't get with you in the first place so please tell me how by dating other races takes this problem away.
Boy some men will fight tooth and nail to try and take away from the simple fact that they just simply like to date other races to them a women is just a women regardless of their race..........jeeze can that be so hard.
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Posted: Sunday September 7th, 2003 03:53 |
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Hesaid it:
And I believe it!
He said....
Dead right about brothers saying they only
desire one type a woman. My mind says sisters
only but my Uuh UUh says Woman is woman.
I respect a brutha if he can hold down that desire
good discipline but largely men are very physical
and we know that..even today i see a White girl
wid a back like a ballon.(I had to annalyse for
a good few)As for settling down wit her..
which brings me to savage oms point
So why all this "deliver us not into temptation" talk bruthaz be talking about.
Why do bruthaz feel the need to hold up crosses  and tie garlic and sh*t around their necks when white women are around? 
Man, people give these broads too much credit and it goes to their heads or something.
What's wrong with having your chocolate cake and eating vanilla too? 
Minx:
Which would you rather have:
1)Strong, hard working intelligent Black men who love, honor, and protect their women and use white women for sex occasionally 
or
2) Black men who only love and respect you only in PUBLIC and can't protect you or take care of you financially--but he keeps his nose up in your  all day feeding you soup about how much he LOOOOVES their princesses and won't EVER leave?
Mafdet:
Again, I can only come from an American point of view that the only options we have are white and black.
The Arabs, Native Americans, Orientals, Indians...all these people either get with their own or white men but AVOID black men here in the States.
But the same men HIT ON BLACK WOMEN every chance they get!
I personally take that as a sign of disrespect even if the average negro doesn't have enough sense to notice it. 
But I ain't mad  , I just walk it off because it just speaks of the slave-mentality of not looking over the tip of his nose or past tommorow.
I have NO problem admitting that my hormones aren't geneticcaly modified to be attracted to only a certain race of women.
But how much do YOU think some of these "pro-black" clowns love black women and not white women the way they slob over Beyonce Knowles and Halle Berry?
Look at the logic of grabbing the LIGHTEST WHITEST "black" women they could find and kiss their picture all the while chanting
Black beauty
Black beauty
Black beauty
Again, I'll say that your bruthaz give white women ENTIRELY too much credit!
If their attraction to white women is so strong that they feel they'll stop loving black women or won't ever come back if they ever have one....then that's saying a LOT say the LEAST.
I don't know who disturbs me the most, lying bruthaz who don't really say what the believe...or the gullible sistaz  who believe them.
*******DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PROGRESSIVE MAN AND A NEGRO**************
Just like a PROGRESSIVE man plans a way for his food to be grown, cultivated, and delivered taking FULL AUTHORITY over it's control and production.
That way no one can use food as a WEAPON or bribe for him nor will he starve to death during hard times........
And just like a NEGRO eats and eats and eats from whoever is feeding him and doesn't worry or thing about food until his belly is empty and mouth is dry.
Then he has to go BEG for a morsel or 2 from the White man or Asian man or whoever his contemporary master is......
....well
A PROGRSSIVE man treats and honors his OWN WOMAN properly and makes this binding on ALL OTHER men in the community. He protects and provides for her in DEEDS AS WELL AS WORDS securing her love and pride in him.
So that his women love and respect him so MUCH...they wouldn't care if he tastes other flavors because they know where his love REALLY lays. blk
But a NEGRO screws and dogs and screws and dogs  all of his OWN women he can until he p*sses them off and the leave him for white or Asian men.
Then he starts looking out the window crying---
"Where my Queeeens at?" 
"How come yall don't come back hoooome?"
And only a negro is silly enough to believe that he can be powerless, moneyless, and at the bottom of the laughing barrel of the world....but can keep a good woman by calling her a "princess or queen".
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Kareem wrote:
And only a negro is silly enough to believe that he can be powerless, moneyless, and at the bottom of the laughing barrel of the world....but can keep a good woman by calling her a "princess or queen".
On this note, Kareem I guess it all depends on what you call a 'good' woman.. otherwise i would argue with you.. I think people respect and cherish hardwork commitment and ambition regardles of whether some has 'power', 'money' or a low status.. If the opposite is true how do you explain all these high profile, high monied and high status couples that still fail to make a relationship work..?
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@ Kareem
Listen here, unless I read your latest post wrong I don't believe that you have answered my question to you  so I will ask it again...........
.........So who actually despises you Kareem as a black man on this planet, because it can't be women of other races otherwise they wouldn't get with you in the first place so please tell me how by dating other races takes this problem away.
Is it because the latter part of when you wrote the following
Strong, hard working intelligent Black men who love, honor, and protect their women and use white women for sex occasionally
is the core of your reasoning, if so then off all the black women that come in different shades and shapes etc why and what is your need to go to white women for sex occasionally to cheat, disrespect and violate the trust in your relationship.
Or is it because you feel that all black men fall into the following which you also wrote....
Black men who only love and respect you only in PUBLIC and can't protect you or take care of you financially--but he keeps his nose up in your all day feeding you soup about how much he LOOOOVES their princesses and won't EVER leave?
Which or what is it Kareem? Because all your views on this matter seem to add up that you have a chip on your shoulder to other men of other races and you feel the best way to get back at them is to get with their women (even when your in a relationship with a black women that you love honour and protect eh). It really contradicts your previous post suggesting that you see nothing wrong with interracial dating as long as the WOMEN is doing it out of love and not to get back at black men......do you remember saying this?
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Posted: Sunday September 7th, 2003 09:05 |
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Kareem it sounds like you approach dating like a game of physical chess or checkers. Trying to gain as many as you can. Startegical dating?? What are you or who are you trying to meet???
As for the men are physical and in a sweet shop wanting to try everything blah blah bla we heard it alll before. and the plain and simple fact is that is an excuse for having your cake and eatting it as well as your pie,, trifle, cheesecake or icecream.
The truth is male or female you should have enough respect for yourself, current or future partners and to not always act at an animalistic level, but realise what you have and work with it or look for someone else -- letting the other half know first!!!
As for mixded relationships its down to the idividual. As long as both parties respect themselves and each other acknowledging culture and the racial diffrences espcially if there are chidren involved, its all good is'nt it???
Those ho want to relate exculsivly to those the same as them thats all good too it all about prference and perogatives
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P.s. Why does everything scroll sooooooooooooooooooo slowly on this ste or is it jus my computer??
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Posted: Sunday September 7th, 2003 10:19 |
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thanx for comments really interesting,,, for the first person who replied i didnt specifically mean black and white it can be any two races in the relationship. I am with a black girl and have been for over a year, obviously there has been people who have not agreed but we have come through this. Both families have no problem and I am happy it has worked out.
I feel that its not about strategy or anything like that but just your own personal preferance, as interracial relationships are not as common place or widely accepted as i would like it to be then i always feel happy when i see an interracial couple.
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Posted: Sunday September 7th, 2003 21:34 |
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Super K:
On this note, Kareem I guess it all depends on what you call a 'good' woman.. otherwise i would argue with you.. I think people respect and cherish hardwork commitment and ambition regardles of whether some has 'power', 'money' or a low status.. If the opposite is true how do you explain all these high profile, high monied and high status couples that still fail to make a relationship work..?
My idea of a good woman is quite simple.....
A FEMININE acting female who keeps her body clean, is intelligent, inshape, eats correctly, watches her mouth and manners, and knows how to talk to and treat her man.
That's my idea of a good woman.
Not some "hood-rat" that hangs out and drinks all night, 5 different chidren by "7" diffent fathers (figure that one out), has a drug problem and doesn't know how to respect herself let alone a man.
That's not a good woman, in MY opinion.
Now, I don't know about YOUR neck of the woods but increasingly in this country...it seems as if GOOD black women usually have 2 major choices...
1)A black THUG who acts a fool, stays in and out of jail, and can't hold a job.
2)A white or Asian man with a good job and family structure to support her.
Again, this isn't the TOTAL picture (Mafdet) but the dating\marriage pool for black women in the States is looking more and more like that everyday because of how the enviroment is being manipulated.
And I'm saying a GOOD black woman, if given a choice will USUALLY choose a man with environmental and financial security rather than a street thug.
Wouldn't you agree?
Spindarella:
What's da matter mommi?
Why you tryna throw shade up in my parade and spin around my words?
You KNOW your brother Kareem is much to  for even YOU to do that to him!
So who actually despises you Kareem as a black man on this planet, because it can't be women of other races otherwise they wouldn't get with you in the first place so please tell me how by dating other races takes this problem away
First of all...
Your American big brutha Kareem ain't the ONLY black man on the planet. It's not about ME personally because I don't represent ALL black men, but I can SPEAK for all black men in saying that they are more hated and despised by the world IN GENERAL than any other group of men on this planet.
How many men do you know have the constant criminal and agressive sexual stereotypes that black men were branded with.
How many other men do you know were called "children of Cain" like black men (people).
Who in America is avoided and feared on the street more than a black man?
Who is dissed in public on television, dissed in the movies, dissed in music videos, dissed in Romance novels like black men.
You can point out some example of this in ALL races of men but none like black men.
Now although a lot of black people HELP in promoting this negative portryal but WHITE MEN are at the core of the problem because they're promoting the program.
I've talked to dozens of East Indian, Arab, and P*kistani women and any of them that get to know me for a period of time and can open up STRAIGHT UP TELL ME how their fathers and brothers talk about blackmen and warn them not to come near us or THREATEN them not to come near us from fear of disownership and isolation from the community.
Like I said, I've never been to Europe so I don't know how things are there but there's around 20 million bruthaz here that can BEAR WITNESS that our reputation around the globe ain't too peachy.
So I can say with comfort, that black men ARE the most hated, demonized, and despised of any in the world.
...that ain't a cigarette in my mouth.
Is it because the latter part of when you wrote the following
Strong, hard working intelligent Black men who love, honor, and protect their women and use white women for sex occasionally
is the core of your reasoning, if so then off all the black women that come in different shades and shapes etc why and what is your need to go to white women for sex occasionally to cheat, disrespect and violate the trust in your relationship.
Or is it because you feel that all black men fall into the following which you also wrote....
Black men who only love and respect you only in PUBLIC and can't protect you or take care of you financially--but he keeps his nose up in your all day feeding you soup about how much he LOOOOVES their princesses and won't EVER leave?
What HELL does black women come in different shapes and shades have to do with cheating, disrespect, and violating trust with white women?
Follow me Maf, follow me closely and don't take the cat (or me) by the tail and run off..........
I GAVE MINX A HYPOTHETICAL CHOICE!
Had nothing to do with ALL black men fitting the description of the aboves...it was about WHERE WOULD HER VALUES LIE AND WHAT WOULD SHE RATHER HAVE.
Also, notice I didn't say MAN..I said MEN so how can you assume anyone would be cheating and violating trust?
I'm trying to see WHAT is more important to her..and you...as women...
Which type of black men would you rather have.....
Some PUPPIES sniffing and kissing your a*sses all day not really doing anything for yall besides dragging you down---but they don't mess with "white womenz".
or
GOOD DECENT men who take care of business, their families (those with families), and are running things in the world--but some of them screw white, oriental, and Indian women.
Which group would you prefer your men to be?
It doesn't sound like a hard question to me.....
Which or what is it Kareem? Because all your views on this matter seem to add up that you have a chip on your shoulder to other men of other races and you feel the best way to get | | | |
